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I have searched the archives to try to find the difference between the metabolic diet and the er4yt diet. Someone asked robert how to determine one's metabolic type and was told to reference a previous recent post to someone else. Try as I may, I could not find that post due to the incredibly confusing and user unfriendly archive system and search engines (to me anyway). Can someone help me, even if it's just posting a link to a page that will clear this up for me? Thank you all so much. This is a really wonderful discussion group, even if it is proving difficult for me to navigate and translate your very, very specific jargons.
Chet.
In Reply to: Can somebody please help me sort out the diets? posted by chet on December 05, 1999 at 17:57:08:
You are right, Chet!
It IS difficult and our not being able to afford a really good search engine makes it even more difficult. It is possible that the one RHJ found for us will eventually resolve that problem. In the meantime, using the services of Robert McFerran and going to the diet archives and glossary will help.
Walt
In Reply to: Can somebody please help me sort out the diets? posted by chet on December 05, 1999 at 17:57:08:
Chet,
Here is the chapter on metabolism. I hope that it answers some of your questions. Ultimately the best way to determine your metabolic identity is to try all three diets. You'll find that one delivers MUCH more energy than the others.
BobCHAPTER IV - THE METABOLIC DIET
At the time of conception we receive genetic programming that decides external features such as the color of eyes, hair and skin. At the same moment less obvious internal features are also set. Prominent among these is the biochemistry required to metabolize and convert food to energy.
Striking is the fact that while we all have similar biochemical pathways in place for metabolizing foods there is considerable variance from individual to individual in which pathways are most heavily used. During the last 100,000 years skin colors changed as humans migrated to different parts of the planet. Variations in skin color were an adaptive response to new climates. Similar adaptive changes took place in the pathways responsible for metabolizing food. Internal metabolic biochemistry would adjust to take advantage of new food sources. These adaptive changes occurred very slowly, each requiring several thousand years to take place.
Anthropologists armed with new genetic tools have recently traced our beginnings back to a single individual who lived in Central Africa some 4 ½ million years ago. Anthropologists have dubbed this individual ‘Ancestral Eve’. She was the genetic point of origin for the entire human race. Her genetic information has been passed down (in some form) to each and every one of us. Ancestral Eve possessed the metabolic pathways capable of converting carbohydrate, protein or fat into energy. This added flexibility in what primitive humans could utilize as a food source gave them a distinct advantage in competing with other animals for survival. Fortunately we have retained this same metabolic ability to this day.
Ancestral Eve was a ‘Hunter-gatherer’ whose primary food source happened to be the flesh of other animals. As a result she possessed a metabolism that was generally optimized for converting relatively large quantities of fat and protein and smaller amounts of carbohydrate (derived from plant sources) into energy.
Ancestral Eve’s descendants continued to consume a Hunter-gatherer diet until the beginnings of agriculture emerged. This major dietary shift began some 25,000 years ago in what is now the Middle East. The environment in that geography was much different from the arid conditions that we find today. Fertile soil and a temperate climate contributed to the growth of a number wild grains. The inhabitants of the region learned to cultivate these grains and other agricultural products. As game became sparse these agricultural products would supplant meat as the mainstay of their diet. It would take some 15,000 years to complete their conversion to a rather cereal intensive ‘agriculturist’ diet. Along the way their metabolic biochemistry would slowly adapt to one optimized for carbohydrate rather than the fat and protein of their predecessors.
Human metabolic biochemistry would face another challenge some 5,000 years ago as individuals well adapted to the agriculturist diet began to migrate into various parts of Europe. These northern geographies were significantly cooler and had shorter growing seasons. Confronted with lower agricultural production these individuals became more reliant on animal husbandry. Herds of domesticated animals not only provided a more consistent source of meat but a source of new food like milk and cheese. This transition marked the emergence of a somewhat ‘Mixed’ third metabolic subset. The important point here is that are all three of these metabolic types are present today -- and your physiology has been pre-programmed since birth to operate at it’s best using one of them.
Tangible examples of these three major dietary and metabolic subsets are not relics of some prehistoric past. Dr. Weston Price found groups of people representing each of the three metabolic subsets thriving in pristine health as late as the turn of the century. Isolated from civilization they were eating essentially the same diets consumed by their ancestors thousands of years ago. All of these isolated peoples had exceptional health that rapidly deteriorated as new, ‘civilized’ foods were introduced into their diets. In each instance small alterations in diet precipitated huge declines in health.
