What do you mean,"Chronic problems like this will never be resolved by something you TAKE but by something you DO."
Lifestyle, etc.?
Thanks.
Jan
Dear H.C.,
I have not heard of this being related to taking glucosamine. Call (800) 692-9400 & speak the technical support biochemist there about this question. THEN, share what you learn with the rest of us.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Jan Hopkins on January 01, 1998 at 23:52:21:
Dear Jan,
Thanks for the question! If you had it so must many others.
Life style is many times involved. However, human beings are SO different that something that is going to work 100% has to be individualized. That is one of the reasons I push so hard for people to FIRST become experts in their own condition. That way, they are more competent than anyone else to choose what is the best thing for them to do.
This is the reason I wrote my book the way I did: First to help readers figure out where THEY fit & then give them the resources to learn more about THEIR specific situation.
For example: with arthritis, even though most arthritics have total body bracing and the resultant LGS that aggravated the immunological part of this problem, there are a significant number who have an intracellular magnesium deficiency aggravated by a relative deficiency of the cofactor pyridoxine and essential oils. Even though, indirectly, life style may have had a contributory efect in causing the latter, the tem porary solution would actually BE something you take.
Acupuncture might give prolonged relief of arthritis. In that case going to the acupuncturist would be sonething you DO & not something you TAKE. However, any acupuncturist worth his/her salt would also try their best to discover what lifestyle things you could do to make your results more permanent.
I could go on for several books worth to try to adequately cover your excellent question. However, since all of those resources are listed in MY book, I will not try to do that here.
I hope I at least addressed some of your question. The REAL answer is self education--the hardest thing to get people to do.
Walt
Dear John,
One of the reasons I wrote my book was to help people understand what this is & how it is related (link below). You might also read the 2 page Newsweek article in the November 17th issue for some "official" recognition.
Also, going to the homepage of this 'site (link on this page) & reading about LGS, Modern Medical Interpretation of Stress & related topics would help.
There is now no doubt that at least 75% of ALL arthritis is related to this immunological mechanism.
Walt
I'm trying to find out some clinical information about Cosamin DS.
My mother has arthritic knees and was taking it, but recently spent Christmas day and a few subsequent days in the hospital for emergency surgery to remove blood clots due to an irregular heartbeat. Anyway ... her cardiologist says that he discovered that she also has a bad kidney and doesn't want her taking anything that is discharged through the kidneys.
So, my question is ... where can I find some clinical information of this nature about Cosamin DS? Please E me with any information you can offer. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
Thanx
Jim
I'm using my wife's account, so please reply to address above.
I did do the search for the side effects and found nothing from your data base. I am assunming I did it wrong... So can you reply with the link attached to show me the location of the information on the side effects of glucosamine sulfate.
Also, I have had a medial minesectomy, ACL reconstruct, with a lateral release, using an LAD and pataller tendon weave and graft, and 6 scopes for debridement and removal of surgical staples, & bone chips. I have very lack legiments to say the least. Basically my knee is toast in 15 years.
Now here is the question. There is a new surgical technique whereby they take miniscus from your good knee and treat it using "Carticel". They then grow the cells in the lab and then place your own cells into your bad knee. (Very expensive, but 70% effecacy rate)
Technique is from Sweeden, Finland or Norway, but is now being used in the US. If this technique is used in conjunction with Glucosamine Sulf ate, will there be any appreciable benefit? Or should I just try the pills first to see if there are really long term benefits of Carticel?
Rather long winded, but you seem to want details before you give a detailed response.
Thank you.
Have any of you people personally tried g.s.? I am looking for a personal opinion. also, do any of you know about colodial minerals?
Thank you,
G.
In Reply to: Glusosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by D.Kelly on January 03, 1998 at 21:33:57:
Dear D.,
I was trying to not have to type out stuff again:
I. I have no experience, professionally or personally with glucosamine. That is why I always recommend anyone wanting this information to call the biochemist at the technical support number of Metagenics (800) 692-9400 & get the informatin from the "horse's mouth".
2. At best, surgical procedures AND glucosamine have temporary results. Ask those "70%" people about their results 5 years later.
The only thing I have seen produce permanent results is for the individual to become an expert in their condition so that they will change whatever caused the problem in the first place.
This is the reason I wrote my book the way I did. It is designed to help the individual see where THEIR causes are and THEN, in the back of the book, give them the resources needed to learn what they need to learn. At the very least, they will be a much more effective consumer & make better choices about what is best for THEM.
Walt
My wife also has fibromyalgia if you find out any information on glucosamine helping it I would love to hear from you. Thanks
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by G.Blocker on January 03, 1998 at 22:03:59:
I don't know about Glucoseamine sulfate but as for coloidals I have know over ten people who take them daily including myself, wife, mother ect. and each one has at least one tangable difference it has made in their life, and there all different. It is well worth the money! and seems to work better than any pill form minerals I have ever taken.
Ann,
I can'resist. Just yesterday Dr. Stoll answered this question in detail. All you have to do to find basic information on this board is scroll down and click on topics. That way you'll develop a background in what you want to know. The home page also provides a great deal of information.
Here is his answer from yesterday.
"I. I have no experience, professionally or personally with glucosamine. That is why I always recommend anyone wanting this information to call the biochemist at the technical support number of Metagenics (800) 692-9400 & get the informatin from the "horse's mouth"."
Jim
PS There has been a great debate raging concerning which form of glucosamine is best and the use of chondroitin with glucosamine. You might scroll down and pick it up.
Does anyone know of double blind studies using oral condroitin alone for Arthritis problems?
I read with some interest your posting on 12/23/97.
Having been recomended to undergo surgery for lower back pain I am pursuing alternate methods of a cure.Would you please advis e me if you have experienced any positive effects of taking this medication?
