Glucosamine historical posts 1997 (1 of 10)

Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 02, 1997 at 15:03:01:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Bonnie Tortora on December 29, 1996 at 12:08:40:

Dear Bonnie,

The glucosamine will probably help. However, none of us
would consider that arthritis is a glucosamine deficiency.

What I am trying to say is that arthritis, just like nearly
ALL chronic conditions, is a multifactorial disorder.
Trying to take care of it by altering just one of the
factors is not going to be a permanent solution. Arthritis
is one of the easiest conditions to stop in its tracks by
looking for the most important causes in THAT individual.
This is such a good example of the superiority of this
approach that I dedicated an entire chapter in my new book
to what individuals can do to discover those causes in
themselves AND the most important approaches they could use
WHILE they are dealing with the causes. You could get a line
on my book by going to the first page of my website.

As you get well, I would appreciate your sharing your
experiences with the BB participants. Others deserve to know
that there are safe & effectiv e alternatives that are not
being shared by practitioners of strictly conventional medicine.

The hcl is probably superior AND, since all patients I have
seen with arthritis also have LGS, the enzymes would probably
help the glucosamine work better. No incompatibility with
anything I know of. It is a normal component of a healthy
diet.
Walt



glucosamine

Posted by Martha Kent on November 28, 1996 at 20:07:59:

Hi Walt: what is your opinion on glucosamine--does it really rebuild cartilage in osteo-arthritis? Also, would it be prohibited in the whole foods diet? Beth Loiselle's book is so well written and complete, I wondered if the place to order it could go on the page where your book is ordered. Thanks, Martha


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 29, 1996 at 10:07:27:

In Reply to: glucosamine posted by Martha Kent on November 28, 1996 at 20:07:59:

Dear Martha,

Glucosamine does indeed facilitate the replacement of
cartilege in joint spaces. It has many other uses as well &
really needs to be supplemented in the kind of chronically
deficient food supply we have here in the USA.

I will ask Beth if she wants her book (800)# listed on the
website. I can think of no reason why she would refuse.
For those seriously intending to see HOW MUCH better they
might feel in a short period of time, only changing diet,
they can't find a better reference than this. That is not to
say that there might not be a better diet for long term use
for any of them. However, their IDEAL diet will not make
them feel better as quickly as following this to the letter.

I have your snail-mail package. I just will not have time
to deal with it until the first of the week.

Walt





Re: glucosamine

Posted by Martha Kent on November 29, 1996 at 16:11:21:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on November 29, 1996 at 10:07:27:

Thanks Walt for your reply. Is it known whether glucosamine would be utilized by candida? That part of my question wasn't answered. I seem to have minor effects when I take it. Am going without for a week now to check. The board is great now, thanks to Bill. Peace, Martha



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 30, 1996 at 09:41:32:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Martha Kent on November 29, 1996 at 16:11:21:

Dear Martha,

I don't know about the glucosamine. I do know it would not
be utilized as glucose by the candida. The main restriction
candida has on its metabolism is that it does not have the
enzymes necessary to break bonds of anything TO glucose. It
can only utilize monosaccharides or disaccharides.
Glucosamine is handled more like an amino acid than a sugar.

I would think you could get a better answer by calling the
foundation referenced in my book about getting information
specific to C-RS.
Walt




Re: glucosamine

Posted by Bonnie Tortora on December 29, 1996 at 12:08:40:

In Reply to: glucosamine posted by Martha Kent on November 28, 1996 at 20:07:59:


Dr. Stoll,

Just heard about glucosamine and am thinking of taking it for a slight osteoarthritis in the knee but am wary of side effects. I don"t know what dosage and if it would be incompatible with synthyroid in any way. Is the HCL really superior to the sulfate? There is a product by Bioscript that contains enzymes such as protease in combination with glucosamine HCL. Is this needed or advisable? Please advise.

Sincerely,
Bonnie Tortora

Bonnie


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Ralph Priestman on February 03, 1997 at 11:34:49:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on November 29, 1996 at 10:07:27:

I have been using Glucosamine Sulphate (500mg 3 times a day) for about six months and the results are quite remarkable. The debilitating symtoms that plagued me for many years are now almost gone. The improvement in my life and the lives of everyone in my family as a result is significant. I am curious why the Arthritis Foundation does not support the use of glucosamine and why no major drug company has conducted studies to determine the efficacy of the treatment for approval by the FDA? I am aware that use of glucosamine is among the treatments of choice for non-specific arthritis in many other countries.


