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My grandbaby, 10 months old, is stopping her breastfeeding by herself. We know Doctors recommend not giving milk until they are at least 1 year old--would it be alright to give them soy milk instead? And what about honey--I know that babies can't tolerate honey until much older, but what about honey is graham crackers, etc? We are trying to stay as natural as possible, but right now our baby's diet is not too good--only oatmeal and bananas, baby veggie crackers and juice. Any ideas? We also started raisins last week for iron. Thanks!
In Reply to: Baby Nutrition posted by Bonny Sanders on March 05, 2003 at 14:09:02:
Soy is bad for babies. I'd stay away from grains in all forms, especially those containing gluten: wheat, oats, rye, barley. I'd put the emphasize on fruits and veggies and stay away from processed juices. Of course, lots of water.
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition posted by Scarlet on March 05, 2003 at 14:23:48:
just wondering why are you saying that soy is bad for babies. There are many soy based formulas that are used esp. for lactose intolerant children. Also, how are grains bad for children as well? With children we need to restrict simple carbohydrates ie junk foods but a baby especially a 10 month old requires the good carbs they are growing! They need that energy for growth. unlike adults who arent growing. There are some children that may have a sensitivity to wheat if one should occur then that food may be omitted. As a parent of a 12 month old I would rather give my child whole wheat grains than refined sugars such as white bread ect. Now with that said to answer the question presented I think that a soy based formula is fine or a regular formula if a child does not have a lactose problem. Use a formula until the first year. I like emfamil lipil it is one of the most expensive but it is worth it. If you cant afford it than choose another formula. To me Lipil is the closest to breastmilk that I could find. Lipil has some added fats that other formulas do not (I breastfed). Then after one year use whole milk NOT LOW FAT. Soy milk is ok but if the child can tolerate the whole milk why not. Please consult your child's doctor if you have any more questions. These are also the recommendations approved by the American Academy of Pediatrics. This to me is sound nutritional advice. As for as the diet do offer friuts and veggies dont forget good sources of protein. My baby loves fresh blueberries and cottage cheese. It is suggested that you wait to give your baby honey before the first year and I am waiting longer. Honey contains botulism spores that could give your baby botulism which could lead to paralysis and death. It is serious. It is ok if cooked like the crackers are ok. Good luck and enjoy your grandbaby!!!!
Dr.Stoll if I have missed the mark please inform me....THANKS.
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition posted by angie on March 05, 2003 at 15:36:39:
Soy has been shown to cause hormonal abnormalities in infants, especially males (although the child is a female in this case). All babies have some degree of a leaking gut, and feeding them gluten-containing grainstoo soon (10 months is too soon!) will most likely lead to allergies to these foods (dittos for cow's milk, tree nuts, and legumes [peanuts]).
Sorry, but this board is more health-minded that the "sound medical advice" you'll find other places! Wait to see what Dr. Stoll says.
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition posted by Angie on March 05, 2003 at 17:31:27:
Sorry. . I posted using your name by accident.
Scarlet
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition posted by angie on March 05, 2003 at 15:36:39:
a baby especially a 10 month old requires the good carbs they are growing! They need that energy for growth.
If breast milk is any indication of what's right for babies, I'd say that babies need a lot of fat, not carbohydrates.
As a parent of a 12 month old I would rather give my child whole wheat grains than refined sugars such as white bread ect.
And who's proposing giving refined sugars here?
In Reply to: Baby Nutrition posted by Bonny Sanders on March 05, 2003 at 14:09:02:
Take a look at recommendations from Weston Price Foundation regarding children's health and some info on soy
In Reply to: Baby Nutrition posted by Bonny Sanders on March 05, 2003 at 14:09:02:
according to what I heard on TV news tonight, most often occurs when babies are given pacifiers too early in their lives. It is recommended that parents wait several weeks after birth before giving them a pacifier in order to avoid this.
