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Hi everyone! I am home a day early. I had a great trip and everything went very well.
First, you all know that I have been advocating NCR for some time now. At first, it doesn't seem as though NCR really gets to the root of anything but indeed it does. I will briefly explain the core concepts of NCR and why I think it's so important. I will also detail my recent experience, both good and bad.
First, NCR is safe. NCR creator Dr. Dean Howell has personally treated over 70,000 people without any bad effect. The great thing is, NCR can produce profound effects in the body in as little as a single course of treatment (1 treatment per day for 4 days is one course or "series".
NCR is also not new. The first published account of pressurized balloons used to open the nasal passages was printed in 1947. By the early 50's, this technique was known as Bilateral Nasal Specific (BNS) and was recommended for use with "lymph stasis", "deviation of the septum", "nasal congestion", and "ethmoidal irritation causing asthma" Between 1950 and 1988, BNS was practiced extensively by J.R Stober, DC, ND who taught the technique at the Western States Chiropractic College and at the National College of Naturopathic Medicine. Dr. Howell studied with Dr. Stober from 1980-1984. Over the years, Dr. Howell updated the technique and found ways to make it more individual to each person rather than the same treatment for everyone. At that time, NCR was born.
The core concept of NCR is stability. The sphenoid bone, positioned horizontally running from temple to temple, is the primary point of stability for the entire skull, housing 1/4 of all 67 interlocking skull joints. The sphenoid is THE most important skull bone to manipulate, for patterns of the overall system cannot change unless this bone is alinged in a stable, balanced pattern. Without moving the sphenoid toward a new stable position, no other bone movement can last (this is why chiropractic adjustments, though helpful, do not last. It sounds funny saying this, but your imbalanced spine is more balanced to your skull than your chiropractor's adjustment. The body wants balance, even if it means pulling the body into a more painful position to achieve it)
Now, why not just do cranial work or other hands on methods of adjusting the sphenoid? The reason is simple. It takes about 25pds of pressure to move the sphenoid. This can only be done from inside the head (It's like banging out the dents in a banged-up car from the inside). Although manual cranial therapy is useful, the results are almost always temporary because the sphenoid cannot be effectively moved this way.
It just so happens that the best way to access the sphenoid bone is through the nasal passages. Even though we only have 2 nostrils, we actually have 6 nasal passages. The doctor, before treatment, does specific balance-testing techniques to determine which nasal passage the balloon will be inflated in. This is one of the ways how the treatments have become individualized. The balance-testing shows specific imbalances in your sphenoid bone. This way, the treatments can be customized to you.
It's really amazing how quickly the body responds to a more stable sphenoid. Some of you may wonder how our sphenoids become imbalanced to begin with. There are actually many ways. Birth is one. Birth for the newborn is very traumatic to the skull causing it become "squeezed" as it goes through the birth canal. This in itself can cause locking of the skull plates and sets the stage for all kinds of muscularskeletal problems. Remember, the spine contorts only to balance your head. If your head is imbalanced, NO amount of muscle work, chiropractic, or physical therapy is going to rebalance it and correct the problem. In this way, we can safely say that NCR gets to the ROOT of balance and nervous system problems. See, By expanding the skull, the circulation to the brain is increased and more importantly, neurotransmitter levels are normalized. Most people are not deficient in neurotransmitters. Most people merely have imbalanced lebels caused by uneven flow of cerebralspinal fluid. NCR normalizes the flow of cerebralspinal fluid and can therefore help all kinds of neurological problems including depression, anxiety, phobias and more. NCR also balances the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. After a series of treatments, the person ends up feeling much calmer if they were symptathetic, and much more energetic if they were parasympathetic. This is not the exception. This is typical of NCR treatment. Virtually everyone experiences it at some point.
I believe I have already briefly explained how NCR affects the muscularskeletal system. NCR is like repairing the foundation of a building. It can even straighten out scoliosis, even in single day! I have never seen anything work this well. Again, this happens every day with NCR, not just for the lucky.
Another positive side-effect is achieving symetry of facial features. The face becomes rounder, the features more symmetrical, and sagging skin fits the skull better. It's better than getting a face-lift.
