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HI
I posted the other day, but the board disappeared and I didn't get to see any replies. I've been sick for the better part of four years now. My most bothersome symptoms are Brain fog(a "fogged in" or cloudy feeling in my head.)it makes it very hard to concentrate and sometimes to literally focus.I have this EVERYDAY most of the time. headaches, heart palpitations, digestive and stomach problems, fatigue,anxiety, etc... I've been through numerous medical tests including MRI on the brain, EEG, stress test, echogram, endoscopy,numerous blood tests, thyroid and adrenal tests, etc... everything has come back normal. I notice that certain symptoms come on after eating, and other times anxiety will increase the fog and palpitations. I'm trying NAET now for allergies, but so far have seen no positive results. Am I on the right track? Does anyone have any idea what is really wrong with me? has anyone else had these symptoms, and if you did what helped you? any response is appreciated. Dr Stoll, do you have any answers or advise for me ? thank you
In Reply to: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Keith on October 18, 2000 at 19:51:30:
Hi, Keith.
First of all read all you can find in the archives about brain chemistry. Next, get Dr Philpott's book "Brain Allergies".
THEN, if you still have questions, write again.
Walt
In Reply to: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Keith on October 18, 2000 at 19:51:30:
Sounds like several food sensitivities.. try eliminating one
week at a time:
dairy
wheat
corn
sugar
soy
Start skilled relaxation (read the boards on it)
Try a whole foods diet,
These things will help!
In Reply to: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Keith on October 18, 2000 at 19:51:30:
You are experiencing classic symptoms of Leaky gut syndrome, bacterial imbalance and allergies, probably to foods as well as inhalents. Get a doctor to perform an intestinal permeability test on you. You will see that you have LGS. The allergic reactions caused by the LGS lead to heart palpitations, brain fog, multiple chemical sensitivities, muscle and joint aches, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and more. You have 3 functional barriers that protect you from the outside world: Skin, respiritory system, and Gastrointestinal system. If any of these are breeched, the outside world makes its way to your insides and you react to substances that others wouldn't have a problem with. This is ALL because of the leaky gut and bacterial imabalance. I have been watching this board for a very, very long time. There are lots of great advice floating around here but some, I think, leaves a little to be desired. Relaxation and stress reduction is important, but when you write that you have a problem, this will most likely be the first or only recomendation. I healed my LGS in 3 months with NO SR!! All I did was avoid my allergens that I was tested for using the ELISA test by DR. Bradly at Immuno Labs, I took nutrients to repair the GI tract, I balanced my hormones, got rid of a candida infection, and I ate a diet right for my body Don't waste your time trying to do an elimination diet. It can take many many months and people forget the human error in the process. The ELISA test is just as accurate as the elimination diet when the human factor is put back into the equation. The ELISA test used by Dr. Bradly has been shown to be 91.3 to 97% accurate in clinical trials. This is due to the procedures taken by the lab. They are the strictest in the industry and they use a technique called "splitting". They put your blood in 2 vials. They allow 2 separate people to work on your speciman. One would hope that both come back identical. Well, they do. 97.3% of the time. I can't say that about other labs. An elimination diet is NOT 100% accurate. People make mistakes and I doubt you would get even an 85% accuracy rate using this method. Sometimes people make mistakes by thinking they are reacting to a food when in fact, they are just feeling a bit under the weather. Or, perhaps, they "will" themselves into a reaction. They are so tuned into looking for a reaction that they actually make one happen. Everyone on this board is accepting of the fact that the mind is very powerful and exhibits great forces on the body. Well, it can actually work against you in this respect. This is also where we get the "placebo" effect. Sorry for the long post but I thought this was all worth mentioning.
Also, the first thing you need to do is get your flora under control first. This board is backwards when it comes to this. YOU CAN NOT HEAL A LEAKY GUT WITH AN OVERGROWTH OF CANDIDA IN IT. This is like trying to rebuild a house with the walls on fire. It can't be done. Once the candida is in check, you can heal your leaky gut and restore the integrety of your GI system. At this point, you will experience a huge reduction in symptoms if not full remission. Why am I so confident? Because I have been there. I tried a lot of the suggestions on this board with no avail. That's ok. It's nobody's fault but i finally figured out the correct process. Good luck to you.
