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Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help

Posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 18, 2007 at 10:12:16:

I have come to the conclusion that Iím dysautonomic from what I have learned on this site and your book. I am now very familiar with this site and the concepts. I have practiced SR and aerobic exercise diligently for well over a year now, but have not seen much improvement. It has kept me off starting on anti anxiety meds, but I may be at the point where I need something. My major complaints are adrenaline rush (heart pounding) after eating, and as of late, insomnia, which is not good, since I have hypertension. I am on Metoprolol (beta blocker) and Diovan (Angiotensin 2 receptor antagonist) for the hypertension. I also have tremendous fatigue and exhaustion, which has improved slightly. I have now started the PWFD and eliminated all allergenic foods (IgG, from blood test) as well. I am into the second week of the diet, but really donít see much improvement. I am more relaxed however I donít know if thatís due to the diet, or the 3 week vacation I just came off of. I used the last week of vacation to begin the diet.

I really donít know how long Iíll be able to continue working as I just feel terrible. I had uncontrollable hunger before the diet, but itís worse since starting the diet as Iím eating less calories, and trying not eat too many carbs to decrease the adrenaline rush after eating. The adrenaline rush does not appear to be food specific, but is worsened by eating more carbs. After work I used to nap to help relax me, but I currently have real difficulty in dozing off after work, and now itís becoming a problem at night. My cardiologist thinks Iím a bit crazy, but I know Iím not. Cardio-wise, everything is OK except for the hypertension and PVCís. I did the magnesium IVís last year, but thatís a whole story in itself. I know Iím throwing a bunch of random statements out here, but Iím desperate. I have never certified my SR, but I get many symptoms of the relaxation response while doing it (facial muscles relax, hands and feet go numb, etc).

Iím in the process of compiling my whole heath history to post up, but itís not finished yet, and I need some help now. Now that Iím doing all three legs, will it just take time for me to improve, or is there something else Iím missing. I feel that with this heart pounding problem, Iím just too far gone, and may not be able to get well. Iím only 31 years old, and feel like my life is over. I would really appreciate your help.

Thank You,

Fed up



Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help

Posted by labrat [1119.4162] on September 18, 2007 at 12:28:22:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 18, 2007 at 10:12:16:

It seems to me from your description that this is diet related. I am sorry to tell you that many of those blood tests are not really accurate...the best way to find your food allergies is to actually do an elimination diet. The fatigue is a symptom of food allergy. What are you eating now?

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Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help

Posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 18, 2007 at 14:09:20:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help posted by labrat [1119.4162] on September 18, 2007 at 12:28:22:

The test was done by Immunolabs which have 94% accuracy. My doctor feels very confident with them, they have the best repeatability with results, and they have been doing food allergy (IgG) testing for many years. Since I'm on the PWFD, the only carbs I eat are potatoes, sweet potatoes (both with peel), brown rice, and yucca. I also eat various lentils. I have not eaten wheat for over a year due to intolerance and allergy nor do I consume any gluten.

Fed up

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Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.4162] on September 18, 2007 at 22:04:36:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 18, 2007 at 10:12:16:

Hi Fed,

Keep doing the SR and exercise. About the diet, I agree with labrat not to trust the lab tests but to actually experiment with foods.

I felt a lot better after I went off all fruit, too.

In my journey with dysautonomia, the 3LS took me to a certain level, then it wasn't enough.... although it was helpful to continue doing it (and it still is).

The next step for me was taking nutritional supplements in megadoses. It's called Orthomolecular nutrition and I advise you read "The Brain Chemistry Plan" by Michael Lesser to start with. He gives clues about which supplements to take. Again, I had to figure out which ones to take by trial and error, just like with the food.

You'll be able to get well. You just have to find the right things, and the right combination of them. Continue with the 3LS because it is the foundation for health, then keep trying other potentially helpful things.

