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Low Mg and fat intolerance??

Posted by Marj on October 04, 2001 at 10:14:39:

I have had low tissue levels of Mg. I suspect that I've had this problem for several years. I also have other imbalances - including low potassium and sodium. My doc. is giving me Meyer's cocktails IV with extra Mg. I'm getting a total of 5 cc of Mg (sulfate?) per IV.

In addition, I do NOT digest fats/oil/even nuts and seeds at all. When I eat fats/oils/nuts, I get diarrhea, light colored stools, achiness, HOT flushes and excessive sweating, and other symptoms including deep yellow colored urine. Of course, I presume that I have a very weak or congested liver.

My question - WHAT is the cause, and WHAT is the effect??? Will the Meyers help to strengthen my liver??? Or, is my low Mg a result of the weak liver, and so, I'll never balance the Mg and other minerals until my liver is stronger??

I've been eating a whole foods diet since 1997. I don't eat any fruit, as I don't tolerate carbohydrates very well. So, typically, I eat protein and lots and lots of low carb. veggies. I've taken supplements (vitamins, minerals, and herbs), but I often wonder whether these are overburdening my liver. I've been working on SR since 1999 or so - I've become pretty good at "releasing" but now find that I am so much less interested in (and detached from) work in general.

Recently, I started to take 1000 mg of choline per day. This has helped to darken my stool color, but it has NOT improved my fat intolerance problem. I've tried (juice/broth) fasting (3-day), but have had to quit because my sleep gets progressively worse - eventually going to ZERO. I also get brownish colored urine when I fast.

I don't know what direction to go anymore - can I expect that the IV Mg will help me?? Is everything merely overburdening my liver, and so I should quit all supplements and go for a mono-diet (presumably less drastic than juice fasting)?? Understandibly, the solution will not be quick, so I can never tell which pathway to take. I seem to get few to NO mile-markers that indicate whether I am going in the right or wrong direction. By the way, I've had what you refer to as "liver death tests" done in the past and they've been ok. I haven't had one done within the last year or so, though.

How do I determine whether my liver WANTS support or WANTS a vacation???

Thanks for your wisdom.

Re: Low Mg and fat intolerance?? It's your gallbladder

Posted by on October 04, 2001 at 11:53:08:

In Reply to: Low Mg and fat intolerance?? posted by Marj on October 04, 2001 at 10:14:39:

Hi, Marj

My immediate thought is that you have gallbladder issues you need to check into. The fat digestion problem and the darker urine are dead giveaways indicating gallbladder problems of some sort. I've been reading up on it in "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" by Balch and Balch. There is a ton of information on gallbladder on this 'site and I suggest you check it out. I also suggest looking for digestive enzymes which contain ox bile but do not contain hcl. Eat apples when you crave a snack, instead of something fatty. I'm not saying it isn't your liver (you know, the liver and gallbladder are best buddies), but do check into information on the gallbladder. Hope this helps.
- June

Re: Low Mg and fat intolerance??

Posted by Helping You on October 04, 2001 at 11:55:16:

In Reply to: Low Mg and fat intolerance?? posted by Marj on October 04, 2001 at 10:14:39:

Dr. Stoll will undoubtedly have lots more to offer here than I can but I would like to touch upon just a few things on your behalf.

First off, MANY people have low intracellular magnesium. Nutritional deficiencies are reaching epidemic proportions. I don't believe the low magnesium in and of itself is causing liver problems for you, though I do believe your digestion problem is related to your liver/gallbladder. You would probably experience symptoms such as rapid heart beat and exaustion before you had liver symptoms. Also, You could have stones. The liver/gallbladder flush is the only way I know of to eliminate stones. Stones are easily diagnosed through an ultrasound.

Dr. stoll knows the best form of magnesium to take for handling this type of deficiency. I am pretty sure that the orotate or glycerate is what is best.

