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Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

I used to believe it might be unsafe to microwave food, possibly because of this bb. I've now changed my mind and think they're probably safe; haven't seen much to convince me otherwise. While I think it's generally wise to be skeptical in life, sometimes I wonder if this bb is guilty of "throwing the baby out with the bath water"?

I read in the archives that microwaved water given to plants renders the plant dead. Has anyone actually tried it? Snopes did, (see below).

I've also read in the archives people suggesting that microwaving food makes it less nutritious, but this is true however you heat food! In fact some nutrients come out better after microwaving them, e.g. according to Wikipedia, spinach retains almost all of it's folate, while boiling it would result in 77% loss due to leaching into the water. I wonder if the dislike of microwaving comes down to mistrust of something so quick, and the widespread use of microwaves for trash foods which are lacking nutrition in the first place.

Here is a snopes article that debunks the microwaved water plant thing:


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Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 10:06:10:

In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

Dr Mirkin:


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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 10:06:41:

In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

IMHO, it's not 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'. Microwaves are IMHO a convenience item for people that care more about time than their bodies. They are like cell phones - a new age item for people that don't have a few minutes to spare - the "now" generation that wants everything "now".

I browsed many of the 194,000 results I got when I googled 'microwave oven dangers'.

I'm not going to gamble the issue with my body. I have a $30 convection oven I got a great deal on that takes a minute or two longer than a microwave - and it doesn't have all the bad press associated with it.



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Microwaves And Microwave Ovens

Posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 10:13:20:

In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

I've known the author of this for years. I don't always agree with her but I sure think I agree with her in this article.

Microwaves And Microwave Ovens

By Lita Lee, Ph.D.
5/14/01

Because the body is electrochemical in nature, any force that disrupts or changes human electrochemical phenomena will affect the physiology of the body. This is described in Robert O. Becker’s book, The Body Electric and in Ellen Sugarman’s book, Warning, The Electricity Around You May Be Hazardous To Your Health. This information is controversial, but from the best sources my research has found.

Microwave ovens were originally developed by the Nazis for use in their mobile support operations. After the war, the Allies discovered medical research done by the Germans on microwave ovens. These documents and the microwave ovens were transferred to the United States War Department and classified for reference and scientific investigation. The Soviet Union also retrieved some microwave ovens and has done the most thorough research on their biological effects. As a result, their use is outlawed. The Soviets have issued an international warning on the health hazards (both biological and environmental) of microwave ovens and similar frequency electronic devices. Other Eastern European scientists reported the harmful effects of microwave radiation and have set strict environmental limits. For reasons not related to health (smile!), the United States has not accepted European reports of harmful effects, even though the EPA estimates that radiofrequency and microwave radiation sources are increasing at 15% per year.

Microwave ovens have effects on the food heated or cooked and on the people who ingest microwaved foods. There are other sources of microwave radiation which includes other emitters of magnetic radiation (e.g. any device with an electric current running through it). Microwave ovens emit two types of radiation: the microwaves or high frequency radio waves, and the 60 Hz (hertz) magnetic fields common to other home appliances. This comes from the transformers in the back. The oven door is the most dangerous place for microwave leakage but magnetic fields can occur all around the oven. This is not good news for children, who love to watch the foods bubbling inside. In addition to oven leakage, microwaving causes adverse effects in food. They include: formation of cancer-causing substances, leakage of toxic chemicals from the packaging into the foods, and destruction of nutrients.

What happens to people who ingest microwaved foods or who are exposed to external sources of microwave radiation?


Carcinogenic Substances in Microwaved Food

The following is a summary of the Russian investigations published by the Atlantis Rising Educational Center in Portland, Oregon. Carcinogens were formed in virtually all foods tested. No test food was subjected to more microwaving than necessary to accomplish the purpose, e.g. cooking or thawing or heating to insure sanitary ingestion. Here’s a summary of some of the results:

Microwaving prepared meats sufficiently to insure sanitary ingestion caused formation of d-Nitrosodiethanolamines, a well-known carcinogen.
Microwaving milk and cereal grains converted certain of their amino acids into carcinogens.
Thawing frozen fruits converted their glucoside- and galactyoside-containing fractions into carcinogenic substances.
Extremely short exposure of raw, cooked or frozen vegetables converted their plant alkaloids into carcinogens.
Carcinogenic free radicals were formed in microwaved plants, especially root vegetables.

To this list, I will add results reported in the December 9, 1989 Lancet. Microwaving baby formulas converted certain trans-amino acids into their synthetic cis-isomers). Synthetic isomers, whether cis-amino acid or trans-fatty acids, are not biologically active. Further, one of the amino acids, L-proline, was converted to its d-isomer, which is known to be neurotoxic (nervous system) and nephrotoxic (kidneys). It’s bad enough that many babies are not nursed. Now they are given fake milk (baby formula) made even more toxic via microwaving.


Decrease in Nutritive Value of Microwaved Foods

Russians researchers reported a marked acceleration of structural degradation leading to a decreased food value of 60 to 90% in all foods tested. Among the changes observed were:

Decreased bioavailability of vitamin B complex, vitamin C, vitamin E, essential minerals and lipotropic factors in all foods tested.
Various kinds of damage to many plant substances, such as alkaloids, glucosides, galactosides and nitrilosides.
The degradation of nucleoproteins in meats.