This should intrigue you enough to ask questions or look further. There are plenty of websites on NCR. Just go to www.google.com and look them up. You can read all you desire
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Now for my recent experience with NCR.
When I arrived on day 1, the doctor took a skull x-ray to view the shape of my skull and see any possible imbalances. My skull is very oblong (like a football) so he knew right away that my head was imbalanced. Once he had this information, he proceeded to do balance tests on me by pushing certain parts of my head with me standing as well as sitting. He noted the most imbalanced parts of my body as a results of my sphenoid imbalance. The purpose of noting the body imbalances is so that I can be placed in a specific position designed at unlocking the connective tissue all the way through the body. This is why posture changes effortlessly and so quickly. With the testing done, it was decided that I would recieve a single inflation in the upper chamber on my left side (one can receive up to 3 balloon inflations at one sitting). I layed on my back. He told me to slide my jaw to the left, look down out of the left corners of my eyes, and bring both arms over my head. The body positions seem strange but they have a big purpose. The inflation was to take place on my breath in. He then inserted the balloon in my left nostril which didn't hurt as much as it was just strange. He then put a tiny bit of pressure in my nostril just to get things going. Then, I took a deep breath in and he fully iflated it. Just as I began to realize something was going on, it was done! It felt like it was about to hurt and then it was over. No time to feel anything really. It feels a little like getting water up your nose but this just lasts for a few seconds. What you are left with afterwards, is better breathing. I drained for about 20 minutes or so and I was allowed to blow my nose. The treatment was routine. I came back that following afternoon for another treatment. He did the same balancing techniques and already felt the shifting in my sphenoid. It was determined that the right side would need a sinle inflation in the middle chamber. I layed down in a similar body position, he inserted the balloon and inflated it on a breath in. This one was a little more difficult and actually hurt a little but I can tell you this, it is much easier than getting rolfing which hurts for the entire hour! This is seconds! I really felt the bones in my head move on that one. But, I felt fine afterwards and went back to my hotel. I had a hard time sleeping that night and even had some nightmares, something that never happens to me but I got through it and went on to the next day.
Day 2 was pretty routine. He inflated the left side in the morning and the right side in the afternoon. The right side was more difficult for me but I maintained. The first big change came that night. I was laying in bed talking with my family and friends on the phone. They commented that I sounded really relaxed. I mean REALLY relaxed and that I didn't seem like myself. I noticed this too. I kept sinking deeper and deeper into relaxation and after a while, it started to become very uncomfortable. I felt like I was going in slow motion and that if I fell asleep, I would merely drift off and stop breathing. I started to get very nervous but at the same time, I was so relaxed that I really didn't want to do anything about it. I felt ALMOST as if I was depressed. What it really was, was a MAJOR shift from sympathetic to parasympathetic. My whole life, I have been going 90 miles and hour. Now, I was layed back and care-free. It was certainly not dangerous but it felt very strange. It was an actual personality change. However, I finallly went to sleep and slept pretty well through the night although I had nightmares again. The next day, the doctor confirmed my personality switch and told me this was a very good sign. I still felt a little slow but it was actually a very good feeling. I wasn't anxious the slightest bit. Just peaceful and relaxed. He treated me on the left and then again on the right that day and this balanced me out somewhat. I felt better later on. I finally slept well that night with no nightmares. This is basically the nervous system dumping the garbage it doesn't need anymore. Also, on the 3rd day of treatment, the doctor told me that my pelvis was 50% more in line with body and that I was gaining stability. I usually wake up in the morning with at least SOME stiffness in my neck and back due to my unique body make up but ever since the 3rd treatment, the stiffness is reduced by 85%. So far, it has not come back! The 4th day was a piece of cake. By that point, the inflations were going very easily and there was really know pain or discomfort of any kind. I got on my plane, came home, and here I am! So, to recap, here are the results of my 4-day venture:
1. 50% reduction in stiffness of the neck
2. 85% reduction in stiffness of the mid back
3. 85% reduction in stiffness of the lower back
4. Pelvis 50% more in line with my body
5. 30-40% reduction in sympathetic activity in my brain
6. 20% improvement in TMJ clicking (non-pain type)
Remember, this only my second series. The recommended amount is 4-6, 4-day sessions. THe amazing changes you see in people on the NCR websites are of people that have completed the 6 sessions and sometimes more. The great news is, EVERYONE experiences facial and posture changes if they stick with it.
