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Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

I am a 37 year old female with the following symptoms.
I have no pre-existing condition that I am aware of other
than a mild heart murmur. I excercise and eat a fairly
healthy diet (recently gave up on sugar in case it was
making problems worse). I have never had a weight
problem, don't drink alcohol to speak of and quit
smoking one year ago. My periods are mostly regular
(between 26-29 days). I have never missed a period.
No children. Don't take any medication currently. Took
BCP for one year at age 30. I should mention that a lot
of these symptoms I have had randomly at some point
or another in my adult life. Now they are all a daily
occurence.

Symptoms:
Lightheaded/dizzy every day (happens a lot in morning
and evening and lasts for hours)

Bending down makes my heart pound like crazy (also
getting up from a sitting position can do this).

Heart pounds and flutters or skips beat frequently even
when I am not active. This seems to happen more in
the 10 days before my period.

Nauseous/queasy frequently. Comes out of nowhere
and then suddenly disappears. Keep feeling pregnant.

Feel sick and weird often right before a bowel
movement. Sometimes I feel nauseous or have a
lightheaded episode. Then after the boewl movement it
slowly disappears. This doen't happen every time.

Hot flashes. These don't happen at night so much but
at random times during the day. I'll just start sweating
and then it goes away. My feet will sometimes just be
pouring with water even if I'm barefoot.

Feel faint and shakey a lot for no apparent reason, and
have to sit down. (I don;t skip meals so it's not likely to
be blood sugar related)

Often feel like a have a lump in my throat or someone is
pushing a finger into the space right in the middle of the
two collar bones.

Feel sad and cry a lot. This feeling will just come over
me. I used to have this during PMS but now I have it a
lot at beginning of my cycle right after period is over.

Hair is falling out like crazy and new hairs are super
thin and almost colorless. This started a year ago and
keeps going at same rate.

Crushing feeling in chest and difficulty taking breaths.
Sometimes it feels like heartburn.

Lying on my left side can make me feel really nauseous
and start sweating almost immdeiately. This doesn't
happen every time I on lie on my left side though. This
doesn't happen at all on right side.

Have to sleep with lots of pillows propping up my upper
back and head. Prefer sleepingon back now. I just
started doing this about a year ago. It just doesn't feel
good to lie flat anymore. Don't know why.

Frequently can't fall asleep. Used to be a good sleeper,
but now I'm wide awake at night until 3am most nights.
Fall asleep at 3 and then get up at 9am. Doesn't seem
to make me tired during day. It's like I'm wired and tired
at the same time.

Arms and legs feel weak. Like my muscles are all out
of energy. This feeling happens at random, not
necessarily when I am excercising. Muscle tone still
looks good.

Dry skin on body. It just doesn't have any moisture.
Could this be old age/sun damage setting in? I am in
my late 30's. but it seems so sudden, and some days it
seems normal again.

Hair is very oily, and am getting pimples again before
my period. This hasn't happened in many moons! It's
like I'm an adolescent.

Mood swings up and down. One minute I feel a rush of
elation, the next I;m so angry I cold kill someone. Or I
suddenly feel depsondent like life isn't worth living. U
seem to have lost my interest in things I used to
cherish.

I think that's about it. Does this form a familiar pattern?
It sounds a lot like other people's issues I've read on
the this BB, but it also seems like it could be estrogen
deficiency. How can I figure it out? My TSH reading is
3.25, and T4 is 1.18.

Please help me figure out why I feel awful all the time.
Any input is appreciated!





Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by ed on August 17, 2001 at 18:46:31:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

I don't care what your TSH is ---sounds like thyroid problems to me.

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Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by Raisa on August 17, 2001 at 19:44:12:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

Hi, Beth - I know people will say it's ridiculous, but it sounds to me as if your hormone levels are starting to change.
That, as I'm sure you know, can go on for quite a few years (even up to 15 years).
"In my day" they would call it "change of life" symptoms.If it is, the symptoms will come and go. Only my opinion, of course. Raisa



Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by
Sarah on August 17, 2001 at 21:53:38:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

Beth, If I were you I would look into PCOS (Polycystic Ovary Syndrome). I have had two friends with this and their symptoms were very similar to yours. Here is a site to get you started:

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To Beth...and "Helping You" may want to take a look at this one....

Posted by Sharon R. on August 17, 2001 at 21:55:39:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

Hi Beth,

While you are waiting a response from others, here are my thoughts. At least some of your symptoms sound like a thyroid issue. However, have you been check for Candida? I know that in the past, I have had some of the symptoms you are describing (while also having very high yeast levels). Try searching on LGS, parasites, CRS (candida related syndrome) on this site.
Good luck to you...don't give up hope!

Sharon

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Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by Paulette on August 18, 2001 at 00:19:10:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

Feel sick and weird often right before a bowel
movement. Sometimes I feel nauseous or have a
lightheaded episode. Then after the boewl movement it
slowly disappears. This doen't happen every time.

