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Electrical Hypersensitivity

Posted by Andre [93.7629] on April 25, 2009 at 22:17:03:

I am researching electrical hypersensitivity and poaaible treatments.
Any ideas ?

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 25, 2009 at 23:01:43:

In Reply to: Electrical Hypersensitivity posted by Andre [93.7629] on April 25, 2009 at 22:17:03:

Hi Andre,

How about trying to prove that is not the problem?
Could you list your symptoms so we can see what is
happening?

We don't want you moving into the Unabomber's mountain cabin to avoid electricity.

My first guess would be Lyme Disease, because it mimics
so many other conditions.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.2856] on April 26, 2009 at 00:19:43:

In Reply to: Electrical Hypersensitivity posted by Andre [93.7629] on April 25, 2009 at 22:17:03:

Hi Andre,

Get a gaussmeter to find out the strongest electric areas of your house?

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity

Posted by Andre [93.7629] on April 26, 2009 at 00:41:58:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 25, 2009 at 23:01:43:

I dont have electrical hypersensitivity but I know some people that do.
It would be a very unique form of Lyme disease since it would affect people only when exposed to electrical or magnetic fields.
If you dont believe that electromagnetic fields affect us, do a simple muscle test. place an electric device near the head , like a electric razor and push on the extended arm. Most people will test weak.
No matter how strong you are, you will be weak as a kitten and unable to resist.
And that's testing healthy people.
We are electromagnetic beings. Maybe it is possible that some people's electromagnetic fields are too weak and let foreign fields affect them in a negative way.



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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 26, 2009 at 01:37:58:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity posted by Andre [93.7629] on April 26, 2009 at 00:41:58:

Hi Andre,

I have tried something similar...

I held a five pound book on the palm of each hand
with arms outstretched..

My daughter brought my running electric razor
up to my right temple and held it there for close to two minutes..
Both arms tired at about the same rate and gradually sagged. I did not drop either book.

Of course, If I believed that it would weaken me, it probably would have.

It was tiring for sure, because I have not done anything like that since elementary school, when a teacher used the same practice as punishment for talking in class.
I didn't even last 2 minutes back in those days.

When I finally put the books down both arms seemed to want to float in the air. (which is a normal response)

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 26, 2009 at 08:19:13:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 26, 2009 at 01:37:58:

Thanks, Ron.

You only needed to test for less than 5 seconds to determine if you were hypersensitive to electrical fields.

Walt

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 02:28:03:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 26, 2009 at 08:19:13:

Hi Walt,

How do you like the "CHANGE" so far?
Do you think that Nationalized healthcare is going to
be the way that the government will set wages for
doctors, or will they be happy to only limit the profits of HMOs?

Will all doctors have to belong to a Union?
Will Multi-Doctor clinics be outlawed?
Will specialists have a higher pay scale?
Will litigation be outlawed or only limited to prevent
multi-million dollar settlements?
Will doctors be told where they must practice...
such as in a small town in Fly-over Country?

I can see litigation limits also affecting the livelihood of tort lawyers.

Will he ever stop the Alternative Docs or will they be
included?

This President is moving so fast he may not need a second term to cancel Article 2.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 27, 2009 at 10:02:43:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 02:28:03:

Ron, I lived in a one-horse town where they had to lure a doctor into town when our local doctor retired (the end of that era). This man was brilliant but I think an alcoholic. He had a traffic accident that killed three women in the other car. But he probably saved lives as well. In fact, my mother came to town and promptly had a heart attack. I don't know what we would have done if he hadn't been there when all hospitals were a half hour drive away. He continued with his own practice into his 80's (age). A hospital bought the practice during the 1990's which probably brought the hospital more patients and lab tests over the other two hospitals in other directions. But with that change came the problem of no one on hand after 5 pm or (when my mother needed help) at 6 am. Not even an answering machine is on.
I'm not sure what my point is but no system seems to satisfy. There were many medicaid people but in the earlier days the medicare payment was actually higher than the doctor was charging regular patients so I had to pay more when our family went for office visits because they couldn't charge me less when medicare patients paid more. I'm sure their overhead was a lot less being stationed in an old church but he developed it adding x-ray machines and even selling the antibiotics you needed until the local pharmacy complained. Anyway, the system evolves but it's still not good for many people.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by PhillyLady [12288.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 12:13:05:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 02:28:03:

Ron:

All these questions you're asking....Maybe it will be just like where you are (in Canada).

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 16:03:41:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by PhillyLady [12288.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 12:13:05:

Hi Philly,

I hope it isn't too much like our system or small towns will not have any permanent doctors.. or MRI clinics.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 16:08:01:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 27, 2009 at 10:02:43:

Hi AT,

Maybe you should have tried bartering with a couple of chickens and a big bag of apples or corn?

Wouldn't cash and no tax be a discount creator?