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition posted by R. on March 06, 2003 at 00:48:29:
Breastmilk has a balance of carohydrates and fats and protein it is not just composed of fat. The diet is expanded for a 10 month old because a child requries more than just breastmilk to get all of the required nutrients. Futher more refering to your comment No one was proposing refined sugars I was giving my opinion. That is what was requested. Boy, have I opened some contraversy!
In Reply to: Sorry Angie posted by Scarlet on March 05, 2003 at 17:42:14:
I am health minded and I do not accept everything the medical community accepts as law. I do base my opinions on research so refer me to some to back up your claim. I am really intrested and I do have an open mind I am willing to learn so teach me. show me the research.
In Reply to: Re: Sorry Angie posted by angie on March 06, 2003 at 08:42:56:
NOPE. I don't have time to spoon-feed you information. You came here for info, and I've pointed you in the right direction. It's your kid/grandkid, not mine. This stuff is not only in the archives of this site, it's ALL OVER THE INTERNET. Start by doing a Google search for food allergies in children, or type in the keywords intestinal permeability in children, or look up Leaky Gut Syndrome in the archives of this site.
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition posted by angie on March 06, 2003 at 08:36:00:
Sure, milk contains protein, fat, and carbohydrates. But according to http://www.westonaprice.org/children/humanmilk.html, "milk from a healthy mother has about 50 to 60 percent of its energy (kilocalories) as fat". So 50 percent or less is divided by protein and carbs. And the carbs in milk are not the same as those from grains. Grains are hard to digest. That's why traditionally they have been soaked, fermented, and cooked prior to eating.
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition posted by R. on March 06, 2003 at 16:54:11:
Sure, milk contains protein, fat, and carbohydrates. But according to http://www.westonaprice.org/children/humanmilk.html, "milk from a healthy mother has about 50 to 60 percent of its energy (kilocalories) as fat". So 50 percent or less is divided by protein and carbs. And the carbs in milk are not the same as those from grains. Grains are hard to digest. That's why traditionally they have been soaked, fermented, and cooked prior to eating.
In Reply to: Baby Nutrition posted by Bonny Sanders on March 05, 2003 at 14:09:02:
Personnally, I would not give her anything that contain wheat, or any grain of the same kind, before the age of 18 months. That's the target I decided to follow with my daughter which is 14 months now.
The first things we gave to our daughter, at 5 months 1/2, as a complement to breast feeding, was egg yolks and avocados. We was doing very well on these foods. At 6 months we started meat and some other vegetables and fruits. We tried rice cereals also soon, but with bad results, then we stopped. She never react very well on grains and she doesn't like it very much anyway. Many authors are saying to avoid all grains before the age of 1 1/2 years, I personnally fairly trust this advice, though all babies have not the same genes and metabolisms.
We wane our daughter at 1 year old. We give her 2 good meals of meat and vegetables (which she love and eat with strong appetite), and her breakfast and snacks are composed of goat cheeze, goat milk yogourt or organic cow yogourt with fruits. When the fat containt of the yogourt is too low ( <4% ), I add some coconut oil to boost it. For cost saving and to be sure she doesn't lack of any nutriment, we add also some baby formula powder mixed in these meals. Occasionnaly, we gave her also some almond or nut butter and some quinoa and buckwheat (only after she was 1 year old)
I must not forget the cod liver oil very day.
She has never been sick once. Not even a fever, despite the fact that she weighted only 5 1/2 pounds at birth.
At 10 months old, your granddaughter definitely needs meat (but no pork and no fish) and easy to digest vegetables. Until she is 1 year old, why just use a standard baby formula? I would suppose that she definitely still need lactose.
Avoid soy. No honey. No raisin?? No fruit juice.
Good luck
Serge
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In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition -- better formatting posted by R. on March 06, 2003 at 16:55:02:
ok, I am not going to argue about the composition of breastmilk but mature breastmilk composition is 6o% whey and 40% casein lactose is the carbohydrate and fat depends on the mother's nutritional status and that could vary. The fat content varies also during the feeding. The mild is rich in fat at the during the first few mins. of the feeding after approx. 15 mins the amount of fat tapers off. That is one of the reasons why the mother swiches breasts after 15 mins. I did not say that the milk is the same as grains I know the difference between gluten and lactose. I think this issue has been discussed quite enough.
