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Walt-
My Mom (an old-fashioned allopathic RN) and I are arguing about the validity of Dr. D'Adamo's work. She thinks that blood type is simply genetic, has always existed and would not have mutated as explained in the book (from just O in the beginning, etc). I'm combining the whole foods and Type A program and like it very much so far, but I'm curious to see what you think. The mutation thing seems to be one of the factors he uses in deciding on a program for each type, but how can Dr. D'Adamo be sure it's accurate? Feel free to reply during your copious amount of spare time! :o)
Namaste'
Cara
In Reply to: D'Adamo Blood Type Diet posted by Cara on April 14, 2001 at 00:40:11:
The blood type diet may work, but not for reasons that D'Adamo says. His whole theory is flawed because all 4 blood types existed together. The diet works because it rids one's diet of processed foods and common allergens like wheat, corn, soy, and shellfish. There is no evidence whatsoever that blood type plays a role in diet construction. I have seen type A's that thrived on a meat-centered diet and I have seen Type O's do just fine on wheat.
Tailoring your diet to your metabolism is a much more precise way of constructing a diet. Look in the archives under metabolic type.
In Reply to: Re: D'Adamo Blood Type Diet posted by bogus on April 14, 2001 at 23:50:16:
I've read through the archives on Hunter-Gatherer and Agriculturist, but how do I tell which metabolic type is mine? Did I miss some archives?
In Reply to: Re: D'Adamo Blood Type Diet posted by Cara on April 15, 2001 at 16:21:31:
There is information in the archives on how to do this. If you can't find it, I will explain for you. :) Take care
In Reply to: Re: D'Adamo Blood Type Diet posted by bogus on April 14, 2001 at 23:50:16:
Hello bogus.
I may agree that what you said makes some sense, but in no way do you (or I) know definitively that Dr. D'Adamo's theory is bogus. Parts of it may be, but you don't know that for sure, until you have numerous research proving otherwise. Yes, I've read the recent post which describes just what you said regarding the diet, and I had to admit, as a lay person, it sounded reasonable. But that is not exacly a mountain of research. I'll bet that Dr. D'Adamo can back up what he claims. Bottom line is, to date, we don't really know so please structure you responses that way.
Thanks.
Read the Atkins diet. Great stuff there. Read McDougall. Again, very compelling. And these MD/naturopathic/whatever scientists fight it out when they meet. They can't agree. At first I was kind of angry that I couldn't just follow one diet and know that it was "the right one". But that was stressful. I'm at peace now. (but still confused)
In Reply to: careful of your Blood Type Diet "Fact" posted by Pete R on April 16, 2001 at 09:08:12:
is the simple fact that all 4 blood types exisisted together. I have read reports from different experts in the field that agree that all 4 blood types existed together (New DNA technology can examine the remains of early humans and can determine their diet AND their blood types. Also, there are hundreds of different blood types to consider. Just this simple fact negates D'Adamo's theory that the blood types developed over thousands of years. First off, how would he know that? Was he there? Second, lectins have been found to be dismantled by the digestive system. Third, he cuts out the usual "garbage" foods eaten by our society. I agree that today more than ever, you shouldn't believe everything you read because "everyone" is an expert these days but I feel very strongly that the blood type diet is nothing more than a ploy to make money for its creator. It is too simple. "Your AB, oh, here's your diet". Doesn't metabolism, lifestyle, food allergies, genetics, body type, nutritional deficiencies or exercise capcacity play a role in determining diet? It seems that these factors are far more important than blood type. I guess you realize that D'Adamo basically says if your AB, you produce low stomach acid. As if it is a fact. Well, I am an AB and I cannot live without meat and I produce plenty of acid. There are too many variables that he cannot reproduce in the lab. That is the key point when it comes to diet. Can the results be re-produced over and over again? With regard to the blood type, I find the answer to be no. In fact, that is the problem with ALL diets including Mcdougall, Atkins, Ornish, and Barrett. The reason for the fighting comes back to my original point. Metabolism is a much more accurate way of determining diet. The reason the Atkins works for so many is because those people are fast oxidizers. The Mcdougall plan works best for those that are slow oxidizers and this is why each diet that seems completely opposite yet each has such a faithful following. Anyway, it was nice talking with you. Let me know what you think. I am always curious.