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 04, 1997 at 09:35:29:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Ralph Priestman on February 03, 1997 at 11:34:49:

Hi, Ralph.

Welcome to the BB. Your question is a good one, though the
answers are complex & nearly unbelievable to anyone who
still trusts in the "system". It actually is one of the
main reasons I wrote my book. If you want to learn more
about how to help yourself AND do something about helping
others find this information at the same time, you REALLY
need my book.

I appreciate your sharing your own testimonial with us here
on the BB. Personal testimonials are more likely to get
others thinking than ANYTHING I can say.

Unfortunately, none of us would consider saying that
Arthritis is a Glucosamine Sulphate deficiency. There are
ALWAYS a multiplicity of factors that work together to cause
this chronic condition. If only one of the factors are
dealt with, the results will be temporary (although
temporary could mean years in any individual)--another
reason for you to read my book (& not just the chapter on
arthritis).

Unfortunately, once one experiences as much benefit as
you report, their incentive to learn more is usually gone.
It quickly comes back once the symptoms recur even though the
glucosamine is continued. Any additional efforts will not
only be easier WHILE you are feeling better but will create
more benefits with the same effort during that time.

Walt





Re: glucosamine

Posted by f. a. on February 07, 1997 at 17:26:57:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on February 04, 1997 at 09:35:29:

I've been following some of the info on glucosamine. My ? is which is better in your opinion. the sulfate or hdrychoride versions of the nutrient? Should there be something else taken with to make it absorb into system better. I keep hearing differing opinions.
thanks.


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 08, 1997 at 08:41:12:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by f. a. on February 07, 1997 at 17:26:57:

Dear f.a.,

My impressions, so far, is the sulfate form. However, if
someone else has more data I am always ready to learn. This
form is particularly easy to absorb (as formulated by
Metagenics). This is available in health food stores under
the lable of "Ethical Nutrients". If you have trouble
finding it, let me know & I can give you other resources.

We all still have a lot to learn about this substance.

Remember, NOTHING works as well in isolation. There are new
combinations that assist the FUNCTION of this nutrient being
discovered every month. It is impossible to keep up. It
is a matter of following the development of the metabolic
pathways in which glucosamine works to their many
conclusions. Each coenzyme, catalyst & cofactor has to be
identified & determined whether it is something the body can
make or has to be taken from the outside world. If it can
be made internally, are the precursers also made within the
body or are THEY someth ing that has to be taken, etc. I
hope you can see where this is leading.

Very good question. It opens up many fruitful avenues for
discussion. Since I still have so much to learn, I hope the
organic biochemists & physiologists on the BB will
contribute their expertise.
Walt





Re: glucosamine

Posted by melinda coffman on February 10, 1997 at 23:15:54:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on February 08, 1997 at 08:41:12:

I work part-time for a veterinarian who has been using Glucosamine HCL for sometime now for animals(mostly dogs and horses) with some dramatic results. His wife has also been taking it, (after bearing 8 children, she had alot of hip discomfort) with great results. When she stopped taking it, her pain symtoms returned; she immediately returned to taking the supplement. Dr. Bingham feels that the Glucosamine Hydrochloride is much purer, more concentrated, and more effective. Most of research I've done seems to support this. My husband has just been diagnosed with degenerative disc disease and is going to try this approach; after just having his second round of cortizone shots in his back in a month and a half, he's very willing to try almost anything. Several studies I've read indicate that Steroids and NSAIDS actually cause damage to the cartilage and other connective tissue/fluid. Dr. Bingham also confirms this. I hope this info is helpful.

M.Coffman


Re: glucosamine

Posted by anil parikh on February 11, 1997 at 08:13:03:

In Reply to: glucosamine posted by Martha Kent on November 28, 1996 at 20:07:59:

please advise how t0 use and what to do?i use-thanks
anil


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 11, 1997 at 08:39:45:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by melinda coffman on February 10, 1997 at 23:15:54:

Dear Melinda,

I really appreciate your input. I, too, have learned a lot
from my Holistic Vet. It is too bad that we are permitted
to take better care of our animal friends than our human
patients, isn't it?