I too have this occasionally, I get a rush of mild nausea just before the BM, then Im fine about 10 mins. after. Please Dr Stoll dont come back and tell this woman she has GERD, LGS or this is from bracing because these are NOT the correct answers. Have you seen a doctor?



Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by Paulette on August 18, 2001 at 00:20:34:

In Reply to: Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Raisa on August 17, 2001 at 19:44:12:

Hi, Beth - I know people will say it's ridiculous, but it sounds to me as if your hormone levels are starting to change

This is exactly what I was thinking.

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Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by Judy on August 18, 2001 at 01:02:22:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

It sure sounds like a lot of the symptoms i was having in premenopause..I also had the esophagus problem...It does sound to me like you are low on estrogen but I am not a Dr. You should go and talk with your family physician and get him all the info you have given us...I am now post menopausal and i know for a fact that the premeno stage was the strangest time in my life!!! Those hormones van do some strange things to your body...Take Care, Judy



Thanks all for input...and some questions

Posted by Beth on August 18, 2001 at 01:57:12:

In Reply to: Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Judy on August 18, 2001 at 01:02:22:

Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. It
certainly gives me some ideas about what may be
happening in my body. Seems like there are some who
say early menopause, some who think thyroid is part of
it, and some who think candida/LGS. And one who says
PCOS. Interesting. Maybe its's all 4!!! With all these
symptoms, it's hard to imagine it's only one of the
above! I was thinking it was one of these things as well.
My doc says the thryoid test results are not significant
enough to make me feel so bad or treat me, and that
my symptoms are not typical hypothyroid (no weight
gain, dry hair/nails, and no fatigue in spite of insomnia.
My energy is good when I'm not about to faint!!!)

I guess I should have mentioned that I gave serum and
saliva hormone tests last month on day 20 of my cycle.
The blood test showed totally normal levels of both
estrogen and progesterone. The saliva test showed
below range for estrogen and normal progesterone. I
am confused. They were collected within one hour of
each other, and I felt like crap that morning. So dizzy
and nauseous I almost didn't make it to the lab. I
suspect my hormones are related to how I feel, but I
don't understand the difference between the readings.
Which is more accurate, does anyone know?

For the women who have gone through menopause
that responded, please tell me that it gets better!!! Do
you feel normal again once the hormones level out?
How long did it take? Did you take estrogen? My older
sister was feeling sluggish lately and is a little low on
estrogen. Her doctor gave her a patch and she says
she feels great now. Unfortunately my doctor says no to
estrogen for me, she says I can take birth control pills if
I want, but since my periods are regular she refuses to
believe I am in a premenopausal state, therefore won't
supplement estrogen. Plus the blood test showed
normal in her opinion. I'm only 37, I thought I would feel
fine for another 8-10 years before the menopausal stuff
started!!!

May be Dr. Stoll will leave an opinion to shed light on all
this!!!

Thanks again for all your feedback!





To: Paulette

Posted by Beth on August 18, 2001 at 02:07:55:

In Reply to: Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Paulette on August 18, 2001 at 00:19:10:

What is GERD? and Bracing? I never heard these
expressions before. Is that what you have been told is
responsible for this weird pre BM nausea? How old are
you and how long have you had this? I have been
feeling lousy as I described for about 8 months straight
(had these symptoms off and on before that, but never
enough to really take note of). But this BM thing just
started a couple of months back when things took a
turn for the worst. It's so strange. Please let me know if
oy find anything out about it!!!

Thanks fr your input! Take care!

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Re: Thanks all for input...and some questions

Posted by Joanie on August 18, 2001 at 07:21:26:

In Reply to: Thanks all for input...and some questions posted by Beth on August 18, 2001 at 01:57:12:

I'm post menopausal, and it was my experience that when I was having hot flashes it was ALWAYS in the absense of menses. It sounds to me like you're experiencing severe anxiety. I've been there too. It's no fun. You will definitely benefit from skilled relaxation and exercise. Check out the archives. Thyroid function may be impaired due to the chronic bracing you are experiencing. Again, check out the archives for bracing. You will learn a lot. Good luck.