I have an alergy to sulfa drugs and need to know if the sulfate in this medicine is a sulfa drug.
I was advised to take 1000mg daily for arthritis in my neck.
Please advise.
Thank you
Dear Ann,
I have not heard of this side effect before but that does not mean that it does not happen. I would suggest you call the technical support number of Metagenics (on of the best companies out there) & talk to the biochemist there. Tell him of your experience & ask if others have had the same.
Please share what you learn with the rest of us.
Please do not think that these temporary benefits are the end of your problems. You both need to use this time of improvement to learn how to deal with the causes.
Their number is (800) 692-9400.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Robert Ross on January 05, 1998 at 12:18:43:
Dear Robert,
The research I have seen does not support the use of chondroitin (orally) at all. I no longer recommend it even in conjunction with glucosamine. I reserve the right to change my mind as new data comes it.
Walt
Have had OA for several years, avoided NSAIDS at all costs, controlled the pain via herbs. Two weeks ago I learned of the glucosamine/chandroitan connection (plus antioxidants) via L. Bucci's book "Pain Free" (haven't read Dr. Stoll's book yet - but I most certainly will!). 1/2 way through the book, I loaded up on glucosamine/chandroitan sulfates (I'm having problems finding hydrochloride version), and the suggested antioxidants, and further modified my diet (I'm already a firm believer in the posit that it's not what you take so much as it is what you do). A week later I'm still reading the book but I'm in awe of what these changes have already done for me - I can actually button my own shirt, I haven't been able to do that for YEARS! Plus, I'm now able to do some exercise which I couldn't do because of the pain.
I have no intentions of being locked to these additives for years, I DO have every intention of very carefully watching my diet and exercise (mainly non-invasive stuff like Qi Gong & Tai Chi)
so that it (OA) doesn't come back!
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 09:38:09:
If you call that 800-number, the nutritionist at Metagenics will tell you that there are zero side effects to taking Metagenics glucosamine sulfate (unless you are allergic to shellfish, in which case there is a chance of anaphylactic shock).
However, it would still probably be a good idea to call the manufacturer of your glucosamine to report the side effects and see if anyone else has reported them.
Bill
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Tom LaMere on January 06, 1998 at 11:43:16:
Dear Tom,
Thanks for the testimonial. Sounds like you are on the "Path".
Namaste` Walt
I have been given a treatment of glucosamine sulfate, proanthocyanidin, geletin and liquid minerals called colloida multiple miner for my arthritus in my finger joints. I now also take progesteron and premerin, vitamins C,E, cod liver oil, calcium zinc and a multi-vitamin. Are there any side effects to all of this? Please reply to my e-mail address Patti
I am wondering if this product would be of help to people who have fibromyalgia? We have joint, muscle & bone pain, plus fatique big time.
Hi,
I have a question on Glucosamine and Chondroitin. I am 16 and I am a cyclist. I kind of have this problem of my joints cracking and making noise (knees, neck, back, toes, ankles, ect.). When I extend my right knee it cracks, sometimes it hurts. I even went to the doctor just to make sure. Somebody told me that it is inflammed. So I took 4 200mg of Ibuprofen 3 times a day. Once I saw my doc. he said I didn't need to take those. And when I breeth in deep, my upper back cracks a few times. Is this ok? So I am wondering if this combo of G and C will help. I hear you are supposed to take it with vitamin C and (its either magnesium or mangenese, if forgot). And Twin Labs has a product has these, called Joint Fuel. Is it ok if I take this, or is it unnessisary. Could I take smaller doses? Could you tell me what you think?
Thank you
Walt, where did you get your info on Chondroitin not being effective taken oraly? Much interest! Roxanne
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine and Chondroitin posted by Walt Stoll on January 11, 1998 at 11:35:10:
Are these "drugs" the most effective treatment for fibro. My physician suggested managing this condition with motrin and treating the underlying causes, such as stress and depression. I have been taking prozac for three years, but the pain continues to get worse. In addition, it shifts from one site to another. I'm looking for anything else to suggest to my doctor in addition to the home remedies that ease the discomfort (i.e. herbs, compress, hot showers, exercise..)
Any additional information that you can suggest would be appreciated. I haven't had a clue where to start.
Thank You,
Paula
Took glucosamine and chondroitin for approx 4 months but developed dermatitis. Discontinued and it went away.
Are there mainstream medicine comments on this drug for arthritis?
Yes the same happened to me. After approx four months of taking glucosamine and chondroitin I started getting red rashy patches which itched. I stopped taking the supplements and after a couple of weeks the rashes went away. I don't feel like restarting in case this happens again.
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine and Chondroitin posted by Paula on January 13, 1998 at 22:39:18:
Paula,
If you want to "treat the underlying cause" you might start at the home page above and Dr. Stoll's book. I beats using drugs to cover up symptoms, I can tell you. I spent years in many doctor's offices with no results for a chronic condition (GERD). My symptoms were different than yours, but the cause probably the same as you will see.
Good hunting.
Jim
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Tom LaMere on January 06, 1998 at 11:43:16:
This is for Dr. Stoll! I have been taking G. for six months and I believe it does help my knees! Problem... I get the Idea that there is some scamming going on about price! I am using Solgar's G/C complex, 60 tablets at 1000 mg Gluc., 1000 mg Cond., 200 Vit C. They are like $28.00. Now I am looking for something cheaper and I see stuff for the same price at 200 mg, 200 mg, etc.. What is this stuff made out of that is is so expensive? Also, how about the new injectable that is supposed to last 3 months? Is it any good? Also the new shot that tricks the Immune system into not attacking the joints?? Please, send me a serious reply!