Dr. Weston Price described the hunter-gatherer diet of the Scottish inhabitants of the Outer Hebrides (circa 1900). This group was secluded from civilization by the unnavigable seas lining its coast. The combination of cold weather and poor soil made an agricultural subsistence impossible. Instead these people thrived on an animal based diet. Crab and fish from the sea as well as meat from domesticated sheep were the dietary staples. Some plants, primarily root vegetables, were cultivated but little if any grains were available. The local soil was too high in lime content to sustain its growth.
Hunter-gatherer foods would be most commonly found in cold or arid environments. This diet was relatively high in fat and especially high in purines from organ meats and other sweetbreads. There was good reason for labeling organ meats as sweetbreads. They were the most prized part of the animal. They required minimal butchering and were the first thing eaten after slaughter.
Organ meats also provided Hunter-gatherers with a critical nutrient lacking in muscle meats – vitamin C. The experience of officers during early British military expeditions to the South Pole highlighted this difference. Officers would start showing signs of scurvy within three to six months after their arrival while the enlisted men seemed to be immune. The problem stemmed from the fact that the officers were fed the best cuts of steak meats. The enlisted men were fed muscle as well as organ meats. Rank does have its privileges. In this case the British officers had the privilege of becoming vitamin C deficient.
Animals provided Hunter-gatherers with their major source of nutrition. Conversely carbohydrate consumption was limited. Scanty amounts of fresh fruit or vegetables were available during long winters or drought-like desert summers. Consider the fact that many of these Hunter-gatherers never saw a single piece of fruit. Adaptation under these dietary circumstances programmed their physiology so that a relatively small amount of carbohydrate would strongly signal their pancreas to produce insulin. Too much carbohydrate intake would result in an over-stimulating an and subsequent overproduction of pancreatic insulin (hyper-insulinism). This over-release would then create a precipitous drop in blood sugar commonly known as hypoglycemia.
American Indians of the western plains represented a classic group of Hunter-gatherers. Their existence was somewhat nomadic, following the annual migrations of buffalo and other game. American Indians living in the Pacific Northwest relied heavily on seal and salmon. Tubers and other root vegetables served as their major source of carbohydrate. Once again cereals and other grains were rarely used.
Australian Aborigines provide an excellent example of contemporary Hunter-gatherers, in this case, living in a much different climate. Separated from civilization by an unforgiving desert environment Aborigines were completely unaware of the concept of agriculture until late in the 1800’s. They relied heavily on animals for their nutritional needs and supplemented their diet with sparse vegetation found in their arid habitat.
Several examples of an agriculturist diet can be found today in Middle and Far Eastern cultures. These Agriculturists continue to use fruits, grains and vegetables as their primary source of nutrition. Their plant intensive diet is only intermittently supplemented with small amounts of fish and meat.
The agriculturist diet in many ways represents the antithesis of the hunter-gatherer diet. The agriculturist and hunter-gatherer diet lie at opposite ends of the metabolic spectrum. Agriculturist foods tend to be found in temperate climates where vegetation is abundant year round. The combination of moderate temperatures and fertile soil was amenable to the cultivation of plants. The gradual move to agriculture in these areas led to the intensive use of cereal grains and other carbohydrate rich foods. Animal food were eaten less frequently and in smaller quantities. This led to much smaller consumption of purine and fat. Salt intake was also reduced. Salting was a requirement for preserving Hunter-gatherers primary food – meat. usually divided after a catch and distributed in much smaller quantities among the group. Purine and fat content was very low. Salt was used sparingly. Large amounts of carbohydrate were needed to spur insulin production. Too much purine and fat would squelch insulin production resulting in a diabetic curve.
Dr. Price also found excellent examples of a mixed diet. He observed groups of people that cultivated and were well adapted to some types of grains yet relied primarily on the products of animal husbandry as their major food source. One such group was isolated high in the Lowenthal Valley of the Swiss Alps. The climate in this area was decidedly cooler yet with very fertile soil. Price describes their successful cultivation of oats and barley used for breads and cereals along with their large consumption of milk and cheese. Herded animals (primarily cattle) would be slaughtered and divided on a weekly basis among the families in the community. This served as their primary source of meat.