Overall, my experience has been quite positive. It was difficult at times, but that's the nature of healing. Dr. Howel equates a series of NCR to recieiving the benefits of 5 years of psycotherapy and the best body therapies accomplished only in 4 days.
I am also passionate about another treatment called prolotherapy. People are getting amazing results. For the best results, NCR should be done first, and prolotherapy second. With an imbalanced body, certain ligaments are tight and others are loose. When NCR corrects this problem, prolotherapy can tighten up the loose ligaments. I know because I have done both. The results I have receieved from these therapies are greater than that of any treament or body work that I have come across. I hope this helps those of you that are interested in optimizing your nervous sytem and your entire body. Take Care
-Helping You :-)
In Reply to: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 18:48:36:
Banging out the dents from the inside of a banged up car doesn't work too well. Hence Kleenex-like brand recognition for Bondo, the existence of frame straighteners, and punks driving primer-gray el caminos around.
In Reply to: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 18:48:36:
HY, I feel as if I don't know you anymore! (laugh just kidding). I dunno, your posts are frenetic like the old HY. I don't suppose you can give us a ballpark figure of what this all cost? Congratulations on your improving health.
In Reply to: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 18:48:36:
I am confident that the treatment is effective as I am well aware of the importance of the spenoid bone.
But it is just such a narrow paradigm to treat the body from one bone. It's like the atlo-orthoganists. Their claim is that it's the atlas.
Makes more sense to treat the whole body.
And it doesn't take 25lbs pressure to move the sphenoid. Can be done with one or two, from OUTSIDE the body.
Treat the whole body.
In Reply to: Narrow Paradigm posted by amaryllis on August 26, 2002 at 20:18:24:
Treat the whole body....
My guess is you are new to this board.
Go to the link below, for a sense of the whole context he is speaking from. Context is often missed - inevitably - in these online conversations which focus on specific pointers and people don't always qualify it by saying "well, this is just one factor in the whole"...
In Reply to: Narrow Paradigm posted by amaryllis on August 26, 2002 at 20:18:24:
I hate to be the barer of bad news but you are very much mistaken. Please take a look at ANY anatomy book and see how the sphenoid bone runs across the head. The sphenoid IS the bone responsible for balance for the entire skull. This is not my opinion, this is a fact. The fact of the matter is, when the sphenoid bone is out of place, the entire skull is out of balance. When the skull is imbalanced, the spine "contorts" in order to balance the imbalanced skull. Therefore, correcting the sphenoid bone DOES treat the whole body by removing the imbalances that cause the spine to move out of position to begin with.
The atlas is an important bone and adjusting the atlas is better than adjusting individual bones in the spine but it is the SPHENOID that controls where the atlas sits.
The sphenoid cannot be moved from the outside to any significant degree. Please go to the NCR websites and look at the photo results. Nobody's face has ever become more rounder with typical cranial therapies. Never has never will. NCR is the only therapy that produces these results. The wider face is proof that the sphenoid bone has been moved as expanding the sphenoid bones causes all cranial plates to move outward.
Thanks for your comments but you really need to do your homework. your comments are way off base. Thanks
-HY
In Reply to: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 18:48:36:
Thanks HY. This is very interesting and compelling info. I envy your ability to seek out such work and appreciate your offering a detailed and straight forward account of your experience. I will seriously consider it for myself. Both the NCR and prolotherapy -
Best wishes.
