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Walt,
So far, as we can see in the archives, you recommended the book of Dr. Paavo Airola "Everywoman's book" as a preparation before conceiving and during pregnancy.
The problem with Airola is that he promotes a lacto-vegetarian diet for everybody. If one supports this theory of Airola, it means one completely deny the works of Rudolf A. Wiley, Robert McFerran, Peter D'Adamo and others. Then you should clarify your position.
Personnaly, I believe that the theories of Dr. Wiley and Robert McFerran are very valuable and Peter D'Adamo's theory as good things too, then I totally disagree with the view of Dr. Airola of the lacto-vegetarian diet at large. If Dr. Wiley and Robert McFerran are only 75% right, the diet of Airola would be the best way for not being able to get pregnant and for miscariage for a large percentage of womens.
On your recommandation, I bought and read "Everywoman's book" a few months ago thinking it would help us to optimise our health before to conceive a child. I have been a bit disappointed since I was already aware of most of the good information in it and the suggested diet is simply not applicable for my girlfriend and my.
My spouse has hypoglycemic tendencies and she cannot eat only bread and fruits at breakfast for example because she will be weak and hungry again after only 2 hours. She is maybe not a hunter-gatherer like me but probably of a mixed type metabolism.
We finally take action and she got pregnant at our very first trial, which is not bad for a 42 years old woman. It seams on the right track.
Instead of the lacto-vegetarian diet of Mr. Airola, she AVOID cow's milk product except yogourt and goat's cheeze once in while and, just in case Dr. D'Adamo was right about his lectins, she avoid wheat, corn and most of the bad lectins of his blood type, O. Instead of wheat, she rather eat spelt, kamut, buckwheat, etc. I also encourage her to eat some meat almost at every meal because I believe she need some animal protein and fat. Of course, she eats many vegetables.
For peoples interested in the book "Everywoman's book", I would say that it is interesting but if you are already convince of obvious things like the benefits of breathfeeding, avoiding refine sugar, additives, pollution, etc, reading it is maybe not the best investment you can do with your time. It will be valuable only if you are convinced that you have got an agriculturist metabolism.
Here are two interesting articles on the subject:
http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/2/vegetarian_myths.htm
http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/airola.html
There is an important line in the second one.
"Despite all this, Airola was only 64 when he suffered a fatal stroke"
For me, a health reference person should live to at least 80.
That was my opinion.
Thanks
Serge Campeau
In Reply to: **** I don't agree with Airola! **** posted by Serge C. on May 19, 2001 at 13:44:51:
Serge,
To support your belief in need of animal protein and fat, I would like to mention the work of Dr. Weston Price, whom Dr. Stoll respects very much. What confuses me, though, is that Dr. Stoll seems to also recommend Pritikin's diet. The man recommended a nofat diet and died at early age of cancer. Having too little diet fat increases both cancer and stroke risks. Ann Louise Gittleman, M.S., C.N.S., the former director of nutrition at the renowned Pritikin Longevity Center doesn't promote low fat diet anymore, after having seen its failures. Now she promotes a 40/30/30 nutrition program (40 percent carbohydrate, 30 percent protein, 30 percent fat).
In Reply to: Re: **** I don't agree with Airola! **** posted by R. on May 19, 2001 at 17:25:15:
Based on my experience with this board, Walt preaches that there is no one correct diet. Everyone needs to figure out what works for them. But the underlying theme seems to be following a close to whole foods diet, whether it be vegetarian, or hunter gatherer.
In Reply to: Re: **** I don't agree with Airola! **** posted by R. on May 19, 2001 at 17:25:15:
Dr. Stoll doesn't preach the Pritikin way. Read the glossary. He says of Pritikin that "the operation was a success but the patient died". His diet may reverse heart disease, but you shouldn't do it long term. Once you've cleared the arteries, you have to add fat back into the diet.
In Reply to: Re: **** I don't agree with Airola! **** posted by beth on May 20, 2001 at 16:30:27:
In Reply to: **** I don't agree with Airola! **** posted by Serge C. on May 19, 2001 at 13:44:51:
Thanks, Serge.
NO ONE has the answers to it all and no one is totally right. Do not "throw out the baby with the bathwater". In comparison to the prevailing "American Diet", Airola's suggestions are VERY helpful although not for everyone. The diets you suggested (in comparison) are not for everyone either--as I have repeatedly said on this BB.
It would take years of professional education to teach every infertile couple even most of the known ins and outs of what they could do for themselves and their problem. In lieu of that he did a masterful job of taking one readable book and nelping most who would try it.
In answer to your comment about his "stroke". It was due to a congenital "berry aneurysm" that NO amount of healthy lifestyle would have done anything about. Read up on it.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: **** I don't agree with Airola! **** posted by R. on May 19, 2001 at 17:25:15:
Thanks, R.
First of all, as I have said many times on this BB, the Pritikin Diet is a great therapeutic diet for the potentially immediately fatal condition of athersclerosis but should not be continued for more than a year or two since that is all the time it takes to end up with normal arteries.
Pritikin's mistake was not knowing the difference between a therapeutic diet and a maintenance diet which has 5% more fat in it than the therapeutic diet. After all Pritikin was not a physician.