It should be noted that foods in the Mixed diet are not located at in the middle of the metabolic spectrum. Rather they are skewed toward the ‘heavy’ diet consumed by the hunter-gatherer metabolism. The Mixed metabolism requires moderate intake of purines and fat with a good dose of carbohydrate.
So how can you tell what metabolism that you have inherited? The best way is to test all three of the different metabolic diets. The diet to which you are metabolically best adapted will give you the most energy.
Dr. Wiley found that approximately 75% of men and 50% of women in America possess an Agriculturist metabolism. More precisely 50% of women will have an Agriculturist metabolism at least during some part of their menstrual cycle. The metabolic nuances of metabolism in women will be discussed later in greater detail.
In many instances a 5 hour glucose tolerance test will reveal your metabolic identity. The test consists of a period of fasting (usually overnight) and then testing for a blood sugar level (or fasting blood sugar level) in the morning. The patient then drinks a sweet, glucose laden, ‘test meal’. Glucose readings are then checked at 30 minutes, 1 hour, 1 ½ hours, 2 hours, 3 hours, 4 hours and finally 5 hours after consumption of the test meal.
A sharp rise in glucose levels followed by an abrupt drop indicates hyper-insulinism (better known as hypo-gylcemia). All individuals with this type of blood glucose curve posses a Hunter-gatherer metabolism. Many physicians will suggest that this type of blood sugar curve is abnormal and that the patient has some sort of carbohydrate intolerance. Nothing could be further from the truth. What the 5 hour glucose tolerance reveals is a metabolic identity.
(INSERT NORMAL AND HYPOGLYCEMIC CURVE)
The Hunter-gatherer that is eating a diet mismatched to their inherited metabolism will experience wild ups and downs in their blood sugar levels. This sort of roller coaster ride exerts a tremendous stress on our physiology. The dramatic drop in blood sugar levels creates hunger, fatigue, loss of strength and mental fog or confusion. Many patients will complain of feeling cold (even when it’s warm) and experience urinary immediacy. In the most severe cases blood sugar can drop to dangerously low levels leading to unconsciousness. Left unattended this condition can lead to a variety of chronic illnesses, including arthritis.
The usual prescription for individuals possessing a hypoglycemic blood sugar curve has been to eat several (5-8) small meals throughout the day. Doctors suggested that these meals consist primarily of foods high in complex carbohydrates. Sugar of any kind should be avoided. The hope was that by eating meals every 2 hours or so that the blood sugar levels of the individual could be buoyed throughout the day. Recently physicians have found that relatively high protein and low complex carbohydrate diets provide more stability to the hypoglycemics blood sugar levels.
Other individuals will show an elevated fasting blood sugar that rises well above normal levels after eating. These higher levels tends to stay elevated over time. This is called a hyper-glycemic or diabetic blood sugar curve. Normally, blood sugar levels begin to drop as the pancreas releases insulin in response to carbohydrate consumption. Physicians believe that this is caused by damage to the insulin producing cells of the pancreas. This is not always the case. Elimination of individual food allergens and the proper metabolic diet will significantly reduce or eliminate the need for supplemental insulin.
95% of all type II diabetics in America will possess an extreme Agriculturist metabolism. The remaining 5% were previously hypoglycemic (and therefore had inherited a Hunter-gather metabolism). The long term stress of repeated hypoglycemic swings can ultimately results in pancreatic exhaustion and a diabetic blood sugar curve.
I can’t emphasize enough that these dispositions toward a hypoglycemic or diabetic blood curve are more indicative of metabolic identity rather than abnormal carbohydrate metabolism. If diet is more properly matched to the inherited metabolic predisposition of the individual and major food allergens removed, the prominent hypoglycemic and hyperglycemic swings will not be seen. Of course if diet continues to be mismatched to inherited metabolism a disease process will ultimately ensue.
Other common blood work values can reveal a bit of a metabolic ‘fingerprint’ as to what type of metabolism that you’ve inherited. Cholesterol values give a broad indication of metabolic predisposition. In general Agriculturists tend to have higher total cholesterol and lower HDL cholesterol values than their Hunter-gatherer counterparts.
