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Hi Dr. Stoll!
SR is going fine. I think I'm in the alpha state. I almost feel like I'm waking up from a good night's sleep when I'm finished. Although, I know I wasn't asleep.
The liver pain is still there. I've been doing the castor oil packs 3x/week for about 1 hour each time. It's been about a week and a half now. Is this a healing crisis?
My exercise question is this: Can one exercise too much? Before my heel spur made its appearance, I was walking about 4 miles 4-5x/week. I'm about 30 lbs overweight, and it's very difficult for me to lose weight, even with the exercise. I have read about all these success stores about overweight people deciding to go on a weight loss regimen including a walk around the block and lose 10 lbs the first week! I've been exercising all my life and about kill myself to lose a measly 2 lbs. It seems like I have to do more and more to be able to lose the weight I want. It's going to be even more difficult now that I can't walk. I know I can ride my bike, but I live in Tampa and it's been raining a lot lately (thankfully). My only other option is to go to aqua aerobics, which I'm planning on.
After putting on a few pounds since I've been idle, my weight has stabilized. Will I be able to go out there and exercise a little bit and lose the weight I want, or will I have to kill myself again? It just seems the more I exercise, the more I need to to keep my weight stabilized. Any insight?
Thank you.
Joanie
In Reply to: Exercise Question posted by Joanie on July 25, 2000 at 19:38:42:
4 miles 4-5x/week, while a good start, is not a lot. "A lot" is long distance runners putting in 100 miles a week. Or hikers putting in 15 miles a day with a heavy backpack on their back. That's a lot.
Losing 10 lbs. in the first week is very, very common. Mostly it water weight, not bodyfat. It's losing another 2 lbs. of bodyfat in the 20 week that separates the winners from the yo-yo dieters.
It's not weight that matters, it's bodyfat that counts.
Take whatever exercise you like to do, and add a tiny bit more each and every week. Either increase the duration or increase the intensity. If it takes you 1 hour to walk 4 miles, try to do it in 59 minutes. Then 58 minutes. Then 57 minutes. Or go 4 1/8 miles. Then 4 1/4 miles. Then 4 3/8th miles. Do that for a year - then see what your results are.
Overdoing usually results from adding too much, too soon. Either that or not letting allowing your body sufficient rest and nutrition. If you do get an overuse injury, switch exercises to something that does not aggravate the injury. There are thousands of exercise programs, sports, routines, etc. to choose from. But don't let the FEAR of hard work stop you from exercising. I'd much rather have an activity-related injury than a inactivity-related disease.
In Reply to: Re: Exercise Question posted by Lincoln on July 25, 2000 at 19:56:52:
Did I ask you that already???
Sorry if I did - I'm in a horribly stress filled and hectic time right now and find myself suffering from "some-timers" disease every so often!
hope you're well, anyway!
trish
In Reply to: Re: Exercise Question posted by Lincoln on July 25, 2000 at 19:56:52:
Hi Lincoln,
Thanks for the input. I don't have a fear of working hard to get results, it's just that I don't seem to get the right results when I do work hard. I have tried weight work and using the nautilus machines at the gym, but all I do is gain muscle. The fat doesn't go away. I can't do any weight bearing exercise for now, so that leaves bike riding and water aerobics. Any ideas on how to get rid of this spur? I've tried cortisone shots, orthotics and now i'm in physical therapy. I'm also using ice. It still hurts, and it's driving me crazy. I want to avoid surgery at all costs. Thanks a lot.
Joanie
In Reply to: Re: Exercise Question posted by Joanie on July 26, 2000 at 08:04:09:
I have no knowledge or opinion on the treatment of bone spurs.
If you are gaining muscle in the gym, which is excellent, and you are still not losing fat, then you must be eating more than necessary. Simple as that.
Be sure you are tracking your bodyfat % and not your weight. That's the only true way to determine if you are losing fat and gaining muscle.
