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Is anything good for you????..I finally buy some flax seed oil after reading all the great stuff it does for the human body..and then before i start taking it i decide to do alitle bit more research and come across reports that it can promote some kinds of cancer or cancer tumors can feed off it and grow faster..or something like that...Then i read all this great stuff about B5 and how it helps acne so i go buy some B5..and now people are posting all the bad side effects its causeing....WHAT GIVES MAN???..
In Reply to: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Tony. on May 29, 2001 at 10:50:47:
We are all in the same boat as you. Nothing in life is perfect! You take chances with everything, so educate yourself to the best of your ability to protect yourself from possible harm. As far as B5, most of us on this board who have tried it have not been taking it long enough to have been able to tell you right off what may happen from it. I just posted my comments below.
Weigh your risks and benefits. The jury is still out on so many things - supplements especially I'd say. I guess I'm one of the B5 guinea pigs.
In Reply to: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Tony. on May 29, 2001 at 10:50:47:
I have read similar things and I weigh the risks or
potential ones I may read about compared to any benefits. If
the item does nothing for me I can see I probably avoid it.
VF
In Reply to: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Tony. on May 29, 2001 at 10:50:47:
Tony consider my comments to cd in the earlier post on pantothenic acid.
In Reply to: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Tony. on May 29, 2001 at 10:50:47:
post the links that about flax promoting cancer, etc. I've heard this before, but have never seen the actual studies.
I can produce PAGES of abstracts that will say just the opposite. Of course long term omega-3 fatty supplementation also requires vitamin E supplementation, otherwise the omega-3's kinda act like omega-6's and I wonder if this is what is happening in these studies?
I would love to see this info since I couldn't find any of the studies when I went looking.
In Reply to: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Tony. on May 29, 2001 at 10:50:47:
nmi
In Reply to: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Tony. on May 29, 2001 at 10:50:47:
Evening Primrose, Borage, GLA, EPA???
Whose the oil expert here????
Help!!!!
In Reply to: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Tony. on May 29, 2001 at 10:50:47:
Tony. I feel like LT, I have never found anything of the sort you are talking about on flax oil. Please post with the source. I would appreciate it. Good luck
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Davetx on May 29, 2001 at 22:36:52:
I am not Dave, but here is a site from Dr. Mercola's website.
Paul C.
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Davetx on May 29, 2001 at 22:36:52:
I had read something about Flax and I think it was just
that it can cause prostrate problems in men. Can't remember
details or where i read it but it will come back to me. It
was a Dr talking about a study.
VF
In Reply to: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Tony. on May 29, 2001 at 10:50:47:
I wouldn't get too depressed. Or, if you do get depressed, don't get to the point of being suicidal =)
When I posted about B5 it was just to let everyone know what I think it had done to me(I can't be sure the pantothenic acid was even the cause, though I think the evidence is good enough). However, there are several others on this site who aren't experiencing any of the side-effects I listed, so if I were you I'd still go for it. The only other complaints about B5 that I've heard are about some minor dryness and bloating, but nothing compared to what I experienced. A good example of someone who seems to only be benfiting from the vitamin is kmd. Who knows, maybe your B5 experience will be like hers?
My purpose was just to point out what could possibly happen. If you start experiencing what I experienced while I was taking B5, then at least you'll know what's causing it.
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Paul C. on May 30, 2001 at 00:47:28:
Paul C. I guess it is a matter of interpretation, but no one can take everything. Flax does spoil, but so does most everything I know of. But you need to know the difference between spoiled and good. Spoiled or tainted flax oil is a big problem, but so is spoiled meat. It is true that some people can not digest flax very good, and they will know it quickly. I read that he is not to high on fish oil either, because of mercury etc. I read this as his ideals of the problems of both if they dissagree with you. I personally can not take fish oils and do not know why. Good luck
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Peter B on May 29, 2001 at 14:31:44:
Perhaps we can take this as reminder of the importance of Dr. Stoll's basic message here. It is NOT what you take; it is what you DO. Even though we have become skeptical of allopathic medicine, we still retain allopathic sensibilities about our health: we are still looking for the magic pill that will solve our problems, e.g., the b5, the flax oil, etc. Some of us here look at accutane with suspicion - but because we don't need a prescription for b5, we are willing to subject ourselves to massive quantities of this vitamin without any evidence of its safety in those mega-doses.
Perhaps we shouldn't look to b5 or flax seed oil or anything else to be our savior. Only what we do can save us in the long run.
Paul C.