My entire life has changed from doing all of this, I can only encourage you to keep working on it.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on September 19, 2007 at 07:15:15:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 18, 2007 at 10:12:16:

Hi, Fed up.

Of course, my first suggestion will be getting your SR technique checked out with biofeedback. If it has been working you should have at least noted a lot of improvement by now. Listen to Jan and even labrat could have the handle on this. Even if this IS the most important thing, the LGS and subsequent dysautonomia, would be the underlying mechanism.

Walt



Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help

Posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 19, 2007 at 08:06:51:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on September 19, 2007 at 07:15:15:

Does that mean if my heart pounds (adrenaline rush) after eating a certain food, i'm sensitive to that food. Would that be an IgG reaction, or is that a leaky gut reaction? Problem is my heart pounds after eating anything if the quantity is high enough, except for maybe fruit, which i dont eat anyway since starting the PWFD. The pounding starts immediately after eating, before the food could enter my stomach and intestines and leak through. I have experienced a leaky gut reaction with wheat, where i get tremendous brain fog, and my heart beats highly irregularly and violently. That would begin about 30 minutes after eating. My doc says that is a leaky gut reaction, because an IgG reaction would take 2 hours to 3 days to manifest itself. What i experience with other foods is just my heart pounding. If everything I eat causes this pounding what am i supposed to do to resolve this? Is this something that will decrease with time, or do foods have to be eliminated? I will certify my SR to be sure i'm doing it right.



Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.4162] on September 19, 2007 at 08:17:36:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 19, 2007 at 08:06:51:

Hi Fed Up,

I can't say for sure what's going on with you, although I've had something similar. The enteric nervous system regulates the gut, and I've learned from experience that even though it can act independently from the autonomic nervous system (ANS), when my ANS is stressed, the enteric nervous system is set off very easily. There's some kind of vicious cycle or loop to them.

For me, resolving this took three approaches: 1) the 3LS to keep the ANS calm 2) visceral manipulation (working with the nerve sheathes especially) to calm down the enteric nervous system 3) regulating what I eat.

Basically, you need to be working on all fronts.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes,
Jan



Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help

Posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 19, 2007 at 08:38:16:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.4162] on September 19, 2007 at 08:17:36:

thanks for responding. i really thought once i started the PWFD and eliminated all IgG reactions, the adrenaline rushes would begin to subside. it's like im so stressed and braced that any normal activity, even eating becomes stressful. you are so right, my enteric nervous system is set off real easy. could rolfing help with this? i was hoping to postpone the rolfing until i could resolve the adrenaline rushes, thinking that the adrenaline rushes could diminish my gains from rolfing. where would i go for visceral manipulation?

Thanks again,

Fed up



Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.4162] on September 19, 2007 at 10:55:25:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 19, 2007 at 08:38:16:

Hi Fed Up,

My rolfer was also trained in visceral manipulation. Actually I went to her for the visceral work because my enteric nervous system (ENS) had my GI tract a mess. She was so skilled at the visceral work, that I then had her do the rolfing 10 series. It took my health to a whole new level.

However, I still need to keep doing the 3LS.

Google visceral manipulation or Upledger Institute (where they teach it) to find a practitioner. Alternately, you could call the Rolf Institute and see if they can refer you to someone who knows both rolfing and v.m.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on September 20, 2007 at 07:06:36:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 19, 2007 at 08:06:51:

Fed,

Probably both.

Listen to Jan.

Walt

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A Cure for Costochondritis/Dysautonomia Believe it or Not!!

Posted by ALIATON [7043.2842] on September 23, 2007 at 06:55:48:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - dysautonomia - need help posted by Fed up with being sick [899.2842] on September 18, 2007 at 10:12:16:

Hi everybody!!

I will try to make my story short, but please try to keep your mind open.

My story with costochondritis started two years ago, my symptoms started to get worse day by day to the point in which I could hardly breathe. Since the beginning I realized that costo is really associated with stress and more specifically with Anxiety.