I just started taking Glucosamine/Chondroitin at the advice of my endocrinologist. He did state that some may scoff at this. After nine years of taking prednisone and Imuran, I don't see how I can worry about the side effects of this medication. At the end of this month I will have to ad Methotrexate to my list of medications. I'm currently taking Oxycontin 80 mgs for pain. With Still's Disease, 7 herniated discs in my back, systemic vasculitis, and Epilepsy I don't know what I have to lose in trying this. I've heard great things about Glucosamine/Chondroitin. If it has a chance of helping me with my pain......I'm going for it! I've talked to many already that have stated relief after taking this. I'm not worried about the "Trade Description Act or misrepresentation of goods." I'm worried about the effects of long term dosing of prednisone, Imuran, and Methotrexate. Now THAT scares me.
Disabled RN
Have recently started taking Glucosamine with Proanthocyanidins(wine grape seed) Hearing much about side effects of Glucosamine Sulfate, but none on Proanthocyanidins. What I'm using simply says,"Glucosamine" not Sulfate. Is this one in the same or not? Any info on side effects of Proanthocyanidins?
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Ingrid Rickers on January 11, 1998 at 12:04:59:
Dear Ingrid,
Glucosamine might help for a while (& may not). At best, it would be a temporary benefit. If it does help your symptoms, you can bet it is doing some good for your process so I would give it a try.
HOWEVER having said that, for this to be happening at your tender age, you have much more serious symptoms coming as you go on with your life UNLESS you listen to the message your bodymind is trying to send you. You really need to understand your genetic susceptibility at a deep level so you can do whatever will allow you to find your greatest potential soon.
Just to get you started thinking in the right direction: You should know by now that all the greatest athletic professionals use skilled relaxation exercises and imagery to enhance the quality of their game. If you go far enough, you will too. Your bodymind is telling you that you will not likely progress further unless you start doing that at least 20 minutes twice a day right now.
You would benefit from reading my book (link below) to help you get started with an basic understanding as to how to do this AND what other options you might have for right now. If you want the first good book out, that details this mechanism for improving your game, you would be interested in the classic "Mental Tennis". Any bookstore could find you a copy. If I thought that, alone, was the answer to your problem, I would have suggested it first.
Walt
Once you have that information under your belt, if you still have questins write here again.
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine and Chondroitin posted by Paula on January 13, 1998 at 22:39:18:
Dear Paula,
It is for people like you for which I wrote my book (link below). If, once you have read it, you think I know what I am talking about, I would suggest you read one of the resources in the back: "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier.
THEN, you WILL "have a clue". THEN, if you still have questions, write again.
Glucosamine MIGHT help for a while but it is NOT the answer to this condition.
Walt
Could you tell me if glucosamine comes in a product NOT derived from animal byproducts? K. Lynch
Dear Dr Stoll
I recently saw reference to your book on your web site, but was not able to contact your '800' number from here in Perth, Western Australia. I have also not been able to obtain a copy from book shops here either. Is it distributed in Australia?
I have arthritis in my left hip and have been advised that I will need to have the hip replaced in a few years time. I do not accept this outcome as being inevitable, and on the strength of information I have acquired, partly from the Internet, I have been taking one teaspoon of gelatin powder twice a day in orange juice. I have also been taking colloidal minerals and a product containing calcium, vitamin D3, manganese, zinc, copper and boron. After two months of this I am feeling very healthy, but the discomfort associated with my hip is no better.
Based on the information on your excellent BB, I will also now start taking glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin sulfate. They seem to be part of, or packaged with, shark cartilage here. I have st opped load-bearing exercise, as far as possible. (Is cycling considered a load-bearing exercise as far as the hip is concerned?)
Many thanks
Rory
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Jay on January 13, 1998 at 13:49:07:
Dear Jay,
Veterinarians have used glucosamine, successfully, for many years. If you are looking for dosages, both the beings you mentioned would use the adult dose of 1500 milligrams a day. If dogs have a different dosage ratio, your vet would know best.
If there are no beneficial results in a month, I would be suspicious that it was not going to work at all. In MY experience that dosage ratio has no significant side effects. There are people on this BB who might disagree with that but I am quoting the world literature. Who knows what is most accurate?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Maria for Marian on January 14, 1998 at 02:23:51:
Dear Maria,
I know of none. However, I would expect "mainstream medicine" to be 20 years behind its common usage since it does not require a prescription and, as such, is seen as competition to the monopoly.
Most libraries maintain a connection to Medline & could call up any articles in the "mainstream medicine" literature for you.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by AnnG on January 14, 1998 at 02:24:13:
Dear Ann,
ANYONE with any side effects they think came from ANYTHING they have taken should report that happening to the manufacturer. This is the best way to get this knowledge into common awareness.
Right now, the official attitude of the profession is that glucosamine is among the safest of things to take. If it is causing rashes and intestinal upset, no one knows it. How would they find it out if no one reports it?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Terry Krueger on January 14, 1998 at 13:20:12:
Dear Terry,
Let the buyer beware about the price AND the guality. If it were me, I would go to my vet & ask her/him for the best price AND company.
I have no knowledge of the other modalities you are mentioning. All I CAN say is what I have said so many times before: Chronic conditions will never be resolved by anything one TAKES but by something one DOES.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine/Chondroitin Sulfate A side effects? posted by Barbara on January 14, 1998 at 16:35:45:
Dear Barbara,
As an RN, it is time for you to start thinking for yourself. You do not have several distinct diseases! You have one basic process that is causing all of your symptoms (& pathologically distinct "diseases").
What you need to get yourself out of this hole is not another thing to take--although glucosamine is not likely to hurt you--its benefits would be temporary at best. What you need is KNOWLEDGE--another way of looking at your unique self.