I have no arguement with your statement of the HCL form
being better. I have only mentioned MY experience. In a
few years, the truth will become more obvious to all of us.

You are right about the NSAIDS & cortisone actually causing
MORE damage in the long run--another example of our
penchant for preferring short term "gains" over long term
benefits. Remember the Hippocratic Oath? The first thing
in the oath is: "FIRST DO NO HARM!" What ever happened to
that as a guide for the present Allopathic Monopoly?

If your husband IS really "ready to try anything", he needs
to first educate himself about the options he really has. If
he simply is at the stage where he is willing to try any
TREATMENT, he is not yet aware of his choices. He REALLY
need s to read a copy of my book & THEN start making better
choices of who to believe.
Walt





Re: glucosamine

Posted by Melinda Coffman on February 11, 1997 at 15:34:32:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on February 11, 1997 at 08:39:45:

Dear Walt,

Thanks for your speedy reply!

I must admit that when I said my husband was willing to try anything, I exaggerated. Being a scientist himself, he does want proof but I think I have convinced him to try this approach.

I should add that the glucosamine supplememt I was referring to is the brand-name CosaminDS manufactured by Nutramax. This product contains 500 mg Glucosamine, 400 mg Chondroitin Sulfate, 10 mg Manganese, and 66 mg Manganese Ascorbate. I contacted Nutramax and this product is only available through a veternarian, although you can order the equine formula direct. I believe Nutramax first introduced their product for use in horses.

Although my vet carries several other glucosamine products, this one seems to have more sucess than others in some patients. We have also discussed gelatin, which he felt would be helpful when taken in conjunction with the glucosamine products.

I am embarrassed to say that I just skipped through the BB yesterday and didn't realize you had a bo ok--sounds like there may be several options. Thanks, We'll check it out!!

Melinda


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 12, 1997 at 10:12:31:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by anil parikh on February 11, 1997 at 08:13:03:

Anil,

Since every product is different, I would probably go to the most knowledgable healthfood store OWNER & ask for advice about the different products. THEN, to start with, I would take at least 50% more than s/he recommended. That is the quickest way to see if the stuff is going to help anyhow. No risk with these dosages. THEN, once my symptoms stopped improving & I had reached a plateau for a month or so, I would cut the dose by the extra 50% & see if my benefits persisted. I would keep cutting the dose, every few months, until my symptoms started coming back. Then I would know that I had cut the dose too far. This is not a cure but many people can maintain relief for years with this alone.

Anyone serious about actually curing these conditions have to go beyond TAKING something to DOING something. Those interested would do well to start by reading my book so they might better choose what THEY should be doing toward this end.
Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 12, 1997 at 10:17:32:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Melinda Coffman on February 11, 1997 at 15:34:32:

Dear Melinda,

Let us know what happens. If it were me, I would probably use the veterinarian product you mentioned. There certainly should be no risk doing so.

I am glad to hear that you will be reading the book. There certainly are other options to use in conjunction with these substances. There are more than enough references to satisfy your husband's "scientific" curiosity.
Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by John on February 18, 1997 at 20:48:22:

In Reply to: glucosamine posted by Martha Kent on November 28, 1996 at 20:07:59:

What are the major side effects?


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Herb Phillipson, Jr. on March 02, 1997 at 12:27:19:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on February 12, 1997 at 10:12:31:

I just purchased (yesterday) a book by Theodosakis, MD, Adderly, and Fox called "The Arthritis Cure". They recommend this compound with chondroitin sulfate. They cite a number of overseas studies that indicate fairly permanent relief. I wanted to check on the Internet and found your BB after fighting my way through stacks of www pages discussing its use in horses and dogs.

The Arthritis Foundation condemns it without reason citing no long term studies but admits it is efficacious in the short term. I just scolded them for being negative and condemning a product because there is no long term study. Apparently, the product is not deleterious or the FDA would have stepped in a long time ago.

The book is interesting (I have not read yours and did not know it existed until seeing the BB) but, like you, would like to know other's experience with it.

Thanks for having this link: it is great to find some information to back up what I have read.

Herb Phillipson, Jr. 502 Sunnyside Drive, Dowagiac, M I 49047
hep@iname.com


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 1997 at 11:12:52:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Herb Phillipson, Jr. on March 02, 1997 at 12:27:19:

Dear Herb,

Thanks for sharing your information. I couldn't agree more. In MY experience, the reason it is not being supported by the Arthritis Foundation & the FDA is that ANY health-care provider can recommend it--it does not require a prescription. The Arthritis Foundation is supported by the AMA BECAUSE the AF only supports things recommended by the Allopathic Monopoly.

