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I started seeing a nutritionist who advocated a food combining diet, massage and LOTS of FRUIT!! I was on it for 7 months and I finally had to get out. I was on a fruit breakfast, 3 glasses of fruit juice a day, dried fruits and bananas for snacks, and at least 3-4 fruits before bed. I have been battling severe candida for 8 years . Her theory was that the enzymes in the fruit were going to help my die-off and eliminating the candida by scrubbing the colon. She was very much against the standard cave man type diets to eliminate candida.
So here I am ....I thought I was getting better and now I am going through such intense die-off that I can hardly stand it. ANy suggestions for something that will offset the herxheimer reaction? (Symptoms have been: burning crawling skin, intene nauea and deep belching, burning and moving eyeballs, tender soles of feet, sunburn rash on belly comes and goes, nightsweats, feeling like I am dying, intense pain in joints and head and neck bones, itching all over)
I am starting a new rotational diet and some new products to kill the candida and rebuild my body. Back to square one.
What was this nutritionist thinking??
In Reply to: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by KL on October 09, 2001 at 17:36:17:
This nutritionist is not compitent in the least! This person has no clue how to treat a candida problem. Enzymes can be obtained without eating all of that fruit. Your diet should consist of organic poultry, beef, organ meats, game, vegetables, 1-2 pieces of fruit per day, nuts, seeds and a modest amount of legumes, grains, cold-pressed oils and butter. You cannot have a candida problem if you are not eating refined foods (or a diet high in starches and fruits). If you need more enzymes, try cultured dairy products, cultured vegetables like saurkraut, sprouted grains and legumes. Order "Nourishing tradiions" by Sally Fallon. Go to www.westonaprice.org to learn about "traditional diets".
You will need to get on an herbal antifungal program. go into the archives into candida. I have posted many times regarding protocols for fostering the removal of candida. If after reading this, you have any questions, feel free to ask.
Don't get too wrapped up in "food combining" diets. The biggest offenders are concentrated starches and proteins. Other than that, don't worry about it.
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by Helping You on October 09, 2001 at 20:14:42:
You mentioned sprouted grains...I have a bread called Manna Bread and it is all sprouted grains and no yeast or sugar. Acceptable??
What are the "concentrated" starches and proteins?
Red potatoes acceptable?
Thanks you for helping..
In Reply to: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by KL on October 09, 2001 at 17:36:17:
Hi, KL.
I agree with Helping You. This nutritionist may know nutrition but knows very little (if anything) about treating candida.
When your LGS and candida is gone you may eventually be able to add fruits back into your diet with no problem.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by KL on October 09, 2001 at 17:36:17:
You may want to try the Specific Carbohydrate diet http://scdiet.com (either that or .org). It allows certain foods but NO grain, certain legumes, certain dairy products, no canned foods, no potatoes, beets & carrots are OK, fruit is OK, etc.
I don't think that fruit is bad for candida GENERALLY. If fruit causes bloating or mucous in the stools then a person definitely has issues to deal with before eating fruit regularly (IMHO). They may need to temporarily stop fruit and eat a bunch of daily garlic to *clean out* for a few days first.
I eat 2 protein/vegetable meals daily for breakfast & lunch, and usually fruit or vegetables for supper - I mean mostly non sweet fruit like apples, peaches, grapefruit, kiwi's, etc. If fruit is eaten 1)only when hungry 2) by itself 3) only fresh, not dried or cooked, then it *should* be fine.
We're all different. Fruit has cleansing and alkalizing properties. You need to look at the big picture - the long term effects of eating fruit. Raw fruit takes 30 minutes to digest. Animal proteins take several hours to digest. I eat animal proteins daily but not in excess.
Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Fruit is IMHO best eaten late in the day. Don't eat fruit all day long. Maybe it would be better to just eat fruit late in the day, and not too much sweet fruit. I rarely eat bananas, but they'd be OK in moderation, one every now & then. Fruit is alkaline forming and alaline is what you want to be late in the day, before sleep.
That's my 2 cents. If fruit causes symptoms, back off or cut it out. Cutting fruit out doesn't help me a bit. I have a deficiency of good flora in my gut that I'm going to feed Primal Defense for 3 months. Fruit is very easily digested, and don't forget, fruit feeds good bacteria too (so I've been told).
Too much protein = health problems. Candida and parasites loves an acid environment. Look at the big picture. Read the SCDiet.
Mike V.
In Reply to: Re: What about sprouted grains? posted by KL on October 10, 2001 at 08:49:01:
Any bread that contains "sprouted Grains" is acceptable as long as you are no sensitive or allergic to the grain used. Sprouted soursough bread is made by a natural leavening process and is even more beneficial.
Concentrated starches are pretty much any vegetable that grows underground (carrots are less starchy than potatoes) plus breads, pastas, grains. This includes ALL potatoes.
The problem with this type of diet (food combining), is that it forces you to eat protein with vegetbales (perfectly acceptable) and starches with vegetables and THIS is where we run into problems. Without added protein and fat to the meal, the food is absorbed rather quickly creating a high-insulin response. This will make you feel jittery at first with increased energy, but will crash you later as your blood sugar is sent EVEN lower to compensate for the initial rise. So, to get away with improper food combinations, I suggest eating like this:
Example meal - 30-35% protein source (chicken?)