I could suggest several resources for you but since my new book was written precisely for people like you who might be ready to think for themselves (and it includes all the references I would list for you here) there is where you could most profitably begin (link below).
THEN, if that makes sense to you, write again & I will be happy to direct you to the next references you need. Once you get a little way into this, you will soon begin to direct yourself.
As you get well, please share your experiences with this BB since others could be helped to see that they do not have to suffer as you have (neither do you).
Walt
I would encourage anyone who has concerns about the possible side effects of Glucosamine to follow the attached link:
http://home.iatronet.net/papers/glucosamine.htm
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine/Chondroitin Sulfate A side effects? posted by Barbara on January 14, 1998 at 16:35:45:
My wife suffers from a knee problem where the cartilage
is about gone on one side of the joint. She gets some
relief from cortisone injection in the knee, but without
some new cartilage, there is a knee replacement re-quirement. She is alergic to sulfates. Is there any
subtance without sulfate? Thanks
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine/Chrondroitin posted by Bob C. on January 17, 1998 at 17:25:50:
Dear Bob,
From the research I have seen, glucosamine hydrochloride is not nearly as effective but probably worth a try. If there are no benefits in a month, forget it.
HOWEVER, there are a LOT of mor effective approaches, in the short & long run, that she at least deserves to know about. The quickest way to get on that path would be to read a copy of my new book (link below).
THEN, from THAT increased data base, if either of you have more questions, please do not hesitate to write again.
You might also use the search feature provided for this BB & read everything you can find about her condition, arthritis & related conditions.
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Sue on January 15, 1998 at 00:58:47:
Dear Sue,
I know of no significant side effects of glucosamine sulfate in the medical literature. I HAVE heard people mention GI upset & hair loss but the literature does not yet reflect that. I have encouraged people who think they are having side effects to contact the manufacturer since that is the way side effects are discovered for a non-prescription substance.
There is a publication called "PDR For Non-Prescription Drugs" to which your reference librarian would have access. You probably would find answers to your questions there.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by K. Lynch on January 15, 1998 at 21:44:06:
Deaer K.,
The source I know of is the shells of sea life. Is that too animal source for you? I know that a real Vegan would consider it so. I know of no purely vegetable source but your health food store owner, Chiropractor or Naturopath would know.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Patti on January 09, 1998 at 17:11:02:
I have been taking the GMC brand CM Gold supplements with Glucosamine and Cetyl-myristoleate for sore ankles that crack when I walk after sitting or sleeping. I am 37 years old and have limited milk intake in my diet. I have been taking the supplements for 4 days and have noticed an increase in my breast size. This is the only side effect that I am aware of so far.
I have been experiencing bad headaches and lightheadedness after taking glucosamine sulfate by itself and also when combined with chondroitin.I started taking feverview to help with the headaches but I'm wondering what underlying process is causing this. Since there are so few of us to have side effects maybe we all have a common problem such as diabetes or thryoid problems ,etc.I I don,t have any serious medical problems that I know of but it would be helpful to hear from others .
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine side effects posted by Walt Stoll on January 12, 1998 at 10:30:44:
I have been taking glucosamine and chondroitin for a week now. I have a bad hip problem,.I've tried everything. The past week I have seen a big reduction in pain. I am very active. I lift weights at least 3 times a week,ride a stationary bike and play squash. The squash is what hurts the hip the most. Anyway in the past two days I've started to experience a lot of gas,heartburn and bloating. I want to keep taking the supplements but hate the side effects. Any solutions?
Gastrointestinal distress, usually mild, is a known side effect of chondroitin sulfate, seen in a low fraction of those who take it in the recommended doses, a higher fraction of those who take more.
Gastrointestinal distress, usually mild, is a known side effect of chondroitin sulfate, seen in a low fraction of those who take it in the recommended doses, a higher fraction of those who take more.
In Reply to: Chicken cartilage for knee pain posted by Susie on January 18, 1998 at 11:59:27:
Dear Susie,
Thanks for the kind words.
I, too, have heard of using cartiledge products for triggering healing in cases like this. However I have no experience, personally or professionally, with this stuff. Your health food store should be able to get you a line on it. The only way we know of to predict which person will get benefits is for them to use their bodies as a laboratory & see. Not everybody gets even any benefits. He would have to take it for at least 3 months to see if symptoms would improve. Since this is not a pain killing substance, if symptoms improve it probably means healing is taking place.
I would recommend trying glucosamine sulfate 1500 milligrams a day along with this.
In the end, there are many other things that he could learn to do that would combine with this to help even more. Use the search feature of this BB to look for other joint problems like this.
If you have more questions write again.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Holly Hoffman on January 18, 1998 at 18:21:09:
Dear Holly,
This is a new one on me. I would be very interested in hearing if this persists after you stop the glucosamine.
Thanks.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Chicken cartilage for knee pain posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 1998 at 11:56:30:
A Dr. actually encouraging alternative medicine, Thank you. I have passed along the info on glucosamine to my dad, and as far as the chicken cartilage, I haven't found a store or person who has any idea where to get it. I believe because it is an animal product it isn't available without FDA approval, so I need a foreign source. If you should ever come across one I'd love to know, I'll be checking your board frequently. Thanks
I am a veteran of the conflict in the Persian Gulf and have
symptoms that have been diagnosed by the VA as arthritis, and other symptoms that resemble fibromyalgia (pain in the muscles, not associated with physical excercise). I have been seeing a chiropractor for about 2 years, which helps, but not with the arthritis.