Walt G.
In Reply to: Classic symptoms of................ posted by Walt G. on October 24, 2000 at 00:06:06:
Hi Walt G,
There was some discussion of whether to heal the candida or LGS first recently and when I ventured to suggest the candida needs to be fixed first, I was shot down in flames. But I'm sure I read it somewhere on the board, so maybe Bob McFerran said it. My question for you is - what nutrients did you use to heal your leaky gut?
As far as identifying the allergens goes, maybe both methods can work. My partner and I did the e-diet last year, and although I didn't identify any allergens, he identified several.
Regards,
Deb.
In Reply to: Re: Classic symptoms of................ for Walt G posted by Deb on October 24, 2000 at 01:59:14:
The candida must be eliminated first. Anybody who says otherwise is walking backwards. It is a physical impossibility to heal something that has tiny rods shoved into it. You can't close a door with a stick stuck in it. That is just bad science. People don't seem to realize that once the candida is in check, your digestion will be greatly improved and healing the leaky gut is not that difficult. IT took me 3 months after the candida was gone. What I would do, right from the start, is to take enzymes and HCL (if you need it) to start improving your digestion. This way, there is less for candida to eat and you are actually starting to treat your leaky gut at the same time. I used some products that can't be bought in stores. I got them through a doctor. I saw one other person on this list who saw this doctor but I can't remember who it was. anyway, the doctor is Dr. Biamonte and his website is www.health-truth.com. You can find tons of info on leaky gut and candida and the PROPER way to erradicate the problem.
That sounds like a good idea. Doing both methods of allergy identification. The problem with the e-diet is that it takes many months to do correctly and few people have the will or the modivation to follow it through correctly. The ELISA test has proved to be just as valuable and it only takes a few days. Check out that site and see what you think. You will see then why you cannot relapse on a chomprehensive program like that.
Walt G.
In Reply to: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Keith on October 18, 2000 at 19:51:30:
FIRST I AM NOT A DOCTOR- I'm a healer and kiesiologist;I really want to know what kind of work do you do and do you work with chemicals or toxins? I can feel some kind of enviromental toxin perhaps you are inhaling; Thank Dr. Stoll for also covering that and Leeky Gut-he knows what he is talking about there, treatment clears out many things; I wish you could find someone to do deep breathing with and clean some toxins out;Keep on the search and let me know if you work with toxins or a lot of ink around ect; Caring!
In Reply to: Classic symptoms of................ posted by Walt G. on October 24, 2000 at 00:06:06:
Thank you for the reply. This really does sound like what might be wrong with me. You sound very knowledgeable on the subject. a a couple of questions:
What is an ELISA test and where can I get it done?
What nutrients did you take to help you heal?
You were better in only 3 months? that's great!
Who is DR. Bradley and where is his lab?
I studied up on candida about a year ago and even went to a infectious disease specialist, and an endocrinologist, and you know what they said? Candida doesn't exist, you're fine, all your tests are normal....go home and exercise! AND I HAD TO PAY THEM FOR THIS! Anyway, I really want to feel better but it's hard to know where to start and where to get help.
any advice is always appreciated.
Keith
In Reply to: Re: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Terri-Lynn on October 25, 2000 at 17:15:27:
I'm a DJ and operations manager at a radio station, so I don't work with chemicals. I'm searching the archives now on leaky gut. That sound like it could be me. Thanks for the advice.
Keith
In Reply to: Re: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Walt Stoll on October 19, 2000 at 11:12:28:
Thanks Dr. Stoll for answering my question. I'm searching the site for brain chemistry and I will buy the book. I'm also searching the leaky gut archives. Do you think that could be a possible cause of me feeling so bad? Any other advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you again.
Keith
In Reply to: Re: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Keith on October 27, 2000 at 00:08:26:
Thanks for writting me back. That sounds good the route your going; I still feel that there is a breathing stress at your job somewhat that is adding to your other stressors in your life; Do they use spray for bugs with a strong chemical or clean with chemicals a lot or is it dirty ect; I'm not saying it is your major problem, but still just observe things; Doing some kind of lympthatic exercise would be benificial also with breathing; Good luck in your search and let us know what you find;
In Reply to: Re: Classic symptoms of................ posted by Keith on October 27, 2000 at 00:03:17:
Elisa test is a highly sensitive food allergy test that tests the reaction of your blood to specific food antigens. It is very accurate at pinpointing delayed food sensitivities. You can get it from Immuno Labs. Dr. Bradly is the director. Just do a search on the internet.