Namaste`

Joanie



Re: Thanks all for input...and some questions

Posted by Raisa on August 18, 2001 at 08:44:26:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks all for input...and some questions posted by Joanie on August 18, 2001 at 07:21:26:

Hi, Beth - Another thought is could you possibly be depressed? I have a friend who was having weird (well, not exactly weird, but you know what I mean) and feeling not quite right. Then, she started feeling claustrophibic in the middle of the night and had to get up and go outside to feel normal again. She didn't do anything about this until one day while playing bridge at her club, she felt this feeling coming over her and had to leave the table.
She told her doctor about this, and her doctor asked her if she was depressed. She said she wasn't that she knew of (she's happily married and has just normal complaints).
Now she's upset because the doctor prescribed Paxil and she doesn't want to take it. But she has been taking it and the attacks (which were probably panic attacks) have disappeared.
I am NOT suggesting that you ask your doctor for Paxil (not that you would if I said so :o) ), but I am wondering whether it is at all possible that something has happened to make you feel depressed and not realize it? If so, you could start following the things in the Archives. This is just another thought. Raisa

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Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by Judy F. on August 18, 2001 at 10:23:29:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

These are a lot of symptoms, and you're going to need input from a lot of people in order to figure this out. But the situation can be helped.

The dizziness, the heart pounding when changing position, the muscles feeling weak, and the nausea can be due to dehydration and blood pressure not maintaining. I had this problem. A nurse suspected what was happening, took my blood pressure during one of these episodes while I was lying, sitting, and standing, took me out to the water fountain, handed me a cup, and told me to drink until I felt better. I was skeptical, but it worked! I spite of having wound up in ER a number of times with being dehydrated, I thought I was drinking enough water because I drank when I got thirsty. The thing was (and I didn't realize it for many years), I wasn't feeling thristy when I should have been. Also, I had an adversion to drinking liquids. Also, when I had these episodes, I felt "wired". That's the best way I can put it. There was a sensation like the heart was fluttering - especially when I sometimes changed positions or over-exerted myself.

How often do you eat during the day? You may need snacks. Some people do.

A lot of the symptoms you mentioned are classic TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) symptoms of Liver Qi Stagnation - the lump in throat, the crushing feeling in chest and difficulty taking breaths, the PMS, and extreme emotions, especially intense anger. (But you also need your doctor to check for heart problems and rule out or in because of the nature of some of these symptoms.) The "lump in the throat" feeling is so well-known in TCM there's even one of those poetic TCM terms for it - Plum Pit Qi stuck in throat.

The Liver Qi Stagnation won't mean anything to you right now. GEt a copy of Curing PMS Naturally with Chinese Medicine by Bob Flaws from your local library, and you're going to see a lot of your symptoms in that book. And things which can help. Also, check the archives on here for SR (skilled relaxation) because this is going to be a part of helping everything to harmonize and work right again.

I can't analyze long-distance over email. No one can. What I can do is is raise some possibilities that you may want to research further. Or, better still, see a TCM healer where you live.

One thing that a TCM healer will be considering and ruling out is Heart Blood Deficiency. The words are capitalized because Heart, Blood, and Deficiency are common English words that have special meaning in TCM. From a TCM standpoint, Blood is not exactly the same as blood in the Western sense, ditto for Heart and heart, etc.

Anyway, here are some of the symptoms of Heart Blood Deficiency: Dry and perhaps itchy skin (and scalp), dizzinesses, heart palpitations, spots in the vision field (called "floaters") and in some cases poor vision, weakness and tremors in the limbs, forgetfulness, scanty menses, skin wrinkling like a prune sometimes, difficulty falling asleep, excessive dreaming, tongue tissue pale, and face pale with no luster.

There are some other things, but I don't want to hit you with too much TCM at once. There is help.

Judy F.



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Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by beth on August 18, 2001 at 17:18:46:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

I agree with Judy F. Part of your problem is definately low blood pressure related. Try getting a nurse/Dr. to test your blood pressure laying down, sitting and then standing. I have a friend with very low blood pressure and the symptoms you describe about dizziness and weakness mirror hers.

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But who is to say that she doesn't have bracing as well???

Posted by Sure on August 18, 2001 at 17:23:48:

In Reply to: Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Paulette on August 18, 2001 at 00:19:10:

You are short changing her (and Dr. Stoll). Although I have lots of stuff going on, I know for sure that the bracing is a big part of it. But only after time of watching myself and noticing how I was feeling. SR has improved my life dramatically. And who's to say that it won't help her??



Re: But who is to say that she doesn't have bracing as well???

Posted by Beth on August 18, 2001 at 17:50:45:

In Reply to: But who is to say that she doesn't have bracing as well??? posted by Sure on August 18, 2001 at 17:23:48:


I just read the archives about bracing. Thanks to the
person who mentioned this might be causing some of
my problems (I didn't know what it was). Wow, I must
say that I think I have been doing this for most of my life,
and it certainly seems likes it contributes to the myriad
of symptoms I listed in my original post!!! I have always
felt that even when I am "relaxed" there is tension
somewhere in my body. In recent years I have
developed the habit of clenching my jaw when
sleeping, and when I have the difficulty breathing I feel
as if the muscles surrounding my chest and lungs are
just not loose, like I am involuntarily holding them tight,
but I'm not able to let it go. I know I appear on the
exterior as a very calm person (people tell me I have a
down to earth, grounded quality), but inside I am a
wreck most of the time. I have felt this way since
childhood. Maybe it caught up with me?