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition posted by Serge C. on March 06, 2003 at 21:23:07:
In Reply to: Re: Sorry Angie posted by Scarlet on March 06, 2003 at 09:55:19:
OK, I answered this post to help a grandmother with her 10 month old. You do not have to be so irrational about this issue. I simply wanted some research to back up your claim I did not ask to be "spoon fed". If you would have presented your argument in an intellegent fashion I just might have agreed with you. In college I wrote papers presenting an argument and I would back up my claim with research. That is how you do it. Yes, thank you I have also done mine now and I can say that I have been enlightened. I now understand what leaky gut syndrome is and the potential problems that wheat can have esp. on babies. I understand what celiac disease is and how wheat barley and oats can damage the intestional muscosa with someone with celiac disease and also the problems associated with the disease. Thank you scarlet for pushing me to find out on my own without spoon feeding me. I am now considering NOT giving my baby wheat....Thanks.
In Reply to: Re: Sorry Angie posted by Scarlet on March 06, 2003 at 09:55:19:
OK, I answered this post to help a grandmother with her 10 month old. You do not have to be so irrational about this issue. I simply wanted some research to back up your claim I did not ask to be "spoon fed". If you would have presented your argument in an intellegent fashion I just might have agreed with you. In college I wrote papers presenting an argument and I would back up my claim with research. That is how you do it. Yes, thank you I have also done mine now and I can say that I have been enlightened. I now understand what leaky gut syndrome is and the potential problems that wheat can have esp. on babies. I understand what celiac disease is and how wheat barley and oats can damage the intestional muscosa with someone with celiac disease and also the problems associated with the disease. Thank you scarlet for pushing me to find out on my own without spoon feeding me. I am now considering NOT giving my baby wheat....Thanks.
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition -- better formatting posted by ANGIE on March 07, 2003 at 00:41:29:
WELL.........you sound kind of snippy to me........lol
In Reply to: Baby Nutrition posted by Bonny Sanders on March 05, 2003 at 14:09:02:
If your baby won't nurse you can still give her breast milk in a bottle, after mom has pumped some for her. If she's not getting enough nutrition past that, goats milk is preferable to soy milk or formula. Cows milk is good for big animals like calves, but not so great for baby people. Goats milk is for tiny animals like little kids, the fat in it is easily digestable. Sounds to me like she might be ready for a little rice cereal or applesauce (the baby food kind). Make sure you get the organic, with the lable that says, "no GMO". Give her extra kisses and some to her new mommy too.
In Reply to: Why no pork or fish? nmi posted by R. on March 07, 2003 at 00:43:15:
Pork has not a good reputation. Many suggest to avoid it completely. Personnally, I eat pork anyway, but I think it is preferable to wait for a baby. Also, in the official nutrition guidelines, pork is always suggested the last for a baby.
Fish is for mercury contamination. The only fish I gave to my daughter was some truit that my father catch in his own lake on his own land. I am pretty sure there is no or very little mercury there.
Serge
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition -- better formatting posted by ANGIE on March 07, 2003 at 00:41:29:
That's quite the contrary,
The milk is rich in water at the beginning to hydrate the baby first and most of the fat comes at the end. That's why everybody says to be sure the breast is completely empty before to switch side. Changing side too early makes babies not satisfied and always hungry.
Serge
In Reply to: Re: Baby Nutrition -- better formatting posted by Serge C. on March 10, 2003 at 20:01:59:
Thanks, Serge C.
Take it from a doc who was raised on a dairy farm and knows.
Another reason for making sure the breast is empty before switching is that when some milk is left in the breast the body thinks the child does not need as much so the breast starts to make less.
In cows we always stripped out the very last vestiges of milk because if we did not that quarter would start to make less for the next time.
Walt
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