In Reply to: New personality, huh? posted by Name Withheld on August 26, 2002 at 19:13:09:
Hi ?,
I am not sure what you are trying to say. What you SHOULD know about me, is that I am always looking for the most effective ways to achieve, maintain, and improve health. There are many ideas that are discussed on this board and we all know that basic wellness is the key to health. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't other ideas, modalities, therapies, nutrients, ect, that can't be useful as well. Notice that when muscle/bone problems are discussed, Walt will typically recommend rolfing or Alexander technique in ADDITION to the SR and whole foods diet. He does this because he realizes the importance of synergy in health. He also realizes that people sometimes need their symptoms improved to help cope with the causes in the long run. Why suffer in pain during the journey to wellness when there are a variety of ways to speed up the healing process. Take Primal Defense. Many people on this board have benefited from taking it. I knew from personal experience and from the experience of others that this would work for most people in speeding up their recovery from digestive problems. SR helps to change the enviornment of the intestinal tract. However, PD does it faster. SR is the long-term solution to the problem but PD can help speed up the process. Many people here have proved that. Now, I am telling you of something which is a little different. For a moment, put aside the other ideas that have been discussed here. If you have been on this board for any appreciable amount of time, you will know what you need to do to achieve health in the long run. However, there are still MANY people that are suffering with problems despite their sticking to the wellness plan. This happens. Not everybody is going to respond to this. For instance, is someone with Down's Syndrome going to be cured by practicing SR and Diet? No, they won't. They will get major improvement possibly but to say cure is to be irresponsible. However, as crazy as it may sound, people are getting "remissions (whatever you want to call them)" from serious conditions such as Down's Syndrome, MS, and many other neurological problems from NCR. Since it often corrects the foundation of the body as well, people get a major improvement in the way their body's function as a whole. Since it BALANCES the entire nervous system, it would seem likely that NCR would work WITH SR and your diet. It's a WHOLE-BODY treatment even though the focus is in the head. I really don't know what you are getting at. I was counting on a better response to this. But, in the end, it's YOU that has to decide what is best for YOU. I chose to get NCR because of the overall balancing effect it has on the body. If that sounds to "space-age" for you, you will just have to do the research and decide for yourself. I am commited to posting on the best of health-improving therapies. I take great care in researching these techniques and I always do them on myself first before recommending them. These therapies are not meant to replace the wellness tools. They are meant to enhance them and take them to the next level.
-HY
In Reply to: note posted by joe on August 26, 2002 at 19:03:31:
Thanks Joe but that's beside the point. Actually, that's how most autobody places fix dents in your car. The point is, the sphenoid bone can only be moved from the inside of your head. Look at the pictures of people that do NCR. Their heads are rounder and more symetrical. This just doesn't happen with regular cranial therapies.
-HY
In Reply to: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 18:48:36:
I really must say that I am dissapointed with these responses. It's as if not a single one of you actually read my post. Have any of your bothered to go to the NCR sites and read the material? You have you seen the photographs?
You all need to understand that NCR is not meant to replace the wonderful advice that Walt has been giving on this board for years now. The ideas that I offer are only meant to enhance the effects of the wellness tools. I throughly research these ideas before I report them and I always have them done on myself first. I report the best of the best, nothing less.
Well, I suppose these improvements were all a placebo effect If they are, that's a really powerful placebo effect and I for one will continue to take advantage to it.
Lastly, I take quite a lot of time to reply to people needing a little "extra help" or a little something different than what Walt has to say so please know right now that I am not going to continue posting information like this if this is going to be the callaber of response. Feel free to ask questions and even challenge these ideas but please do so with the same respect that I show all of you. Do NOT post like Amaryllis or Joe just did. Joe's response was especially a waste of board space. I simply will not put up with it. I have achieved a very high level of health with the help of Walt and through my many years of research. I do not NEED to post here. I choose to in order to provide people with helpful information or to help guide people in their search for a health cause or solution. I always do so with respect to others. I occasionally challenge someone's view but I always do it with respect and in a way as to not attack. There is no use for attacks or sarcasm in these posts and I refuse to tolerate it! If you don't like my ideas or if you disagree with an idea, just post that you disagree, specify why (if you wish) and include something to back up the claim if you can. That is all you need to do. That is all I have to say about this.
IF ANYBODY WISHES TO POST INTELLIGENT RESPONSES HERE, PLEASE DO SO. NO NEED TO COME IN AND REFUTE WHAT THESE PEOPLE POSTED. THE SUPPORT IS APPRECIATED BUT NOT NEEDED. IT'S A WASTE OF BOARD SPACE. IF POSTING TO ME CONTINUES IN THIS FASSION, I WILL SIMPLY STOP POSTING. I DON'T PLAY GAMES. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME
-HY
In Reply to: Re: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Rebecca-NYC on August 26, 2002 at 22:37:15:
Hi Rebecca,
It can seem a little scary at first but once you see the results coming, your fears are put to rest. I must say that this is one of the most intruiging therapies I have ever come across. I also believe it has the most potential of any of the therapies I have come across thus far. It coincides with the findings of Dr. Weston Price. He found that traditional people that maintained native diets had the most symmetrical skulls and obtained the most health. Those on refined diets had imbalanced skulls and distorted body's with a major increase in disease. NCR may be a way for us to get back that birthright that many of us were denied.