In Reply to: The proof I am going by................. posted by Bogus on April 16, 2001 at 11:37:45:
D'Adamo's genetics are pure BS. He makes it sound good and real slick but the truth is he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. His diet may indeed work for the reasons bogus cites, but for no other reasons than those. That's my opinion. I'm only a research geneticist, though, so I guess I better kiss D'Adamo's ass and have him teach me about molecular biology.
In Reply to: The proof I am going by................. posted by Bogus on April 16, 2001 at 11:37:45:
I still remain skeptical about ALL of it. The first time I read ER4YT, of course I wondered "how did he know type-O was first x-millions of years ago". I believe he cited some proof. Whatever. Lets assume thats false. I believe Dr. D also had good responses to those claims about lectins being destroyed by the digestive system. Again, who knows? Need more data.
The best reason how it might work I heard a little while back on this site regarded the suggestion that, given that most people have some form of LGS, the diet "avoids" are those foods which cause allergic reactions in all people.
I still believe that Dr. D is a very bright fellow. And, if you believe him, both he and his father spend many years testing various foods vs. blood types. I agree that it sounds too simple, and in many cases, may be just that, but I still feel that he must have at least something there.
But, the reason I left his site (an original member) was that I could see the commercialization creeping in. Being a republican, I have absolutely no problem with anyone making money with a new idea. But he has gone pretty far (Cook right, Live right,... blood-type prepackage foods). And while his empire was building, he withdrew from challenges to his theorys. Many a time, a good question was asked that seemed to contradict his diet. A good, technical question, regarding the lectin reaction and biochemestry, etc. I figured that, being an expert, which he is, he could answer the question in about 1 minute on the keyboard. So I became more skeptical... but still in my gut (no pun intended) feel that there is something there. Its a very interesting book to read and hope you have had a chance to read it.
I've also read Atkins, Zone, McDougal, Fit for Life, and others. I must be very gullible because they all make sense. I've also read much of McFerran's metabolic diet (you're not him are you?) and enjoyed the fights he had with Dr. D'Adamo.
My simpleton plan: pick a diet plan, use only Whole Foods within it, and if you get the desired results, you are at least on the right track. ... until they inevitibly find something wrong with it.
(And I'm not forgeting exercise and meditation in the plan)
Regards
Pete Reinhard
In Reply to: D'Adamo's science posted by geneticist on April 17, 2001 at 04:06:44:
You don't make a very convincing geneticist. Actually, you just sound like Bogus under a new name. Aside from that, I seriously doubt any "molecular geneticist" would honestly hang around this bulletin board. So, if you are real, you'll have no problem sharing your real name and place where you do your "research." Then we can all evaluate your degree of objectivity. In the meantime I suggest you consider toning it down a bit, since you never make your own opinions any more convincing by denigrating someone elses.
In Reply to: Hey "geneticist" posted by Jim on April 18, 2001 at 10:34:03:
Jim,
D'Adamo knows no more about molecular biology than you yourself apparently know about hard science. In fact, I am what I state I am. Give me a good reason, Jim. Why wouldn't a geneticist lurk on this board? Don't GENETICISTS have health problems too? To restate my point, D'Adamo is full of shit. I have been to his "awesome" board and read one of his books. His references to specific genes refer to 1) genes that either don't exist or 2) perform different functions from those he ascribes to them. I remain unimpressed. His quasi-genetics couldn't withstand rigorous academic scrutiny. Look at it this way. If he pretends expertise on a molecular level it becomes impossible for me as a left brained type to buy his story.
No, I'm not Bogus. Read his or her ideas. They make sense. Yes, whether you like it or not, "Jim", I really am a GENETICIST. D'Adamo's diet may work for a certain percentage of the population, but not for the the reasons he describes. End of story.
GENETICIST
In Reply to: thanks for the follow-up posted by Pete R on April 18, 2001 at 09:04:49:
Everything you say makes sense. The removal of the allergenic foods is probably the best answer as you've said. No, I'm not Robert Mcferron but I know of him and his work here. The metabolic type diet goes much further than any of the diets we have talked about so far. It takes YOU into consideration and not "others" who have done well on their particular diet. If you are interested, go to the metabolic type diet archives and read up a bit if you haven't done so already. Take care
In Reply to: Hey "geneticist" posted by Jim on April 18, 2001 at 10:34:03:
sorry friend, but we are not the same person. I read your post to the geneticist fellow and saw your link at the bottom to "D'Adamo's truely awesome website" so it is obvious that you love his stuff. That's cool! All I am saying is that if you look really at what is going on, you may get just a slightly different picture. I mean, look at all the foods he says to leave out (wheat, corn, soy, milk, processed foods), these are the most common allergens in the American diet. No wonder people get results just by getting rid of them. This is what I would like to know. Maybe, since you are such a die-hard D'adamo fan, you can shed some light. Do you believe that if you got 100 Type AB's into one room and checked all of them, that 100% of them would have: Low stomach acid, Low segretory IgA, and intolerances to chicken? I think you know the answer. However, if I took 100 "fast oxidizers" and put them in one room, I would bet my wallet that 100% of them would benefit from a higher protein/fat diet. Do you see the difference between blood type and metabolic type?
