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Thanks for your help & advice, Dr. Stoll. I'm a little discouraged that I thought I would be doing everything right, just to find out that I didn't read enough about the Krebs cycle & salt. I do have Beth's book, will do the best I have with the ingredients I have on hand & make another list for husband to pick up when he goes to Whole Foods next week.
I'll probably have to take off another two weeks to do all this perfectly again sometime soon. Maybe over Christmas. I am learning & trying. I'm not discouraged enough to give up, I am sure all this will help all of us get healthier & I need to concentrate on the positives, instead of getting mired down in all my mistakes & shortcomings. (But it isn't easy. So, I'll pull myself up by my bootstraps.) I do have two copies of Beth's book, one for each location & I'll start trying to memorize it better. (Not the recipes, the other stuff). Your book is great, too. Thanks again. (But the stuff I've made does have salt) Why do they put sugar & wheat in everything?
Straw
In Reply to: Diet & Misc. posted by Straw on November 21, 1999 at 12:30:33:
Straw.
Sugar and wheat are cheaper than most anything they are added to.
For example: when you buy a ham that has sugar added, it is NOT because they are trying to make the ham taste sweet. It is because they can sell you an ounce of sugar at a ham price. The same thing for every can of stuff you see that has sugar added.
So long as people are ignorant of what is going on, they will continue to be victimzed. It is time for an educated and aroused public to fight back.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Diet & Misc. (Sugar at a ham price!) posted by Walt Stoll on November 22, 1999 at 09:44:55:
Dr. Stoll, thank you for your knowledge & for all the time you have devoted to making people well. Can you list (maybe it is) your address on the front page (not in archives) where people like me who have been helped could make a donation?
Right now, I don't have time to fight back as a citizen, I'm too busy trying to figure out labels, recipes, & what the heck I am doing. I've decided that it should be required that everyone learn how to cook this way in high school and college. It is pretty complicated and the food industry doesn't make it any easier. When you decided you had to be 100% perfect, how did you accomplish that? Were you the only one you had to care for/cook for at home, so you didn't have to listen to, "I hate potato soup!" and other comments. After I get my family through this transition & I figure out how to do it myself (I'm learning from my mistakes) & our family is eating as healthy as I can figure out how to, then, I'll try to fight back, write congress, whatever. Right now I have my hands full cleaning & cooking & trying to pinpoint cause/effect.
I believe you about the sugar at ham's price. It's like someone is trying to make us addicted to the stuff. We are a nation of sugar junkies & part of that is because it is really hard to buy foods without it in there. We would have been better off learning how to grow our own veggies & learning how to can foods. However, it was technology that helped me find this board & all your help. I did a search on flagyl (or something like that the doctor prescribed) & I was directed to your site. So, instead of my child getting thousands of dollars of treatment & tests, etc. I'm now learning about what caused all this mess in the first place. Some of us, with stronger immunities & more advantages in life got along okay without the good food. Others, like my son, whose birthmother probably didn't take care of herself well, were not so lucky & the problems manifested much sooner. You've probably added years (& quality) to all of our lives, simply because a doctor I didn't fully trust prescribed flagyl & I didn't have a clue as to what that would do & should I really do it.
You were right in one of your recent comments. The people who have gone to doctor after doctor & started thinking with their own brain are the ones that will come to the internet & try to find answers on their own. Somebody said to me, "You are going to listen to a doctor whose license was revoked?" I said, "Yes. That IS the reason I'm going to listen to him. He has nothing to lose if I get better."
Straw
In Reply to: (Sugar at a ham price!) posted by Straw on November 22, 1999 at 11:21:28:
Straw:
You have several quotable quotes in your reply. Thanks!
"You've probably added years (& quality) to all of our lives..."
I'm with you about taking care of yourself first, then your family, then perhaps the rest of the world.
About cooking. You may want to do perfect cooking for just your son first, then branch out to yourself and the rest of the family - especially if you are meeting resistance from other family members than just your son.
On the other hand, converting the whole family at once may well be the way for you to go. When I was on the E-Diet, my wife ate several meals a day with me, eating my food (good for her, but it sure made me need to cook again soon!). She reported that just those few meals (with other meals she ate elsewhere/differently) definitely made her feel better.
The trouble as I see it is that a person just about has to abandon prepared foods and meals out, at least for 6 months to a year. When I finished food testing in the E-diet, I tried to shift to Whole Foods Hunter-Gatherer eating using available foods without cooking from scratch all day and all night. I personally found it did not work for me that way. All prepared foods seemed to set off uncontrollable cravings. Since I live in the "real world" and have not been willing to devote my life to cooking, I've regained the pounds I lost so fast/easy on the E-diet and am struggling with food cravings again. I'm in a definite Hurt! but have no workable plan just now to get out of it. Guess I neither feel Good enough or Bad enough to go back to living in the kitchen.
Enough from me for now. So glad you are getting a handle on things!