I still remember an hour TV appearance I participated in back in about 1983. On the panel was the head honcho of the AF, the president of the state medical association, a representative from the FDA & myself. I spoke positively about the favorable results I had seen with diet, exercise, skilled relaxation & essential oils. None of us knew about chondroitin & glucosamine back then.

I was roundly denounced as a quack by every one of the other participants. They all said that physical therapy & prescription drugs were the only things worth considering. THEN, I was gratified to see the rest of the program used up by one after ano ther of audience participants telling their own personal stories about their lack of improvement with conventional treatments & their remarkable improvements doing exactly what I had listed as being effective. Since none of the other panelists dares to suggest that any of these approaches were dangerous, they just tended to sit in stunned silence for the rest of the program.

That was more than 14 years ago & still the AMA is harassing out of practice those physicians who dare to offer these simple, safe, inexpensive & effective alternatives to the Allopathic Monopoly. If these things were only available by prescription, they would have been the "standard of practice" at least for the past 10 years.

You would be greatly benefitted by reading my book since it would help you integrate what you are learning with the many other complementary options now available. None of us are saying that glucosamine is the solution to arthritis. It is just an adjunctive treatment that is probably closer to helping t he basic metabolic causes of this condition than ANY of the prescription items we MDs make so much money prescribing.

This is one reason I end so many of my communications with the saying: Walking in light is our only hope!"

Welcome to our BB.
Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Duy Nguyen on March 12, 1997 at 02:51:39:

In Reply to: glucosamine posted by Martha Kent on November 28, 1996 at 20:07:59:

Hi Walt,

I just happened to stumble on this board. I've been reading
up a lot on glucosamine sulfate and its benefits...
unfortunately, i'm over in Tokyo for a business assignment
so i can't really get started. I've had bad knees for the
past few years and wondered if this thing might help.
Can you explain about glucosamine sulfate and some
benefits/effects (possible on liver)? you can email
me if its better than posting.

regards,
Duy


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 12, 1997 at 14:50:52:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Duy Nguyen on March 12, 1997 at 02:51:39:

Dear Duy,

The effect of glucosamine on knee problems is mainly related to exactly what kind of problem you have with your knees. Let me know the exact diagnosis & I might be able to help you more. I know of no short-term, OR long-term, risks with the liver when used in any reasonable approximation of the recommended dose.

Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Pamela Dhillon on March 12, 1997 at 16:19:14:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 1997 at 11:12:52:

Hi! I am writing on behalf of my 68 year old mother-in-law. She has arthritus and it's spreading fast.

She has been given several different prescriptions to kill pain etc.

I heard that glucosamine helps. Should she stop taking other medication before taking this. The bottle says to take 3 or 4 pills daily? Is this too much? Too little?

Please advise.



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Duy Nguyen on March 12, 1997 at 22:28:28:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on March 12, 1997 at 14:50:52:

Hi Walt,

thanks for quick reply...I play a lot of sports, mainly
basketball and very competitive volleyball. As you know,
these sports involve lots of jumping and cutting. For about
2-3 yrs now, i've had pain right under my knee cap. I realize that this is from jumping and landing to put lots
of stress on my knees. I also know that making my legs
stronger should help. I am still rehabilitating but still
feel the pain (not as much). I'm hoping i can get extra
help, ie glucosamine. Also, I buckled my right knee and
feel some more pain there. I'm currently stuck in Japan
on a business assignment and won't be back for another 5 wks. Are there any brands out there of g. sulfate that
you would recommend? what dosage? Any side effects at all?
thanks for your reply.

duy


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Dyy Nguyen on March 13, 1997 at 00:04:58:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on March 12, 1997 at 14:50:52:

Hi Walt,

I read somewhere that somebody took G.S. and experienced
nasal drips, runny noses...etc.

Do you know of cases like this?

regards,
Duy


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 1997 at 13:03:54:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Dyy Nguyen on March 13, 1997 at 00:04:58:

Dear Duy,

ANYONE can be allergic to ANYTHING. The symptoms you are mentioning are classical allergic symptoms. However, those who develop allergies to a single molecule like this nearly always have severe Leaky Gut Syndrome, which is one of the major contributors to degenerative joint disease--for which many people are trying glucosamine.