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Davetx on May 30, 2001 at 01:14:11:
Davetx,
Yes, you are definitely right that everything spoils, but everything doesn't spoil at the same rate. Flax oil of course turns rancid quickly. Dr. Mercola's suspicion is that virtually all flax oil is rancid the moment that you get it (why most people don't like the taste according to Dr. Mercola), and that is the reason why most people don't tolerate flax oil well.
He recommends fish oil because most people - not all - tolerate these better. Myself, I developed a sensitivity to fish oil because I overused the fish oil and ate too much salmon. As for the mercury, according to Dr. Mercola, you can deal with this by using chlorella.
I originally had a sensitivity to flax oil, but I don't any more. I attribute this to improved health and nutrition. I am taking more C and E, but what has been most critical has been taking a high-quality magnesium supplement. I didn't notice any substantial improvement in my health until I switched to magnesium aspartate and glycinate; this has included an improved tolerance to things like dairy, wheat, and flax oil. (I plan to reintroduce fish again, perhaps I will have success again!)
In any case, you are right. It is not a question of which is good or bad, only a question of what works best for you.
And good luck to you too!
Paul C.
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Paul C. on May 30, 2001 at 01:41:02:
Paul C. I wish you the best in your journey to wellness, At one time 6 years ago I was sensitive to just about everything, but thru constant work and testing different things, I can truly say now I am only sensitive to refined sugar, dairy products(not all) and a little to wheat products. You have to read and try things that work for you. Good luck.
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by cd on May 30, 2001 at 00:57:28:
CD,
Thanks for your original post. I think it was an important contribution, a reminder of potential problems with this under-researched protocol.
Was your doctor able to pinpoint the likely deficiencies that caused your problems? (I have seen some speculations about taurine in this thread, but that doesn't seem to make much sense to me. The article about taurine describes how excess b5 can inhibit taurine, but it doesn't describe any taurine deficiency syndromes resembling yours.)
Paul C.
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil...how about other oils???? posted by QT on May 29, 2001 at 21:34:43:
Info on home page. Read the labels. Udo Erasmus is as good as any expert.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Paul C. on May 30, 2001 at 01:15:39:
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Davetx on May 29, 2001 at 22:36:52:
http://www.gnc.com/wellness/natpharm/supp/flaxseed.htm
I,m new with this supplement stuff..so i read something like this and it kinda freaks me out..
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Paul C. on May 30, 2001 at 00:47:28:
Chinese herbal medicine: I've heard that one way to tell
if your body is done with an herbal remedy is, if it starts
to taste GOOD your body has had enough. And, bitters
are well, bitter-but they're good for you...
I think Dr. Mercola is off the mark with his comment
about things that taste good are the only thing your body
needs.
Anyone else?
p.s. flax oil hasn't bothered me in the least-guess I"m
lucky but I take pills. Thanks for the info, I did not know
the oil gets rancid quickly. I take a weeks worth of
supplements to work with me and I wonder if the flax is
suffering for it? I don't get indigestion or anything...pls
let me know, thanks!
Lauri
In Reply to: if it tastes bad, don't eat it?? I don't get it posted by lauri on May 30, 2001 at 14:39:52:
I think you have a good point there. I'm taking artichoke bitters and at first I almost gagged...now there's no reaction at all. They still don't taste good but I can tolerate them : )
In Reply to: Re: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Paul C. on May 30, 2001 at 00:47:28:
yes, you gotta be careful if you have bad flax and regular users should be able to tell if that's the case. (I grind seeds daily, so I don't know how the oil should taste.)
And I do agree that some people don't convert as well as others, but flax has lignans, which the fish oil doesn't have. In the best of worlds, a good source of both would be optimal.
But the taste issue, I have to disagree with -- I don't like the taste of all sorts of things that are good for me. However, as a practical viewpoint, if the patient won't eat it cuz it tastes bad, then it certainly won't help. That's when you find a different source.
Thanks for posting this though Paul -- it's good to be aware of these issues. If anyone does find studies on this topic, would be interested in reading them....
In Reply to: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Tony. on May 29, 2001 at 10:50:47:
Tony,
If you are trying to find a way to help your skin, I have some non-drastic suggestions.
I was actually going to go out and buy the pantothenic acid, but thank God that the lady at the whole foods market said that it didn't go well with her intuition. She gave me Burdock Root instead. NOt that I'm telling you to risk your health on anybody's "intuition" but I think that when your common sense says "10 grams? Isn't that a bit extreme?", chances are it is probably excessive to the point of harm.