There is a bit of a paradox with cholesterol values in those that have inherited a Mixed or Hunter-gatherer metabolism. Most individuals with this type of metabolism have a low (less than 165 mg./dl) total cholesterol. Their ratio of total cholesterol/HDL cholesterol is also relatively low. HDL is sometimes referred to as ‘good’ cholesterol. Physicians now know that high levels of HDL (greater than 50 mg/dl) implies a lower risk of coronary disease. A low cholesterol/HDL ratio is much more indicative of risk factor for coronary disease than simple total cholesterol levels.
Some individuals with a Mixed or Hunter-gatherer metabolism will have very high cholesterol levels with relatively low levels of HDL cholesterol. These individuals are often eating a diet that is very low in fat and cholesterol. So where is the cholesterol coming from?
The liver pumps out cholesterol (more than you could ever eat) as a response to stress. If you have inherited a Mixed or Hunter-gatherer metabolism and you are eating a low fat, low cholesterol diet you are placing a huge amount of stress on your physiology. The result is high levels of cholesterol in your bloodstream. Once you begin eating the higher fat, higher cholesterol diet appropriate for your inherited metabolic type your cholesterol values will normalize. In other words those with too low cholesterol will see a rise while those with high levels will see a reduction. Good HDL cholesterol will increase for both. Coronary risk will improve.
Uric acid levels also give some indication of metabolic type. Hunter-gatherers tend to have low uric acid levels where their Agriculturist counterparts test relatively high. Physicians routinely see elevated uric acid levels in gout patients. Crystals of uric acid form if uric acid levels rise too high. These crystals tend to deposit themselves in the large joint of the big toe. Once there they produce inflammation and pain.
Before the advent of modern drugs the only way to treat gout was with a low purine diet. Purines are a type of protein found in a variety of vegetables and meats. Dark colored fish and meat (especially organ meats like liver) are dense in this specific type of protein. Since purines are converted into uric acid, patients with gout are frequently prescribed a diet that excludes these purine rich foods.
Those that have inherited a Mixed or Hunter-gatherer metabolism will show relatively low uric acid values. These types of metabolism actually use purines as a required intermediate in the production of energy. Mixed and Hunter-gatherer metabolisms ‘burn’ the great majority of purines that they consume and excrete the rest as uric acid. Agriculturists are metabolically built so that they can only utilize very small amounts of purines. They must excrete the rest in the form of uric acid.
Your personal reaction to caffeine is another indication of inherited metabolic type. Consider what would happen if you sat down in the mid-morning and had several cups of caffeinated coffee (or other caffeinated beverage) without eating any food. Agriculturists would find that the caffeine energized them and they felt quite well. To EXTREME Agriculturists caffeine is like a magical elixir. Its impact is such that they wonder why everyone doesn’t drink it. Hunter-gatherers and individuals with a Mixed metabolism have a different reaction. Two to three cups of caffeinated coffee without food usually leaves them feeling nervous, anxious or jittery.
Caffeine signals the liver to release glycogen which is immediately converted into glucose in the bloodstream. The pancreas then releases insulin so that the glucose in the bloodstream can be utilized by muscles and the brain.
This chain of events assists the Agriculturist metabolism. As you might recall from above the blood sugar levels of the Agriculturist tend to stay elevated. The net effect from consuming a caffeinated drink is the release of a bit more insulin. This extra insulin helps to lower the elevated blood sugar levels making the energy in it available to the brain and muscles.
Hunter-gatherers and Mixed individuals will also find that caffeine gives them a lift. Unfortunately it will be short lived. The release of glycogen from the liver and the subsequent conversion into glucose creates a temporary rise in blood sugar. The pancreas responds by releasing an overly large amount of insulin. This creates the worst possible scenario for these metabolic types with already hypoglycemic (hyper-insulin) tendencies. As their blood sugar levels drop very low they feel hungry, fatigued or jittery.
Of course I routinely see folks that have inherited a Mixed or Hunter-gatherer metabolism that consume caffeinated drinks. The difference here is that they usually drink them shortly before, during or shortly after eating. They simply cannot tolerate several cups without food as can their Agriculturist counterparts.