Conventional medical tests, for the most part, are not sensitive enough to pick up on early stages of diseases. That is why your tests always come back normal. Get a comprehensive digestive stool analysis from Great Smokies Labs. They have the best chance of finding candida overgrowth if you have it.
I found out what foods I was sensitive to and eliminated them. I got rid of candida on 2 months on a program devised by Dr. Biamonte (www.health-truth.com)Just click on "tour the program" for details. There is one other person on this board that I know of that used biamonte with good results.
After the candida was gone and the allergies weren't aggravating my gut, I went on a cleansing program for 2 weeks. When this was through, my leaky gut was almost gone. I used L-glutamine, SeaCure, Colostrum, NAG, DGL and herbs like Slippery elm and Marshmallow. A few weeks later, leaky gut is gone and I feel great. Once the leaky gut is gone, you must still avoid the foods you tested allergic to. There are still anitbodies to it in your blood stream. The leaky gut will come back. You must wait until these antibodies calm down (3-6 months). Then, get tested again and see where you stand. MAintain a rotation diet and take digestive enzymes and probiotics to keep digestion at peek. This will help prevent further episodes of leaky gut. Once you know what to do, it isn't that hard.
Walt G.
In Reply to: Re: Classic symptoms of................ posted by Keith on October 27, 2000 at 00:03:17:
Hi, Keith.
ONLY a monopoly could get away with such shabby service!!!!!
YOur best bet is to educate yourself enough about this that you can easily judge the qualifications of who you are talking to. Start with sepnding a few days on this BB in the glossary, archives and dearch engine about candida, LGS, bracing & SR.
THEN, if you still have questions, write again.
#1 I think the ELISA test is pretty much a waste of money.
#2 Contact healthcomm.com about the 4-R program.
Learning is your best place to put your efforts!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Terri-Lynn on October 27, 2000 at 19:40:21:
Thanks, Terri-Lynn.
Don't forget electromagnetic smog. It is something that would be especially heavy in his job. AK could be a good way to access that information.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Keith on October 27, 2000 at 00:14:57:
Hi, Keith.
The more you learn how this all fits together, the more you will get in control of your condition.
Terri-Lynn has some good ideas and see my response to her today.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Walt Stoll on October 29, 2000 at 08:16:40:
Hi Walt. Thanks, i did not test him for that, but you know when i do a full test i do; I even forgot to ask him if he smokes. While i was reading his symptoms i could feel the breathing toxin and tested his home [did not find it a problem] and his work i do, maybe it'll keep him exploring; He definently needs some other things like acidophillus and a full reading-ha-oh well, you found another stress factor, it is off for him; Some folks need your suitcase story. Acummulated toxins over load the system, start un-packing them-ha! I leave Tx. tommorw for Fl. Off to lecture in Maui with Virgil in NOv. and Dec.-i hope to stay on line. New at this Internet stuff; Fun though;
In Reply to: Re: Classic symptoms of................ posted by Walt Stoll on October 29, 2000 at 08:14:22:
It is easy to say that. The fact of the matter is, you have no way of knowing if those "safe" foods you are using to start the diet is indeed "safe" for you. If you are sensitive to any of those foods you will not get good results. Go ahead, tell me that's bad advice :)
I recommend getting the ELISA test and using it to start your elimination diet. This test is VERY sensitive and extremely accurate. I have seen it work in practice. Dr. Stoll doesn't use it, therefore he doesn't like it. That isn't science, it is preference.
Here's another point. If you do this elimination diet and test one food at a time until you are done, there are hundreds of different foods, you will be on the elimination diet for a few years. During this time, you can develop allergies to foods you are already consuming. The variables are just too much to deal with
Walt G.
