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My visit to the Naturopath

Posted by Miss Bliss on October 30, 2002 at 04:59:07:

I wasnt really all that impressed. After having a very long day, and feeling somewhat fatigued by the time I got to her office from the days events, I was kinda expecting more I guess.

She did the iridology thing. And asked if and how long I had been breastfed. Like I have any idea!. I really cant remember back THAT far. LOL. Will have to check that with my mum and see if she can even remember. Reason she asked was that she said my system was ideal for the growth of candida, and that my digestive system wasnt, as she put it mature. Actually she said it was like a babys digestive system in there.I really dont get that. Even tho I asked, I dont think I got a satisfactory explanation. I have never heard of such a thing. She said it could be hereditary or caused from not being breastfed long enough to allow the internal environment to flourish. I did ask if its like that for most people who arent breastfed. She did say no, but that I was susceptible.

Although she did say I have made definite improvment since seeing her last, which was four years ago. Asked me about my current diet and I told her I do eat healthy, and she said she could tell by my skin.

Something I found interesting. Was she looked at the palm of my hands, and felt along the outside fleshy part downwards from my baby finger , and asked if my father had a drinking problem. Well, he didnt but my grandfather was an alcholic. She said that his bad habits had affected my health and she could tell from my hand. That it had had a serious effect on my insulin levels. My dad is diabetic.I am not sure if this is a load of hogwash or not, but sounded interesting anyway. I guess I came away with the impression that the way we choose to look after our health or choose not to, doesnt just affect us, but also our offsprings as well. Kind of like the sins of the father are visited on the sons.

I also came away with the impression that my health is fragile at best and I really have to work harder than most to attain health.

So now I have some concotions of herbs that she mixed up to help fight the candida, including Ultra Bifidus, A herbal candida tonic formula, citrus seed extract, and also some pottasium magnesium tabs.

I am also anaemic so I will have to get some iron tablets. She said to get one with b12/b9. Well, after coming away with my purse a lot lighter, I really dont know what to think. Comments and suggestions, anyone????




Re: My visit to the Naturopath

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 31, 2002 at 08:29:10:

In Reply to: My visit to the Naturopath posted by Miss Bliss on October 30, 2002 at 04:59:07:

Thanks, Miss.

The most important thing is your learning as much as you can so YOU are the one evaluating the professional who is serving as your consultant. You will never be done with this learning but every year you will get better at your capabilities.

Actually, everything she has said to you makes a certain amount of sense to me. Many of us are born with less genetic strength in some of our organ systems. Actually, that is more common than otherwise. ALL research, including some on-going right now, is showing that the genetic abuse of our ancestors ARE visited upon us.

The first definitive reasearch was published by Dr Pottinger and was also substantiated by Dr Price (thus the Price/Pottinger Institute).

Let us know what you learn.

Walt



Re: My visit to the Naturopath

Posted by Miss Bliss on October 31, 2002 at 21:25:40:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath posted by Walt Stoll on October 31, 2002 at 08:29:10:

ooooooh, Now I am really angry with my grandfather! Now I am the one who has to suffer from HIS bad habits. Rest in peace, granddad, I still love you! I remember when he was staying with us, he was sleeping in my bedroom and I had to sleep in the lounge. Lucky me, hey! Every morning before school, I had to go into my room to get my clothes, and the stench of alchol was so bad in my room that I had to hold my nose when I went in there. LOL. And he also smoked like a chimney too.

I cant remember a time when my granddad was not drunk or without a cigarette. actually it just seemed to be part of his personality. No wonder he always looked sooo happy. It wasnt a natural happiness at all, but an alchol induced state.

Walt, why do you think it is that only certain siblings in the family, will inherit certain genetic weaknesses, whilst others will not in the family?

I cant totally blame Granddad. I am sure there are other factors involved too. But then, maybe if he had known that it would affect his grandchildrens health many years later, maybe he would have thought twice about his alcholism. Well...... maybe. I CAN still dream..... :(

*~* BLISS *~*



Re: My visit to the Naturopath

Posted by R. on November 01, 2002 at 01:54:19:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath posted by Walt Stoll on October 31, 2002 at 08:29:10:

Dr. Stoll,

How would you compare importance of health and lifestyle of a father to that of a mother on health of their offspings?

As far as genetic damage is concerned, are you sure that much of one's lifestyle (except for using alcohol) affects genes? Many ill conditions are passed down phisilogically, with no gene damage, as far as I know. For example, a mother who is in adrenal overdrive will give birth to a child who will begin life in a overstressed state. Or vitamin A deficiency can be passed like that. For sure, other deficiencies too.



Re: My visit to the Naturopath (Archive in human genome.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 01, 2002 at 14:44:21:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath posted by Miss Bliss on October 31, 2002 at 21:25:40:

Hi, Miss.

