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It just came on the news here that the flu vaccine doesn't stop the flu that is going around? They are saying that it isn't the same stran that was in the flu vaccine. Will they have said this before and they always have around 3 types of the flu in one vaccine. So that is why I don't believe that it works. I believe that is why they say this is because none of them works. How soon people forget this and go on taking the flu each year.
In Reply to: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Connie on November 20, 2003 at 17:52:47:
My husband talked me into having one for the first time ever, I had a terrible reaction, my arm swelled up and I felt really sick and noxieus. I am not going to have another one as long as I live. I think that it is a good idea however for diabetics and elderly who can't fight the flu easily and cold/flu can effect blood sugar levels.
In Reply to: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Connie on November 20, 2003 at 17:52:47:
When I was a reporter I did a story, and according to the center for disease ---in the late 90's...they said that the flu vaccine would normally have between 70-80 strains but that they are the ones from LAST year and that there are at least 100+ lurking around, and the new ones are not in the vaccine...
After being on this site, I've learned that a flu shot isn't the smartest thing to do for your body.
Research it; you'll be shocked at what you learn.
In Reply to: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Connie on November 20, 2003 at 17:52:47:
Here's a source to peruse
In Reply to: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Connie on November 20, 2003 at 17:52:47:
My 6-year-old wants to know why he can't get a flu shot like all the other kids in his class who seem to be getting them. Crazy!
In Reply to: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Connie on November 20, 2003 at 17:52:47:
About 6 years ago 4 of us from work all got a free flu shot and we all got the flu from it!
Stan
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Night Owl on November 20, 2003 at 18:35:46:
Hi Night Owl, did you read the article about the flu, the news here is saying that the flu shot that people are taking is not working because it is not the same stran that is going around. So those who take the shots aren't protected from the flu, I have noticed that is what happens every year. The flu is real bad here where I live in TX.
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Stan on November 21, 2003 at 08:30:32:
Thanks, Stan.
In my opinion, it does work but mainly only for increasing the income of the medical/pharmaceutical empire.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Walt Stoll on November 22, 2003 at 07:57:53:
Walt, I have a question about the flu shot....I DID have it because my granddaughter has asthma and I will be with them at Thanksgiving; my daughter's pediatrician insists that the whole family must get vaccinated, so I really couldn't refuse. My question is: if a bruise appears at the site of the injection, does that mean that the vaccine did not go into the muscle? The bruise didn't disappear for a week, but the site wasn't sore at all.I know it meant that the needle struck a blood vessel. The doctor himself gave it but didn't mention that it caused a bruise but did look surprised at something. I apologize if this is a dumb question, but it has been bothering me ever since I had the shot. Thanks very much.
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Marion on November 22, 2003 at 08:50:47:
I have a theory about flu outbreaks. The older people are encouraged to get flu shots in Oct and Nov. Then the holidays come. At Thanksgiving and Christmas, children are exposed to older people and major flu absences in the schools follow- peaking in January.
So it's not just the money made from giving the flu vaccine, but the kids' doctor's appts that follow after the old people are sent out like typhoid Marys. You aren't doing yourself or the kid any good.
To help a kid with asthma, make sure she avoids dairy and don't let anyone smoke around her.Don't let them bully you into dangerous shots.
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Stan on November 21, 2003 at 08:30:32:
They say that older people should get the "protection" of a flu shot. My 60 year old neighbor recently died from unintended consequences of the flu shot. He developed Guillain-Barre shortly after getting the shot. While hospitalized for the symptoms of the Gullain-Barre (paralysis of the limbs), he had a stroke and died. The family has MANY questions.
Being immobilized from the symptoms probably aggravated his underlying stroke prone-ness. (He'd had a stroke several years earlier from which he was nearly recovered.)
Guillain-Barre is one of the known consequences of the flu shot and it's not that uncommon. Symptoms can be bad and while many are said to recover within a year, he never got that chance.
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Jan S. on November 22, 2003 at 14:59:27:
To be a little more cautious I should say that the Guillain Barre syndrome is "associated with" the flu shot. The association is considered significant apparently.
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by maire on November 22, 2003 at 14:32:37:
Well, too late for me because I've already had it (flu vaccine). However, even if I hadn't already had it I would still have it because I might as well be dead if I didn't get it and then my little granddaughter got flu because I would never forgive myself. And don't forget, I'm also a MOTHER-IN-LAW, and that label is bad enough! :-)
Seriously, I really feel that I had no choice. My granddaughter is allergic to her own cold virus, which hopefully she will outgrow. No matter what, I am in no position to counsel them on dietary habits; I'd rather be a martyr and get the damn flu shot! :) I do know what you mean, though, and thanks for your advice.
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Connie on November 21, 2003 at 15:45:36:
Hi Connie,
I didn't read it but I always figuresd that the shot can't cover all strains so it was kind of pointless. I never had one before but I gave in to my husband and the only thing I got from it was a terrible reaction. The reason he wanted me to take it was that a lot of people at his work got the flu and he thought there is a chance that we might get it too but I am sure that some people who had it also had shots and they didn't help them. It was my last one.