In Reply to: Elimination diet. How do you know you are not starting out with foods you are already sensitive to posted by Walt G. on October 30, 2000 at 00:20:46:
Hi Walt G,
Good question. You can't be 100% sure, of course. But the "safe" foods are ones that years of experience with actual case studies have shown to have the least instances of allergy. Then you omit any foods from that list that you have eaten regularly. That reduces the chances of you being allergic to one of them to a pretty low %
As for the Elisa test, having no experience with it, I can't comment. But just suppose, hypothetically, one of the safe foods on that list turned out not to be.....
Testing - the period for testing is 21 days only, so you do have to be selective about what you test. Altho there are 100's of foods, realistically, most people eat a far smaller selection. So you want to test the foods you are likely to eat most often. Also, Bob McFerran recommends testing the foods that are CORE for the metabolic type you think you are first.
Make more sense now?
Deb.
In Reply to: Re: Elimination diet. How do you know you are not starting out with foods you are already sensitive to posted by Deb on October 30, 2000 at 02:12:17:
this does not sound too scientific for me. just because you feel a certain way when you eat something is not going to convince me that a certain food is good or bad, or that I am one metabolic type or another. that is just garbage. people "feel" a certain way when they smoke cigaretes or drink booze. if they feel better after a cigarete or after a drink, does that mean it is good for them? i for on will stick with scientific studies.
In Reply to: but how do you "think" you are a metabolic type? posted by jason on October 30, 2000 at 14:12:18:
Hi Jason,
I'm not going to spend a pile of time repeating information which is already in the archives. There have been plenty of studies done, and there are ways to get an indication of which metabolic type you are. Though, of course, the only way to tell for sure is to try both diets.
After doing an elimination diet, your system will be "clean" enough to be able to tell the true effects of the food you are eating.
If you are interested in learning about the metabolic and elimination diets, read the archives. Or if you want to read the extracts from Bob McFerran's book, they are also on my website (link below) under Dietary Theories.
Deb
In Reply to: Re: Many symptoms...no real answers posted by Terri-Lynn on October 29, 2000 at 17:51:36:
Dear Terri-Lynn.
WOWEE! Maui!
Just couldn't resist that.
Have fun!
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: but how do you "think" you are a metabolic type? posted by Deb on October 30, 2000 at 17:54:55:
could you please point me to any published studies that document this system? i have read the archives. please do not include wiley or watson as i have read both and am not impressed by their claims most of which we have no choice but to take only at face value. what i am looking for is actual studies documenting biochemical differences between the metabolic types. any help would be appreciated.
j.
In Reply to: Re: Classic symptoms of................ posted by Walt G. on October 28, 2000 at 18:44:43:
Hi Walt,
Just curious, what were your worst symptoms with LGS? Did you have brain fog, palpitations, digestion problems, etc... like me? Did they pretty much clear up after treatment? How long did it take for you to realize you were starting to feel better? and did you have bad die-off reactions? My first step is to get these tests done ASAP to make sure I actually have this. The NAET dr I've been going to is a chiropractor, and lucky for me, believes in this disorder. I hope this is finally my answer. Thanks for the help and advice.
Keith
In Reply to: Thanks Deb posted by Jason on October 31, 2000 at 08:56:01:
Hi Jason,
OK, it looks like we're talking about two different things here. Firstly, whether an elimination diet works. Secondly, whether the distinction between the metabolic types can be proved scientifically.
When you are in a state where you have multiple food allergies, you are not able to correctly read your body's signals. As you pointed out, when you are in this state, many things "feel" good, but are not good for you. If you run an elimination diet and succeed in "clearing" (ie you go through the withdrawal symptoms, and then start to feel better) your system is then very sensitive and you can test foods and accurately feel how you really react to them. Unfortunately, in a home situation, not everybody clears, for a variety of reasons : human error (eg did eat some sugar), presence of candida, presence of other environmental allergens, etc, etc. But many do, including my own partner - so I know it can work very well. The books to read on this part of it are "An Alternative Approach to Allergies" by Theron Randolph & "Brain Allergies" by William Philpott.
As far as scientific proof on the biochemical differences - you'd have to ask Bob McFerran about that. He may know more details than me. But what exactly is it that you are disputing - that different metabolic typoes exist, or that you can tell which type you are?