We took our dog to the vet for a sore leg and he gave her glyco-flex to help with arthritis, I had to ask whether this was available for humans as well, which he informed me it is. I have just started using glucosamine, so I can't say whether or not it is helping.
I would like to know if you have heard from other Gulf War vets concerning the use of glucosamine, and if so, how has it worked for them?
I would like all the side effects of glucosamine sulfate,
I would like to start taking glucosamine sulfate but I have severe side effects on many medication I have taken in the past. Thank you.
I have been taking glucosamine sulfate for approx. 2 months now. My knees feel great, no pain. But lately I have developed muscle pain in the legs and arms, with small nodules of concentrated tenderness. Could this be a possible side effect? I am taking tablets twice a day. Morning & evening. Can someone help me with my question?
I have been taking glucosamine sulfate for approx. 2 months now. My knees feel great, no pain. But lately I have developed muscle pain in the legs and arms, with small nodules of concentrated tenderness. Could this be a possible side effect? I am taking tablets twice a day. Morning & evening. Can someone help me with my question?
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine/Chondroitin Sulfate A side effects? posted by stefanie greenberg2231 on January 19, 1998 at 14:31:55:
Dear Stefanie,
I have been urging people with side effects to contact the manufacturer with them. The only way we will know ALL about this substance (or any substance), in relationship to humans, is to report those side effects EVERY TIME.
When your body tells you a message I think it wisest to listen. Certainly there are other options to help you than glucosamine. Just because glucosamine is the current excitement is no reason for you to stop thinking about the rest that we have discussed on this BB for several years.
Walt
i HAVE TAKEN GLUCOSAMINE SULFATE FOR 4 MONTHS AND HAVE NO SIDE AFFECTS. IT HAS REDUCED MY PAIN BY 3/4. AS IN ALL SUBSTANCES IT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. IT DOES WORK AND SHOULD BE STUDIED FURTHER. i THINK THE BIG DRUG COMAPNIES HATE IT BECAUSE THER EIS NO PROFIT IN IT.
Heard that you shouldn't take glucosamine sulfate if your have a history of migraine headaches. Also if you're allergic to sulfa? Any thoughts or comments. I bought plain glucosamine w/o sulfate to see if it would help
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Herb Phillipson, Jr. on March 02, 1997 at 12:27:19:
I have a 14 year old dog who has terrible Arthritis. At Christmas time she could barely walk. I think she was in alot of pain. She was starting to cripple and the aspirin just weren't enough anymore. While we were home at Christmas my Mother said "Why don't you give her what your Grandmother is taking for her back and her Arthritis, the Doctor told her to take Glucosamine." My Grandmother was on a bus, sitting over the wheel and the bus drove over a huge pothole lifting her from her seat and slamming her back down. She fractured two vertebra (spelling?) and has subsequently experienced pain (no kidding). Her Doctor, after her treatment, recommended Glucosamine for this and her arthritis.
Well, I got my dog Sharks Cartilage first and she improved, then I found Glucosamine and she improved more and now I also have her on Cat's Claw. She has other ailments as well, but all of these products are beneficial for her Arthritis (as well as her other problems). Today we walked completely around the block. We haven't done this in 6-8 months. I think Glucosamine was used on dogs first and read your note about trying to find info for people not dogs, I had the same problem but in reverse. You may have been recommended through dogs usage, but my dog was recommended by my Grandmother and Mother who were told to take this by my Grandma's Doctor. Anyway, they are both doing much better and I hope you found relief as well. Possibly you could combine these other products to your benefit. Wishing you good health.
P.S. Obviously there are Doctors recommending these products, I'm glad my Grandmother has one that does.
Patricia
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Patti on January 09, 1998 at 17:11:02:
I am on Orthopedic Surgeon who has, in the past, done some work with cartilage regeneration techniques. I am, however, curious to know how the combination of glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate actually work to "restore normal articular cartilage". I have attempted to search the medical literature from the past few years and find very little published data on this subject. The internet, however, brings up 2000 websites. My patients are continually asking about these products. I want to back up any recommendation with some science.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Bev on January 21, 1998 at 17:42:01:
Bev,
Help what?
Jim
I've been taking a combination of 1000 mg of glucosamine and 800 mg of chondroitin daily for about 5 weeks for arthritis of the CMC and STT joints. I think there has been a little improvement. However, since then my formerly normal blood pressure has shot up to 140 over 100. Since there have been no other changes in diet or lifestyle, I'm wondering if the supplements (which I have just stopped taking) could be a factor in this. I would appreciate your comment.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine side effects posted by paul steele on January 20, 1998 at 08:22:43:
Dear Paul,
I think you should report your symptoms to the manufacturer. Also, there are lots of other things that would give you the same benefits that might not have the side effects you may be experiencing. The best way to understand your other options would be to read a copy of my book (link below). THEN, if you still have questions, please write again.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by K.A. Anderegg, M.D. on January 20, 1998 at 08:57:07:
Dear Doc K.A.,
Thanks for the input. This is another good reason for not using the chondroitin. All that I have seen says that it doesn't work orally anyhow & it is too dangerous to take IV.
I have looked for research saying that chondroitin worked (especially in conjunction with the glucosamine) & as yet have seen none. I hope someone who knows of such research will point me toward it.
If it were me, I would only take the glucosamine sulfate.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Dr. James Klosterman on January 21, 1998 at 20:07:22:
Hard data on the regenerative benefits of glucosamine sulfate are not available. It has been widely touted popularly, both in natural health literatures and in popular sources (a New York Times article by Jane Brody last Monday, for example). But firm studies have been conspicuous by their absence. Last I heard, a double blind study was
under way at Mt. Sinai hospital in Toronto, Canada. There may be one or two others. In the interim, one accepts on faith.