Leakage of Chemicals from the Package into the Food

The January/February 1990 Nutrition Action Newsletter reported on the leakage of numerous toxic chemicals from the heat-susceptor packaging of common microwavable foods, including pizzas, French fries, popcorn, and anything requiring a crispy crust or a crunchy taste. Microwave ovens cannot make foods brown and crisp or crunchy. No problem! Heat susceptors are visible thin, gray strips or disks of metallized plastic that absorb microwave energy and turn the surface of the package into a very hot little frying pan, which does the trick!

There are many chemicals that can be used in heat-susceptor packages, all approved of by the FDA (whew, I was worried!). What was not recognized, however, was that susceptors could reach temperatures of 300 to 500 degrees F in the microwave. When they do, the chemicals in the plastic migrate from the susceptors into your food. The FDA tested susceptor packages in 1988. Every package tested released chemicals into the food. Among these were PET (polyethylene terpthalate, a petroleum-derived product), and other known or suspected carcinogens, such as benzene, toluene and xylene.

Industry says, “No sweat, no health hazard.” Nutrition Action Newsletter reports, “The FDA has asked packaging manufacturers to identify the chemicals and to submit data on how much they migrate and the health hazards they pose.” What a comfort!

Pathogenic Changes Observed in Consumers of Microwaved Food

Changes were observed in the blood chemistries and the rates of certain diseases among consumers of microwaved foods. The following is a sample of these changes:
Lymphatic disorders were observed, leading to decreased ability to prevent certain types of cancer.
An increased rate of cancer cell formation was observed in the blood.
Increased rates of stomach and intestinal cancers were observed.
Higher rates of digestive disorders and a gradual breakdown of the systems of elimination were observed.


Death from Microwaved Blood

In 1991 there was a lawsuit in Oklahoma concerning the death of Norma Levitt, who died following hip surgery from a simple transfusion. The nurse who gave her the transfusion warmed the blood in a microwave oven. The woman died when she received the transfusion. Blood for transfusions is routinely warmed, but not in microwave ovens. This tragedy reveals that the blood was altered during microwaving into a lethal substance. Since the body is electrochemical in nature, any force that changes human electrochemistry will also change the physiology of the body.

Other Sources of Microwave Radiation


Microwave Sickness

The Russians did research on thousands of workers who had been exposed to microwaves during the development of radar in the 1950’s. Their research showed health problems so serious that the Russians set strict limits of 10 microwatts for workers and one microwatt for lay people. In the above-mentioned book, Becker described research of the Russians on the health effects of microwave radiation, which they called microwave sickness. He says (page 314) “Its first signs are low blood pressure and slow pulse. The later and most common manifestations are chronic excitation of the sympathetic nervous system (stress syndrome) and high blood pressure. This phase also often includes headache, dizziness, eye pain, sleeplessness, irritability, anxiety, stomach pain, nervous tension, inability to concentrate, hair loss, plus an increased incidence of appendicitis, cataracts, reproductive problems, and cancer. The chronic symptoms are eventually succeeded by crises of adrenal exhaustion and ischemic heart disease (blockage of coronary arteries and heart attack).”


General Effects of Magnetic (60 Hz) fields from all Electronic Devices

These effects have been widely studied by the Russians and other European scientists and over 300 U.S. scientists.

In addition to microwave ovens, other commonly used devices may be dangerous because people use them daily, sleep near them (within field range) or work near them. The most common of these are electric stoves, TV’s, VDT’s (the display monitors of computers), cellular telephones, portable telephones, clock radios (usually placed closed to the head of the bed), electric hair dryers, radar gun speed-detectors, and ham radios. The list also includes residential magnetic fields from power transmission lines, distribution lines and incorrect wiring configurations in the home.

The effect has to do with the source of magnetic radiation as well as the part of the body it strikes. For example, the cellular telephone and the portable radiophones both emit high magnetic fields. When in use, they are held next to the head where the radiation strikes the pineal gland, inhibiting its production of melatonin. Melatonin is a hormone that inhibits breast cancer, among other functions.


Some Recent Personal Experiences

Since 1986, I lived in a California house, which had been wired incorrectly resulting in a low level magnetic field almost throughout the house. In August 1992, my family moved to a country home near Eugene, Oregon. I excitedly ran around our new home with my Trifield Meter on the magnetic detector mode. To my delight, it registered zero everywhere! Settling down in our new home, the first thing I noticed was that I was sleeping quite well for the first time in six years! I believe that my sleeplessness was not all due to everyday stress, but also to electromagnetic pollution in my California home! If you are an insomniac, do not assume it is solely because of your financial or personal problems! It may be electronic smog, an apt term.

One day, when the weather turned colder, I noticed that my feet felt warm in the kitchen, even though I was barefoot. The floor. It’s electrically heated and the heat was not on when I first measured it during the hot season! The entire kitchen and recreation room read high levels of magnetic radiation on my meter (over 10 milligauss). The dangerous thing about electrically heated floors is that they are a planar source of radiation, which does not fall off rapidly. My meter read high magnetic field radiation from my feet to my eyeballs! Common appliances are point sources of radiation, which fall off rapidly, dropping to zero at around three feet. It was an easy solution to turn off the fuses that controlled the heating of the electric floors. Better cold feet than magnetic sickness! Beware! Test the magnetic field effects in your home when the power is on and at peak times of power output! Otherwise, you may not detect high magnetic field conditions. I recommend a Trifield meter or similar measuring device to everyone. It can save you a lot of health problems!


Protect Yourself!

How do you know if you are being zapped? Don’t wait for the health effects. Instead, measure the levels of electromagnetic radiation in your house with a Trifield Meter or similar device. The following publications will give you hints on what to do when you find dangerous emissions.