In my mind, from the enormous amount of anecdotal evidence available, there is no doubt that different people need diferent diets. I doubt that you will find any scientific evidence proving the opposite. In fact, most studies don't even look at that aspect. Peter d'adamo can give you biochemical evidence showing that the blood types react differently to lectins, though there does not seem to be a firm correlation between blood & metabolic types.
Also, just because there is no scientific proof for something doesn't mean it isn't so. Scientists can't explain everything yet, and often studies contradict each other anyway. Look at the differing opinions on fats currently being discussed, for example.
As far as telling which type you are - as I said before, there are ways to get an indication of what type you are, but the only way to really tell is to try both diets for a period of time and see which suits. Which takes us back to how you can be sure you're correctly interpreting your body, and why an elimination diet is recommended.
Deb.
In Reply to: Elimination diet. How do you know you are not starting out with foods you are already sensitive to posted by Walt G. on October 30, 2000 at 00:20:46:
Hi, again, Walt.
I have used ELISA, when it first came out, and found it to be helpful in SOME cases but not a high enough % to justify the cost when the elimination/provocation diet was more accurate and FREE.
If you are very lucky the ELISA may save you some time. Good Luck! Just because it worked for you is NO guarantee that it will work for others. As a matter of fact, statistics say that the vast MINORITY will be helped. You have only your own experience to go by and I will not deny that. However, it is MUCH more accurate to look at a large number of people and , unless you are a professional, you will have little chance of doing that.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Thanks Deb (re elimination/metabolic diets) posted by Deb on November 01, 2000 at 01:23:36:
thanks deb (again),
but it looks like i'm back where i started. yes i agree that science doesn't know everything. agreed. however if i pick up a copy of the "the zone" dr. sears explains insulin resistance and provides the documentation, the studies. same with mcdougall or ornish. it just appears that jumping into something like metabolic typing is a large leap of faith with no scientific evidence. is mr. mcferran at least keeping statistics or records? are they available?
call me a doubting thomas, but how do you comit to a lifetime of eating a certain way with no idea of it's long term effects?
anyway, thanks for the response. i appreciate the thoughtfulness.
j.
In Reply to: Re: Elimination diet. How do you know you are not starting out with foods you are already sensitive to (Archive in diet.) posted by Walt Stoll on November 01, 2000 at 07:06:24:
Thanks Dr. Stoll. but, how do you know you are not starting with foods you are already sensitive to? One can be allergic to any substance. It will skew the results.
Another point. I belong to an arthritis group at onelist most of these people have LGS. I told them about the elimination diet and gave them the website to run it. Maybe 5 or 6 people did it. They did it together so they could have some support. They all got really pissed at me because none of them found any reactions to anything and said it was a complete waste of time. How can this be?
How can one be sure they are having a reaction to something when the reaction can be delayed by up to 3 days? I believe these are all legitimate questions and comments and I can't find anything about this in the archives. I am open enough to consider this a possibility for me and for others but nobody is having any luck with it. Why? They followed the instructions to the T.
Walt G.
In Reply to: Re: Classic symptoms of................ posted by Keith on October 31, 2000 at 22:29:00:
I had bloating, fatigue, heart palpitations, anxiety attacks, gas, weight-loss, stomach rumbling, badly formed stools.
I started feeling better after I got the candida level down. I was completely healed after about 6 months. 3 months to get the candida down and 3 months to heal the digestive tract.
You may be wasting your time with NAET at this time. Even if you managed to get "cleared" you will most likely relapse due to the LGS. The LGS should be healed first. Then, you can be desensitized to your foods.
Dr. Stoll obviously doesn't like the ELISA test that I used. He preferes the elimination diet and feels it helps many more people. It is up to you which one you use. I don't think he is aware of the advances in this test and the changes that have taken place since its introduction. The lab that has repeatedly had highly accurate resuls is IMMUMO LABS which is run by Dr. Bradly. Dr. Stoll is right in that this test can be expensive. The results were highly accurate in my case because I could induce a reaction on key just by consuming one of my allergenic foods after leaving it out of my diet for a month. The advantage of the elimination diet is, if it works for you, you will know exactly what type of reaction a specific food causes you rather than just receiving a +1, +2 or +3 for increasing antibodies on a test.