Your eating patterns also give an indication of inherited metabolism. Agriculturists can have a small breakfast and then go without any food until late in the afternoon. Of course they may have several cups of coffee or other caffeinated drinks to help sustain them along the way. In many cases Agriculturists report feeling better with the less they eat.
Hunter-gatherers on the other hand will usually find themselves hungry and in need of food within 2-3 hours after eating breakfast. They might also find themselves in the same situation within 3 hours after lunch and then again just before bedtime. If Hunter-gatherers don’t eat breakfast they may find that they can go without food well into the morning hours. If they forgo eating breakfast no insulin is released and blood sugar levels will remain relatively stable.
Many folks will get their clearest indication of inherited metabolism during the Elimination Diet phase. Agriculturists find that they feel completely satisfied only eating vegetables and a bit of fruit for breakfast and lunch. Dinner is the only meal where they might feel they need the addition of fish.
Hunter-gatherers on the other hand will feel almost immediately hungry if they don’t eat some fish with every meal. They might also find that they need to eat 4-5 meals consisting of the fish, vegetables and a little fruit to sustain them throughout the day. The reason for this phenomenon is that Hunter-gatherers require the purines and fat found in the fish to deliver the energy that they need.
Blood pressure is also a general indicator of inherited metabolism. Many Agriculturists that are eating a diet mismatched to their metabolism will tend to have higher blood pressure values and may actually display chronic hyper-tension. At the same time many Hunter-gatherers will exhibit lower than average blood pressures or hypo-tension. Salt consumption does play a role in all of this. We have seen studies suggesting salt is very bad for us. The more recent wave of research suggests that maybe salt isn’t as bad as we thought. Then there are specific studies on folks with chronic fatigue syndrome showing that a high percentage of them get some symptom relief after being put on a high salt diet.
All this conflicting research must no doubt seem like gobbledygook to doctors and their patients. In subsequent chapters you will find that too much salt is indeed bad for hypertensive Agriculturist metabolisms. However their hypotensive Hunter-gatherer counterparts are well adapted to salt and actually require more of it in their diet to feel their best.
(insert chart with variables for each metabolic type)
The three different metabolic diets will be introduced in the next chapters. Foods are grouped into three general categories.
CORE FOODS will be your best foods. Time has made us well adapted to these foods. They have proven themselves to have a low allergenic potential and can be eaten several times a week. They should serve as the bulk (greater than 70%) of your nutritional needs. These should be the first foods you test upon completion of the Elimination Diet phase.
SUPPLEMENTAL FOODS are important since they give nutritional variety to your diet. While these foods tend to work well with your inherited metabolism they also have a higher potential for developing food allergies. Therefore these foods should be regularly enjoyed but not overeaten. You will probably find your best balance if you eat them no more than once a week. These foods should be closely checked for negative reactions after testing your core foods.
AVOID FOODS are those that are metabolically inappropriate for your physiology. While they should generally be avoided they can often be tolerated in small quantities when eaten in conjunction with your Core/Supplemental foods. AVOID FOODS also tend to be best tolerated when eaten with your evening meal. This group of foods are the last that should be tested following the elimination diet as many will generate symptoms.
ELIMINATE FOODS must be completely removed from your diet. People with arthritis tend to be very poorly adapted to these ‘new’ foods. These foods all have a high allergenic potential. Many (especially grains and milk products) can directly damage and increase permeability of the intestinal lining. This intestinal damage also limits the absorption of important vitamins and minerals. Celiac disease is the most obvious example of this phenomenon.
Celiac disease is associated with a specific intolerance to a certain protein (gluten) found in grains. Common symptoms include abdominal bloating, diarrhea, muscle wasting, extreme fatigue, iron and other nutrient deficiencies and in some cases arthritis. Despite intensive study, the mechanisms involved in celiac disease have not been determined. At first it was hypothesized that individuals suffering from celiac simply lacked a digestive enzyme needed to break down gluten. We now know that the mechanisms are far more complex. A new theory suggests that lectins are responsible for at least some of the intestinal damage. Lectins are molecules found in some foods that can have a variety of toxic effects on living tissues. Current research suggests that wheat germ lectin may be the culprit responsible for scarring of tissues along the intestinal tract.