Next, do you know the exact age Pritikin was when he died? Hardly an "early age" (about the average age for that kind of cancer)! I have no doubt that his maintaining the diet, that had saved his life, materially contributed to his death by cancer. According to all of his physicians, he should have died 30+ years earlier of his atherosclerosis.
Gittleman's program will not work as we all will see in a few years. The therapeutic diet MUST have less that 10% of it's calories as fat. "Too little fat" is NOT less than 30% but less than 10% over years--->MUCH longer than it takes to reverse atherosclerosis. 30% CAUSES atherosclerosis!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: **** I don't agree with Airola! **** Archive in atherosclerosis. posted by Walt Stoll on May 21, 2001 at 08:17:41:
30% CAUSES atherosclerosis!
According to W. Price's work (as I know it), this is not true.
Regarding Gittleman's program, I don't think it's supposed to be therapeutic. I think she recommends it as a regular diet that improves health. Also, Atkin's diet doesn't care for fat content in the diet. High protein and low carbs diet reverses heart atherosclerosis, according to him, and he is cardiologist.
In Reply to: Re: **** I don't agree with Airola! **** (Insufficient information.) (Archive in infertility.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 21, 2001 at 07:40:58:
Thanks Walt,
For sure there is good stuff in this book. I just wanted to point out that the suggested diet is indeed not for everyone, like you said. And based on Robert McFerran's stuff, the proportion of 100% of time agriculturist metabolism among women is far from the majority.
Most people that come here doesn't necessary have the time to read everything in the archives and be aware of every subtilities and exception. It took a HUGE amount of time. Then when you say "You should read EVERYWOMEN'S BOOK and apply it 2 years before conception", most people looking for a "miracle recipe" will probably apply it with eyes closed. Just reading completely this book is already an effort for the average (ignorant) people. Especially when his natural langage is not english (like in my case). Then when you recommend a book, maybe you should add some comments about exceptions or about what you know in the book is less valuable.
Thanks for the precision about Airola's stroke.
Serge
In Reply to: Fat and atherosclerosis posted by R. on May 21, 2001 at 14:39:37:
Hi, R.
Check the report of the President's Blue Ribbon Commission about this in the '70s. Also see the dissenting report by the half of the members that walked out rather than have their names appended to what was forced by the lobbyists against what the commission had originally found: More than 15% fat in the diet CAUSES a graduated increase in atherosclerosis in the general public. The 30% number was forced on the copmmittee by the dairy and meat industries.
Let us know what you learn.
It makes me cry to see how true science is bastardized by the political and economic powers--even to the point where something like the Pritikin Program would destroy themselves to go along with it. Pritikin would turn over in his grave!
Pritikin's original program was the first breakthrough in this terrible condition.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: **** I don't agree with Airola! **** (Insufficient information.) (Archive in infertility.) posted by Serge C. on May 22, 2001 at 13:02:14:
I should have said "clarification" instead of "precision". Excuse me for this mistake.
In Reply to: Re: Fat and atherosclerosis (Check it out!) posted by Walt Stoll on May 23, 2001 at 09:36:31:
Hi walt and R.
I don't know what you think about it, but I am tired of earing of only "fat" like if it was a single element. What fat are we taking about? Nobody will tell me that the same XX% will have the same effect whatever the type of fat it is. Saturated, polyunsaturated, natural, transformed, omega 3, omega 6, ...?
20% of hydrogenated oil would probably kill everybody. 20% of natural saturated animal fat would probably kill a large proportion of poeple while being perfect for me. 20% of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat from vegetable oil would maybe not causing any problem for most people while it cause me heartburn and fatigue.
I would like these nutritionnists to be a bit more precise, then people could understand better.
And we have to not forget the point that "there is no single diet ideal for everybody".
If the numbers from Robert are exact: 85% agriculturist among men, then the 30% fat is certainly not a good idea at large.
This remind me a question: Airola said that Esquimos die young because of their diet. Robert said that this is not true and that their diet is adapted to their metabolism.
Who is right? Is it true that they die prematurely?
Thanks
Serge
In Reply to: Re: **** I don't agree with Airola! **** (Insufficient information.) (Archive in infertility.) posted by Serge C. on May 22, 2001 at 13:02:14:
Thanks, Serge.
Good points. The reason I have not done exactly that already is that I just do not have the energy to do so.
The reading is sort of a litmus test for those who might actually be ready to apply themselves to becoming experts enough, personally, that they find themselves on a different road toward health than they were before. THAT opens them up to the wealth of new thought out there. There is no way I can choose the "way" for them. All I can hope to do is open a door just a little.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Fat and atherosclerosis (Check it out!) posted by Serge C. on May 23, 2001 at 20:52:43:
Hi, Serge.
I do not know about the Eskimos.
I DO know that the fat % the government is talking about is the usual fat in the American Diet.
Many of the fats Americans are actually deficient in (omegas) help with fat metabolisnm and actually reduce the problems of too much "fat" in the diet. This field is just being (finally) worked out. Ask me again in about 20 years.
In the meaaantime, there are researchers like Udo Erasmus, who are working at the cutting edge and whose works would help a lot more for these kind of questions than anything I could say.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
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