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Hi, sarahw.
It is not easy to tell the difference between viral or bacterial infections ESPECIALLY in children. All we have is statistics and they say that at least 90% are viral. The proper way to practice is to treat every "infection" as though it is viral and, when the problem lasts longer than a viral problem should THEN consider making a bacterial diagnosis with the laboratory. It is a scandal how docs order antibiotics when they KNOW these statistics. Nine out of ten times they are hurting the child since tne antiboitics can do nothing BUT harm in viral conditions.
The chances are that your child's recurrent fevers are directly due to the longer term effects of the very thing your doc has been improperly using. If you had kept them at home and followed the recommendations of the ER doc (congratulations doc!) the chances are that the first problem would have been the last.
Hope this helps.
Is your whole house humidified? See the cold chapter in my book and start with the article about "colds" on the home page.
I would say you need a better doc.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? posted by Walt Stoll on February 08, 2001 at 14:18:50:
Dr. Stoll
I understand that you are saying most infections in children are viral. And i agree, antibiotics only treat the symptoms not the "problem". Sometimes for new mothers and even mothers with more than one child it is very difficult-- and i know because i've been there myself--when a child is screaming in pain with an ear infection to just "wait it out".
Of course the solution is to find the "cause". But ALOT of Pediatricians i believe have that prescription pad sewn to their hand--they whip it out so fast. For mothers that honestly put all their trust in their baby's pediatrician this is scary because they are literally putting their baby's health and wellness into this prescription bearing person.
I went through this with my first couple of children -- where the pediatrician's word was gold. Then when i got to my youngest who is now 6 1/2 (and who by the way was plagued with ear infections from birth through age 3) I didn't want her having all these antibiotics in her.
For me taking her to a chiropractor worked (i've seen in your testimonials that this has worked for others). Maybe some new mothers out there might want to give this a try.
The thing is to find the cause not cover the symptoms.
My daughter was also prone to having episodes of "asthma" which have now disappeared since chiropractic.i'm not saying it's the answer to everthing but maybe it's a starting point.
Just a tip -- when i see my daughter starting to get a cold -- i take her to the chiropractor and if her ear starts to bother her i put somewhat hot rags on the ear. I've also taken just one prescription which i used only once it is drops which numb the ear if the pain is overwhelming. This helps in the middle of the night when a child is in severe pain.
Just some suggestions.
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? DR> STOLL>>>>> posted by Mrs.M on February 08, 2001 at 17:04:14:
What does the chiropracter do, exactly? I'm assuming that he has to touch your children, and my toddler is still going through her stranger anxiety stage. She now screams at the sight of my doctor coming into the room. The only people that she is okay with is my immediate family. Otherwise, especially when she is so sick, she throws the biggest tantrum you've ever seen, complete with the getting blue in the face from screaming so hard, and then throwing up afterwards.
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? posted by Walt Stoll on February 08, 2001 at 14:18:50:
I will look in the archives under "colds". Thank you for your comments. To answer your question about the humidifier, no, I haven't had one running because I didn't know if it would be a good thing or a bad thing. Some people have told me that humidity is a bad thing for respiratory infections, and I didn't know what my daughter had. Also, wouldn't humidity breed bacteria? I'm afraid that it would make my old carpet in my house even worse, but causing moisture in it. I'm in the process of getting it all replaced, because I feared that my kiddos were getting allergies from all the mold underneath it.
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? posted by sarahw on February 08, 2001 at 23:53:10:
nmi
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? DR> STOLL>>>>> posted by sarahw on February 08, 2001 at 23:48:49:
That's what's so funny about this. I started her just before her 4th birthday (getting chiropractic adjustments that is). She loves it. She loved it then and still does. I only bring her once a month now unless she gets a cold, cough, runny nose etc. then i bring her right in. I think she now associates going there with feeling better. She used to go there when she had the ear pain and it helped her and relaxed her so she remembers.
I believe the chiropractic adjustment itself makes children calm. I know a mother with a child with ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) He was on ritalin and with chiropractic treatments he is not any more and plus he's doing remarkably well in school. I know there are a lot of skeptics out there (cause I was one) but i saw what chiropractic adjustments did for me and my family. And chiropractic doesn't have to be about "cracking". My chiropractor is very gentle. I see infants at the chiropractor i go to. It' actually a family chiropractic center. I would give it a try. Good luck to you.
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? DR> STOLL>>>>> posted by Mrs.M on February 08, 2001 at 17:04:14:
Hi, M.
The ONLY way that an antibiotic could "treat the symptoms" would be IF there was a susceptible bacterium causing the problem.