Until recently celiac disease was thought to only effect 1 out of 300 people in the general population. Today’s research shows that there are more undiagnosed than diagnosed cases. The problem is that many of these undiagnosed cases are latent, and do not show the prominent symptoms of more severe disease. Celiac disease exhibits a significantly higher prevalence among patients with autoimmune disease, diabetes, mental/neurological disorders, intestinal cancers and lymphoma. It is becoming obvious that celiac disease is only the tip of the iceberg, representing a very small part of a much larger group of individuals with grain allergy.
We are finding ourselves in a similar situation with milk and milk products. Lactose intolerance is a condition resulting from the inability to digest lactose (milk sugar). The problem is primarily due to a deficiency of the enzyme lactase. Common symptoms of lactose intolerance include bloating, intestinal gas, nausea, diarrhea and cramps. Milk has been shown to damage intestinal cells in a manner similar to celiac disease in many individuals. Likewise, lactose intolerance is only a fragment of a larger population of people with milk allergy.
Celiac disease and lactose intolerance stem simply from being poorly adapted to a food. While we’re not completely sure of the mechanisms at play we do know that the consequences can be quite dire leading to a variety of chronic disease states. How well we will be adapted to any food is based on how many thousands of years that our ancestors ate it. In the case of grains and milk that time has been too short for our physiology to fully adjust.
For best results you should leave grains, milk and milk products out of your diet. You are STRONGLY advised to omit any of the grains or milk that have adverse effects on your specific blood type (see below). ELIMINATE MEANS ELIMINATE! Simply reducing your intake of these foods will do you little good. A single teaspoon of wheat is capable of doing extensive damage to the intestinal tract of celiac patients. This is another reason why a diet composed exclusively of whole foods is a must. Trace amounts of milk, grains (or their excipients) are found in almost all processed foods. If you insist on trying these foods you will need to use a different testing methodology to measure their impact on your arthritis symptoms.
Most foods will deliver an immediate reaction (within 1-4 hours) after ingestion. ELIMINATE FOODS can deliver a delayed reaction as much as four days after eating. The phenomenon of delayed sensitivity is probably due to damage done by that food to the intestinal lining. Let’s use wheat as an example of how to test an ELIMINATE FOOD.
If you intend to test wheat you should eat wheat (shredded wheat cereal is a relatively pure form of wheat) three times a day with your other known ‘safe’ foods for 4 consecutive days. During this period you will not be able to test any other foods. Closely compare your symptoms prior to and after the addition of wheat to your diet. Of course if you experience an immediate reaction to an ELIMINATE FOOD you should consider it a food allergen remove it from your diet.
In the ELIMINATE FOODS section of the various metabolic diets you will be asked to eliminate certain foods based on your individual blood type (O, A, B, or AB). Peter D’Adamo, N.D., a Naturopathic physician, continued in his father’s footsteps by observing the relationship between diet, disease and blood type. He found that certain foods containing lectins react with specific blood types. These lectin/blood reactions trigger inflammation. Here are the foods that I recommend that you totally eliminate from your diet based on blood type.
Type O
Wheat (note that oats and other grains are often contaminated with wheat when processed)
Corn
Kidney Beans
Lentils
Cabbage
Brussels Sprouts
Cauliflower
Mustard Greens
Potato
Type A
Milk
Kidney Beans
Lima Beans
Wheat
Tomato
Type B
Corn
Lentils
Peanuts
Sesame Seeds
Buckwheat
Wheat
Tomato
Chicken
Shellfish
Type AB
Kidney Beans
Lima Beans
Seeds
Corn
Buckwheat
Wheat
Tomato
In Reply to: Can somebody please help me sort out the diets? posted by chet on December 05, 1999 at 17:57:08:
Just so you understand what's going on. The archiving of significant posts into the archives got way behind early this year. Steps are being taken to improve and to that process, not to mention performing the process, but it will take some time yet. (The backlog of great posts not yet archived is daunting.)
In the meantime, this discussion board file and all the associated posts files got HUGE, making it slow to load, expensive to store, etc. etc. So Bill has moved all the least-recent BBS posts to an off-web site storage (a fixed disk on his computer, as I understand it), awaiting archiving. So only discussions from about October 15 and on are available now.