Anyone interested in looking at their arthritic problems in a much wider context really need to get my book. I have dedicated an entire chapter to this problem since resolving it is such a good example of the superiority of the holistic paradigm as opposed to the simplistic Allopathic approach that we all know doesn't work.

Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 1997 at 13:07:39:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Duy Nguyen on March 12, 1997 at 22:28:28:

Dear Duy,

I have no personal experience with using glucosamine. I just know that it is part of an effective metabolic treatment for degeneration of the skeletal system in the USA. I gave you an (800) number (in an earlier post today) to call, from one of the most reliable manufacturers I know of & would suggest you ask them that same question.
Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 1997 at 13:14:33:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Pamela Dhillon on March 12, 1997 at 16:19:14:

Dear Pam,

Anyone whose arthritis "is spreading fast" should not depend upon any one substance to stop it. I have dedicated an entire chapter to the most common causes of arthritis in my new book. My best suggestion would be to start there. THEN, when she begins to see where HER causes fit in this mosaic, using glucosamine IN CONJUNCTION WITH the other appropriate things FOR HER would be what I would do for myself.

Used as an adjunctive therapy, I would, at first, double the dose shown on any bottle you coauld get over the counter. THEN, after a few months (when she is feeling a lot better), cut the dose in half for a few months to see if symptoms start coming back. If not, cut the dose again. Eventually, she will find out how much she needs to help the most with the least cost. The ONLY reason to cut the dose is to save money.

Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Herman Young on April 02, 1997 at 12:46:43:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on March 12, 1997 at 14:50:52:

I have had problems with my knees for the last 4 years. I am an athlete and compete in running and judo. Untill very recently I have been able to control the pain through self therapy. The pain has increased as I have increased my mileage as I run. Any help that you could give me would be appreciated. I am 5-11 and 220 lbs and am in good shape physically. I have tried new running shoes, different speeds, different distances...etc.Thank You in advance for your help.


glucosamine for horses

Posted by Richard Marks on April 06, 1997 at 17:04:36:

In Reply to: glucosamine posted by Martha Kent on November 28, 1996 at 20:07:59:

I'm interested about info on horses using glucosamine. Has anyone tried it on horses yet?

Thanx, Richard


Re: glucosamine for horses

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 07, 1997 at 11:53:07:

In Reply to: glucosamine for horses posted by Richard Marks on April 06, 1997 at 17:04:36:

Dear Richard,

Vets have been using glucosamine & chondroitin sulphate for animals for a number of years now. One of the things that is breaking down the resistance of the AMA to nutritional approaches like this IS the success in animals of this approach. There is a national Holistic Veterinarian Association where you could get a line on an advanced vet in your area that you could talk to . Please share what you learn with us here on the BB.

Contact the AHVMA in Bell Air, MD, at (410) 569-0795 or the International Veterinarian Acupuncture Society at (215) 827-7245. Contacting the American Veterinarian Chiropractic Association, at (309) 523-3995 would also get you started in the right direction.
Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Jeanne Beckett on April 08, 1997 at 17:51:52:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Herb Phillipson, Jr. on March 02, 1997 at 12:27:19:

My mother has artritis in her neck and was wary about taking NSAIDS due to my experience of getting an ulcer from them. Her internist told her to try glucosamine sulfate, 1.5g/day and chondroitin sulfate, 1.2g/day. After just 2 weeks she says she is 60% better, can turn her neck and has much less pain. I have begun the same regimen hoping to cut my relafin intake by half, for osteoarthritis in my knee. I have seen some studies, and them all use glucosamine. Is the chondroitin sulfate necessary? Also I read people with glaucoma should not take glucosamine, as well as people with some rare disorders.


Re: glucosamine

Posted by Dawn Laubenstein on April 10, 1997 at 07:37:46:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Herman Young on April 02, 1997 at 12:46:43:

I have been diagnosed with degenerative arthritis in my
right knee along with deteriorating cartilage. This is
due to a severe automobile accident 13 years ago. I am
not quite yet a candidate for surgery (thank goodness).
I have been taking NSAIDS for about 3 years now, trying
new ones as each one seems to loose it's effectiveness.