The Comprehensive Digstive Stool Analysis and the Intestinal Permeability Essay are non-debateable as a solidly proven useful scientific tool for the diagnosis of dysbiosis, digestive function, and intestinal mucosa integrety. I would definitely get those tests done. There are also separate tests that can be performed like h. Pylori which is an organism that is believed to cause ulcers. I would start with the 2 I mentioned and maybe the ELISA test. If not, I would do the elimination diet. Good luck with it. You will track down the offenders.
Walt G.
In Reply to: Re: Classic symptoms of................ posted by Keith on October 31, 2000 at 22:29:00:
Yes, Keith.
I had those same symptoms. It took me a year to get rid of All of them. Many were gone in 6 months and SOME of them were gone in a few weeks.
Walt
In Reply to: thanks Dr. Stoll but that completely avoids the question posted by Walt G. on November 02, 2000 at 01:09:30:
Hi guys,
Since we’re covering some of the same ground, I’m answering you both in the same post.
Walt, If you haven’t read the archives on the metabolic/elimination diets yet, and they would probably take you more than 5 days ;-), you may not know that Walt and Bob McFerran have agreed to differ on which dietary approach is better.
I was surprised to discover the other day that Walt actually recommends a different approach to the e-diet – a sort of reverse one. He says to start with a whole food diet, and then if necessary eliminate wheat from your diet for a week, then dairy, etc till you get a remission of symptoms. (This is my paraphrasing from all the posts I’ve seen over a two year period, so hopefully I’ve summarised it correctly)
The elimination diet you are asking about, Walt, comes originally from the two books I mentioned to you Jason, plus is also covered in ARTHRITIS: THE ALLERGY CONNECTION by Dr John Mansfield. Bob McFerran has also used it is his unpublished book. Bob recommends following it up with the appropriate metabolic diet.
So as you can see, Walt S is not really the person to be asking about that elimination diet. As Bob is away finishing his book, and there doesn’t seem to be anyone else left on the board who has run the e-diet, I am answering both your questions the best I can. Walt, I don’t know if you saw my answer to your post earlier in the thread, but if not you might like to go back to it and see the conversation I’ve been having with Jason. It might help. I can’t answer your question on why your friends didn’t get good results, but you might find it interesting to check out Joseph Hackett’s RA website (link below). On his FAQ page he covers Qs on the e-diet including why some people don’t clear.
Jason, I don’t know if Bob is keeping stats or not, we might have to wait for the book. As far as committing to a lifetime of eating a certain way with no idea of it's long term effects – I think we do that whatever dietary regime we follow, regardless of whether it’s been scientifically proven or not. In the end, we do have to take a leap of faith – but that faith has to be in our own innate ability to know what’s right for us, if we listen carefully. And we can only listen carefully once we’ve cleared the cr*p out of the way, via e-diet or whatever. And we can also only listen carefully once we’re actually trying something.
I don’t have the depth of knowledge of either Walt or Bob, but I have tried to put together a range of dietary info on my own website, so that people can make their own decisions about what is best for them. The Dietary Theories section covers Whole Foods, the metabolic diets and Bob’s book in an easier to read format. If either of you are interested, it is at www.diet.net.nz
Regards,
Deb
In Reply to: Re: Thanks Deb (re elimination/metabolic diets) posted by Deb on November 01, 2000 at 01:23:36:
Thanks Deb. I am very familiar with the metabolic type diets. knew about it a few years before venturing here. The e-diet you explained from Dr. Stoll is very intruiging. It's a reverse e-diet? So, in a certain order, you start eliminating foods until you are symptom-free? Then, I suppose you add the foods one at a time back to your diet to see which foods are causing it. That sounds brilliant. It also seems less stressful to the body this way. Are there directions on this approach anywhere? I am also confused as to what is allowed on the whole-foods diet. You couldn't clear that up for me, could you? YOu have been a huge help and I appreciate you jumping in here.
Walt G.
In Reply to: thanks Dr. Stoll but that completely avoids the question posted by Walt G. on November 02, 2000 at 01:09:30:
Hi Walt,
I never did the E-diet, just followed the Hunter-Gatherer diet because I was hypoglycemic and that is one of the signs of an H-G. I have had remarkable improvement in my scleroderma symptoms. Remember Robert Mc Ferran CURED himself of rheumatoid arthritis with this diet. If the people in your arthritis group are on ANY medication this could possibly interfere with results of the E-diet. Just like Dr. Stoll said, I found wheat and dairy to be my worst allergies.