The human genome has been finally totally mapped (Just within the past few years.) Now the really big job begins: What do these genes DO and how do they work together to produce unique effects? Hundreds of years from now we will still be working out the answers to your question.

The truly miraculous thing is that any of us are born "normal".

Walt

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Re: My visit to the Naturopath

Posted by R. on November 01, 2002 at 21:15:50:

In Reply to: My visit to the Naturopath posted by Miss Bliss on October 30, 2002 at 04:59:07:

Do you regularly eat liver? It is very good for correcting anemia.



My visit to the Naturopath (Archive in human genome.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 02, 2002 at 07:50:18:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath posted by R. on November 01, 2002 at 01:54:19:

Thanks, R.

Of course you are right. Remember the difference between phenome and genome. All we know for sure is that at least some phenomic expressions are passed down to our progeny by damage done to our germ plasm during our lifetime lifestyle choices.

Maybe, someday, we will be able to predict which ones in which individual so we can choose which one to visit on our progeny. Right now, that possibility is tantilizingly on the horizon. Even if one knew that her alcoholism would definitely damage the progeny how many people, with an alcoholic genetic propensity, would choose not to do it?

Walt



Re: My visit to the Naturopath (Archive in human genome.)

Posted by Miss Bliss on November 02, 2002 at 10:24:11:

In Reply to: My visit to the Naturopath (Archive in human genome.) posted by Walt Stoll on November 02, 2002 at 07:50:18:

Hi Walt

I have to say I find this subject most interesting.

Of course, looking after my health is even more important now, for the possible children in my future. NOt only am I doing myself a favour with my health, but their health too. Kind of a double whammy, if you like. Somehow it feels so much more important and vital now. Kind of like cooking for yourself is ok, but cooking for two is more motivating and enjoyable. lol A silly comparison, I know!

I cant say for sure that Granddad would have looked out for his health any better if he had known of the damage that was going to be done to the next generation. actually, I highly doubt it. He hardly cared much for his own children, why on earth would he care any more about his own grandchildren. I understand back then that things were tough, money was short. They were very poor, but how much does it cost to care about your own children. you can still have a heart even without money.

'So I can take stock, and learn from his mistakes, and be less selfish in my own choices. So I dont drink, I dont smoke, I eat healthy, I try and get enough rest (not always successful here), try and meditate, (need to be more consistent) so there are definitely areas in my life I have to work on. Thats ok, I CAN do it! And somehow I want to do it even more now, after reading what you have written.

I know that when I have my own children, I will breastfeed as long as needed for the babys optimum health. I will eat right. I wont drink. I wont smoke during pregnancy, like I see so many young women doing. ONe women commmented that smoking would help her have an easier labour, as the child would be smaller. I really dont understand this logic. NOt looking out for the child at all, only for self. I guess, I want to give any children that I may have, the best possible future, and if that means some sacrifices on my part, so be it.

~* BLISS *~



Re: My visit to the Naturopath (Archive in pregnancy.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 03, 2002 at 07:12:40:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath (Archive in human genome.) posted by Miss Bliss on November 02, 2002 at 10:24:11:

Thanks, Miss.

You will have "lucky" children. Just remember that the quality of a conceived child begins at least 2 years prior to conception and that depends upon BOTH the mother and the father knowing what is in Dr Paavo Airola's classic "Every Woman's Book" and actually practicing the wisdom printed there (Available via the link to amazon.com on this 'site--OR at your lending library.)

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: My visit to the Naturopath

Posted by Miss Bliss on November 04, 2002 at 06:13:56:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath posted by R. on November 01, 2002 at 21:15:50:

Hi R.

I have gone right off red meat altogether. Cant stomach it. Not sure why. So the only one eating liver is my dog. He loves it!

I have been getting spontaneous bruising on my body, which I directly attribute to iron deficiency/anemia. Plus, around my period, I am extremely fatigued, so I need to find a good iron supplement at this point.


~* BLISS *~



Re: My visit to the Naturopath - Genetics

Posted by
thessa on November 04, 2002 at 08:17:48:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath posted by R. on November 01, 2002 at 01:54:19:

In the book Clinical Nutrition: A Functional Approach (Bland et al), they state that one inherits mitochondrial dna and therefore function (the ability to efficiently change food molecules into energy), from the mother of the species (Energy chapter). This is important because mitochondrial dna damage has been implicated in everything from migraine headaches, to parkinson's disease, kidney disease, to fibromyalgia etc.

Fascinating stuff.

It reminds me of a friend I ride to work with who is the happy third generation recipient of migraines.



Re: My visit to the Naturopath - Genetics

Posted by R. on November 04, 2002 at 17:33:54:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath - Genetics posted by thessa on November 04, 2002 at 08:17:48:

Is anything inherited (in this context) from a dad?

I would also like to know if this damage can be developed and corrected in the same generation (before giving birth to a child).