References

Becker, Robert O., M.D., The Body Electric, William Morrow & Co., Inc., 105 Madison Ave., New York, NY 10016, 1985.
Becker, Robert O., M.D., Cross Currents, Jeremy P. Tarcher, Inc., 5858 Wilshire Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90036, 1990.
Brodeur, Paul, Currents of Death, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1989.
Sources of Trifield Meter: Cutting Edge Catalog, POB 2143, Southampton, New York 11969, (800) 497-9516; (516) 287- 3813 (NY Metro). Has excellent catalog.

Lita Lee, Ph.D.
http://www.litalee.com

ã 2001
02/04/01 rf3

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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 10:16:26:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 10:06:10:

He probably owns stock in GE or something.

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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 10:21:25:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 10:06:41:

Your Google search is biased. If you search for what you want to find, you will inevitably get the results that match your opinion.

e.g. Do you think exercise is dangerous?:


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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 10:25:42:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 10:16:26:

That's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned because it is an unfounded allegation. Maybe those who criticise microwaves sell convection cookers.

In fact, I have proof they do:


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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 10:41:10:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 10:06:41:

I think it's harsh to criticise people who have a perfectly valid need for convenience at times. In most families, both adults work full time and may have growing children. Both take up a substantial amount of time. While microwaving TV dinners is quite worthy of condemnation, I don't see anything wrong with microwaving a home-made soup, beans, leftover veggies etc. Just as I don't see a problem with the convenience of using an electric lawnmower instead of a manual, or sending an email instead of a written letter. Besides, the criticism of technology/science for mere convenience falls flat on it's face. I am sure there are many conveniences you enjoy without being totally conscious of it e.g. using a car instead of walking, getting water from a tap instead of a spring or well. As a cyclist and runner, I could say someone who uses a car cares more for time than their bodies, but I don't think it's valid at all.

Let's stick to the science of whether microwaving is safe, and not stereotyping people as lazy and whatever else.


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Re: Microwaves And Microwave Ovens

Posted by Jayne [10093.6459] on March 02, 2009 at 10:53:50:

In Reply to: Microwaves And Microwave Ovens posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 10:13:20:

thanks,,Lurch :-)

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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 11:22:31:

In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

One study showed higher serum cholesterol in people eating vegetables cooked in a microwave. Excessive EMF exposure is also a valid concern. I gave mine away 8yrs ago and will never have another one.

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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 11:28:11:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 10:06:41:

Hi Lurch, I paid the same for mine! And I prefer convection heat because food cooked with heat tastes more natural. Microwaving even changes the texture of many foods.

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Re: Microwaves And Microwave Ovens

Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 11:38:14:

In Reply to: Microwaves And Microwave Ovens posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 10:13:20:

"Death from Microwaved Blood

In 1991 there was a lawsuit in Oklahoma concerning the death of Norma Levitt, who died following hip surgery from a simple transfusion. The nurse who gave her the transfusion warmed the blood in a microwave oven. The woman died when she received the transfusion. Blood for transfusions is routinely warmed, but not in microwave ovens. This tragedy reveals that the blood was altered during microwaving into a lethal substance. Since the body is electrochemical in nature, any force that changes human electrochemistry will also change the physiology of the body."

It's far fetched to draw the conclusion that microwaved food for consumption is unsafe because someone died of microwaved IV blood.

Here is the exact reason for her death (taken from case notes):

"Heating blood in this manner destroys the red blood cells, resulting in "gross hemolysis" of the blood, releasing large amounts of potassium. Excessive potassium, when introduced into the body, is often fatal. The practice of warming Intravenous (IV) fluids, other than blood, in the microwave was an accepted practice at Hillcrest Medical Center, as reflected in its written procedures."

Conclusion: don't microwave IV blood. Not, OMG microwaves are scary and dangerous.

Her claim is so terribly unscientific that the entire article can be disregarded as bunk.


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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 11:44:30:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 11:22:31:

Is there any evidence of harmful (if any) EMF exposure? I'd have to see the serum study, but I will say that while microwave cooking need not be the most superior, only not necessarily entirely unsafe. e.g. compare barbecuing to steaming.

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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 11:46:51:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 11:28:11:

That's at least, a valid and fair reason to prefer a convection oven. If the taste is better using a convection oven, and it doesn't take so much longer, then why not!


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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 11:48:48:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 11:22:31:

Hi Peter. That's about when I gave mine away too - to the annual animal shelter auction. I had a nice big hardly used Panasonic, and soon after getting it, I decided I wasn't going to use them any more.

My "nuking" food days are over. Case closed as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 11:58:27:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 11:44:30:

I'll reword that, it's a bit awkward.

I mean, microwaving need not necessarily be the best method of cooking, just not as dangerous as it is made out to be, with poor science and little (if any) valid evidence or research. That's what I was hoping to be directed to. So far I've seen nothing to scare me away.

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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 12:04:28:

In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

Dr Andrew Weil:


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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 12:10:53:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 11:22:31:

Video about exposure:


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Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

Posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 12:17:59:

In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 11:44:30:

Chris, here is an article that seems to cover it.

  • article


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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 12:19:36:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 12:10:53:

    okay, thanks..

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 12:22:50:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 11:46:51:

    ...and I don't miss it one bit... :)

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [1490.6911] on March 02, 2009 at 13:12:54:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 12:22:50:

    If convection ovens provide better tasting and textured foods (I'd probably agree with this), I wonder why more people don't use them? Convenience is an issue for everyone (even those who take the holier than thou approach), but is it correct that they don't take much longer than a microwave?