-HY
In Reply to: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 18:48:36:
Hiya HY,
Even though this therapy isnt available where I live and I'm not sure I"d have the guts to do it if it was LOL...I appreciate the time you took to share your experiences. I always enjoy learning new things.
In Reply to: TO ALL THAT RESPONDED posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 22:56:38:
The above post is meant for Joe, Amarylis, and "Name Withheld". These were the first posters to respond and the one's I was refering to. Thanks
-HY
In Reply to: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 18:48:36:
Thanks, HY!
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 18:48:36:
Hi Helping You,
I was eagerly awaiting this post. I checked out NCR before when you suggested it to me, but never went any further with it.
I have contacted a doctor in my area (there are only two), and I went to the website for Dr. Howell. (I wanted to become a member to get a better price and get treatment from him when he is down here in October. But, I work for a state agency and he doesn't allow government workers to join. I was really disappointed and confused. Do you know anything about this?)
Anyway, the doctor has not responded to me yet and I was wondering a couple of things that you might know. If not, I'll wait for the doctor's reply. First, my husband was shot in the face when he was 14 and lost his eye, so he has a glass eye. Plus, there is still shrapnel all in his neck and face. You can't tell by looking at him (you can't even tell he has a glass eye unless you get really, really close), but he lights up like a Christmas tree in X-Rays. Would this hinder the treatment at all?
Second, I have had sinus surgery to remove polyps and something was enlarged so that my sinuses will drain more efficiently. I don't know exactly what the doctor did. I need to be a little more responsible and get my records from him to find out exactly what was done. I was wondering if that would preclude me from treatment in anyway.
In Reply to: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 18:48:36:
Helping You,
Thank you SO much for posting this. I have been eagerly awaiting your return so I could hear about your experiences. I posted last week (has scrolled off the board now) that I've decided to take the plunge! I am fortunate to have Dr. Dean Howell himself in this part of the country and I will only have to drive a couple of hours for my treatments. The fact that he has done over 60,000 treatments gave me a lot of peace of mind!! I don't relish the thought of the actual balloon techniques, since I have chronically plugged ears and seem to have some constrictions in my nasal passages, and I don't look forward to some of the potential intermediate problems like pain, nightmares, problems sleeping that might occur during the first 4 sessions, but I made the same comparison you did about rolfing. At least it won't hurt for a whole hour, and you still get immediate results!! Fortunately, my husband will be able to go with me, and he is good support.
Reading Dr. Howell's website and thinking about my health problems and how they have progressed over the years--some even from childhood--has really made me see that NCR might be the key to my recovery. I have tried many types of bodywork over the years and although they have been beneficial for the most part, they just do not last. Through bodywork, SR, diet changes, body awareness, strength-building, stretching, and exercise, I have made amazing progress with chronic pain, brain fog, difficulty concentrating, feeling of head fullness, plugged & crackly ears, inability to sleep well, etc., but I have a long, long way to go before I can actually say I feel well.
I have about 5 weeks to go before my treatment series, and I wondered if there was anything else I could be doing to prepare for it. If you have any suggestions, I'd be grateful. Did you find emotional releases difficult to deal with during/after your first session? What about detox reactions? I expected some of both from Rolfing, but never experienced anything major, at least in the first 7 sessions. Last week I had three sessions with my massage therapist, and two this week, trying to get ahead of the pain. Minor success there, which was possibly due in part to starting up magnesium supplementation again. I was thinking about getting some cranial-sacral therapy this week or the week after next to help balance me again, but I wonder if that would just be a waste of $$, since that will likely occur during the NCR in early Oct. I have my last 3 rolfing sessions next week--one of which will include work on the head, since the Rolfer spent the whole 7th session just on my rigid shoulders and neck and never got to my head!