Re: My visit to the Naturopath

Posted by R. on November 04, 2002 at 20:58:04:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath posted by Miss Bliss on November 04, 2002 at 06:13:56:

Well, at least one of you will not have anemia. LOL

I've heard of some type of sesame seeds (I think) that have a lot of iron (don't even know if it's easily utilizable). You might want to look into it. Also, if I am not mistaken, spinach or celery or something else (I know it'd getting less and less helpful :) ) is rich in iron, so juicing it might be better than taking an iron supplement (or is it food source supplement?). A food source would probably be better.



Re: My visit to the Naturopath

Posted by Miss Bliss on November 05, 2002 at 00:54:57:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath posted by R. on November 04, 2002 at 20:58:04:

Hi R.


Thanks for the suggestions. I do occasionally juice and when I do, I add spinach leaves to it. Thing is with raw spinach, it contains oxalic acid. I also occasionally juice celery, but I still feel general lethargy. Although it could be a combination of factors in my life. From my shift work, to candida, to lack of proper nutrition, my digestive system not functioning optimally, stress, lack of proper rest; Take your pick!

I have started my SR again to try and help me with my stress levels and health in general. Plus cutting out all sugars and reducing carbs has definitely helped.



Re: My visit to the Naturopath -- try Chlorella

Posted by vk on November 05, 2002 at 10:04:56:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath posted by Miss Bliss on November 05, 2002 at 00:54:57:

I used to have serious problems with anemia. Taking an iron supplement helped, but only temporarily. My problem finally disappeared when I started taking large amounts (not exceeding the recommendations, but on the upper end) of chlorella. Earthrise is good, so is Sun Chlorella. The difference it made in the level of fatigue and in eliminating the bruising was astounding. Highly, highly recommended.



Re: My visit to the Naturopath - Genetics

Posted by
thessa on November 05, 2002 at 14:54:53:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath - Genetics posted by R. on November 04, 2002 at 17:33:54:

Is anything inherited (in this context) from a dad

They don't mention anything specific about the father in this context, but if I come across something I'll let you know.

I would also like to know if this damage can be developed and corrected in the same generation (before giving birth to a child).

Yes, they give their protocol (mostly anti-oxidants) for changing the damaged dna back thereby rejuvenating existing mitochondria as well as creating new.
Just to clarify further, this is mitochondrial dna which instructs genes to code for the proteins producing ATP, not nuclear dna.




Iron and bruising

Posted by R. on November 05, 2002 at 22:09:43:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath -- try Chlorella posted by vk on November 05, 2002 at 10:04:56:

Could either you or Miss Bliss or anyone else tell me about the link between bruising and iron? And how do you test it?



Re: My visit to the Naturopath - Genetics

Posted by R. on November 05, 2002 at 22:13:29:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath - Genetics posted by thessa on November 05, 2002 at 14:54:53:

I've hear a radio interview with some researcher who said that Cat's Claw can correct and prevent DNA damage. But he said that these qualities are released in a special extract that require long simmering -- just as natives who use it do.



Re: My visit to the Naturopath - Genetics

Posted by
thessa on November 06, 2002 at 04:28:49:

In Reply to: Re: My visit to the Naturopath - Genetics posted by R. on November 05, 2002 at 22:13:29:

That's interesting. I'm not that familiar yet with cat's claw. I'm sure I'll enjoy looking into it. thanks.

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Re: Iron and bruising (No relationship known.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 06, 2002 at 07:10:19:

In Reply to: Iron and bruising posted by R. on November 05, 2002 at 22:09:43:

R.

To MY knowledge, there is no relationship between bruising and iron. See the bumps, bruises archives for the most common way to stop bruising (bioflavinoids). Of course a platelet deficiency can also cause it but that is another whole story.

Walt



Re: Iron and bruising (No relationship known.)

Posted by Miss Bliss on November 06, 2002 at 20:33:27:

In Reply to: Re: Iron and bruising (No relationship known.) posted by Walt Stoll on November 06, 2002 at 07:10:19:

Walt

I do occasionally take bioflavanoids, but this bruising problem i have had for a long time. When the doctors first picked it up, they said my blood wasnt clotting properly, and it was a vit K deficiency. So I use to get the shots when I lived out in San francisco. I never had them done in all the time I have been in Australia, over 10 years, so I may have to go back and get another round done.

Do you think bruising could also be from lack of red meat in your diet, Walt? When it first showed up when I was about 21, I had been a vegetarian a few years by then.

*~ BLISS ~*



Re: Iron and bruising (No relationship known.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 07, 2002 at 10:06:03:

In Reply to: Re: Iron and bruising (No relationship known.) posted by Miss Bliss on November 06, 2002 at 20:33:27:

No, Miss. I do not think this is an absence of red meat.

Have you ever tried taking the 3 grams (daily) of bioflavinoids for 3 months as suggested in the protocol in the archives?

Walt

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