    I'm curious because there is probably enough logic in the above to choose a convection oven over a microwave, without resorting to such nonsense as the microwaved blood incident and other pseudo science I've read.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by michele [4954.6457] on March 02, 2009 at 13:30:14:

    In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

    I don't own one. I just enjoy cooking and feel like a microwave is
    substandard even in taste and, experience.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [1490.6911] on March 02, 2009 at 13:39:45:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by michele [4954.6457] on March 02, 2009 at 13:30:14:

    Logical reasons that I agree with.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 13:52:46:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 10:21:25:

    I have heard, the heart muscle of mammals is capable of a finite number of heart beats. I believe in being in shape, though I am not capable of doing what I used to do now, but when I was, I prefered accomplishing a task, to other activities. If some form of exercise causes a feeling of wellbeing, that is desired, then I guess that's what the person should be doing, but to do the activity, just to try to stay healthy, they might be using up heart beats, and shortening their lives, and not gaining much, except thinking they are doing something healthy. I believe staying active is healthy, and in sports or jobs, I prefered pushing myself, because it made me feel better, but is there a point where we waste heart beats?

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 14:00:04:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [1490.6911] on March 02, 2009 at 13:12:54:

    Hi Chris, I would be suprised to learn if you had not used both forms of cooking somewhere along the way. I think most people would say that many foods cannot be cooked effectively in a microwave oven. The convenience of microwaving for me was the speed of REHEATING traditionally cooked foods, not cooking raw foods. The only foods I was able to cook in it were smaller vegetables fully immersed in water. Convection cooking is completely versatile regardless of the food you want to cook, not something I can say that microwaving.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [1490.6911] on March 02, 2009 at 14:09:11:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 13:52:46:

    There was a study last year that showed people who performed regular cardio exercise lived longer, and has less disease than those who didn't. I will try to find and post it later. Exercise improves the strength and efficiency of the heart and lungs. I don't think there is a specific finite number of heart beats, other than the typical amount one would expect for the life expectancy of the species in question. Diet, exercise and stress will all have a bearing on this.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 14:10:42:

    In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

    when microwaves first came out, I had no interested in them because they were low powered, and food tasted like it was boiled to me. When higher powered one came out and found out they could make foods crispier, I bought one. I use it for certain things, and go by whether it does what I want. I have found that it can change the taste of some foods if run at full power, for long periods, so I work or set it to how it won't change the taste of those things. I don't think the food is bad when it doesn't taste the way I want, or think it should, I just don't like it. I think I am pretty sensitive to things, and when something doesn't agree I avoid it.

    My sister and BIL bought one of the first, Amana, Radar ranges as they were called. I don't think they cook meals in it, but replaced it when it broke, so must use it. My BIL is 81, and he sits next to where it is, and is run. He has had some health problems that i would blame on his lifestyle. He is diabetic, and had a stomach on him, and not that physically active. He had a heart attack, and had bypass surgery, but was taking Celebrex at the time. He has had his hips and one knee replaced. He is the oldest of his sibs, and has outlived all but one, who isn't in great shape. My sister is much younger, and seems to be in excellent health. Their 3 children are all healthy and successful, and all have advanced degrees, two in Ivy League schools, and usually at the top of their classes.


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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [1490.6911] on March 02, 2009 at 14:28:31:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 14:00:04:

    Thanks, can you give an indication of how long cooking with a convection oven takes? e.g. a bowl of soup, or stew. The microwave will take roughly 2-3 minutes, depending on wattage. Don't get me wrong, I do prefer to cook using the oven and hob overall, I just sometimes use the microwave to reheat and such. I would consider a convection oven for preferable taste, texture, assuming the time difference isn't too significant.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 14:39:36:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [1490.6911] on March 02, 2009 at 14:09:11:

    I think physiology might play a part. Fast or slow twitch muscles, are supposed to determine where a person is good at aerobic or anaerobic activities. I was always better at or with anaerobics. I prefered playing tennis hard, or running sprints, to jogging. One Dr on radio said, you couldn't be in shape doing a stop/start sport like tennis, which is anaerobic. I just laughed. The next week he corrected himself saying, he tested a tennis playing friend, and said he was in excellent health. He said, I guess if you do something long enough and hard enough, you could be. The Dr who looked like a physical specimen died at age 54. A few other famous athletes died at the age. Jim Fixx the runner. Jack Kelly, Princess Grace of Monoco's brother who was a rowing (skulls) champion. Adele Davis the writer of health food books was another who died at 54, which caught my attention, because a friend had her books.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 02, 2009 at 14:43:08:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 10:41:10:

    Nothing personal. I'm just not into zapping my foods any more and I doubt I ever will again.

    L

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by cook [6424.7486] on March 02, 2009 at 16:54:31:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 12:17:59:

    Great article. This summons up my feelings and later research (just on the internet). When I first got a microwave I went into it big time - mainly vegetables. However, I thought the veg tasted crap to be perfectly honest and tough! I then, as I said, did some research and read stuff that decided me to give it up. I didn't like the idea that my food was being "nuked". Whether or not this is true is even now still open to discussion. BUT, I don't want to take the chance. FACT is, a microwave oven is NOT natural, so the food is not being cooked in a natural way. We have had fire for thousands of years and conventional ovens cook in the same way - ie. without the nukes. Won't even go there now. Best I could say is cook as conventionally as you can for health - open fire is great, conventional oven is fine. Microwave - stay away.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by vini [1634.7431] on March 02, 2009 at 18:48:35:

    In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

    Chris, I read someplace that if used at 50% power level its safe ..so I have been using this level =)

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by PhillyLady [3423.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 20:38:37:

    In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

    Chris:

    I bought a microwave oven many years ago because of convenience. Then and when I first turned it on I had the inexplicable urge to step away from it.