RHJ++
In Reply to: (Sugar at a ham price!) posted by Straw on November 22, 1999 at 11:21:28:
Straw,
Great post! You are really going all out for your family and yourself! Way to go!! My only advice would be to start relatively slowly to wean them off the 'bad' foods and don't 'demand' - it's the quickest way to activate someone's defense mechanisms ("I'm not going to eat that - you can't make me!"). Also, eat by example whenever possible. If you're not eating what they are eating, make yours look so good that they want to try it (course, then you have to make it TASTE good enough that they want to continue to eat it........there's always a condition....:o)). Jane Brody's "Good Food Book" is a pretty good resource. Her recipes have wheat and sugar in them, but you can adapt them - that's what I do. That would be on your way towards the Whole Foods Diet, anyway. Good luck and congratulations. (Reading labels and cooking healthy, etc. DOES get easier with repetition, even though it's a pain at first!) Like you said, thank goodness for Dr. Stoll's advice and help!!
Eileen :o)
In Reply to: Re: He has Nothing to lose if I get better! :-) posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on November 22, 1999 at 12:17:00:
Thanks for the suggestions and encouragement. You should have seen the kitchen the other night. You would not think I had a handle on things. I filled up the dishwasher completely with dirty dishes & things, & had two to three more sinkfuls that I had to wash by hand! I feel like my grandmother probably used to feel like (without a microwave & dishwasher!) But, I made a triple batch of soup & some other things. I have to get better at planning & organizing. I quit a job to take care of my son when we got him (& he was rather active). I could not have done all this until now, probably. NOW I WORK!!! I'm pretty capable at most things, except cooking has been at the bottom of my list. It just took too much time for the rewards or gratification. However, God has a way of showing us what we need to do, not what we want to do! I'm thankful I at least have a road map now to follow because navigating around at the health food store isn't easy, either. If man hadn't screwed up, we'd still be in the Garden of Eden & I would have been able to just pick & eat! (and no clothes to have to wash!)
Thanks so much. As always, I appreciate all your helpful suggestions & advice. I need it.
Straw
In Reply to: Re: He has Nothing to lose if I get better! :-) posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on November 22, 1999 at 12:17:00:
RHJ++,
Have you seen the book "RAW, The Uncook Book" by Juliano? Beautiful pictures - haven't tried the food yet, but what he says is interesting. From the Introduction:
"More important, scientists have proven that when you subject any living thing to heat much greater than 120 degrees, its nourishing enzymes die, which means the majority of its essential nutrients are dead, or greatly diminished, when you eat them."
He even makes bread in a heat-controlled dehydrator!
Anyway, something to look at! :o) (By the way, he's a vegetarian, which doesn't work for me, but I can still use a lot of his 'veggie' ideas in my diet.)
Eileen :o)
In Reply to: Re: He has Nothing to lose if I get better! :-) posted by Eileen on November 22, 1999 at 12:35:34:
Thanks, Eileen.
Even Jesus said that no food should be heated above the temperature of a hot rock in the noonday sun. Unleavened bread was prepared that way. See the Essene Gospels about nutrition.
There are now many scientific facts known about why that is. Cis and trans molecular configurations are only one of these (We all have now heard of trans fats.) How did He know????
When I did this for me, I learned the critical importance of spices! The naturally enhanced flavors of whole foods are MANY times as delicious as the stuff we have been sold by the "system". ASK ANYONE WHO HAS DONE IT!
Walt
In Reply to: Getting a handle on things to RHJ++ posted by Straw on November 22, 1999 at 12:30:57:
Thanks, Straw.
You bring back old memories of MY struggle to do this for myself. "THIS, TOO, SHALL PASS!"
By the way, we STILL live in the "Garden of Eden". It is just that we persist in turning our backs on it for the false promises of the Pharasees.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: (Sugar at a ham price!) posted by Straw on November 22, 1999 at 11:21:28:
Thanks, Straw.
I was living alone when I did this for me. Makes it a LOT easier. RHJ said it for you, I think. If it were not for your child having the worst problem--and thus in the forefront of the family member needing this the most--MY advice would be to do it for you first, separately from the family. Unfortunately, any member of the family who will not go along will serve as a model for resistance in the child.
What I did was do it like a laboratory experiment--since I was trying to PROVE the foreign (to MY training) concept wrong.
SO, for a few weeks, I lived on steamed brown rice smothered with chopped, mixed, frozen vegies and seasoned with herbs (sage, parsley, tiny amounts of cayenne pepper (which just sets up the taste buds), basil, garlic powder and mineral salt to taste. The herbs are best put on top of the vegies while they are being steamed for the 10 minutes recommended so the flavors permeate them.
By the end of the few weeks, a whole new world had opened up for me and I ended up eating that way for a couple of years.
Later, I learned that I could have used small, red potatoes (including the peelings) without hurting the experiment and still providing more variety.
Spices are the secret to making whole foods very tasty until the taste buds stop being numb from the shenadigans of the food processing companies.
Hope this helps.
Walt
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