The current search engine (which we did not have at all, just a few short weeks ago, so let's not complain too bitterly about it, please :-) indexes and searches only things linked together in this web site proper (and in the Glossary). So those posts before October 15 are not and will not be available till someday when they get archived. And of course, the old posts that don't get archived will be lost. But we cannot keep everything, and who would want to search thru everything anyway?
In the meantime, Walt has realized that there is something more important to do with his time. He will start soon (I understand and hope) to pull together the most important insight and information on each subject area that we have currently archived and will do a mini-article to be placed at the head of that archive. So a person accessing any given archive will find a summary writeup there first, then the Q&A archives, and then the month-by-month archives, the way the archives were done much earlier. I think this will make a huge difference and I applaud Dr. Stoll's doing this over some time. But it will take some time and some page editing support from Bill.
In the meantime, Bill continues to generate the Pearl code that is needed for a non-computer person (Dr. Stoll) to do all the archiving, instead of requiring a computer NERD (computer nerds are NICE, in this case!) to do it. Can you say "VI" editor. Shades of long ago, but still in use by UNIX programmers everywhere today.
Hope this helps you to understand the current situation, though not directly addressing the information you seek, which is basically not currently available on-line.
RHJ++
In Reply to: Re: Can somebody please help me sort out the diets? posted by Robert McFerran on December 06, 1999 at 13:47:58:
Robert:
Thanks so much for sharing this.
I am sooooooooo looking forward to your complete book. Are you taking pre-publication deposits or something like that yet? I want one of the very first ones off the press!
RHJ++
In Reply to: Re: Can somebody please help me sort out the diets? posted by Robert McFerran on December 06, 1999 at 13:47:58:
Bob,
How generous of you to share this on the BB. Very enlightening. I think it should be copied to the articles section or a new section created for it, because if it stays here it will get lost and not enough people will benefit from reading it.
From what your chapter said about how different types react to caffiene I suspect that I am a H/G because I have an extreme reaction to even a small amount of caffeine. However I have been a vegetarian for over 25 years (for spiritual rather than health reasons) and will not consider eating meat or fish. I do like beans, tofu, cheese, and eggs. is there something else I should be eating? I have psoriasis so I have to avoid the nightshades, so my diet is already pretty limited. I don't know what my boodtype is. My health seems to have improved a bit from adding several Tbsp of Flax Oil daily.
Again, thank you for your generous contributions to the BB.
Regards
John
In Reply to: Re: Can somebody please help me sort out the diets? posted by Robert McFerran on December 06, 1999 at 13:47:58:
Mr. McFerran, alot of this is over my head. However, is this the Eve in the Bible? If so, I thought that they lived in the Garden of Eden, which was somewhere in Europe. Or was it in Central Africa? I know this question sounds naive, but I'm trying to figure all this out.
Thank you.
Straw
In Reply to: Re: Many "recent" posts are in pre-archive "limbo" posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on December 06, 1999 at 14:54:36:
Thanks, RocketHealer Jim.
I appreciate your explaining this to people. It surely needed to be done.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Ancestral Eve posted by Straw on December 07, 1999 at 04:54:55:
Straw,
Genetics has allowed us to trace back the origins of every human on the planet through mitochondrial DNA. When anthropologists started applying genetic tools they found that we are ALL tied to a common ancestor. Anthropologists dubbed this common point of origin of mankind as 'ancestral Eve'. There is no implication of any biblical or any other religious connection.
The salient point that I was trying to make is that the first humans were able to metabolize both flesh and plants for food. Even though there were significant changes during the last 4 1/2 million years we still retain that ability.
Bob
In Reply to: Bill: This Article needs a special place on the website posted by John Counts on December 06, 1999 at 23:47:52:
Hi John,
Unfortunately your body might have been programmed to need something that you aren't giving it.
You might want to re-think some of the vegetarian rhetoric. Were your meat eating ancestors less spiritual than their Agriculturist counterparts living in more temperate climates? Were the American Indians that relied on buffalo as their primary food source spiritual?
Unfortunately I know of no way to circumvent your genetic, physiological programming. You might be surprised that dietary cholesterol (the kind found in things like animal fat) is a metabolic pre-cursor for the production of a variety of hormones -- perhaps most important in your case is cortisol (our primary anti-stress hormone).
Bob
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