Thanks to everyone's wonderful input I feel as if I am
getting a clearer picture of what is going on. My feeling
right now is that I had an already taxed system with
some candida issues (I have a low grade chronic
vaginal yeast infecetion for years that I just don't even
bother to do anything about anymore). I have been
building up stress for years in my body, and now that I
am older and my hormones may be dropping, it is
causing the already taxed system to go haywire.

As far as my blood pressure goes, I took it myself a
while ago when lying down, sitting, then standing up. It
was lowish when lying down (110/78), slightly higher
when sitting up (112/80) then when I stood up it rose
up again (115/90). My pulse increased in speed and
intensity when I rose too. It was very weak and steady
when lying down, but really punched when I stood up.
Does anyone know what is normal? None of these
figures seem remarkable to me. Doctors have always
told me that I have very good blood pressure. Of course
they also say they envy my cholesterol reading, and say
I appear to be incredibly healthy. And yet I keep showing
up at their doors complaining of how lousy I feel!!!

Thanks again to all who have been kind enough to
answer my inquiries. It really helps me understand, and
points me in the righr direction of creating balance in
my life.

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Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by Davetx on August 19, 2001 at 00:52:42:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

Beth, I really know what you are going thru, and had at least 85% of these symptoms 5 years ago. In my case there was more then one problem, as may be in your case. In my case, when I started working on doing sr,and rolfing, that lump in throat, faint feeling, tiredness and skipping heart improved a bunch, but was still there at times. What took care of the rest was a seven month crusade to cure Lgs. The bm symptoms was just as you described, but now I have gotten away from all the symptoms that I had except one and that is I can not go to sleep before 1:00 in a.m. But this has always been this away for me all my life. It was my thought always that I had a thyroid problem and probably did even though tests did not indicate it. Stress affects your thyroid and will not let it work properly. In my case I think getting the stress under control let my thyroid work normally and got rid of the problems that seemed to be thyroid related. You mention getting off sugar and this may also be causing you some problems. When I got off I got hyperinsulism, which may me feel faint weak and tired. This may be another thing you want to look into. I have been working on this for 6 years, hard taking one step at a time and trial and error, and now feel that I have my life under control. You can do the same. This board has tons of good info in the archives and lots of good posters to get good info from. Good luck

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Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean?

Posted by iamwendy on August 19, 2001 at 01:40:30:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

my guess is thyroid
your TSH is too high (should be closer to 1)
and your T4 is almost non-existent (should be between 9 and 23)
you do not say what your free T3 is? (range is from around 3-6)

coupled with hypoglycemia (do you eat enough protetin? and often enough?)

also estrogen levels dropping will affect thyroid at the same time, so exacerbating it maybe

try this link there is a lot of thyroid info there - OK?

http://login.about.com/forums.htm

it is REALLY well worth taking the time to join, or you can go in as guest, look for Thyroid forum and make sure it is Mary Shomon's page

and "breathe" read about skilled relaxation on the site, it will be helpful

and do let us know how you get on

take care

w

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sorry but your doc is dead wrong !Thanks all for input...and some questions

Posted by iamwendy on August 19, 2001 at 01:47:16:

In Reply to: Thanks all for input...and some questions posted by Beth on August 18, 2001 at 01:57:12:

sorry but your doc is dead wrong!
my doc would instantly give you a bit of progesterone and some natural thyroid, but don't quote me on that!!!
please do go to the Thyroid Forum
which I have put in my other post
they have a lot of info

also another good page is Larrian Gillespie Goddess Diet for hormone stuff

http://login.about.com/forums.htm


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Re: Any idea what these symptoms mean? (Archive in dysautonomia.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 19, 2001 at 08:36:13:

In Reply to: Any idea what these symptoms mean? posted by Beth on August 17, 2001 at 18:29:58:

Hi, Beth.

All of those symptom you have had off & on over the years were red lights on the dashboard of your bodymind warning you of what was to come if you did not listen to them. No doubt, your docs along the way have discounted them since the allopathic paradigm has no place for early warnings.

So, now your body mind is lighting up all of the lights at the same time.

ALL of your symptoms, taken together, spell "dysautonomia" and it's sequelae.

Start with the glossary and then go to the archives and the search engine. Then branch out into stress-effect storage.

THEN, let us know what you have learned.

Actually, this is relatively easy to reverse but the trick is that you have to learn enough to actually do what will reverse it first.

The solution is "wellness" & it would have been a lot easier when you still had a lot of energy to do it. Now, it will be like lifting yourself with your bootstraps (only a lot easier than that).

By the way, once someone is as far gone as you are, just getting rid of sugar will help little. You have to get rid of all refined carbohydrates & I would not even try that without Beth's Book.

Walt

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