To support your fat digestion (because you NEED to eat SOME fats in your diet), I would take A plant enzyme formula and Pancreatic enzyme formula high in lipase (at lest 16,000USP per capsule). Take the plant enzyme formula at the begining of the meal, and the pancreatic enzyme at the end of the meal. Do not take enteric-coated pancreatic enzymes. A good one is Anzeo Pangen Extra Strength by Metagenics. Finally, a gelcap of Lecithin with each meal containing fat will help emulsify it for you and take some of the burden off your liver/gallbladder.

Finally, the best therapy for liver/gallbladder problems bar none, is GLUTATHIONE. If your doctor can give you glutathione infusions, this will help clean your liver right up. If not, try to find a doctor that does this. Glutathione is your principal antioxidant and is most responsible for detoxifying your liver.

These are among the very best suggestions I can give you. Oh, I forgot one. Taking Milk Thistle and alpha lipoic acid will help your liver also.

In regards to your diet, I believe you did the right thing with the higher protein/lower carb diet. Since EFA's are essential, you need to get them any way you can. The easiest digestible EFA's come from Cold-water Fish, DHA-enhanced organic eggs, Emulsified Cod Liver Oil. Try soaking your nuts overnight in salted-filtered water. This will help to nuetralize enzyme inhibitors and will also make the fats more easily digestible. Nuts are even more digestible when eaten with raw-cultured vegetables. For more on optimal Diets, see and

I hope this helps you

3 flushes done already - NO help!

Posted by Marj on October 04, 2001 at 19:41:19:

In Reply to: Re: Low Mg and fat intolerance?? It's your gallbladder posted by on October 04, 2001 at 11:53:08:

Thanks for your thoughts. However, I've already done THREE gall bladder flushes. I've seen NO benefits from these. I got NOTHING from the first flush, about 30 "stones" from the second, and a few stones from the 3rd.

I'm afraid to do more flushes, because I don't have dark stool color. This seems to indicate to me that I'm not producing enough bile. And, from my reading, this may suggest that bile is backing up in the ducts - which is damaging to the liver. The symptoms that I get following eating fats/oils/nuts seem to confirm this - achiness, terribly sleepy, excessive sweating/HOT flushes - symptoms of liver overload. Also, I believe that I don't tolerate meds. well OR carbs. including fruit - I get excessive sweating/HOT from both of these. Again, this seems to indicate liver involvement more than gall bladder - IMHO.

Since Mg controls smooth muscle contractions (relaxation), I was wondering whether this could have an impact on opening bile ducts. Also, Mg is involved in so many enzymes - I didn't know if this had implications for fat metabolism in the liver - either through choline synthesis, glutathione synthesis, etc.

Tried many of these things - no success

Posted by Marj on October 04, 2001 at 19:50:18:

In Reply to: Re: Low Mg and fat intolerance?? posted by Helping You on October 04, 2001 at 11:55:16:


I've tried enzymes - absolutely NO help. I took as many as 8-10 caps. at a given meal - NO help.

I did 3 gall bladder flushes so far. As I mentioned to the other poster, NONE have alleviated my symptoms.

I seem to tolerate moderate amounts of fat - in salmon, for example. But fish oil caps. and cod liver oil are KILLERS. Nuts are total killers; I may never be able to eat them again. Soaking will NOT help me to better digest their fats - especially since I don't seem to be producing enough bile.

I've tried NAC to boost my gluthathione levels - but this didn't seem to improve anything. Currently, I'm trying choline/inositol (1000 mg/day of each), TMG (5000 mg/day), methionine (1000 mg/day), taurine (1500 mg/day), milk thistle, and lipoic acid (200 mg/day). I tried high doses of choline and milk thistle about 1.5 months ago for about 1 month and eventually they seemed to give me darker colored stools. However, this didn't seem to improve my tolerance for fats/oils/nuts.

I would try another gall bladder flush, if Dr. Stoll thinks that I won't do further harm to my liver in the process.