Having read "The Artritis Cure", and discussing it with
my rheumatologist, I decided to give it a try - along with
my current medication, Oruvail.

I started taking Solgar Glucosamine Chondroiton Complex
March 23, 1997. This contains both glucosamine sulfate,
chondrotin sultfalte, vitamin C and manganese.
I have also been following the steps outlined in the book,
i.e. diet, exercise, mental attitude, etc.

I have noticed a marked decrease in pain, 'locking-up',
as well as a marked increase in mobility. I haven't felt
this good in YEARS!




Re: glucosamine

Posted by Dawn Laubenstein on April 10, 1997 at 08:05:22:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Jeanne Beckett on April 08, 1997 at 17:51:52:

I have been diagnosed with degenerative arthritis in my right knee along with deteriorating cartilage. This was due to a severe automobile accident years ago. I am not yet a candidate for surgery (thank goodness). I have been taking NSAIDs for about 3 years now, trying new ones as each one seems to loose it's effectiveness. After reading and hearing about all the people who got ulcers after taking NSAIDs for years (since I was taking upwards to 1800 mg a day) I was rather concerned about this as well.

Having read "The Arthritis Cure", and discussing it with my rheumatologist, I decided to give it a try - along with my current medication, Oruvail (sustained release 200 mg/day). Following the steps outlined in the book, i.e., exercise, diet, mental attitude, etc., I started taking Solgar Glucosamine Chondroiton Complex March 23, 1997. This combo contains glucosamine sulfate, chondroitin sulfate, Vitamin C, and manganese, in the dosages recommended by Theodosakis.

I have noticed a marked decrease in pain, 'locking-up', as well as a marked increase in mobility and flexibility. I haven't felt this good in years!




Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 10, 1997 at 13:03:27:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Dawn Laubenstein on April 10, 1997 at 07:37:46:

Dear Dawn,

Thanks for your testimonial! There ARE alternatives out there that the public is not being offered since they are seen as competition to the allopathic paradigm.

Why did YOU have to learn about it & take that information to your "rheumatologist"? Is it not the function of a "specialist" in any discipline to keep up on all of the options available to his/her patients???? Isn't that why you pay the higher cost of seeing the "specialist"?

Walt

Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by John Wallencheck on April 15, 1997 at 01:21:17:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on February 12, 1997 at 10:12:31:

April 15, 1997

Walt, in several of your replies you mention your book but
I haven't seen you mention the title. What is it? Also,
what is your background and training? What is your profession?

Also, I'm not sure of whether you support or oppose the
idea of using glucosamine. What is your position on this matter,
exactly?

You mention a term, "allopathic" and another which I'v for-
gotten, in one of your posts, please define them for me if
you will. Thank you.

John





Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 15, 1997 at 12:21:11:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by John Wallencheck on April 15, 1997 at 01:21:17:

Dear John,

The significance of the term allopathic is well explained in my book. You can learn all about the book by looking at the first page of this website.

Glucosamine, along with chondroitin sulphate, has been used with great success in animals for many years. You should look into it. It is not the solution to arthritic problems but is a great & safe adjunctive treatment. The solution to arthritis is discussed in my book.


Look at my abbreviated CV on that same page for the answers to your other questions about my training & experience. I am a conventional MD with more than 30 years of training & experience in conventional & complementary medicine.

If you need any more information please do not hesitate to write again here on the BB.

Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Fred Yonley on April 15, 1997 at 22:11:30:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Dawn Laubenstein on April 10, 1997 at 08:05:22:

I also have some arthritis in my right knee which is behind the kneecap. I also have it behind the left knee, but it is not as bad. The right knee had bothered me after long walks and at varoius other times, but not severe. It pops at times. I decided to try Solgar Labs Glucosamine and Chondroitin complex as well. I have been taking about 3 a day for the last 10 days. In the past two days I have been noticing that my lips were getting increasing chapped. This morning I discovered a rash on my chin and some on both cheeks. I also have a rash on the left side of my neck and upper shoulder. I do not know if this supplement caused it, but that it about the only new thing that I have been taking except for some acidophilus capsules recently after taking antibiotics for two weeks. I only took those a few times. I called Solgar labs and asked them if there were any additives or if the main ingredients could cause such a reaction. I was told that the Glucosomine is from Shellfish and consists of Chitin. Chitin a ccording my dictionary is the principal component of crustacean shells. I am not allergic to seafood, but I do not eat the part that contains the chitin. Therefore I do not know why I would react to the Glucosomine. They mentioned Bovine in relation to the Chondroitin Sulfate. I guess that means it comes from a cow or something similar. Solgar labs phone # is 201-944-2311. I am going to a dermatologist tomorrow who just happened to have a cancellation or else I would be waiting a month or so. I am going to stay off the Gluco. until this problem is figured out. My knee was not twinging after several walks on Sunday whereas several weeks ago it would have. Perhaps I can reduce the dose down to one a day and not have the reaction. I'll post again when I know more.