In Reply to: Hi Lincoln - how's that achilles tendon doing? posted by trish on July 25, 2000 at 21:01:22:
My recovery is well ahead of schedule. Both my doctor and physical therapist commented that my high level of fitness has helped. Long-term issues that would be a concern otherwise - especially related to the poor circulation characteristics of that area of the heel - should not be a problem.
What I'm working on now is building strength and proprioceptive (sp?) awareness. In other words, I have a slight limp because I can't put full weight on the ball of my foot and my balance on that ankle is bad. Flexibility and muscle size is probably back to 90%, I'd guess.
In Reply to: Doing nicely. posted by Lincoln on July 26, 2000 at 12:20:55:
The only way I seem to loose weight is by cuting food intake
drastically but I probably didn't do that much physically
to burn the calories and now that I'm severly limited I have
to get hunger pangs and fight them off for a while to drop
any weight and I don't think I eat that much now.
My best weight loss attempt was when I questioned the
amount that I ate, every time I ate and ate half of what I
thought I wanted to and increased my activity level a lot.
Not working out but just doing things every chance I could
and doing everything a harder way like when bending over to
pick something up and bent down as far as I could so it was
like a toe touching exercise. Dropped 25 lbs in 3 weeks.
VF
In Reply to: Exercise Question posted by Joanie on July 25, 2000 at 19:38:42:
Hi, Joanie.
Congrats on your SR. Sounds likely you are reaching the desired level.
Right about now, if the liver packs are going to work, you should be noticing benefits. Have you done the liver detox stuff I suggested? This is not a healing crisis as I understand it.
Exercise does 2 things: it increases matabolism and promotes burning calories, and it converts fat to muscle (which does not show on the scales but does show in measurements).
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Exercise Question posted by Walt Stoll on July 27, 2000 at 10:39:56:
Thanks Doc Stoll. I must have missed the liver detox part of our conversation. (Trying to write feverishly...I wish I had taped it). Would you please let me know what I need to do to detox my liver? Is it somewhere in the archives? Thanks a lot.
Joanie
In Reply to: Re: Doing nicely. posted by Vince F on July 26, 2000 at 13:31:39:
Dropping 25 lbs. in 3 weeks is not good. That's too fast, almost a sure recipe for yo-yo dieting. You need to aim to lose 2 lbs. a week for 12 weeks in a row, not 8 lbs. a week for 3 weeks. Drastically reducing food intake is a sure-fire way to get fat.
A few extra toe touches a day does not count as a lot of extra activity in my book. Just so you know what my point of reference is, a hard workout for me is when my legs are left shaking so badly I can't drive a car. A hard workout for me is when I'm still sore 5 days later. A hard workout is when I curl up in a ball on the floor afterwards, unable to speak or hear. A hard workout is when I feel like throwing up. I'm not saying that level of effort is appropriate for everybody, I'm not even saying it's necessary, but keep in mind it takes a lot to convince me that someone is truly working hard.
In Reply to: Cutting food intake drastically, dropping weight quickly not good. posted by Lincoln on July 27, 2000 at 13:16:23:
Interesting...
I didn't know that cuting food intake would make you fat.
Are you saying that eating More makes you loose weight or
puts on muscle ??
300 toe touches in 20 min while hitting tennis balls by
myself in dress clothes by myself because there was no one
around is more than a few and what types of activities I fit
in when I had a free 20 min. Other times 6 hrs of hard
tennis was the norm.
You sound like you have the problems that i do when doing
anything physical now. Shaking legs, 5 days to recover. I
don't loose hearing or speach and never felt like throwing
up. That sounds EXtreme. I used to stop when pain started
but we all have our beliefs and desires.
Fast weight loss isn't bad when you Stay with the program
My drive was that 30 lbs extra after recovering from an
injury severly limited activities like playing tennis and
hiking and I wasn't going to wait months to loose it so my
mund told me to Think when I ate and Not eat any more than
I Really needed and any spare time I had between jobs I did
something physical. It Worked and I was moving on the tennis
courts with NO limits and chasing my sighthounds around.
We all do what works for us. I would never tell you to
stop your Extremem workouts. You must Think they work for
you.