Re: Tried many of these things - no success

Posted by Vince F on October 04, 2001 at 23:59:01:

In Reply to: Tried many of these things - no success posted by Marj on October 04, 2001 at 19:50:18:

I think I Used to have a problem with fat in pork and
pork had to be cooked at a High temp not to bother me. Not
sure if I have that problem now but then it only happened
when eating things that my mother or sister cooked by
boiling that they Didn't think had pork in them like ground
meat that Claimed it didn't have pork in it But I could tell
and later heard that stores were adding it and Not saying.
My mother claimed i had gall bladder problems but No other
fat bothered me and I eat butter straight. Funny, she
had hers removed when it Wasn't her problems and didn't
solve it but I guess she had a thing about them.

I think we should do what we need to not to have problems.
Fresh fruit can bother me but not when baked. Could be I
don't digest it well or Maybe there is something that gets
in it that doesn't agree. I have problems when eating out
but question the storage or preperation of the food and
when butter in packs isn't kept cold and will Run in the
package I Won't eat it. I have a friend with severe
digestive problems and they leave the butter on the table
All the time so it is soft. That is the First thing I would


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Try Beta-TCP from Biotics Research to thin bile

Posted by R. on October 05, 2001 at 00:04:33:

In Reply to: 3 flushes done already - NO help! posted by Marj on October 04, 2001 at 19:41:19:

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Drinking enough water?

Posted by R. on October 05, 2001 at 00:14:22:

In Reply to: Low Mg and fat intolerance?? posted by Marj on October 04, 2001 at 10:14:39:

You mentioned dark urine, and I remembered Dr. Batmanghelidj. Dark urine is an indicator (not always I guess) of insufficient water intake. If you are not familiar with Dr. Batmanghelidj's work, you can learn about it by purusing, and listening to two interviews with him at (search for Batmanghelidj on that page). His theory (supported by practice) is that root cause of all chronic diseases is chronic dehydration. Listen to the interviews and read his book YOUR BODY'S MANY CRIES for WATER before you make up your mind about this.

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Re: Tried many of these things - no success

Posted by Helping you on October 05, 2001 at 00:48:47:

In Reply to: Tried many of these things - no success posted by Marj on October 04, 2001 at 19:50:18:

What enzyme formula did you take? How much Lipase was in it? How long did you give the enzmes to work?

How much NAC did you take?

If choline, milk thistle, lipase enzymes didn't improve your fat intolerance, then it is unlikely that fat DIGESTION has anything to do with this. I have never seen a "fat-intolerant" person not benefit from at least one of the above. Did you try lecithin?

If you are not producing enough bile, try a pancreatic enzyme formula with ox bile in it. ox bile increases bile output. So does artichoke.

Taking NAC does not produce even 10% of what Glutathione infusions can do for you. NAC is taken in ADDITION to the glutathione.

Maybe you are dealing with more of a food allergy problem than fat intolerance per se. I still think you would handle nuts better if they were soaked or sprouted but you assured me this wouldn't work. I am assuming you have tried this with no success.

Consider a liver detoxification profile and CDSA. This will confirm the liver/gallbladder problems if they do exist.

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Re: Low Mg and fat intolerance?? (Archive in human genome.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 05, 2001 at 10:21:32:

In Reply to: Low Mg and fat intolerance?? posted by Marj on October 04, 2001 at 10:14:39:

Hi, Marj.

Since your genetics must have a lot to do with your condition, you are going to have to see a professional who has kept up with the rapidly changing medical understanding of this effect.

Contact and ask them for a listing of all their subscribers who have subscribed to their service for at least 2 years--up to the present. Call the closest one for a consultation. When you go, be sure to have IN YOUR HAND all of your medical records and a life history like described in the Health Coaching Protocol.

Let us know what you learn.

In the meantime, caster oil packs to the liver area (see liver archives) would be a good idea to maximize your liver detox function (cheap and safe).


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