    Although I initially thought they were perfectly safe, my instincts told me otherwise once I started using one. Microwaved food tasted different to me. The quality and texture were not right.

    I don't have any science to back up what I "feel" about microwave ovens, so I rely on my instincts which tell me they're no good, not safe, bad, yuk!

    I put mine away years ago and will only bring it out should the gas company no longer provide cooking gas:-)

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 20:41:03:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by cook [6424.7486] on March 02, 2009 at 16:54:31:

    probably no cooking is good. All heating is by radiation, and solar heating is by radiation. Maybe heating a house isn't healthy. I believe what can make microwaved food taste different is the frequency, and length of time it is heated. Whether it is bad may be debatable. Cooking over wood or charcoal I don't think is very good, with the volatile chemicals that get on or into the food, and the lighter fluid of charcoal never tasted good. In a gas oven the food doesn't taste as good as in an electric one, unless covered, since the uncombusted fumes of the gas, and what they put into it to allow us to smell it must get on and in the food. To me electric ovens make the food taste the best and unpolluted, and all cooking affects foods, and we are told which oils are safe to use when cooking at what temps. I let my taste buds be my guide, and how I feel after eating the foods. I never liked the taste or how I felt after eating foods cooked over charcoal.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 21:04:32:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by vini [1634.7431] on March 02, 2009 at 18:48:35:

    So long as the microwave is in good condition, the door seals etc. it shouldn't be a problem at all. If not, by now, we'd have heard cases of microwave factory workers (testers etc.) suing their employers.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 21:05:54:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 14:10:42:

    Sounds like your family genes exhibit a streak of intelligence. I'm not surprised in the least.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 21:09:58:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PhillyLady [3423.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 20:38:37:

    Preferences about taste and texture are perfectly logical and convincing reasons to not microwave foods. It's when people start talking about plants dying when fed microwaved water, that it becomes nonsense and an unbalanced (tin foil hat?) opinion. On that point, tin foil hats shouldn't be microwaved :)

    Kaboom!

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by PhillyLady [3423.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 21:24:56:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 21:09:58:

    This reminds me, I have been meaning to try the plant experiment. This will mean bringing the microwave out of storage. Maybe a few of us here could do this experiment? We could take pictures too.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 21:31:33:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PhillyLady [3423.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 21:24:56:

    You could try, but I can't see why microwaved water would harm the plant. Did you read the snopes article?

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 21:41:39:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 14:39:36:

    Posting the article for you as a new topic.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by PhillyLady [3423.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 21:55:05:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 21:31:33:

    Yes, I read it earlier today. It wasn't too convincing due to its many speculations: "water might have been heated", "plant might have been subject", "microwaved water could have".

    Too many uses of the words could, would, might, but no definite explanation.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 22:09:07:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PhillyLady [3423.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 21:55:05:

    Well, those were theories about the result of the experiment. They can't know precisely why the experiment ended as it did, perhaps it was all faked, or the experiment was intentionally skewed. Who knows? More importantly, they did perform their own series of controlled experiments, which look far more reliable in my opinion.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 22:17:53:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [1490.6911] on March 02, 2009 at 14:28:31:

    I'm sure people use these things differently, but for me, the convection oven is for baked goods. I use it as an alternative to my primary oven because it's smaller and uses less energy. For soups, chili, some pastas, and other stove-top dishes, I use my regular stove top. You COULD cook those things in the convection oven, but I use mine for baking chicken (sorry), sweet potatoes, lasagna, dishes that are typically BAKED. Cooking time for a whole sweet potato would be 30-45 min depending on size, most things 1hr or less. I also use my convection oven to reheat previously cooked foods. If you are thinking about forced-air convection, the one I had short-circuited just after buying it, I replaced it with a standard one and thus I can't attest to faster cooking times using those.


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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by PhillyLady [3423.7432] on March 02, 2009 at 22:21:11:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 22:09:07:

    I guess it's like getting an x-ray. After you get one you feel fine. But were you harmed on some level? It's hard to answer without conducting long term studies.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by craig [8177.4304] on March 02, 2009 at 22:49:55:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 21:04:32:

    Get a Steamer.
    Also,better be careful of what type of plastic container you are heating in.(Cancer)


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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 03, 2009 at 05:39:50:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 21:05:54:

    I don't have Their type of intelligence.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 03, 2009 at 06:41:10:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 03, 2009 at 05:39:50:

    There are "types" of intelligence? Whatcha mean Vince?

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on March 03, 2009 at 07:06:40:

    In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:


    I won't have one in the house-it seems unnatural.
    I believe the consumer is too often used as a guinea pig in experiments that we won't know the results of until it's too late.

    Speculating about the plant experiments seems silly. That would be such an easy experiment to do yourself-if you don't have house plants, pick out two bushes or two patches of grass in your yard and start watering them- one with microwaved water that has been cooled down, and one with tap water. Find out what the results are for yourself. If you note any difference, try it with a food crop this summer. Red radishes are fast growing, so plant yourself two patches of those, water like above and note any differences in the food. Some experiments are too elaborate or expensive for a person to do themselves, so you have to rely on others, but, when something is easy enough to do yourself-DO IT!!!

