Walt,
Well Linda has been working on the daily exercise and doing her best at keeping to whole foods while eliminating wheat (I think dairy will be next to go). She has also been taking Herbal Fibre as part of the 4r program (I'm off to pick up the book shortly). The skilled relaxation is next on the list.
Now the question. About 5 weeks ago she started getting terrible nausea. It seems to hit about 4 days after her period ends. It is very bad for about a week then gets progressively better and is just about completely gone during her period, then hits again about 4 days after her period ends.
She had her hormone levels checked which were normal. Pregnancy test was negative. The two things that may have some relation in that they occured shortly before the nausea: she had her final dose of Paxil (after tappering off very gradually) and also stopped taking a thyroid med. (lyothironine - I believe this was the spelling).
She also got back some mercury toxicity results that show elevated mercury after one round of IV DMPS.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Peter
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Re: Nausea
Posted by Walt Stoll on November 27, 1998 at 07:02:56:
In Reply to: Nausea posted by Peter Wray on November 26, 1998 at 14:08:46:
Hi, Peter.
How old is she? When did she start the 4-R program?
For this to be so reliably connected to her hormonal cycle, it HAS to be hormonally related. Whoever is ordering the hormone tests has not ordered the right one yet. Since this science of looking for causes is in its infancy, the tests (or the expertise) may not yet be available.
SO, when one comes up against a brick wall, the answer is not to keep butting your bloody head against it but to figure out another way around. Your doc is to be congratulated for at least looking. The usual approach, in this situation, would be for the doc to say something inane and prescribe an antinauseant (ad nauseum-----------just couldn't resist).
What kind of cause related professionals are you already dealing with?
Walt
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Re: Nausea
Posted by Helena on November 27, 1998 at 11:06:32:
In Reply to: Nausea posted by Peter Wray on November 26, 1998 at 14:08:46:
Hi, as a woman who has also experienced what seemed to
be hormonally-related nausea, I can relate to what she
is going through. My discoveries were that while
I would get nausea on the first day of my period,
it was always related to the ingestion of one or all
of the following foods: Chicken (I suspect due to
the hormones they are fed/antibiotics given to them),
fatty dairy (such as ice cream- due perhaps to the
hormones in the dairy), and finally: soy products
(everything from tofu, soya flour, soy milk, ect.) Now that I avoid these categories- chicken, dairy and soy, I experience no nausea whatsoever, and my menstrual are greatly diminished. Whereas I used to spend 24 hours in the washroom on my first day of my period, sick as a dog, I can now relax, take a couple advils (if needed) and be happy. I wish her my best.
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Re: Nausea
Posted by Michele on November 27, 1998 at 20:05:57:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea posted by Helena on November 27, 1998 at 11:06:32:
Hey, I have the same thing!!! I also have some sort of hormonal inbalance which so impacted me one time last June that I wound up in the ER--kept fainting, vomiting, had diarrhea, chills and extreme nausea and pain. They say it's a hormonal imbalance, but said no more than that--and wouldn't you know it...my insurance company said it's a pre-existing condition and won't pay my bill, it's still in appeal. Anyhow, I'll try avoiding those same foods and see what happens. Thanks!
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Re: Nausea
Posted by Peter Wray on November 27, 1998 at 21:44:37:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea posted by Walt Stoll on November 27, 1998 at 07:02:56:
She is 43.
As for the 4r program, she has not started per se. We have done some preliminary reading while waiting for the book to arrive. What she has been doing is taking a dietary herbal fibre product to try to cleanse her intestianl tract.
She now is begining to experience some discomfort in the upper right of her abdomin, just under the rib cage. We are wondering about gall bladder problems. The ultrasound is booked in 2 weeks time.
Peter
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Re: Nausea
Posted by Walt Stoll on November 28, 1998 at 17:42:12:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea posted by Peter Wray on November 27, 1998 at 21:44:37:
Hi, Peter.
43 is MUCH to young to be having stuff like this.
Of course, you both know that all gall bladder problems are caused directly by LGS. You can take the gall bladder out of the girl but you cannot remove the LGS so easily.
Finally, once I learned about Edgar Cayce's work, I never had to send one patient for gall bladder surgery (+10 years). Up to then, I was sending 5-10 patients every year to support the surgeon------------and they were glad to recommend surgery.
Go to the healthfood store and talk to them about the "gall bladder flush". Also have them give you the protocol for "castor oil packs to the liver area".
Between the two of these, she will likely become symptom free in a few days. THEN, the problems should not recur unless she does not deal with the LGS.
Let us know how she does.
Happy Holidays, again. Walt
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Re: Nausea
Posted by Helena on November 28, 1998 at 18:02:37:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea posted by Michele on November 27, 1998 at 20:05:57:
Hi Michele, I should mention that I also avoid gluten,
but that did nothing to relieve my menstrual nausea/cramps.
Still, gluten intolerance can cause nausea in some
people. I'm mentioning this in case the avoidance of
chicken, dairy and soy don't help you. All the best to you,
and let know how it works out for you. Helena
Re: Nausea
Posted by Peter Wray on November 28, 1998 at 19:54:21:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea posted by Walt Stoll on November 28, 1998 at 17:42:12:
Walt i'm curious about how Edgar Cayce fits in here. I am unfortunately not familiar with his work.