Also, do you have any idea why the treatments are so expensive? I read that Dr. Howell offers discounts for groups and families and allows people with low income to receive their treatments during doctor training sessions, but the price of treatments seems rather high. Seems like it will be worth it, but when you add in the cost of travel, lodging, and doing it all over again for repeat sessions, it definitely adds up to a major investment.
Was the doctor that treated you able to recommend a schedule of treatments that would be optimum for you (how many, how frequently), or was it something you just had to wait and see about?
Again, thank you for posting this account, and all else you help with. You are truly a blessing to this board. Please don't let the detractors dissuade you from posting. Their snide remarks are not appreciated, but for every detractor, there are dozens of seekers. Your posts are extremely valuable to those of us actively seeking and trying new, improved pathways and keeping our minds open to new ideas.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Donna E. on August 27, 2002 at 11:48:56:
Hi Donna,
Sorry, but I don't know anything about joining to become a member for discount prices. I didn't even know that was available. Where did you see that?
Hmmm. Your situation seems sensitive and can only be answered by the doctor. I would think that NCR would be of benefit but to what extent, I don't know. It may completely reverse what's happening or it may give just slight relief. Wait to hear from the doctor and let me know hwat he says. I had fantastic results and will be going again within 1-2 months
-HY
In Reply to: Re: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Nutmeg on August 27, 2002 at 14:00:05:
Yes, it seems like NCR would help you. Your story is typical. You've tried many bodywork therapies with only moderate results at best. This is why I searched for NCR. Having found it, and experienced the results first hand, I am confident that this is the therapy that may put an end to the bouncing around from therapy to therapy that many people in your situation typically do.
The best preparation you can do is to faithfully stick to your SR, keep your diet clean to allow for daily detoxification, and if you feel the need, get some emotional work done such as EFT or TFT. I did a session of TFT before getting the NCR. This really helped cut down on emotional after-effects.
I don't know why the treatments are so expensive. This is the one part that makes NO SENSE to me. I imagine that it has to do with the training involved with the technique but certainly, there are no really expensive devices used nor is a lot of time required for your care. I would recommend trying to bring them down in price. Tell them you will come if they can do it for X amount of money. They may be willing. Also, the results can be so phenomenal that in retrospect, it's well worth it. The worse you are, the faster your progress is. It seems that people that need NCR the most get the most benefits.
The doctor said that one 4-day series per month is acceptable or even every other month. It is recommended that the first 2 series be done as close together as possible but thereafter, one can move more slowly if need be.
I hope this helps. I look foward to hearing of your progress. Use NCR in conjunction with the other wellness tools for maximum benefits
-HY
In Reply to: Re: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 27, 2002 at 16:50:19:
Thanks HY,
The doctor called back today and basically said that my husband may not be a candidate, but to come in for a free consultation and he will be better able to determine at that time.
Here is the information on the membership:
http://www.howellcanyonpress.com/
Here is the information on the discounts if you are a member (only for treatment with Dr. Howell, which I wanted):
In Reply to: Re: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Helping You on August 27, 2002 at 16:50:19:
Hi HY,
I just called Dr. Howell's number to try and find out if I would be eligible for membership and treatment with him and the voice on the answering machine sounded exactly like my Brainsync CD. Then I remembered it was Kelly Howell who does the Brainsync CD's. Do you know if they are related? Just curious.
In Reply to: Re: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Donna E. on August 27, 2002 at 18:19:51:
Never mind, that wasn't it. I had a real brain spasm there.
In Reply to: These are not the type of responses I was hoping for. posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 22:37:21:
Hi HY. In the past I've followed your posts and gotten much help from them. I'm not criticizing the NCR treatment as a means to better health. It is the idea of a personality shift that I am interested in. You described yourself as becoming relaxed
They commented that I sounded really relaxed. I mean REALLY relaxed and that I didn't seem like myself. I noticed this too. I kept sinking deeper and deeper into relaxation and after a while, it started to become very uncomfortable. I felt like I was going in slow motion and that if I fell asleep, I would merely drift off and stop breathing. I started to get very nervous but at the same time, I was so relaxed that I really didn't want to do anything about it. I felt ALMOST as if I was depressed. What it really was, was a MAJOR shift from sympathetic to parasympathetic. My whole life, I have been going 90 miles and hour. Now, I was layed back and care-free. It was certainly not dangerous but it felt very strange. It was an actual personality change.