    Alternative health really isn't just about what you eat-it's a lifestyle, not a diet. Taking time with the food you prepare, whether cooking veggies of making bread is part of the lifestyle. It does something to you. There is a peacefulness in cooking. It brings a calm upon you and affects your peace of mind. It is a nurturing experience, even if you are cooking only for yourself.

    You can buy ready made carrots sticks all peeled and cut and treated in some way to keep them from rotting in the package and dump them into a bowl, or you can buy carrots with a bit of dirt on them, peel them yourself, cut off the ugly end, and cut them into sticks and put them into a bowl one by one.
    Looking at the two bowls, you might say there's no scientific difference in the two bowls of carrot sticks. I would disagree-the one you prepared yourself is many times better for you.
    You can respond immediately that I'm wrong, or you can contemplate the idea for a couple of days. One of those two options will be more in line with what alt health is about.
    Forget the lilies of the field- contemplate a bowl of carrot sticks.

    BTW-there is no need to drain spinach you boil or steam-USE te liquid-drink it or make it into a sauce- there is no need for any nutrients to be poured down the drain.

    DON'T give it to the dog-brassica vegetables mess up dogs' thyroids.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7469] on March 03, 2009 at 07:14:04:

    In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

    Thanks, UK.

    I am unaware of any place on this website where I have said that microwaved water "killed" plants. I have said that plants watered with microwaved water grew differently than the same plants right beside them grew with regular water. This is an easy experiment to do. Let us know what you learn.

    Personally, I only use my microwave to warm things up.

    Walt

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 03, 2009 at 07:27:05:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 02, 2009 at 22:17:53:

    My convection oven isn't real fast. It has a 2 bake settings - with and w/o fan. The fan setting doesn't seem much faster than w/o, but I still like it better than a microwave.

    I prefer a real oven or my small convection oven. Now all I have to worry about now is acrylamide in foods such as baked potato, breads, etc. :)

    For years I used a single electric counter top heating element to cook my meals. I had a gas stove then that I'd never use at all. I also used micro wave some then, but not a lot.

    In the 80s I micro waved many foods - I was younger then and perhaps felt I'd live forever or something. I'd nuke foods at work at lunch time, many times.

    There are many reasons why I don't use a microwave, and the main one is that I'm devoted to my health and I believe they are a health risk and I don't want to risk my health on something that may very well not do me any good. If it wasn't for that I probably would have kept mine. :)

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 03, 2009 at 07:31:33:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by Walt Stoll [93.7469] on March 03, 2009 at 07:14:04:

    Right, that's how I use my microwave too. I don't use it to cook foods, except rarely when I have little time e.g. cooking a potato before roasting it.

    I am very skeptical plants watered with microwaved water would grow differently to any other plant with regular water. So skeptical, I'm reluctant to even experiment. Snopes seemed to do a pretty good job of busting that myth, in my opinion.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 03, 2009 at 07:41:51:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 03, 2009 at 07:27:05:

    Many dittos there...could we be twins? ;)

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 03, 2009 at 08:06:54:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 03, 2009 at 06:41:10:

    I didn't do that well in school, because I got too bored. I always needed to be challenged doing things, and I usually picked the challenge. I don't need to learn everything about something. When I need to know I will go find out. I enjoyed R&D jobs the most. Being given a task, and having to find out how to accomplish it. When I wanted furniture, made the way I wanted it, and couldn't find in stores, I found out how to make it. When I wanted a stereo designed a certain way, I figured how to build it. I found an old design of loudspeakers I wanted. I looked in an encyclopedia and found plans of a similar design, and modified it to the type I wanted. I started building furniture, and then loudspeakers that I sold in a chain of stores, and when the economy went bad, and the chain closed 5 of its 6 stores, I hooked up with a store that sold all over the world, with the help of a salesman from the chain I became friendly with, who was offered the job of manager. He didn't think he could handle it, though I knew he could, and told him so, and that he had nothing to loose. He got the job and steered a lot of work my way. When transistorized audio electronics were replacing tubes, and the Japanese were taking over the market, we were selling reproductions of old, classic US designs to the older Japanese, who couldn't afford them when younger, and my copy of old loudspeakers fit right in. After my friend got the job as mgr, I told him Not to forget me. The first call he gives me, is to come look at a repo of an old design loudspeaker the store was having made. I go in and it looked like I had made it, from the design to even the teak veneer it was made of, which is what I preferred using, because I had gotten a great deal on 2K sq ft, because it was too small of a batch (flitch) for big cabinet mfgs to want.

    I always like custom things, because all of my family built or made things, so hard for me to be satisfied with things that are sold. I bought a new Subaru, and have many modifications and changes I have and want to make to it, to have it fit me, even to different seats that are the best I ever sat in. New they cost from 1500-3500$ each. I got the whole interior out of the 84-86' model Ford Mustang, that Ford put them in, made by a German Co, when they were trying to make a model to compete with BMW, which I wanted buy but got injured. The whole interior cost me 250$ on Ebay. Ideally I could have the best of both worlds, for the price of an inexpensive car today, if I can get the seats and other items installed. What is fuuny is, the Subaru cost me Exactly what the expensive Mustang cost 20+ yrs ago.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 03, 2009 at 09:04:09:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 03, 2009 at 07:41:51:

    I think so. :) Glad I'm not the only protein type / meat eater here, or at least one of the only ones that speaks out.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by vini [12677.7406] on March 03, 2009 at 12:09:54:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 21:04:32:

    Chris, the reduced power belief is not to do with the waves leakage .instead it is to do with the belief that microwaves change the structure of the food particles and render them hard to digest etc =)

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 03, 2009 at 12:16:14:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by vini [12677.7406] on March 03, 2009 at 12:09:54:

    I personally would like to see some decent evidence of that. A lot of it seems kinda kooky.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 03, 2009 at 20:09:17:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 03, 2009 at 09:04:09:

    One day we'll all be genetically validated. ;o

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 03, 2009 at 20:12:16:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 03, 2009 at 20:09:17:

    Or we'll figure a way to deliver such nutrition (if necessary), without harming animals. Utopia.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7469] on March 04, 2009 at 06:46:20:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 03, 2009 at 07:31:33:

    Thanks, UK.