T KOch
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by K.A. Anderegg, M.D. on January 20, 1998 at 08:57:36:
I have been experimenting with a glucosamine/condroitin combination for about 6 mos. I find 90% reduction in pain, increased mobility, with minimal gastrointestinal distress. Lower dosage (1/2 recommended) taken with 1000-1500MG aspirin daily seem to result in even better effects, when used to treat arthritis of unknown origin, symptoms primarily in extremeties.
I have a hyper-thyroid problem and Graves Eye Disease
as a result of my thyroid problem.
My neck and arm joints are in constant pain.
Can I benefit from this without any side effects?
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate side effects posted by Rose Jalette on January 21, 1998 at 09:45:08:
Since there is only one of me, & many of you, I am electing to try to keep up by writing this generic response to all glucosamine questions. For those of you who have already done this, I apologize & hope you will understand why I am trying this. Just do your question again & title it something like "Glucosamine 2" & I will do my best.
For those of you looking for information for the first time ( & have not used the search feature for this BB--that is what it is there for) please read every entry about this subject & it is VERY likely you will find what you seek.
THEN, if you still have questions, write again.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Dr. James Klosterman on January 21, 1998 at 20:07:22:
Dear Doc James,
I do not think that anyone knows yet. However, since it is so safe, & vets have used it successfully for years, why not let the patient's body tell them (& you) whether this is worth while?
I would suggest that your local veterinarian would be able to direct you to some of the research you seek. We both know that animal research is still the most common way stuff is tested for human consumption.
Since it is not a pain pill, any improvement of symptoms is thought to be an actual healing of the joint in some way. Another way to help the symptoms of arthritis is by the use of essential oils. However, the mechanism for the effectiveness (with arthritis) of these healthy substances IS mainly known. They work with the prostaglandin E1&2 pathways to suppress the inflammatory effect. As such they do not promote healing just reduce the patient's inflammatory process that is causing pain--still worth while and less dangerous than any other suppressive therapy. Any patient would thank you for the advice. All of this stuff is covered & referenced in my new book (link below).
Of course, essential oils are now known to be effective in nearly 40 chronic conditions (from arthritis to atherosclerosis, hypertension and eczema). So, using them for arthritis ALWAYS results in seemingly unrelated conditions improving (positive side effects).
I would be interested in hearing anything you learn--share it with the BB participants. We MD/DOs do not have very successful (or safe) treatments for arthritis. Why not add this safe, & frequently effective option to our patients?
My youngest son was interested in getting into medicine once he saw how much better my patients did with alternative approaches combined with conventional medicine. I was abale to convince him to go into Osteopathic Medicine as an obviously superior medical field. He now is teaching manipulation at his alma mater (Osteopathic Medical School of Fort Worth). I greatly respect the Osteopathic paradigm over the allopathic.<
p>Walt
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Tom Koch on January 22, 1998 at 21:26:53:
Dear Tom,
Thanks!
Please consider reading MY response to Dr Klosterman.
Walt
I read all of these testimonials about glucosamine and it is very encouraging however, I have not seen anyone that is my age (32) taking glucosamine. I played football and soccer in college and have been very active since college. I had arthroscopic knee surgery several years ago to remove some loose cartilage. My knee has never been the same. I can't jog or play ball without it crakling and giving me problems the next few day. X-rays show no "real" damage, but I know something is not right in there. Can glucosamine help my knee and what would be the long term effects of taking it?
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine/Chondroitin Sulfate A side effects? posted by Mary on January 22, 1998 at 09:21:45:
Dear Mary,
You would probably get a line on the current understanding about this by using the search feature provided with this BB & read everything you can find about glucosamine, glucosamine side effects and the like. THEN, if you still have questions I would do 2 things: A. Notify the manufacturer of your experience and, B. Ask the manufacturer is there has ever been any reports of glucosamine being related to blood pressure.
As you know, there are a myriad of things that can effect blood pressure. It is more likely that it is related to those other things than the glucosamine. You need more than one person in a study.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate side effects posted by Emily H. on January 23, 1998 at 22:09:02:
Dear Emily,
You need a lot more than another thing to try taking. You need KNOWLEDGE!
You do not have many differeent things. They are all caused by the same mechanisms. So long as you continue to try treating the tips of the iceberg, it will eventually sink your Titanic.
A perfect way for you to start collecting this knowledge would be to read a copy of my new book (link below). THEN, if you get interested in learning more, you would benefit from one of the resources listed in the back of my book: "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Ken Pelletier, PhD. This classic was written more than 20 years ago with many new editions right up to the present. It is available in any bookstore & library (although you will want your own copy) & was written about you. You didn't know you were famous, did you?
I recommend my book first because it is a lot less to swallow all at once & would make it a lot easier for you to get out of MAH,MAS what you need.
THEN, if you have more questions, write again here on the BB.
Walt
What are the side affects
Saw you on TV. You mentioned a particular brand name that you thought was best. I missed the name. Can you provide same?
I am suffering from bad knee. Cannot have operation as have heart valve and am using blood thinner.
Figured to give this a try as the cartlidge is most likely split and need to grow new.
Thanks. Stan Nippert
In Reply to: glucosamine posted by kenny on January 25, 1998 at 01:00:42:
Kenny,
You should go to your bookstore and read THE ARTHRITIS CURE by Jason Theodoculus, M.D.
Dr. Theodoculus was an athelete with the same questions that you have. As an Orthopedic surgeon he wasn't too impressed with the prospect of a knee replacement. He started taking glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin sulfate and did a major study on patients with thinning of knee cartilage from arthritis. The general outcome was that x-rays showed more cartilage (joint space) after 10 years of taking the GS/CS than the initial x-rays!