I went through the process of trying many things without any result. However, thus far, after two years I could find combinations of things that started to work miracles with my costo:
1)
Relaxation with Entrainment, Hemi-Sync/Brain-Sync, alpha/gamma/theta w/Fractals. Do your own web search, you will find many online music to download music of this type. Dr Skoll is right about this theory. There is some research about this topic that you can use to support these claims. Binaural beats and in general entrainment music both help a lot in aligning the frequencies of you pituaitary and hypothalamus. These two glands are a key part in the success of the treatment, but under my experience they are just part of the puzzle. I will try to do the missing correlation later.

2)
Diet is extremely important, here the most important is that you gotta balance your diet in terms of anti-inflammatory and pro-inflamatory diet. You know about this stuff: Eat whatever you want but Eat good sources of omega 3 (anti-inflammatory) and reduce you pro-inflammatory sources (omega 6) such as red meats. One extremely important factor is "balance". In my case, I have learnt that when you avoid meat strictly, in fact you are starving your glandular/endocrine system and you need your endocrine system in pretty good shape in order to avoid costochondritis. I suggest to read a book called "Nutritional Balancing and Hair Mineral Analysis by Lawrence Wilson M.D. He explains that one aspect of what makes you different in terms of your physiology is your oxidation rate (the rate at which you burn your food). There are slow oxidators, fast oxidators and mix of them. Once you know your type, you will understand which diet is ok for you. In my case, I was a slow oxidator due to adrenal/thyroid fatigue caused by severals mistakes through my life. If you are a slow oxidator (when the cause is due to adrenal exhaustion), then you need more meat because meat is a very complex food which contains not only proteins but several nutrients that are required to balance your glands, so when you follow a strict vegetarian food actually you are scrubbing your glands including your adrenals. Other types of oxidators can hold on a vegetarian diet without a problem. One rule highly recommended to be followed is avoidance of wheat and refined sugars.
Another factor is: Please take out the damn coffee out of your life, this is evil for costochondritis.
Now, I have mentioned the adrenals, they are another piece of the puzzle, I will explain later.

Be careful with "healthy diets", what you think is healthy may not be because of your allergies and digestive intolerances. I recommend reading a book called FOOD ALLERGIES AND FOOD INTOLERANCES. You may be allergic and produce digestive intolerances to several herbs (mainly if you have exhausted adrenals)

3)
I have discovered that the adrenals are one of the keys to eliminate costo. Why?, do your own research, you will discover several clues all of them pointing toward the adrenals. I have no space here to list them all, but in fact what has caused your costo has in fact caused your adrenal fatigue. Some of the causes include stress, anxiety, coffee, etc. I am following a protocol with several herbs, supplements, vitamins and minerals (the book mentioned list some of them) to rebuild my adrenals & thyroid glands. Thus far very good result. Your costochondritis is caused due to a misbalance of your immune system and your endocrine system. Your adrenals are one of the regulators of both (I cannot give many details here due to lack of space but I can shoot some of the clues found later).

4)
Now, I come back to what I mean the "correlation" of the pituitary/hypothalamus with the adrenals. Well, if you study the glands and the endocrine system in general, one finds that all of the glands work together in a closed loop, they feedback each other. With a little bit of logic, it is easy to realize that once one of the glands start to overwork then it will get exhausted (due to stress, anxiety, coffee, etc)then the rest of the glands start to overwork to create a balance until the stressed gland starts to recover. But what happens if the stressed gland never recovers?, then all of the glands start to overwork forever until they get exhausted. This is what happens in costochondritis, your immune system is attacking your cartilages due to the misbalance in the immune system and endocrine system (at the very general idea). If you haven't seen the correlation then go to 5. I do not know guys if any of you have experienced memory problems and lack of concentration. This is in part due to adrenals fatigue that in turn causes hypothalamus/pituitary exhaustion.