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 27, 2009 at 19:09:58:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 16:08:01:

It's mostly dairy farms in upstate NY but I didn't own a cow....or milk. I know I'm talking about the last century, lol, but not THAT long ago.
You know what, we did pay cash. I think everyone did. We then kept all our receipts and turned them into our insurance companies to see if we would get anything back. It's amazing how the medical costs have skyrocketed. Of course when we paid $16 per visit to the pediatrician it was a big part of a school teacher's salary.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 20:00:41:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 27, 2009 at 19:09:58:

Hi AT,

"Of course when we paid $16 per visit to the pediatrician it was a big part of a school teacher's salary."
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That was back in the early 60s I think...
Now the teachers can be making $400 a day for 5 hours
in the class.
Have your wages gone up that much?

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 27, 2009 at 20:55:38:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 20:00:41:

Well when you exclude the vacation days and summer, yes, it's close to that. Of course, if you deduct all the overtime you don't get, it pulls it back down, lol. Governor Cuomo was very good to teachers in New York state.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 22:25:04:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 27, 2009 at 20:55:38:

Hi AT,

Then of course, when they retire, they move to Florida, another state without a State tax... where they get on the internet and complain about the Republicans being greedy.

Bernie Madoff was a Democrat who cheated other democrats. I like that quality in a Democrat...
That is why he is going to jail. There is a code after all.

Must be nice

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (no overtime?)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 22:28:21:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 27, 2009 at 20:55:38:

Hi At,

No overtime? What about Summer School?

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by PhillyLady [1262.7651] on April 27, 2009 at 22:48:26:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 22:25:04:

Ron:

"...Bernie Madoff was a Democrat who cheated other democrats"

Where did you read that? I think this is incorrect information. I read that most of his victims were Jewish like he is, but no mention of political affiliation. Spielberg might be Republican.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by PhillyLady [1262.7651] on April 27, 2009 at 22:52:38:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 16:03:41:

You Canadians are doing just fine. Quit whining!

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)-- Future of system. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7645] on April 28, 2009 at 08:30:31:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 02:28:03:

Ron,

All good questions. However, my health does not permit trying to answer all of them at one sitting--even if I HAD all the answers.

Several main points that I AM sure of:

1. The disease care crisis will never be satisfactorily addressed until we ALL stop calling it a health care system and call it what it is: a disease care system! Long term prevention is the only true solution.

2. Complememtary (sig "alternative") docs must be covered since they all are board certified MDs or DOs. DCs must be covered since they provide a big part of what MDs have been forbidden to learn for political and economic reasons.

3. As long as they continue to concentrate on the money aspect of the problem, little will change in the long run.

4. The medical/legal aspect is a separate problem which also needs to be addressed but that is for another year.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 28, 2009 at 09:50:20:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 27, 2009 at 22:25:04:

If you move out of the state you then pay NY state tax. If you stay in NY you pay no state tax.
Was Bernie a Democrat? He was also Jewish but you are not going to use that, are you Ron?

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)-- Future of system. Archive.

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 14:12:33:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)-- Future of system. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7645] on April 28, 2009 at 08:30:31:

Thanks Walt.

I was just asking to make people think about the
possibilities.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 14:15:48:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 28, 2009 at 09:50:20:

Hi AT,

If you move permanently out of NY State, are you saying that you will THEN have to pay NY State tax?

Please direct me to where that is written.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 14:29:07:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by PhillyLady [1262.7651] on April 27, 2009 at 22:48:26:

Hi Philly,

It is hard to find a specific article that says Democrat in the same sentence with Bernie Madoff..
That in itself is a clue.. because if he was a Republican, the media would never stop mentioning
it...
Here is a link that shows that during Clinton's reign,
Madoff was not investigated very closely, even after accusations of a Ponzi scheme.


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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by PhillyLady [9150.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 14:36:09:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 14:29:07:

So, in other words, you have no proof he's a Democrat. You're just making it up as you go along. Not surprising!

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 18:44:54:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by PhillyLady [9150.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 14:36:09:

Hi Philly,

Enough already.. I did some homework

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=Madoff&first=Bernard

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/bernie-madoff-democrat

http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/2009/02/will-barack-obama-become-the-new-bernie-madoff.html

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by PhillyLady [10299.7656] on April 28, 2009 at 19:32:02:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 18:44:54:

Ron:

Unless you give me a "clickable", I won't take the time to cut and paste. However, I did some searches on my own and it turns out Madoff is a Libertarian. He is NOT a Democrat. Enough already!

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) P.S.

Posted by PhillyLady [10299.7656] on April 28, 2009 at 19:32:42:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by PhillyLady [10299.7656] on April 28, 2009 at 19:32:02:

Make that "Clickable link".

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 28, 2009 at 19:44:20:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 14:15:48:

Yes, that is stipulated. If you stay in NY you do not have to pay. Offhand, I can't remember where it's written. It might be in the tax code or it may have come from the retirement system. How important is it, cause it would take some time for me to find it. I think it applies to all state workers.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 28, 2009 at 19:46:02:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 14:15:48:

I have since found out from some of the snowbirds in my development that if they stay in Florida for six months, they can escape paying NY State tax but these are not state retirees.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 08:35:17:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by PhillyLady [1262.7651] on April 27, 2009 at 22:52:38:

Hi Philly,


You may think we are doing fine, but
Our stock market dropped just like yours did.