I can tell you that it is MUCH more complex than this and that just taking these supplements is not the answer (biomechanics, diet, etc are just as important) -- but it can start you on your way.
Bob
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by mervyn john barnard on January 19, 1998 at 04:33:33:
i need to know if glucosamine can safely be used by
diabetics. Does it have any affect on the pancreas and
does it affect blood glucose levels? Thank you-jerry solomon
In Reply to: Re: Walt on TV posted by Peter Wray on January 26, 1998 at 14:25:59:
Hi Peter,
Great ideas! I started a glucosamine faq a couple months ago and have a lot of notes - hope to snarf a couple hours to do it - after i finish my Tae Kwon Do thesis. It's due in a couple weeks. Hoping nothing else comes up :)
If anyone else wants to put together a faq on any condition or supplement then have Dad review it for inclusion on this site, it would be welcomed and appreciated effort.
Bill
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Herb Phillipson, Jr. on March 02, 1997 at 12:27:19:
HOW DOES IT WORK & FOR WHAT EXACTLY.
THANK YOU
what is a better health supplement
In Reply to: glucosamine posted by kenny on January 25, 1998 at 01:00:42:
Dear seekers after glucosamine info:
To save my sanity & time typing, you could all help yourselves by using the search feature for this BB (provided for exactly this purpose) & reading everything you can find about glucosamine side effects, glucosamine, arthritis, joint problems and the like.
THEN, if you still have questions, write again.
Walt
Could you please teel me in what plants glucosamine occurs.
By searching MEDLINE,I have found that chondrocitin occurs in Prickly Pear Cactus pads.
Thanks, Jay walley
In Reply to: side affects of glucosamine sulfate posted by dick spei on January 25, 1998 at 17:02:00:
Not only am I interested in side affects of glucoseamine sulfate and its other derivatives but what are safe and effective doses. I have seen 60 tablets of glucoseamine at 1200mg per tablet for $10.99 and 48 tablets of glucoseamine chondritin at 250mg per tablet for $18.99. Which is the best product?
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine/Chondroitin Sulfate A side effects? posted by Walt Stoll on January 21, 1998 at 14:33:03:
I have osteoarthritis in my lower back. I had back surgery the last of Sept. for two herniated discs because of the diseases. A fusion was not done because of a bulging disc above the two. I'm told my only alternative in the future will be fusions. I refuse to accept this.I would greatly appreciate any information on herbal, enzyne, vitamins, etc. used for treatment, or if anyone could give me information on Prolo Therapy which is suppost to be quite new. Last but not least,has a safe daily dosage been set for glucosamine & chondroitin or even a recommended one? THANKS!
Does anybody have any idea how chondroitin works in treating arthritis or other joint problems? It is a high molecular weight material, similar to gelatin, and must be broken down to amino acids and other low molecular weight compounds in the digestive system before it is absorbed. If that is the case, some (or perhaps all) of the amino acids making it up should be as effective as chondroitin in joint therapy.
This does not apply to glucosamine, which is a monosaccharide, and is absorbed unchanged through the small intestine.
In Reply to: Glucosimine/Chondritin - How Long? posted by Dick Luchor on January 26, 1998 at 09:49:40:
Dear Dick,
I had not heard of using niacinamide for arthritis of the knees. Does anyone have any idea how it works?
I would be very interested in hearing from anyone else who has had a positive experience with this approach.
It can take as long as a month to start feeling results with glucosamine and about 3-6 months for the most benefits.
I see no reason for your having stopped the niacinamide before starting the glucosamine. However, now that you have stopped it, you may have to wait till you see what the glucosamine does by itself before restarting the niacinamide in order to figure out which works best and whether both would help more.
Walt
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by L.LEVIN on January 26, 1998 at 20:00:56:
To all those who are asking about glucosamine & side effects, please save me typing it all over once again by using the search feature provided for this BB for just this reason.
Just type in glucosamine and glucosamine side effects and the search feature will list all that have not been archived. This will give you all that you have asked & more.
THEN, if you still have questions (that have not been covered many times on the BB already) please write again.
Walt
In Reply to: Glucosamine and Chondroitin posted by E. Allan Blair on January 28, 1998 at 12:18:24:
I would like further information on this subject
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1998 at 10:31:05:
Have to agree with Dr. Stoll, Glucosamine Sulfite without Chondroitin is the safest way to go. I have read studies that say the chondroitin is absolutely unecessary and causes great gastrointestinal distress. I have had excellent results with only Glucosamine Sulfite on my joints (I take only 2 500mg pills each day.) I tested the product by not taking the medication for a month and all my symptoms , joint pain, returned. My dog's veterinarian said he can't believe it has taken so many years for humans to take the drug that has cured most arthritis in animals for decades! Also, the cramping some of you mention may be due to an allergy to sulfites; so if that is the case do not take the medication. Unfortunately many do not know they are allergic until they take Glucosamine, as with any medication we ingest...those are the risks.
In Reply to: Re: side affects of glucosamine sulfate posted by Don Duhart on January 27, 1998 at 18:24:06:
Dear Don,
I still think you would benefit from reading all that has been on this BB for the past few months (use the search feature provided). The average dose is 1500 milligrams of glucosamine a day--best given in 2 divided doses.
The best price I have seen is by NOW and is 750 milligrams a capsule.
Walt
In Reply to: Alternate arthritis therapy posted by Ann J. on January 27, 1998 at 20:51:34:
Dear Ann,
You need to read a copy of my book (link below).
The correct dose of glucosamine is 750 milligrams twice a day. This will never prevent your need for surgery but might delay it.
You would be encouraged about your options about preventing the surgery by using the search feature of this BB & reading everything you can find about conditions like yours.