5)
Good attitude in front of the life.
It is very important to keep an emotional balance in your life and balance does not mean to be happy every moment of your life, only stupid or crazy people is happy all the time. The secret here is remain in the middle, that is, no sadness, no excess of happiness, no frustration, no depression, no irritation mental states, no anger and NEVER FORGET NO ANXIETY. This is what "remain in the middle" means. I know this is going to be almost impossible for many but it is achievable. Meditation and awareness are part of the puzzle. If you remain on the extreme side, then you will create addiction to the emotional states in that extreme side (even happiness) but if you remain in the middle you won't.

Homeopathy has a very deep understanding in the correlation of mental states and the effects of the organs. All of the mental states have a profound effect on your immune system and your endocrine system. Emotional states affect first the master (your brain) and your brain controls everything inside you including both immune and endocrine systems. Some studies have shown that stress, depression, anxiety affect your brain, hypothalamus and pituitary mainly, but other organs are affected such as the adrenals. Here the important part is that you understand that your emotions (the psychic) affect the physical part of you and vice-versa. Anxiety and stress (mental states common in costochondritis) are a major cause of hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenals exhaustion. You can do a hair mineral test to find out the status of your adrenals and a full hormonal lab test to see what happens with the rest of the glands.

Now in order to succeed in the regulation of the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenals glands is required to work all of them at the same time because we have told that they feedback each other (if one is stressed the others will be too eventually). You have to work with herbs and with balanced emotional states.
Hope now you understand why the Dr Stoll's entrainment and binaural beats stuff are required. You need these for regulation of the pituitary and hypothalamus and you need the herbs, nutrients, mineral and vitamins to restore your adrenals and your thyroid which is affected as well. Iíve been searching for years about herbs that help to restore pituitary and hypothalamus but thus far I havenít found much, only organs extracts from animals and indium (but indium is a heavy metal that nobody knows the ultimate effects on long term administration)

6)
Now the shady and Overnatural part.

This is where I ask you to keep your mind open and please hold on, you have nothing to loose.

My costochondritis began at the time where I started to live a very stressed style of life in part produced by many critical events within a short period of my life. I lost my job, I was very unlucky doing business, crashed my car, lawsuits and many other things against me. All of these events triggered my stress, depression, anxiety and eventually my costo came up. However, I worked hard and eventually I reverted my personal situation, only the lawsuits remain but I can manage them and I have been able to "remain in the middle" despite this.

I noticed hundred times that everytime that stress and anxiety was with me, my costochondritis just got worse and worse, however, as I mentioned, I worked hard and I could revert my mental states, I followed my supplements, vitamins, minerals, herbs and meditation. The results were excellent. In addition I took my Ranunculus Bulbosus available as a homeopathy remedy (very effective). So I got to the point where I was almost free of costochondritis.

However, some months later, I started to suffer again my costo, this time as a matter of fact due to stress and anxiety. Despite I was following my protocol and my meditations I continued suffering my costo this time with much less intensity but I could not get rid of it. So what is happening here? what I am doing wrong? I was very frustrated because I spent many months researching, I continued my meditations on daily basis I perceived that my stress and anxiety were triggered very easily. Even worse, I could notice that my stress and anxiety were no longer a cause but and effect of something inside me. Right here was the point where I started to realize that something was out of my control. I said: this could not be happening to me. Generally speaking, I consider myself a very balanced person, even I have some problems with my girlfriend and the society surrounding me, they say that I am very cold person that I am a man without typical emotions. Again I said, it is not possible that I cannot control my anxiety and stress. NOT ME!!

