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I am guessing that the best place to satrt diet-wise woud be with the whole foods diet book which I will be getting in the mail any day now. I bought ER4YT yesterday but have to find out which type I am before I can make sense of it :)
The 3 diets suggested by robert McFerran seem interesting too. Should I start with the Elimination diet first or should I do the Whole Foods first?
Also, Leon has made great suggestions regarding macrobiotics...could that be a better place to start?
I really, really am interested in finding what foods work best for me.
Thanks,
Bri
In Reply to: Archives in diet: so much info..where should I start? posted by Bri on August 13, 2000 at 14:45:18:
In Reply to: Archives in diet: so much info..where should I start? posted by Bri on August 13, 2000 at 14:45:18:
Hi Bri,
From your comments to leon about the chicken and veggies, chances are that you are somewhere on the line between Hunter-Gatherer and Mixed. If I were you, I'd start straight on the Hunter-Gatherer diet, and see how you felt on that. And then maybe have a go on the Mixed.
The elimination diet is to find out your allergies/addictions and you will probably find that you want to do it at some stage. You don't necessary have to do it before you start the HG tho. The only thing is, if you do the HG diet strictly, you will want to combine it with the whole food guidelines in Beths's book. Which means you'll go through withdrawal symptoms anyway, and who wants to do THAT twice?
Another bonus from doing the E-diet first is that you will get a good idea of whether you are more of an HG than an Ag, by how much fish you need to eat.
Hope that helps,
Deb.
In Reply to: Is the elimination diet the way to start? nmi posted by Bri on August 13, 2000 at 17:15:21:
you might want to think about that. Until you're really ready, it's sort of a waste of time. I would certainly recommend it to anyone who's interested in finding their own perfect diet and their best health, but I also would caution everyone on taking it lightly.
Bri, ANY diet you decide upon should be "whole foods". I think that's a term that gets misused here a lot - or at least misunderstood. Whether you are doing the hunter-gatherer diet, blood type diet, macrobiotics, or a vegetarian diet, that diet should be whole foods. I think the Beth Louiselle book is great at defining what "whole foods" are and are not. That's the first lesson to learn. After that, you can start to refine what you're eating by deciding what direction you think will best suit your needs...btw, meat would be considered whole foods. Of course, organic meat would be the best way to go, but if you can't get it...
You can start with little steps, while you're learning, by not eating what you know is crap! :-) Wheat would be a great place to start you thinking along the lines you will eventually get to...cut out wheat and dairy. See how you feel after two weeks of that, while you're reading up on all the other aspects of diet.
Others will argue that this is NOT a "little step". But in reality, it's a step you need to take to get where you want to go, so may as well see how it feels! It will give you an idea of what you're up for.
Best of luck with your journey, Bri...hope you keep sharing and you keep your great up-beat "can do" attitude!
trish
In Reply to: The e diet is a huge commitment... posted by trish on August 14, 2000 at 01:19:02:
Bri,
I'm looking forward to the e-diet - one day. I've started by just changing my diet gradually in small ways. I still am more aware of how food affects me and think in a better way about what I eat. There are a lot of experiences from e-dieters in the archives - Trish chronicled hers along with 3 others at the same time while Bob helped them along - it was real intense for some of them. I have a feeling it will be a very intense experience when I do the elimination phase so I have to be sure I plan ahead, the kids are in school, the husband is around to help with the house, kids, dogs, etc. There's a lot involved and unless someone else in your family does it with you, you will be even more isolated at mealtimes.
Nobody fails at the e-diet. Sometimes they just don't get through it the first time. The archives will give you a lot to think about where the e-diet is concerned. Let me know if you need help finding anything.
June
In Reply to: Archives in diet: so much info..where should I start? posted by Bri on August 13, 2000 at 14:45:18:
Hi, Bri.
Depends on the problems you are trying to deal with.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Archives in diet: so much info..where should I start? posted by Walt Stoll on August 15, 2000 at 08:13:07:
Hi Dr. Stoll,
There are a couple problems. First, there are psychological problems that I have been learning to deal with in relation to eating. I have been working on "managing food" this summer and ridding myself of a long and tumultuos disorder. I have never been a fat person: I have basically always been muscular and super-active in sports. I gain weight easily and have trouble handling that, so I have been a yo-yo type for a while (the result of trying to acheive perfection in certain sports).
At times, I hated my body (not unlike many girls my age, and of all ages, I am sure). So that is one big thing. For example, I have been trying really hard to do the whole foods thing for the past few weeks, but it is hard to do after a while...I have been learning that I cannot deprive myself of what I want or else I become a bit crazy and end up binging, feeling guilty and then...well I don't think I want to go into everyhting. But you get the point.
I am at the point where I am not sure whether I am supposed to just suck it up and shut up about it. It isn't so much that I hate myself and am into self-mutilation---I want to be healthy so badly. It's especially hard to combat this eating disorder without being able to be fully active. Exercise keeps me in check.
Anyway, managing food is important and I am implementing a lot of tips I have read here. I feel like I completely blow it when I have something sweet. So i am now giving into indulgences (with a small half-sized or less portion than what I used to have) to avoid any sort of relaspe or binging. I can be very disciplined for a long time and was really thin (for my build) last year at this time. I was happy at the point. I have gained some weight since then but I try not to weigh myself too often.