In Reply to: Re: My opinion stands posted by geneticist on April 18, 2001 at 11:13:57:
Really? Which genes are different? Kindly share that with us. Where did you graduate? Where do you work? You my friend are a fraud! You are no more a "geneticist' than I am George Bush or Walt is Mother Theresa.
Take your poison somewhere else. We are trying to learn here.
In Reply to: Re: My opinion stands posted by geneticist on April 18, 2001 at 11:13:57:
Geneticist my eye. You only wish. Do you take us for fools? A geneticist who believes in William Kellys metabolic typing. That'll be the day. You'll have to lie better than that dude.
In Reply to: D'Adamo's science posted by geneticist on April 17, 2001 at 04:06:44:
Ya' don't, I say, ya' don't call yerself a geneticist, confound it, ya' call yerself a molekuler fizizist. I got me lottsa big ole letters after may name tew. Made 'em rite up, jest like yew.
All this talk about geneticists reminds me, I say, it reminds me of Paul Revere's ride. A little light in the belfry, if ya know what I mean. A molekuler fizizist like yerself is like a tattoo...get under your skin, I say. Go away ya bother me. 'Bout as sharp as a bowling ball.
Isay I keep a pitchin' em and they keep missin' em.
In Reply to: Re: thanks for the follow-up posted by Bogus on April 18, 2001 at 12:11:41:
Hello folks,
I read carefully Dr. D'Adamo's book and Robert Mc Ferran work's and many discussions here about diet. Personnaly, I tend to believe that the lectin theory is valid, but it has probably only a very little effect on people with very healthy guts. I personnaly known at least two persons in my familly who eliminated very bad symptoms when they started to avoid some of their bad lectin foods (chicken for a B type for example). However, the lectins theory and metabolism question are two seperated things. In ER4YT book, you will notice that the only grain that contains a bad lectin for an O type in wheat. On the other side, there is no meat containing bad lectins for an A. The lectin theory is certainly not the base on which Dr. D'Adamo classify the O's as meat eater and A as vegetarian.
Among the population, there is probably a good correlation between blood type and metabolism, but obviously there is no garanty it will tell you for sure. I am a living proof that it doesn't work because I feel better on an extreme H-G diet and my blood type is A. I cannot simply tolerate any whole grain nor vegetable oil of any type. It is sad that Dr. D'Adamo doesn't try to find an explanation for these large proportion of exceptions, in which I am, instead of just ignoring and/or hiding that fact. He is being just corrupted by the money or too haughty to admit his theory is not reliable.
I know that Dr. Stoll is an O that live better on a near vegetarian diet. I wonder if he cares about the lectins.
Walt, do you avoid wheat and the other bad lectins for your type?
Thanks
Serge
In Reply to: ^------If this idiot is a "geneticist" then I'm posted by Krusty The Clown on April 19, 2001 at 19:15:36:
See comment to Jim.
In Reply to: You are a fraud! posted by Jim on April 19, 2001 at 17:35:21:
If I'm a fraud then nothing I say will convince you about anything. No big deal. May I suggest that you read D'Adamo's tripe, find the genes he cites, and then take them to a molecular biologist of your choice and ask what the genes' function is? Be prepared to take a box of kleenex when the guffaws and yowls start. I'll accept your apology later.
In Reply to: ER4YT, and question for Walt. posted by Serge C. on April 19, 2001 at 21:30:36:
Hi< Serge.
I agree that Peter claims more for his theory than it will bear. I have said this many times on this BB and to Peter himself.
My only concern is that eventually his information will be a case of "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" when people begin to realize that he only has a part of the truth.
Personally I believe that every person (at the present state of the art of dietary science) has to try many different approaches to diet (doing each one as perfectly as he can) in order the let his personal laboratory (his bodymind) tell him which works best for him.
The tests to do this prediction have not yet been developed!
Hope this helps.
Walt
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