yet your two posts had an excited and hurried quality I have seen before. Wouldn't a personality shift bear up in your writing? Is it possible that the psychological associatives of finally finding effective treatment for neck and back pain are causing you to believe yourself to also be experiencing a personality shift toward passivity without evidence of a permanent change? Please believe me when I say I'm not attacking you or telling you what you are feeling is wrong or impossible. I just wonder how the benefit is caused, if it is psychological, if it is part of a series of neurochemical reactions leading toward homeostatic equilibrium, or a little of both, or if it is a temporary ebb on the way toward homeostasis that might wear off. If no one asked these questions we'd probably still be treating health problems by poking holes in the offending area to let the evil spirits out.
And I seriously am interested in the rough cost. I could find this out from a NCR board, but I'd rather hear it from you since you obviously sought out the best NCR prac you could find, the one some of us would want to see.
In Reply to: TO ALL THAT RESPONDED posted by Helping You on August 26, 2002 at 22:56:38:
Do you guys? Read those posts. I like your hardcore approach to searching for health, HY. We owe it to you to ask these questions because of how you have helped us. Remember, evidence exists that personalities can also shift away from equilibrium under the influence of various things. Did the doc tell you there was a chance you might temporarily become more driven until treatment was completed? What if someone could not complete treatment, would that person become miserable until s/he could? These are things that aren't listed as side effects at http://www.ndnd.com/ncrfold2/quest-6.htm so if I want an answer I have to get my evidence from a patient who just had it done and you're the only one who can tell me. So please don't let me down now.
In Reply to: I don't challenge NCR usefulness, I just don't see a relaxed HY after it posted by NW on August 28, 2002 at 02:24:38:
Hi NW,
First, I am always glad to answer questions about anything that I have done or recommend. However, I do not appreciate sarcasm, and I don't appreciate posts that are directed as attacks. There are ways of asking these questions in a more civilized way. Take your subject line for example. There was no reason to make a statement like that in the subject line. All that does, is give trolls an excuse to come out of the shadows. You could have simply posted "To HY" and if others were interested in clicking on your post, that's fine. Instead, it's as if you are trying to make a public challenge.
Further, my words are not a reflection of how my nervous system is functioning. Normal people, even layed back and relaxed people, get frustrated, angry, sad, and a host of other emotions. Normal people are supposed to have a full range of emotions. I made the comments I made because they were necessary.
Now, having gotten through all of that, I will answer your questions.
NCR does not make you abnormal. It makes you normal. It balances the nervous system by normalizing the flow of cerebrelspinal fluid across the brain. In fact, most people walk around out of equilibrium all day! This is due to that imbalance as well as chronic bracing. Both of these types of imbalances are very common. But what happens, in spite of these problems, is that the body always finds a way to balance the nervous system as best as it can, in spite of these imbalances. The body does this will virtually every function. This is why some people have scoliosis, some people have kyphosis, and some people have lordosis. This is the body trying to find the "next best thing" to your optimal design which most people do not have. So, during an NCR series, the cerebrelspinal fluid begins to flow more normally but to the person receieving the treatment, this seems wrong and imbalanced. The same would hold true if you have severe scoliosis and then I just suddenly took it away. You would feel "off" but the truth is, you are more balanced than ever. So, during these 4 days, there might be a noticable personality shift or other symptoms such as emotional releases or detox reactions. But these are ALL short-term. During the few days after treatment, the body begins to equilize between the new balance and the old balance so you begin to feel more like your old self again. Therefore, if you were to NEVER get treated again, your body would adapt to this new balance and you would not feel "off" or different. You would feel exactly as you should---more balanced. So, there is no reason to be scared about just doing one series if that's all you want. The body ALWAYS finds a balance and you will ALWAYS end up feeling as you should once you stop treatment. However, the more treatments you get, the more your body begins to adapt to the new equilibrium and over time, you become the most balanced person you can. Your sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems are running perfectly even, your spine and head are perfectly balanced, your neurotransmitters are distrubuted evenly accross the brain and not to put it lightly, you are feeling the best you have EVER felt in years. So, I pose the reverse to you. How can we afford NOT to take advantage of this. Most of us are walking around "abnormal" every day to a certain extent (weather it be emotionally, physically or spiritually) and we have become accustomed to living this way. Almost NONE of use have a balanced nervous system. A sympathetic dominant nervous system is the prime symptom of chronic bracing. Walt will tell you the percentage of people bracing. It's high. In my opinion, and the opinion of others that have receieved the treatment and those that have created it, NCR is a way of rebalancing THE ENTIRE BODY CHEMISTRY. Amazing things happen when the nervous system is balanced. Remember, parasympathetic branch controls certain bodily functions and the sympathetic branch controls certain functions. Then one branch dominates the other, certain bodily processes are hindered while others are exausted. So, by balancing the nervous system, the whole body works better. So, the notion that NCR is "a narrow-minded therapy" is ridiculous. NCR is a true "total body therapy". In my opinion, NCR could help chronic bracing just as much as SR. I know that is a big statement but essentially, these therapies are accomplishing the same thing but with different techniques. Any open-minded person will always tell you that there is more than one road to any destination. SR balances the nervoous system but so does NCR. Use them together and I believe that removing bracing from the system will be almost effortless.