I don't know if you're really into this psychological stuff, and many would say "just shut up Bri and deal with it"...but I know if I go on a diet which is too relaxed I will extend the boundaries---I need structure (even though that is bad---I should learn to manage food properly, according to my nutrition counselor).
Therefore a really strict diet is great--one that restricts my choices. That way I can convince myself that I am allergic to other "BAD" foods and will avoid them. That's why I want to go on the elimination diet. It would be very disciplined and i might be able to find what foods work well for my body.
I am being totally honest here and don't want to b/s about this. I want to get well, so I have to look in the mirror here. I need structure and I need to use the foods that are going to get me better. As far I have been reading the PWFD book and ER4YT. I am so interested in learning what I NEED to eat for fuel, so I can tell myself again and again that is what food is really for.
I hope I haven't written too much. If i haven't said it enough, thanks for your help. I am sure that my case is a bit unusual but I have these expectations of myself that are sometimes hard to achieve (that is why my current state of EBV is so frustrating and depressing for me). Perfectionism used to be a wonderful thing--it helped me reach a lot of great things, but now I am trying to relax a bit and get really healthy. See, perfectionism caused me to get run down (and let my immune system down) and do too much for my body. It caused me to push myself too hard and now I am learning to reverse all this.
Second, I want to eat what will help me get rid of the EBV and bury the eating disorder forever. So far, I have been good for two months by giving into indulgence as I have said occasionally and learning not to feel guilty. It's all one big learning experience for me and getting my problems out in the open has been the first step in finding recovery. That was the hardest part and now it's up to me to get healthy.
I apologize for the length of this message, but there's a lot of complexity in dealing with the psychological side of learning to eat for "fuel". I know that eating whole foods can and will help me. Please do not think I cannot do it nor doubt my ability to recover because I seem a bit troubled. I will get through this and I will get better.
Thanks for your time and help,
Bri
In Reply to: learning to eat "normally"....the problem with perfectionism posted by Bri on August 15, 2000 at 13:02:21:
Hi Bri,
I can relate to the perfectionism problem. When I was exactly your age, I was very heavy into working out AND being thin. Obsessed is more the word. I began teaching advanced aerobics classes. I lived out of town, so I rode my bike into town and back (30 minutes each way) to teach the classes in the AM. This progressed and progressed, until I began to develop and teach a new type of class in addition to the advanced aerobics -- a class called "muscle shaping". This was a killer class that most of the participtants could not even get through. I secretly liked that I could easily get through workouts that made others drop out. (I would not have this attitude today).
As I progressed through this, I also began to participate in 2 of the classes taught by my colleagues, one was intermediate aerobics and the other was the evening session of advanced aerobics. Now there I was doing 4 aerobic classes per day. THEN, I added weight lifting for one hour after the final session every night. Did I mention I was at that point riding my bike to and from town twice a day now? I was spending a total of 7 hours per day exercising HARD.
I look back and I know this was nuts. I could NOT see it at the time. Even though I was wracked with shin splints that turned into stress fractures, I did not quit until the pain got so bad and someone finally convinced me that my shins would soon break all the way through (and the pain was severe already). So I had to quit everything, and I got immediately depressed. For years, I did not know how to exercise (or eat) in moderation.
I'm glad I have come through all that. You will come to a place of peace and comfort in your wellness and eating as well. Don't be hard on yourself. Before you got here, I was struggling myself with doing the Perfect Whole Foods Diet myself. I cheated big time once, and then later I finally threw in the towel. What it got me though was a greater appreciation for healthy eating and MUCH better habits than I had before. Once I took away the "have to" of this diet, I found I had a "want to" which was surprising.
My "vice" was drinking Cokes all day. I gave that up completely and never looked back. It was hard for at least the first 10 days. Sitting here now, I don't want it anymore (something I thought I'd never say). I avoid sugar as much as I can, so I would say I am eating about a 90-95% sugar free, refined-free diet. And I drink WATER all the time! Not perfect, but it was a level I could live with. At first I felt like a failure, but then I had to admit how far I have come! I look back and realize I was throwing nothing but sugar, caffeine, white flour, and refined carbos into my body every day.
I still feel like I will eventually do the PWFD, when I am ready. I am near-perfect now, and I want to expend the additional energy toward perfecting my SR (#1) and an exercise program (#2). Once I have these down, I feel I will naturally be ready to go perfect with the diet.
There IS something you can try that I was not aware of when I was your age, and that is affirmations. Write down some positive self-talk statements, and in moments of meditation or silence, repeat them to yourself. Some examples are "I am getting better every day. I am well. My body wants whole foods..." You see, "Thoughts are Things" and they really do bring into your life in kind. So don't let yourself say or think things like "I feel horrible" or "I'm going to be sick forever", because this is a very dangerous thing to do!
Affirmations, Bri!
Hope this helps :o)
In Reply to: learning to eat "normally"....the problem with perfectionism posted by Bri on August 15, 2000 at 13:02:21:
Hi, Bri.
The ONLY reason I have ever suggested "perfection" with the PWFD or the elimination/provocation diet is that the immune system is somehow related to both. Because of that you can get an indication of how much good the PWFD wil do you within 2 weeks IF you are perfect. You have to look at it as an experiment.
The e/diet is self explanatory and the results are in a very short period of time IF you are perfect in your elimination.
Once you have your results you will pay the price of symptoms if you stray (for at least the first 6 months). Then YOU decide what to do on the basis of how YOU feel.
Walt
Walt
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