Walt
In Reply to: Glucosamine and Chondroitin posted by E. Allan Blair on January 28, 1998 at 12:18:24:
After more searching the web about Chondroitin, I have found that it is a rather strange polysaccharide, made up of glucuronic acid and galactosamine. The commercial preparations seem to have no protein in them at all. The molecular weight is 50000-100000 Daltons. In the body, it is covalently bonded to a protein.
This reinforces my feeling that chondroitin can not be absorbed by the body without breaking down to monosaccharides. This must be a subject for further study.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Dawn Laubenstein on January 27, 1998 at 08:40:54:
Thanks, Dawn.
Your testimonial will help others to keep going in the right direction.
How are you doing with your skilled relaxation?
Walt
I have read that studies showed improvement for those
individuals with osteoarthritis can this supplement also
help individuals with rheumatoid arthritis. I am a 35yr.
old woman an I would like to try to slow the deterioration
of my joints. My father has rheumatiod arthritis and also
my two sisters. I would like to decrease my pain and
improve my range of movement with out taking drugs if
possible.
hi - I have a 21lb. dog with arthritis. can you please cousel me on what dosage she should take? She is 11 years
old.
Thank you so much.
In Reply to: Re: Glucosimine/Chondritin - How Long? posted by Dick Luchor on January 29, 1998 at 08:25:50:
Dear Dick,
THANKS! I will send you the FAX#. I appreciate your helping me out. Once have seen the article, perhaps I will have some input about mechanism of action. Perhaps combining niacinamide with glucosamine might magnify the effect of both?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine and Chondroitin posted by E. Allan Blair on January 29, 1998 at 12:30:23:
Thanks Allan!
That has been MY impression as well. I am still trying to learn but I still have seen no studies supporting the use of chondroitin alone.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Carolyn Thacker on January 29, 1998 at 17:45:21:
Dear Carolyn,
Use the search feature for this BB & read everything you can find by Robert McFerran. He will respond & those with RA will get better if they decide to learn what they can do to help themselves.
I hope you will communicate here on the BB so others with these questions will learn from your exchange.
Walt
Before I commence taking Glucosamine Sulfate (500mg) I would like to know it's nutritional function and any interaction with other drugs (such as aspirin).
Please reply as soon as possible.
Thanks.
June A. Nonken, boatbay@aol.com
I am looking for information also, I found out about the DRUG at the local drug store. A 60 day supply is about $55. The drug pusher (Pharmacist) told of all the great thing it would do but could not supply any written information. I am having trouble with my knees from playing tennis on hard courts and long term problems with tennis elbo. If anyone has a story of personal experience I would like to know.
thanks
mike
In Reply to: Re: cosamine-DS posted by mike donoho on January 03, 1998 at 09:55:02:
Dear Mike,
If you will use the search feature for this BB, & read everything you can find about problems like yours, I think you will find that the "drug" will give you temporary benefits at best. It is safe & any symptomatic benefits are probably due to actual healing.
HOWEVER, no one would even consider that your knee problems are due to a deficiency of the the stuff in Cosamine DS. (grin)
If you want to resolve this problem permanently, you do not need to focus on ONLY finding something else to take.
Once you have seen what has been on this BB for months, if you still have questions, write again.
Walt
Dear Dr.,
Can you please advise me as to where I can pickup this product in our area. (i.e. cosamine-ds)
We live in Flemington, NJ. Located equidistant to both Philadelphia and New York if necessary.
Thank you for your help.
In Reply to: Re: cosamine-DS posted by linda sue on January 18, 1998 at 11:02:12:
Dear Linda Sue,
Health food store.
Walt
I had been taking niacinamide (500 mg, three times/day) for my shoulder and knee osteo. I decided to try the glucosimine/chondritin combo due to its popularity and stopped taking the niacinimide. My problem is that, after two weeks, the effects of the niacinamide have worn off and the g/c hasn't kicked in. My question is, how long does it take for these products to become effective?
Niacinamide seems to be a well kept secret for the treatment of the symptoms of arthritis, especially for the knees. My 83 year old mother started taking it (with her doctor's OK) and 10 days later hung her cane on the back of a chair where it remains to this day. She now only uses it when she ventures outside.
I have an article from a health magazine that was given to me by a fellow employee about niacinamide. I'll see if I can dig it up and, if I find it, I'll fax it to you.
The article was an interview with a doctor from here in Connecticut who did research on niacin over a period of many years.
Niacinamide is prefered over straight niacin because of the "flushing" caused by the niacin. I tried it and it is very uncomfortable.
I found the article on Niacinamide and arthritis, it was in the August 1997 issue of Nutrition & Healing magazine. The article was an interview with William Kaufman, Ph.D, M.D. who started his research in the early 1940s and published books on the subject in 1943 and 1949.
If you can't find a copy of the magazine, Email me your fax # and I'll send you a copy.
Dick Luchor
dick_luchor@fluids.ittind.com
In Reply to: Re: Glucosimine/Chondritin - How Long? posted by Dick Luchor on January 28, 1998 at 14:58:26:
Dear Dick,
I could hardly have practiced for more than 30 years without knowing that. However, all of the recent (past 10 years) research indicates it is the flushing that causes most of the benefits of taking the niacin. The 15 minutes of flush (in those in which it happens) is a small price to pay for the full effects.
I appreciate your bringing this up since there are a lot of people who are confused about this.
I might also use this opportunity to mention that a similar thing is going on with garlic. It is the odoriferous part of the garlic that sems to have the most effect. We would all like to believe that we could take the garlic and have no odor & still have the full effects. All of the world now knows this and has regulations to not certify garlic unless it contains the ododiferous parts--except the USA (which will be following this example soon).
Walt