    My son, Scott (DO), did his master's thesis doing exactly this experiment. He is now a professor of manipulative medicine at the school of Osteopathy in Fort Worth, TX with a private practice of Sport's Medicine on the side. His PhD was in Physiatry.

    I personally saw the results as they grew.

    Walt

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 04, 2009 at 07:03:39:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by Walt Stoll [93.7469] on March 04, 2009 at 06:46:20:

    There are a lot of questions, I'd ask how many experiments he performed? Did he use control groups? Could any of his methods have compromised the integrity of the results? I have read other people perform the same experiment and their results are otherwise. The plants that are fed microwaved water and die may have died anyway for any number of reasons, so that's not really proof in my humble opinion. I have yet to read a good explanation of exactly why the plants would be harmed in the first place.

    "I was shocked when I saw this "water experiment." So I decided to do my own experiment. I had also read somewhere that pouring microwaved water on seeds would prevent them from germinating. Well, I'm into the 2nd week of this experiment and unfortunately, all seeds have germinated are growing very nicely. I'm actually kind of unhappy about this result because I was hoping I could blame microwave ovens on the incredible increase in cancer deaths over the last two decades.
    posted by Pat in Sacramento on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 08:47 PM"

    "I'm doing the same project for Science Horizons. My Results are telling me that microwave water is making my plant grow faster. I'm doing the project twice to see if both results are the same and so far they both are.
    posted by Jaci Jowdy in Connecticut on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 05:43 PM"

    "Sorry I acedentaly pressed enter. But my results are: Bolied water-25in.with 3 flowers, microwave water-26in. with 4 flowers, tap water-20in.with 1 flower, and bottled water-17in. with no flowers. I would love to know what type of plant ur granddaughter used for my project.
    posted by Jaci Jowdy in Danbury,CT on Sat Jan 27, 2007 at 06:58 AM"

    "I did my own experiment with flower seeds with plain tap water, boiled water, and microwaved water. All seeds germinated (although I was hoping the microwaved ones wouldn't). Water is water is water. It has been down through eons of time and will continue to be water. This little girl's experiment was absolutely bogus. We've got enought hoaxes going on today. We don't need someone to pull this kind of stunt.
    posted by Pat in Sacramento on Tue Feb 06, 2007 at 05:08 PM"

    "I have actually done an experiment on that and when we fed plants microwaved water there was no difference between that and the control group

    here is the text of my abstract

    We did an experiment on microwaving water. We wanted to see whether the rumor was true that microwaving water killed plants. We had looked online and supposedly some girl had done an experiment where she microwaved water and fed it to one plant and then fed another plant tap water. She said the one that got microwaved water died. We checked many other places and we also found that a Swedish scientist named Dr. Hans Hertell had conducted a similar experiment. He and some of his colleagues had eaten nothing but microwaved food for a week. After the experiment, they had increased cholesterol and decrease hemoglobin levels and they also had a lower white blood cell percentage. When we tried to find more experiments with plants we could not find anything but the one source. So we decided to do an experiment with more complicated variables to see if it really was the microwaved water that killed the plant.
    For our experiment we fed 8 different solutions to 32 different pole bean plants. Our solutions were microwaved, boiled, distilled, and tap water all either with or without fertilizer. Each day we fed the plants a set amount of their solutions usually from 3 to 5 tablespoons on each solution. Then we measured the plants. We only put in fertilizer once a week. We user skewers to hold the plants up and we tried to measure them several times.
    Our experiment is done and we have found that the microwaved water has not killed the plants. The microwaved plants were actually doing quite fine and some are taller than the boiled and distilled too. posted by scientist on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 05:39 AM"

    Here is a link to pics of another experiment, the plant on the left was given microwaved water, the plant on the water was given boiled on the stove:


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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 04, 2009 at 10:26:33:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by PeterB [12888.1399] on March 03, 2009 at 20:09:17:

    I personally would not apologize to anyone here for eating meat. I pay good money for the high quality grass fed beef I eat. I have a right to eat it and will continue to, whether vegans like me or not. :-)

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 04, 2009 at 10:51:36:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 04, 2009 at 10:26:33:

    Define "right" in this context. It seems to be a subjective opinion, therefore potentially flawed from the perspective of another. White farmers used to think they had the "right" to enslave blacks as slaves. Men used to think women didn't have the "right" to vote. The Nazis thought Jews didn't have the "right" to live. Luckily the human moral zeitgeist has evolved, and will continue to, for example homophobia is now much less tolerated among educated people, and America has a black President.

    One day perhaps speciesism (conferring differing values or rights to beings on the basis of their species membership), might be a hot topic.

    I personally don't dislike a person for eating meat, after all my entire family do.


