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Posted by Laura A. on January 03, 1999 at 13:49:02:

Dr. Stoll,
I have a friend whos son (8yrs) suffers from repeated infections in his ear, throat, and lately lungs. Of course the child has been on antibiotics since I can remember. I encourage my friend to suppliment the child with probiotics and good multivitamins. On her last visit to the doctor she asked the MD about probiotics. His reply was it would be good, but those suppliments are not regulated and children have died taking vitamins because they were made in a factory that also made fertilizer. Well you can imagine my shock to such a statement. Anyway, my goal now is to find ANY information that may prove or disprove this statement as well as gather valid research explaining the true danger in antibiotics. I plan to present it to this doctor with a clear warning that I will be at this mother's side when nothing can save her son from the latest infection, waiting for his medical explanation!! If you have any information that could help me, please let me know. I will start by reading your books and this wonderful message board!
Thank you

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Re: Antibiotics

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on January 03, 1999 at 16:55:53:

In Reply to: Antibiotics posted by Laura A. on January 03, 1999 at 13:49:02:

Antibiotic treatment of otitis media is no more effective than placebo, and
ncreases the risks of reoccurrence.
* Cantekin EI. Antibiotics to prevent acute otitis media and to treat
otitis media with effusion. JAMA 1994; 272(3):203-4 / Medline ID: 94293436

To determine the effect of antibiotic treatment for acute otitis media in
children six studies of children aged 7 months to 15 years
were reviewed. 60% of placebo treated children were pain free within 24
hours of presentation, and antibiotics did not
influence this. Antibiotics seemed to have no influence on subsequent
attacks of otitis media or deafness at one month.
Antibiotics were associated with a near doubling of the risk of vomiting,
diarrhoea, and/or rashes. Early use of antibiotics
provides only modest benefit for acute otitis media: to prevent one child
from experiencing pain by 2-7 days after presentation,
17 children must be treated with antibiotics early.
* Del Mar C, Glasziou P, Hayem M, Are antibiotics indicated as initial
treatment for children with acute otitis media? A meta-analysis., BMJ 1997;
314(7093) :1526-9 /
Medline ID: 97326380

Records from 2,089 otitis media patients were examined to determine
incidence and treatment success. There was no
difference in success rates between antibiotic and no antibiotic therapies.
* Tilyard MW; Dovey SM; Walker SA. Otitis media treatment in New Zealand
general practice. N Z Med J 1997; 110(1042):143-5 / Medline ID: 97296886

Patient recovery from otitis media seemed not to be influenced by either
the type of antibiotic given, or the period of time for
which it was given, except that the rates of recovery were better in
patient's of all age groups who did not receive any antibiotic
therapy at all.
* Froom J, Culpepper L, Grob P, et al, Diagnosis and antibiotic treatment
of acute otitis media: report from international primary care network, BMJ
1990; 300(6724):582-6 /
Medline ID: 90212921

Antibiotics are not the best treatment for middle ear infections (otitis
media) and doctors should stop routinely prescribing drugs
for them.
* Froom J; Culpepper L; Jacobs M; DeMelker RA; Green LA; van Buchem L; Grob
P; Heeren T. Antimicrobials for acute otitis media? A review from the
International Primary
Care Network. BMJ 1997; 315(7100): 98-102 / Medline ID: 97384382

Few issues in clinical medicine are as controversial as the efficacy and
risks associated with antibiotic treatment of otitis media.
Recent studies document the emergence and rapid spread of drug-resistant
streptococcus pneumoniae in acute and
unresponsive otitis as well as persistent effusions and chronic suppurative
otitis. It is best to avoid the antibiotic treatment
dilemma as much as possible by not over diagnosing otitis media.
* Berman S; Management of acute and chronic otitis media in pediatric
practice. Curr Opin Pediatr 1995; 7(5):513-22 / Medline ID: 96120875

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Re: Antibiotics

Posted by Laura on January 03, 1999 at 18:13:59:

In Reply to: Re: Antibiotics posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on January 03, 1999 at 16:55:53:

Thank you David!!! This is exactly the kind of research I need!!!

Re: Antibiotics

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 04, 1999 at 13:41:18:

In Reply to: Antibiotics posted by Laura A. on January 03, 1999 at 13:49:02:

Hi, Laura.

The odds are that you will be wasting your time trying to outwit this doc. If you have seen the new movie of my good friend "Patch Adams" you will recognize where this doc's stunted thinking is coming from.

You might also contact "Functional Medicine Update" (the world's premier collector & reporter of this kind of information) at (800) 843-9660. Ask them for just the bibliography for the 1998 issues. I seem to remember hearing (this past year) of some studies of the comparative risks of taking supplements & taking ANY other prescribed medications.

For this doc to say things like this, s/he is just parroting the party line & knows NOTHING about it at all. Time to find a better doc. Go back a few weeks on the BB and read the Tolstoy quote I put on the BB every so often. THIS is why neither of you should try to educate this doc.

Let us know what you learn and LISTEN TO DOC DAVE! Isn't he wonderful?


Re: Antibiotics

Posted by Bryan on January 09, 1999 at 22:16:14:

In Reply to: Re: Antibiotics posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on January 03, 1999 at 16:55:53:

Dear David,
I have been getting re-occuring ear infections and as far as allopathy is concerened, the doctor not only prescribed antibiotics, but wants me on decongestants every day for the rest of my life. The last time I went back he wanted to add an antihistamine also. I am 28 years old and I take vitamins everyday. I did have a lapse in my vitamin A for months. I currently have an ear infection and I feel it down my eustachian (excuse my spelling) and I feel pain in my thrat and gums. I don't want to take any more antibiotics, what to do??

Thank You

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Re: Antibiotics

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 10, 1999 at 11:43:34:

In Reply to: Re: Antibiotics posted by Bryan on January 09, 1999 at 22:16:14:

Dear Bryan,

You need to find a better doc! All the conventional medical journals have reported for years that decongestants & antihistamines do NOTHING for recurrent OR acute otitis media. Why the devil is he still recommending them? I say it is because we MDs hate to admit that we have nothing to offer so we give "something".

For the past few years, all the journals have reported the same thing about antibiotics. Why the devil is he still recommending THEM? I say it is for the same reason.

When you get serious about getting past this phase of your life, you will go to the archives for this BB (and the BB entries for the past 2 months) and learn how to prevent this problem.

THEN, as you see that you have eliminated the problem, I hope you will take the time to share your experiences with the BB participants. Others deserve to know that they are not being given their options by the conventional medical monopoly simply because it would take the management of this "bread & butter" ailment out of their offices.

Remember, I am an MD who practiced medicine for more than 30 years. I know what works and what does not.


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