Good luck to you,
Linda J
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll's reverse e-diet. Please read Deb! posted by Walt G. on November 02, 2000 at 23:28:03:
Hi, Walt G.
Use the link to Deb's website and find Robert McFerran's elimination diet under dietary theories. Most folks doing it who have "clearing" of their symptoms go through a period of feeling pretty rough by about the 3rd day and after the 6th day are usually feeling much better. Then new foods are added back one at a time and any reaction is noted. The testing period is for about 21 days.
Also, unless it got hacked away, there are many personal e-diet experiences in the archives if you just type in elimination diet. Those who use caffiene are wise to be off of it before beginning this process (withdrawals).
June
In Reply to: thanks Dr. Stoll but that completely avoids the question posted by Walt G. on November 02, 2000 at 01:09:30:
Hi, Walt.
You really need to do some homework. All of this information is already on this 'site.
First question: Of course you DON'T know. That is why you are doing the elimination/provocation diet.
Second question: They did not TOTALLY eliminate the tested substance (you probably mixed up this diet with the elimination diet by McFerran--VERY different and accomplishes a different purpose). OR, extremely unlikely, they All were sensitive to some unusual substances that were triggering symptoms. Since these make up less than 5% of chronic problems like this, it is almost impossible that more than one person (ALL of them) would have the same (negative) experience.
This is a good example of someone trying to do something without understanding it.
Third: The antibodies formed from the antigens (from the offending substance) only last for 3 1/2 days after the last exposure. That is why it takes longer than that to see results. Although there are some people who only react when there are 2 or more present at the same time (RARE) or who actually do not react until 3+ days after exposure (even MORE rare), nearly every person, who knows what they are doing, will get results pretty quick IF they totally eliminate the offending substance.
Those unusual people mentioned above need a Clinical Ecologist to sort out their very unusual conditions (Less than 1%.)
Walt
In Reply to: Re: thanks Dr. Stoll but that completely avoids the question (Last response to this before homework.) posted by Walt Stoll on November 04, 2000 at 11:54:11:
Hi Walt,
In your post to Walt G, you are talking about an elimination diet that is different from Bob's, and you say they are done for different reasons. "(you probably mixed up this diet with the elimination diet by McFerran--VERY different and accomplishes a different purpose). "
I have had a look around the archives and can find no references to a different elimination diet, apart from a passing reference you made within the past week (and I which I now can't find).
I have already had some discussions with Walt G on this subject and if you have answered my questions in response to one of those posts, please ignore this one. Otherwise, my questions are :
- What other elimination diet are you referring to?
- What is the protocol (or where in the archives can I find that info)?
- When would you choose to do that one, and when would it be more appropriate to do Bob's?
Regards,
Deb.
PS. Did you ever get the book "Your Health At Risk" I sent you? What did you think?
In Reply to: Dr Stoll - Please briefly clarify difference between the 2 elimination diets posted by Deb on November 04, 2000 at 18:22:34:
Hi, Deb.
I think stuff is getting lost in the vast volume of information on this 'site. We were hopeful that the search engine would resolve that for us. It has helped but we are not expert enough to make it VERY easy.
Robert is the expert in the e/diet which is generaly health promoting for those with LGS. He has recommended MANY references as to how and why to do something like that.
The elimination/provocation diet I am talking about is for testing specific substances (similar to McFerran's diet but differently applied and for different reasons). ANY health book about clinical ecology would have an explanation about how to do this diet testing.
Basically is it just TOTALLY eliminating the one type of food to be tested for at least 4 days. The most common a food is in that person's diet, the more likely it is to be a problem. Then eating that food and seeing what happens. If ANY traces of that food is missed the test is totally invalid. IF the person notices benefits that are reversed by the test (eating the test food on the 4-7th day), that food is worth eliminating for months (more benefits as long as the food is eliminated). Many times there are several foods that are involved. Each has to be tested individually.
Of course, food is not the only thing that can cause immunological problems---it is just the easiest stuff to test.
Hope this helps.
Walt
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