What people are saying is right. It isn't anything we can take, but it is what we do. I started the wellness, and now all my problems are really starting to go away (indigestion, yeast infection, acne, anxiety).
If taking something makes you feel better -- like you're being proactive about your problems (because I know it makes me feel better, even if what I take may only be a placebo pill) -- then I suggest you drink Green Tea once or twice a day. Do a detox with herbs (which you can purchase at any health or whole foods store). You can also drink some soy milk. In terms of external application, yes I'm still using Benzoyl Peroxide -- but I'm working my way to total independence one step at a time. Aloe Vera has helped me immensely for getting rid of blemishes and scars and healing them faster. These you know can never really harm you. I'm Chinese and my ancestors have done ALL for centuries without harm but only benefit. But they never took any of them in EXTREME AMOUNTS.
Remember that these things you "take" are only things you do on top of SR, exercise, and diet. As a testimony, I'll just tell you that doing yoga, eating many greens (it helps you draw out the toxins), and getting my heart beat up and my pores open for 20 minutes -- these are the miracle workers.
I've tried many things (the extreme of which was to stupidly take antibiotics for half a year...which gave me candidiasis), but only this has worked. Safely. And is nursing me back to health. It takes time, but I am really beginning to like the lifestyle change. I am almost a different person than I was just two months ago.
Best of wishes.
In Reply to: if it tastes bad, don't eat it?? I don't get it posted by lauri on May 30, 2001 at 14:39:52:
Lauri,
I think Mercola's statement about taste is excessive and overly generalized, but he might in fact have a point with flax oil. Because flax oil goes rancid so extremely quickly, there is a good chance that the flax oil is already slightly rancid the moment you open the product. And the bad taste of the flax oil might in fact be an indication of this.
Proper handling is essential. Flax oil needs to be refrigerated or frozen to optimize freshness. I store mine in the freezer - even open bottles. If your workplace has a refrigerator, I would store them there. If you are not already doing so, you should take vitamins C and E along with your flax oil to minimize the effects of oxidation.
I hope this helps.
Paul C.
In Reply to: alternatives that aren't as extreme posted by Jeannie on May 30, 2001 at 17:48:56:
Thanks Jeannie, that really helped alot..those are some good tips...I,m new with all this stuff..=)
In Reply to: Flax seed oil....B5....How depressing. posted by Tony. on May 29, 2001 at 10:50:47:
Tony,
I don't know about flax oil CAUSING cancers, but I personally know of four people whose cancers have gone into remission in the past year after they started eating flax oil and cottage cheese...one prostate cancer and three breast cancers, one so advanced the woman was making plans for her funeral. Coincidence? Maybe, but I try to add a tablespoonful of flax oil to my food each day. Having said that, I couldn't agree more about the conflicting information that's all over the internet. Soy is another one that is either a miracle food or poison, depending on whose stuff you read.
Ya makes yer choices, and ya takes yer chances.
Vicki
In Reply to: if it tastes bad, don't eat it?? I don't get it posted by lauri on May 30, 2001 at 14:39:52:
Hi, Lauri.
This is a good example of how a little information about a complex situation can give negative results.
There is a whole body of literature about taste determining what the person needs. As a matter of fact, a highly successful cancer clinic in Europe ONLY does that.
The problem is that the foods must be organic and whole before this works--and nothing else must be available.
You have heard the old adage that if you put a baby on a smorgasbord that it would eat what it needed and be perfectly healthy. THIS IS ONLY TRUE IF THE FOODS ARE ORGANIC AND WHOLE FOODS!!! It cannot work if the foods are refined. They still have most of the taste that the body uses to draw it to what it needs of the micronutrients that food contains. However, few of those micronutrients remain after refining.
The reasons for this have ben discussed on this BB for years. A short summary is in the salt archives.
Walt
In Reply to: alternatives that aren't as extreme posted by Jeannie on May 30, 2001 at 17:48:56:
Jeannie,
I've noticed the same thing with exercise and acne, but it has to be something that makes me sweat or else it doesn't work. Nutrition also helps a lot, but where I lack is SR. I do a lot of yoga, but I know it's not the same as SR. What have you found that works for you because I'm at a loss when it comes to finding SR.
Thanks,
Ali
In Reply to: Re: alternatives that aren't as extreme posted by Ali on June 01, 2001 at 02:05:39:
There are herbs that are said to affect hormones. Black
Cohosh is said to produce estrogen and Dong Quai is said
to balance or regulate them.
VF
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