In Reply to: Re: Cutting food intake drastically, dropping weight quickly not good. posted by Vince F on July 27, 2000 at 15:50:06:
They're not extreme workouts. They are just brief, intense, hard workouts. Hiking Mount Everest is an extreme workout. Triathalons (2 mile swim + 100 mile bike + 26 mile maration) are extreme workouts. People these days are afraid of hard work. I see that in the gym every time I'm there.
Fast weight loss isn't bad? Drastic calorie reduction has been proven, over and over again, to be the best way to get the rebound effect. The metabolic reasons why are well documented - fast weight loss ends up destroying more muscle than fat, which reduces the basal metabolic rate. So, after someone stops their drastic calorie reduction diet, they are left with an even slower metabolism than before. When they resume their previous eating habits, they get fatter at an even faster rate than before the diet. They'd have been better off not to diet at all!
In Reply to: Re: Cutting food intake drastically, dropping weight quickly not good. posted by Lincoln on July 27, 2000 at 17:10:30:
Well, I guess my calorie cuting and toe touching worked fine
for me and what I do because after the weight loss I was
back to my old self and added runing wind sprints till I
felt drained to warm up for playing hard tennis and then
chasing the hounds around to get them their exercise and
then working on projects building and repairing things.
If I was feeling so bad after a workout I would be worried
since that is the position I was in after my chemical injury
though I am down to one day recovery time now and looking to
eliminate that. I don't like limits to doing what I want to
physically and used to push myself till I had no limits
playing tennis and it would take about 3 weeks to get my
wind and legs back after laying off all winter. Is That too
fast ?? I didn't like pushing my lungs too hard and when
they started burning I stoped. It may have been what saved
my life or kept the chemical damage from being worse
because on a pulminary function test days after my lungs
were burned they had to adjust the machine to accomidate me
and said they never saw #'s so good and their best was a
non smoking jogger 1/2 my age. I still do harder things than
anyone I know except maybe for the weight lifters but they
Just pump iron. I accomplish things.
VF
In Reply to: Re: Cutting food intake drastically, dropping weight quickly not good. posted by Vince F on July 28, 2000 at 02:40:04:
I salute you for your stick-to-it attitude and incremental improvement approach to exercise.
"I still do harder things than
anyone I know except maybe for the weight lifters but they
Just pump iron. I accomplish things."
Yeah, great. Try to accomplish carrying a 100 lb. bag of dog food from your car to the house 100 feet away sometime. Then lift it to an overhead shelf. Or do you buy the more expensive 25 lb. bags because you can't handle the 50 and 100 lb'ers? Or try moving up 100 lb. computers, monitors, and cabinets at work by yourself, which otherwise requires 2 normal couch-potato computer systems workers, like I do. Next time you need some heavy awkward furniture moved, don't ask a weight lifter for help - try a tennis player. See how much that accomplishes.
In Reply to: Re: Cutting food intake drastically, dropping weight quickly not good. posted by Lincoln on July 28, 2000 at 12:22:33:
LOL....
The hound food I buy only comes in 50 lb bags and my guys
don't eat that much so one bag lasts a long time.
I used to build corner horn subwoofer speakers that took 2
sheets of HDflake board and never had any trouble carrying a
100lb sheet or moving the cabinets and I never ask for help.
Some tennis players are just stronger than others.
In Reply to: Re: Exercise Question posted by Joanie on July 27, 2000 at 11:33:42:
Hi, Joanie.
NOW it is.
Get a copy of the April issue (2000), of Functional Medicine Update, for the information about liver detox and support. Call (800) 843-9660 or contact healthcomm.com for information as to how to get this.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Cutting food intake drastically, dropping weight quickly not good. posted by Vince F on July 29, 2000 at 01:24:26:
You know I Did ask a tennis player for help. It was when I
needed to get the antique cast iron cook stove out of the
trunk of my car. I didn't want to tear up the car or the
door frame. Also had him help me cut down 20' tall trees in
my 12x14' yard since they needed to be kept from taking down
wires as they fell.
VF
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