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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? Archive in EM smog.

    Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7469] on March 05, 2009 at 06:46:27:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 04, 2009 at 07:03:39:

    Thanks, UK.

    I do not recall what species of plants my son used in his experiment. Maybe the effect is species specific. I do know that he got his masters at least partially on the basis of how he did the experiment. With all these reports, I will not worry so much when I warm up my snacks in the microwave.

    Walt

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by Lurch [140.4558] on March 05, 2009 at 09:23:40:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 04, 2009 at 10:51:36:

    I personally don't dislike a person for eating meat

    Glad to hear that. I don't dislike vegans either.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 05, 2009 at 12:14:02:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by VF [12036.7432] on March 03, 2009 at 08:06:54:

    Sounds like you have a lot of skills that I don't have and weren't taught to me. My generation have had it pretty easy and are quite incapable when it comes to many of the things you described. We were taught to buy something if you need it, and relace when broken, not to build or fix. If I lived nearer I'd love to learn from you. I think every young person should have mentors and people to look up to. School and families sometimes don't provide those role models, and the entertainment industry (TV and pop stars) definitely doesn't - quite the opposite in fact. Sports stars can sometimes be inspiring.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by VF [12036.7502] on March 05, 2009 at 14:05:39:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 05, 2009 at 12:14:02:

    we all have our unique talents, and I admire many of yours. It is just what motivates us, and what we will be satisfied with. Some people may have more interest on one technology over another, but are more interesting than someone who just sits and drinks, and watches the TV, and can't get interested in much.

    Talking about exercise, I like to get some of mine fixing things. I learn how to, and save money, And when you know how, it is hard to be satisfied with what or the way others might do it, who are doing it for pay, and don't have to live with the situation. I used to like to build things, and I could have many things that I wanted, that were expensive to buy, but I spent my labor, not money, except for materials. Often I wanted very simple things, but made from certain materials. When I would think of what I wanted, I would think of the ideal. If I wanted a wood table of a certain design, because I like wood, a formica one wouldn't satisfy me, and if I wanted a clean, simple design, a fancier one wouldn't get it, and simple is easy to build. Can't go building an iPod or mp3 player, but something easily built, like a PC, that are an assembly of parts in a case, you just have to learn what you need and get the parts. Then you can have it exactly the way you want it, and often cheaper than buying one assembled.

    I just spent some time trying to find out how to improve the suspension of my new car. Different mfg's have goals they want to meet, to maybe make the car safer for the average driver, or satisfy what the Co thinks they might want. Safety and performance have always been of interest and important to me, and options that are put in police cars, always seemed like the things that were best, being heavy duty, or better at speed or in an emergency. When I see what race cars have in them, and the drivers survive 200mph crashes, and cars have things that do the same job, But can cause injuries themselves. I want the race car stuff. You don't have to drive fast or reckless, to have a situation where they might help you.

    Experiences with different cars I have had, made me enjoy some more than others so that's what I want and like. Sometimes what the co makes isn't exactly what I would want and like. Some things can be changed, and with my injury, I want comfort, but still like performance, and many times what they make doesn't have both. I may have to compromise, and give up some performance for comfort, but I like to make the choices. On a forum I am searching info, I said, I want the car to fit me like a glove, and make me able to say, Ahhh when driving. I have made minor changes or additions, make me more comfortable, and removed or covered some things that distracted me, like got a cover for the dashboard so it doesn't reflect into the windshield when the sun is at a certain angle. Removed the large headrests that restricted my view, and carry one to put back, in case someone rides with me, and took off a white tag on a rear seatbelt that hangs in the back pillar of the station wagon, and then the belt, since the different shape than the smooth pillar it was bolted to, grabbed my attention first, when looking in the rear mirror. Car prices are extreme, so I bought the cheapest car I could, that had a lot of what I wanted, but before buying it, I looked to see how much I could change easily to make it more what I wanted. I like to get the right one, or make it right, and keep it a long time, enjoying it.


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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by Andre [93.7629] on April 22, 2009 at 00:22:29:

    In Reply to: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [10820.7444] on March 02, 2009 at 09:52:26:

    Microwaving foods is so bad for you that a german bioenergetic device has a special program to help rebalance someone that has eaten that stuff. It is not food anymore because it disturbs the body.
    One of my clients had a lot of stomach pain until I told her not to use a microwave. All her pain disappeared. It was a big step toward helping her other symptoms too.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 22, 2009 at 07:10:32:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by Andre [93.7629] on April 22, 2009 at 00:22:29:

    Thanks Andre.

    It would be interesting to conduct a study that proves this, perhaps on rats.

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by Sounder [1667.2765] on April 22, 2009 at 17:31:12:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 22, 2009 at 07:10:32:

    It is cruel to make rats eat TV dinners. ; )

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    Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe?

    Posted by VF [12036.7633] on April 22, 2009 at 22:00:39:

    In Reply to: Re: Is Microwave Cooking Safe? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 22, 2009 at 07:10:32:

    soon they will be saying that microwaving food is healthy. Nitrates in processed meats got a vote of approval, because it forms nitric oxide that relaxes blood vessels, and is said to be good for the heart. Eggs are good now, so we can go Back to eating bacon and eggs, with toast and butter. Never liked margarine anyway. I stay with what I like and wait for the world to come back around. I may cut down on things I like that are said to be bad, but I like them, and what fun would it be to go against my grain? Then find out they were better that the recommended things, sure makes me laugh. You can go crazy following the recommendations, and then get depressed when they say They were Wrong.

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