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Posted by Fred Yonley on April 15, 1997 at 22:32:58:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Dawn Laubenstein on April 10, 1997 at 08:05:22:

In my previous post I neglected to mention that the lady at Solgar Labs said the only ingredients that might be considered a kind of additive were two things that act to bind the various substances together. I am having trouble reading my writing, but it looks like Silica and Vegetable magnesium. The dermatologist's nurse said that additives can cause allergic reactions. Hopefully I'll resolve this tomorrow.



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Posted by Fred Yonley on April 15, 1997 at 22:50:49:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Dawn Laubenstein on April 10, 1997 at 08:05:22:

I think I may have just undone my last two posts. Probably just as well. I had mentioned that I may be having a reaction to Solgar Labs Glucosamine and Chondroitim Complex. I am going to a dermatologist tomorrow and will know more then. I have a rash on my face and side of my neck and upper shoulder. I have been taking this complex for about 10 days with good success except for this recent development. I hope something else is causing the problem.


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Posted by David on April 16, 1997 at 11:17:25:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on February 12, 1997 at 10:17:32:

I just began doing my research into glucosamine today and just stumbled onto this board. My question (at least my first question) is regarding interactions. Do you know of any medications, vitamins, compounds, foods, etc. that have a negative reaction (of any degree) when used in concert with glucosamine (particularly glucosamine HCL)?
Thang-Q....David


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Posted by Toni on April 18, 1997 at 02:44:55:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on November 29, 1996 at 10:07:27:

I'm doing some research on glucosamine for my grandmother.
I have read through all of the questions and answers listed
and seeing a book mentioned. Could you please give me the
title and author. Also, any other book references.

Thank you Toni



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 18, 1997 at 08:37:50:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by David on April 16, 1997 at 11:17:25:

Dear David,

No.

One of the beauties of using substances normally present in the healthy body/mind, & only manipulating the amounts the body/mind has to work with, IS that they rarely (if ever) react unfavorably with ANY medications already found to be reasonably safe for human use. You would be wise to read some lay books about Orthomolecular Medicine. If that term is new to you, let me know so I can point you toward where you could learn about these principles.

Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 18, 1997 at 09:20:28:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Toni on April 18, 1997 at 02:44:55:

Dear Toni,

I am the author of that book: "Saving Yourself From the Disease-Care Crisis" & the particulars are listed on the first page of this website. The book was written precisely to offer a simple understanding of the basic mechanisms behind these chronic conditions so the person has a chance of actually resolving it. NO ONE has suggested that arthritis is caused by a deficiency of glucosamine! It is just another non-toxic & effective treatment for this kind of condition. The resolution of these kind of chronic conditions will NEVER be something you take but something you DO.

In the back of the book is an extensive "resources" section for those who need further information (after they know where to look by understanding the mechanisms in the book) so that they can find professional help in their area if needed.

If you have nay more questions please do not hesitate to ask.
Walt



Re: glucosamine

Posted by John Wallencheck on April 18, 1997 at 17:35:55:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on April 15, 1997 at 12:21:11:

Walt...

I did not access your website directly so I did not see anything
about your book. I did a search for glucosamine and wound up
reading all the references about this product and yours was
one of them. Consequently, when I asked my questions they
were not intended to imply that you did not have the knowledge
necessary to answer questions, but I was merely trying to
establish who you were. No critcism was implied.

At this point I still don't know the name of your book or where
to obtain it. Please enlighten me. Thank you.

John


Re: glucosamine

Posted by John Wallencheck on April 18, 1997 at 17:49:05:

In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on January 02, 1997 at 15:03:01:

Walt...

In your reply to Bonnie Tortora you mention that patients you
have seen with arthritis "have LGS". What is LGS? And how does
it impact on arthritis?

John


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