Thanks.
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Marion on November 22, 2003 at 08:50:47:
Hi, Marion.
Your doc needs to have the GUTS to explain this to you. This can happen to anyone but the doc is afraid to tell you.
In my opinion, when injections are give in the right place there are not enough sizable blood vessels in that area to do this. I gave injections for 40 years and never had this happen to me. Where it is supposed to be given is BETWEEN the deltoid and the triceps muscle not INTO either of them.
Stand in front of the mirror and straighten your arm. Then rotate your hand internally as far as it can go. The line you see between these muscles is where all IM injections of the upper arm are supposed to go!
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! (Archive in functional anatomy.) posted by Walt Stoll on November 23, 2003 at 06:57:30:
Oh, I'm sure my doctor would never admit he made a mistake -I choose whether to believe his diagnosis or not and always do as you suggest and get copies of all blood work, etc. He insists on giving his own shots and blood drawing no doubt so that he can charge for it. Pathetic? Sure is! But, he's better than the ones I've had before. tsk.tsk.
My question now is: did the vaccine go where it was supposed to; i.e. is it still considered to be an IM injection? Thanks again.
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Marion - to Maire on November 22, 2003 at 16:45:43:
Marion- the flu shot doesn't work. There is even the claim in one of the vaccine info books that the big flu epidemic around WW1 was CAUSED by the flu vaccine.
Vaccines often contain poisons- formaldehyde, which is carcinogenic, and thimerisol, which is a mercury derivative. They also contain animal stuff which doesn't work well with the human immune system. Asthma can actually be CAUSED by vaccines.If you have more grandchildren/great grandchildren, likely to be born, this is important to know- the ones closest genetically to the kid with asthma ,may also experience bad reactions to vaccines. Many of the current auto-immune diseases may be the fault of vaccines.
I can appreciate your not wanting to be a meddling mother-in-law, but one can subtly mention a sentence or two they've recently read in an interesting book( like a vaccine book)- just as part of sharing- not as a long rant against vaccines, just- isn't this interesting?, a couple of quotes, and no editorial comment.
When I married a scientist, I was worried about the possibility that he would be pro-vaccine, since he was trained in conventional science. He was busy with work and had no time for reading, so I would simply share a sentence or two of what I was reading during my first pregnancy( a dozen vaccine books) at the dinner table- no argument, no big deal, just an interesting passage.
After a few months, my husband said, out of the blue, "you know, I don't think we should get the dogs vaccinated anymore "( he loves dogs). He soon genertalized that decision to our unborn child and, finally, to himself.
Anyway, we need to teach you to lie instead of taking another 20 years of flu vaccines. Just say you got it ( and research vaccines enough to know you are doing the right thing for yourself and the kid by not taking it).
The La Leche League book on breast-feeding goes into hassles women have had with their babies' doctors over weight gain and expains what to lie about. Robert Mendelsohn md, wrote many good books, the one I commend to your attention is "how to raise a healthy child in spite of your doctor".
My mom was an RN. I've never understood all this recent stuff about antibiotics becoming ineffective due to mis-use as if it had just been discovered that this could happen. My mom talked about this in the 50's! She was a smart person, but I doubt it was her own theory- she was probably reading about it in her nursing journals back then. When we were growing up, we always had two doctors. My mom would tell the first one we were allergic to pencillin, but let him diagnose us.After diagnosis, if SHE decided we actually needed penicillin, she then took us to the other doctor to get it.
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! (Archive in functional anatomy.) posted by Marion on November 23, 2003 at 10:18:00:
Hi, Marion.
Only in a monopoly! The shot probably went into muscle. The interesting thing is that when these kind of shots are given into the skin the immunological effect is much stronger. Of course the insurance payments are less for intradermal injuctions than for IM injections. Go figure!
Walt
In Reply to: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Connie on November 20, 2003 at 17:52:47:
You are aware of how early in the year the annual flu viruses are predicted and how much mutation occurs to said viruses between the time that the innoculation is developed, the time the flu shot comes out and the time people get the flu correct? In fact this is one of the arguments against the flu shot...Not that it doesn't work but that it works so well that the virus is forced to mutate in order to survive.
Why are you so caught up in what the media has to say? That is the downfall of America. Don't get me wrong, its good to be aware of the issues and the standpoints but we can't place stock in the ability of the garden variety broadcaster or journalist to understand, interpret, and report the news accurately.
In Reply to: Re: Flu vaccine doesn't work! posted by Mutations on November 25, 2003 at 13:09:12:
I see the sick children on the TV and can see that they have the flu and although they took the shots looks like it didn't do any good. Don't have to listen to the mida. They have the kids there prof enough for me. They say a different strain.
In Reply to: For Mutations! posted by Connie on November 25, 2003 at 19:11:02:
this is a good system for a capitalistic medical establishment- they can make money giving the flu shot ( and the pharmaceutical co makes money selling the vaccine) and then they can make money again treating the kids who get the flu, PLUS, they've got them in the waiting room when kids come in for non-flu related stuff, so THOSE kids can get the flu and need treatment too! This is SO good for the America economy.
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