Repeated articles in the medical literature show that antibiotics for any middle ear infection does nothing more than a placebo while simultaneously causing damage to the child's natural immunity. ANY doc who ignores those articles (none disagree) are just wrong and eventually will be forced to stop it. It sems that it will take " an act of congress" to do this--what a shame on the medical profession.
I agree with the "drops" so long as the eardrum is intact. As soon as it ruptures all pain goes away so it is save to use as you have described.
The real shame is that the "literature" has indicated for at least 20 years that 90% of recurrent ear infections can be avoided jsut by eliminating dairy (totally) from the diet. Why have physicians not promoted that? In MY (reluctant) opinion is that it is because it takes education and the docs can make more money with repeated office visits than education.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? DR> STOLL>>>>> posted by sarahw on February 08, 2001 at 23:48:49:
Hi, sarahw.
You are not going to like what I have to say.
Your child is a bully and is well on her way to running the family. What will you do when she is a teenager unless you stop this nonsense now.
When I was in pracitce I solved this "doctor" problem EVERY TIME by asking the mother to leave the room. Within less than a minute of the mother leaving the child cooperated with me with no vomiting, crying or agitation. She no longer had her mother to show off for.
As soon as the child was cooperative I would let it know that mother could come back IF the child would continue to behave. With that asurance I would let the mother back in. If, as was sometimes the case, the child thought she could break her promise the mother had to go back out.
By that time the mother, who could hear through the door that the child had been perfectly quiet while she was out, began to understand the dynamics. If the mother would not leave, it told me that she did not trust me to not hurt her child (Totally irrational since she had trusted me enough to bring her in.) However, that lack of trust communicated itself directly to the child who are almost telepathic at that age.
Most children who are taken to Chiropractors find that the experience is so much different that they actually like to go there and continue to resist the MD. Ask Doc Kim.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? posted by sarahw on February 08, 2001 at 23:53:10:
Hi, sarahw.
What you have been doing has not been working, It is time to change something.
The person who said that humidity was "bad for colds" is TOTALLY wrong. See the article on the homepage aobut colds to get started understanding it.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? DR> STOLL>>>>> (Archive in Chiropractic.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 10, 2001 at 10:53:29:
How very true! As a former preschool teacher, I saw many of these acts. Parents would be reluctant to leave because their child was carrying on and 5 minutes after they left the child was perfect...of course until the return of the parent. Children really do learn early how to manipulate : )
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? DR> STOLL>>>>> (Archive in Chiropractic.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 10, 2001 at 10:53:29:
You are entitled to your opinion, and I appreciate your comments, but my daughter is no bully. She is just a toddler, and is with me 24/7. I do not work, I stay home with her, and she is used to having just me around. I am gradually working on having her spend individual time with other people, she has a very close relationship with her grandfather. She is only scared when she sees people that she does not know. Now, when I had my other three children, I was still in college, pusuing a degree in child psychology. I had my other children in daycare from the time they were babies. They grew up well socialized, yet they were so "independent" that they would go to everyone and didn't have a really close bond with anyone, even me. When I realized this fully, with my husband's help I quit school to stay home with them during the day. I realized how much I had been missing out on. It's been four years since then, and I still regret not having that close relationship with them that I could have had if I would have spent more quality time with them. I know my toddler will grow past her "anxiety" stage, but I'm not going to force anything on her all at once. And I wouldn't leave her with anyone unless she felt comfortable with it.
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? DR> STOLL>>>>> (Archive in Chiropractic.) posted by sarahw on February 10, 2001 at 23:13:13:
I think Stoll's comment to you was unecessary. Your child is not a bully (what a thing to say)
I think (my opinion) she just needs to interact with other children and not always be with Mommy. Who would ever leave their child in the room alone with any one even a doctor. That would be just plain ignorant. good luck
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? DR> STOLL>>>>> posted by Mrs.M on February 09, 2001 at 15:55:40:
Thanks, Mrs M.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? DR> STOLL>>>>> (Archive in Chiropractic.) posted by Barbara on February 10, 2001 at 14:16:44:
Thanks, Barbara.
One of the crimes of our culture is the assumption that the act of procreation and birth automatically qualifies one to be a parent. It is a wonder that so many adults turn out "normal". Of course, Maslow, at the turn of the 19th to the 20th century, looked for 10 years and didn't find ONE person who actually was healthy. I am sure that the % is even lower now.
Humans have such incredible potential that they appear normal to us when they only utilize 1% of their capacity!
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: bacterial or viral? DR> STOLL>>>>> (Archive in Chiropractic.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 10, 2001 at 10:53:29:
Trying to intimidate a young child was not your job. I think you're totally out of line here. It's not your job to discipline someone else's child.
And most CERTAINLY you cannot ascertain that this woman's child is a bully from a few posts on this BB. LUDICROUS!
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