Our housing market is being falsely help up by
how interest rates, but we do not have the benefit of 25 or 30 year term mortgages.. Ours can be locked for
no more than 7 years.

Our oil/gas has always been higher than yours, even though we sell it to the US...
Right now we are paying 86 cents a liter for regular
(or $3.50 a gallon. Last summer it was $1.45 a liter for reg or %6.00 a gal)

The auto sales are in the toilet here too...

If you have hyper-inflation, we are going to have
to follow or we will be paying more for gas because (Our pump prices are tied to the US by the NAFTA free-trade deal. We can't sell to the US for a price that is higher than what we sell to ourselves. MAybe the government will subsidize us in other ways. like
higher income taxes.. sure we are "Doing fine?"


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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 08:41:23:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 28, 2009 at 19:44:20:

Hi AT,

I bet that is fairly new like in the last budget.
I know that if a Canadian stays more than 6 months
they can loose eligibility for their own healthcare when they return to Canada.

I doubt that anyone who does not spend a lot of time in Florida has even heard about it.
If you find out where it s written, pass it on.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (link)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 08:43:24:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 18:44:54:

Hi Philly

here is one


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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (link 2)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 08:44:37:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 18:44:54:

Hi Philly

here is #two


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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (link 3)

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 08:45:31:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 28, 2009 at 18:44:54:

Hi Philly

here is #three


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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 29, 2009 at 08:57:31:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 08:41:23:

I will look for the rule about state retirees for you Ron, but that has been in effect for many years. The snowbirds have only told me that they don't return until June 1st to avoid the tax and that was new to me when I heard it a year or so ago.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by PhillyLady [12288.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 09:45:05:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 08:35:17:

Ron:

You are no worst off than we are in the U.S. If you think the grass is so green here then come on over and live here. What? You don't want to. Oh, I thought so. All mouth and no action:-)

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (link 2)

Posted by PhillyLady [12288.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 09:49:21:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (link 2) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 08:44:37:

Ron:

How dumb do you think we are? The link says nothing about Madoff being a Democrat. Madoff contributed to both Democrats and Republicans. He is a Libertarian. The link talks about his donations, but not whether he is a registered Democrat or Republican. I had no trouble reading the link accurately. I suggest you do the same. Again, I ask you, how dumb do you think we are?

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (link 3)

Posted by PhillyLady [12288.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 09:54:32:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (link 3) posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 08:45:31:

Ron:

Again, out of desperation, you post another crappy link that contributes nothing to the subject we were discussing. Madoff is not a Democrat. Hey, how about that Lyme disease, Ronnie? Got any links?

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) P.S.

Posted by Ron [5412.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 15:00:56:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) P.S. posted by PhillyLady [10299.7656] on April 28, 2009 at 19:32:42:

Hi Philly,

You might want to make that a "Capitalist Libertarian"

Equally hated by the other two big parties, especially now.

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7650] on May 01, 2009 at 17:52:51:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 29, 2009 at 08:57:31:

Hi AT,

"I will look for the rule about state retirees for you Ron, but that has been in effect for many years. The snowbirds have only told me that they don't return until June 1st to avoid the tax and that was new to me when I heard it a year or so ago."
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Sounds like you are saying that a retired NY State
employee who moves PERMANENTLY to Florida would have to continue paying NY State tax...

What would happen if they moved permanently to another southern state where there already was a State tax to pay?
Would they then have to pay TWO State taxes.
Wouldn't that be challenged under the Constitution
as "Taxation Without Representation" ?



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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7650] on May 01, 2009 at 18:01:13:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by AT [11797.4426] on April 29, 2009 at 08:57:31:

Hi AT,

I heard that if a NY State resident bought goods or items outside NY and then brought these goods back to use in NY, that they were supposed to (on the Honour system) relinquish NY Sales Tax.
Isn't that a bit like Communism?

I wonder if a NY state resident bought a car in NY and then drove it directly to Florida to live there permanently, could they get their Sales Tax refunded?
(After all, it was an EXPORT.)

If the car was from NY and the buyer was in Florida,
and the car was bought over the Internet on CraigsList,
could NY claim sales tax from a resident of Florida?

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Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing)

Posted by Ron [5412.7650] on May 03, 2009 at 03:06:45:

In Reply to: Re: Electrical Hypersensitivity (One More thing) posted by PhillyLady [12288.7633] on April 29, 2009 at 09:45:05:

Hi Philly,

Once US Nationalized Healthcare is in place, that will be a big plus to encourage Canadians to move south
premanently.. Will Our healthcare be treated as Equal or will there still be an extra charge to prevent the
flood of Canadian patients from pouring across the border.
Will the border disappear?



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