I started to notice that when I got into deep meditation states, my hands, head and arms started to move theirselves (erraticaly) without the force of my will. This effect did not produce any misbalances in me, but I decided to go and visit an old friend of mine who has been involved into spiritism and esoterism. At the first sight, he told me: you are carrying a heavy burden of energies. I said, what you mean?, so the session started:

My friend: You have several entities hanging from you?
Me: What?, how can this be possible?
My friend: Sorcery or misbalance of your emotions.
Me: Well, now that you mention emotional misbalances, I have noticed a lot of stress and anxiety in me.
My friend: Your stress and anxiety are being caused by the entities hanging from you.
Me: I have read about it, but never exactly what you are telling me, I understood energies in many esoteric fashions but not the "hanging from you".
My friend: Yes, you have several energy entities hanging from your SOLAR PLEXUS CHAKRA.
Then, he just started to heal and to balance my energy, he placed his hands all over my body making emphasis in my SOLAR PLEXUS CHAKRA.
My friend: Right know I am going to expulse the entities out of your solar plexus chakra, I am going to do this until tell me you are ok.
Me: OK
Some minutes later, I just started to feel OK, my breathing was back to normal, the pain of my costochondritis on my ribs and the cage was just gone.
I made an appointment to assist late next week.
After leaving my friendís house, I could not contain my happiness, I said: BINGO!!!, I GOT IT.
I said I got it because despite I never mentioned to my friend about my costochondritis I started to join the pieces of the puzzle together. I have been studying meditation, esoteric things for many years, so I was able to discover the secret behind my costochondritis.
When I said, my stress and my anxiety were not the cause but the effect was because I knew that there was an energetic principle behind. After all, I was tried everything I could within the physical realm, I know this sounds kind of weird for most of you, but in my country the people want to get everything from divine intervention. They pray to their gods, to their Virgin Mary, to the holy dead, to their saints and so on, if all of them fail then the people make use of sorcerers to scrub your life.
By the middle of the next week, I was feeling about the same with my costo, so I assisted to my second appointment with my friend. He started to follow the same process and after some minutes my costo pain was gone. Again, he told me, you have fewer energies but still have one hanging from your solar plexus so I took it out.
My explanation of my paranormal costochondritis makes a lot of sense with what my friend told me. If you study the fundamentals of chakras, you will find out that every chakra in your body has organs associated. If one of your chakras goes out of balance, then the organs associated will do the same. In this case the solar plexus chakra (2nd) and root chakra (1st) have the ADRENAL GLANDS associated, the stomach, etc. (I noticed that my digestion was terrible). I knew from my esoteric knowledge that bad energies vibrate at lower frequencies; I knew that the solar plexus chakra and the root chakra vibrate at the lowest frequencies in your body. This makes sense, isnít it? Recently, another guru confirmed my theory by telling me that bad energies feed from your 1st and 2nd chakras because it is from both points that you actually process your physical energy.
I got relief every time I practiced a meditation exercise called Higher-Self Grounding.
Right know, after so much tribulation, I am in perfect shape and without any symptom associated with costochondritis.
I do not claim that every case of costochondritis is associated to paranormal energies, but if you are in a situation in which you cannot balance your emotions no matter how hard you fight, you better start considering my experience as a possibility. If this is your case try to get help from a person able to manage energies.
Well, this is my research that took me a little bit longer than two years, hope it can help you.
Good Luck to everybody.



Re: A Cure for Costochondritis/Dysautonomia Believe it or Not!!

Posted by lissa [708.8] on September 23, 2007 at 10:18:52:

In Reply to: A Cure for Costochondritis/Dysautonomia Believe it or Not!! posted by ALIATON [7043.2842] on September 23, 2007 at 06:55:48:

I think I have entities around my Solar Plexus chakra.

Really I think it's my OWN energy there but o.k.

thanks for sharing this, I don't think Costo is the only thing it would be useful for though.


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A Cure for Costochondritis/Dysautonomia Believe it or Not!! Archive

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on September 24, 2007 at 06:51:58:

In Reply to: A Cure for Costochondritis/Dysautonomia Believe it or Not!! posted by ALIATON [7043.2842] on September 23, 2007 at 06:55:48:

Thanks, Aliaton!

Walt

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