Lastly, I challenge you to research NCR as deep as you can. Call the Better Buisness Bureau, search the internet as deep as you can. You will not find anything negative on this treatment. However, do a search for something as seemingly harmless as chiropractic, and you WILL find negative info on it. NCR hasn't even been able to make the list at the quackbuster site. He has it listed as "Therapies we are looking into". NCR has sat on his site for a long time now and it doesn't appear as though it is going to budge. The same goes for Prolotherapy.
I hope this answers your question.
-HY
In Reply to: Re: My Experience With Neurocranial Restructuring posted by Donna E. on August 27, 2002 at 18:14:49:
That was nice of him to give a free consult. Let me know how that goes
-HY
In Reply to: Re: These are not the type of responses I was hoping for. posted by NW on August 28, 2002 at 02:01:24:
The answer to your personality question is posted above in my reply to your first post to me.
Remember, when people function a certain way all of their life, balancing out can sometimes feel abnormal. However, since I have only received 2 treatments, it's possible that the effects were a little short-lived but nevertheless, the balancing of the nervous system has started. It could take between 4-6 treatments before the effects become more perminent. Each treatment is accumilitive, balancing the body a little at a time. At first, the emotional changes can seem rather intense but these are just minor side-effects of the balancing process. For a few days, my body DID go through a major personality shift. Even though I have balanced out and feel more like my old self, I still feel more relaxed with myself and more peaceful. This doesn't meant that I am no longer capable of anger, fear, sadness or other emotions. However, I find that I bounce back quicker from these other emotions.
It is not possible that the excitement from the pain relief contributed to the emotional change because the emotional change was the FIRST thing I noticed. I did not realize I had such a major change in my pain until a day or two after I got home. The doctor said he saw things changing but I didn't really feel much. I WAS waking up less stiff when I was in the hotel but I thought that could have been due to the change of bed. After my first night of sleep back home and waking up stiffness-free, I KNEW what happened.
I hope these 2 posts clear things up for you
-HY
In Reply to: To NW posted by Helping You on August 28, 2002 at 13:44:09:
HY perhaps you should learn to take a joke. I think you are over reacting and you yourself are giving trolls the heads up...NW's message was not an attack at all, and neither were the others (with the exception of the car dude who could have easily been ignored). They asked questions about your post. It really detracts from your message when you pitch a fit over nothing basically.
In Reply to: hy posted by reader on August 28, 2002 at 15:08:55:
I'll make this simple,
NW rubbed me the wrong way, especially with the subject line. Amaryllis called it a "narrow paradim" and also decided that my information on the sphenoid was incorrect without knowing a single thing about NCR, and Joe was just plain stupid. I don't appreciate reponses like these reader. I show respect to others EVEN when I disagree with them. I don't find the hours upon hours worth of research that I do to be "funny" in any way. I'm sorry. It takes a long time to type out all of this information and the least that people can do, is to question the material in a more objective way and not to post sarcasm. I can take a joke just fine but there's a time and place. Make a joke about the balloon up the nose. Listen, this conversation on this topic is over. Please, no more reponses. thanks reader
-HY
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