Peter
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Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal
Posted by Peter Wray on November 28, 1998 at 22:22:58:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea posted by Walt Stoll on November 28, 1998 at 17:42:12:
I am wondering if this is all being complicated by withdrawal from Paxil. She was on Paxil for depression for about five months. Went off it very gradually. The nausea hit 3 days after the final dose. I was reading on another BB about the tremendous side effects of Paxil when ceasing usage. She has been off it for five weeks now. Is it possible that these are still withdrawal effects. She most certainly had some of the typical withdrawal effects (not that any of the mainstream doctors would admit that was what they were).
She has been trying the caster oil treatment. Will have to wait and see on that, but it is a painless and soothing treatment. We'll try to get some more info. on a gall bladder cleansing tonic.
Thanks Again.
Peter
Than
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Re: Nausea
Posted by Walt Stoll on November 29, 1998 at 10:18:25:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea posted by Peter Wray on November 28, 1998 at 19:54:21:
Hi, Peter.
Edgar Cayce was called the "Sleeping Prophet" and did his trance work in the 40s & 50s. He would go into a trance & speak. People would record his words. So far, everything he said, that has been checked out in major medical centers, have been proven to be safe & effective.
There is a "Center for Research & Enlightenment" in Virginia Beach, VA that houses all his works and sponsors this kind of research at medical centers (Call Tom Johnson at (800) 862-2923 for information about the center. Tell him Teri Lynn Johnson & I suggested you call.) Tom can also send you original protocols for the "gall bladder flush" and the "castor oil packs for the liver". There is a Medical Center in Phoenix, AZ that is based on his work (Call Gladys McGarey, MD at (602) 990-1528 for information).
Weird but true! Walt
Re: Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal
Posted by Walt Stoll on November 29, 1998 at 10:22:30:
In Reply to: Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal posted by Peter Wray on November 28, 1998 at 22:22:58:
Dear Peter,
It IS likely that the Paxil "withdrawal" is still a problem. Unfortunately, these kind of drugs can cause permanent changes in brain chemistry that would make her more susceptible to what we have been talking about all this time. That will just make it harder for her to finally resolve this problem.
The reason I put the "withdrawal" in quotes is that this is no longer withdrawal as the term is commonly used although it was likely triggered by that very withdrawal.
Is this making sense to you?
Walt
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Re: Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal
Posted by Peter on November 29, 1998 at 20:00:04:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal posted by Walt Stoll on November 29, 1998 at 10:22:30:
The thought that this is "permanent" is pretty scary to say the least.
Any suggestions as to how to reduce these symptoms? Should she go back on a very low dose and try tappering off agian? Will these symptoms gradually resolve themself? I have read that bonine or Benadryl help. She is not too keen on adding more drugs to the mix.
Thanks Again Walt - you're the calm in the storm.
pw
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Re: Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal
Posted by Walt Stoll on November 30, 1998 at 10:14:13:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal posted by Peter on November 29, 1998 at 20:00:04:
Hi, Peter.
I did not mean to scare either of you but you need facts to deal with anything.
IF this is a permanent brain change, continuing the Paxil, even in tiny doses, will continue the damage till she has to take large doses just to "stand still".
Remember, we only use about 1% of our brains anyhow. If she just improves the function of her brain tissue 1%, she will be twice as good as the rest of us already. In other words, it shouldn't be hard to bypass any permanent changes from the Paxil by just improving the function of the brain functions she has left.
Walt
Re: Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal (addendum)
Posted by Walt Stoll on November 30, 1998 at 10:18:28:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal posted by Peter on November 29, 1998 at 20:00:04:
Dear Peter,
Just to be sure you have this right:
Her nausea is (like her GB, etc.) from her LGS. Her LGS is bothering her more because of the inefficiency of her brain tissue to cope with the stored stress-effect in her hypothalamus. The Paxil problem is NOT causing her nausea directly although it likely contributed to her brain tissue inefficiency.
Clear as mud?
Walt
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Re: Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal (addendum)
Posted by Peter on November 30, 1998 at 21:23:27:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea and Paxil Withdrawal (addendum) posted by Walt Stoll on November 30, 1998 at 10:18:28:
Yes - I do understand.
Thanks Again Walt.
Re: Nausea - Another Piece of the Puzzle
Posted by Peter Wray on December 10, 1998 at 18:09:25:
In Reply to: Nausea posted by Peter Wray on November 26, 1998 at 14:08:46:
According to Environmental doc. that Linda has been seeing, Paxil will be out of the blood stream fairly quickly, so, as you said Walt, this isn't really withdrawal, but it is stored in fatty tissue for a long time. This will vary considerably from person to person. The theory, if I've got this straight, is that the nausea is caused by the release of histamine into her system. This would account for the reduction in nausea when she took Benedryl (this was suggested by others who had experienced similar symptoms coming of anti-depressants).
So the solution is to get it out of the fatty tissue by sweating and through increased physical activity.
I would guess that someone with LGS would have more difficulty eliminating toxins like this, so another piece fits into the puzzle.
Just thought I'd share this with other readers.
Peter
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Re: Nausea - Another Piece of the Puzzle
Posted by Walt Stoll on December 11, 1998 at 19:17:47:
In Reply to: Re: Nausea - Another Piece of the Puzzle posted by Peter Wray on December 10, 1998 at 18:09:25:
Thanks, Peter.
I can't argue with that.
Walt