30% non-starch vegetable (broccoli?)
30% fat source (butter, olive oil?)
5-10% starch (bread, pasta, starchy-veg)
This way, you are not eating enough starch to cause a problem yet you are getting a slight lift from the food. Eat the protein food first. Eat the non-starchy veg. with fat 2nd, and eat the starch last. This way, the protein has had a chance to break down in the lower stomach while the starch is being digested in the upper stomach. Since there is evidence that suggests humans can break down proteins and starches together anyway, it kind of makes the whole diet futile. where the diet DOES make sense, is in regards to the starches. humans did not reply upon starches all that much for energy (our ancestors). Since our genes are still the same, we are eating somewhat against our genes. Therefore, eating any significant amount of concentrated starch is going against what we were meant to eat. I hope this helps
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by Walt Stoll on October 10, 2001 at 09:50:26:
Yes, thank you so much!
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by Mike V. on October 10, 2001 at 11:01:20:
THanks so much for your response. I will look at this. I know some people with minor candida problems can handle fruit, and others cannot. Some docs say yes, some say no. What I really want to understand is this: Does the fructose in fruit feed the candida? I know Doc Crook says no, along with most of the info I have read.
Perhaps none for several months, then slowly add them back again in moderation...hmmm??
Thank you again for taking the time to write...
KL
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by KL on October 10, 2001 at 14:15:58:
Oops, I meant that Doc Crook and other DO say that the candida is fed by fructose in fruit...
sorry..
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by Mike V. on October 10, 2001 at 11:01:20:
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by KL on October 10, 2001 at 14:15:58:
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by KL on October 10, 2001 at 14:17:32:
There's many opinions out there.
Increasing the intercellular pH of the body will improve your health some good sources say. That's why I say to look at the big picture. don't eat too much protein and acidify your body too much. Fruit is one of the best alkalizers there is.
It's about balance. I like to try to eat 80% alkalizing foods, and about 20% acid forming proteins.
Eating fruit probably is not how you got candida problems, and omitting it from your diet will not get rid of it. Some may have to temporarily.
Mike
In Reply to: KL, this was recently addressed. Scroll down to Dave's post of 10/05/01. NMI posted by Alison on October 10, 2001 at 14:27:27:
Thank you.
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by MV on October 10, 2001 at 17:06:02:
The main thing IMHO is - keep an open mind. Get advice from many people.
I've cheated myself out of fruit and other very healthy foods for *years* and later learned that I did it for no good reason. Enjoy your food, whatever you eat. If fruit seems to settle well with you, it probably is helping you.
Crook's 1985 book recommends a lot of grains, puffed cereals, etc. That stuff is baaaad for anyone with digestive problems IMHO.
Do some web surfing and more reading.
Breaking the Vicious Cycle may be a good book to read for you.
In Reply to: Mike, since when is a peach a "non-sweet" fruit? NMI posted by Alison on October 10, 2001 at 14:24:07:
1 peach - 10 grams carbohydrate
1/2 a grapfruit - 14 grams
1 small apple - 15 grams carb
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by Mike V. on October 10, 2001 at 11:01:20:
MikeV If you can keep your total carbs below 100 grams a day preferable around 75 grams a day you can wipe candida. But over 100 grams a day most folks are in for a long haul. I think you meant to say candida and parasites love alkaline gut not acid. They can not live in acid gut very well. This is one of the reasons if you take antacids or prilosec candida thrives. Good luck
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by Davetx on October 11, 2001 at 00:18:01:
I think that an acid gut is good, but I'm looking at the big picture, the long term intercellular pH of my body. Eating acid producing proteins, grains,etc., lowers the intercellular pH of the body. Candida nad parasites thrive when the body is too acid. I'm talkng about the pH of the body. I take betaine with my 2 protein meals every day, and never count grams of carbohydrate I eat daily. I listen to my body. I've been dealing with intestinal dysbiosis for 16 years now. Low carb diets are a thing in my past. I don't eat sugar. I follow the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. The carbs I eat are 100% digested and leave no residue behind to feed pathogens. Read "Breaking the Vicious Cycle".
Read "Alkalize or Die" by Baroody, The Calcium Factor by Robert Barefoot, or Acid and Alkaline by Herman Iahara. Good luck.
In Reply to: Re: What about sprouted grains? posted by Helping You on October 10, 2001 at 12:47:30:
Thanks, Helping You.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by MV on October 11, 2001 at 08:13:06:
"I listen to my body. I've been dealing with intestinal dysbiosis for 16 years now."
. .maybe you should turn the hearing aid up?
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by MV on October 11, 2001 at 08:13:06:
MV, Well As everyone knows everyone is different and reacts differently, but I suffered for 20 years with the problem ( information was not available like it is now) and it was not until 5 years ago that I tried something different, and that was 75 to 100 grams of carbs a day, no matter what it was in or came from and I beat it within 6 to 8 months with other help of course. Good luck
In Reply to: Re: Fruits on the Candida Diet?? posted by Davetx on October 11, 2001 at 23:25:42:
Yes, everybody's different.
I'm very sorry if I gave out poor information again. Thanks for the good luck! I might survive a few more weeks.
MV
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