In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Duy Nguyen on March 12, 1997 at 02:51:39:
Can Glucosamine or Glucosamine sulfate help my 90 year old grandma. She has severe spinal curvature. I have been researching this but have found nothing to prove that it would help ostiopersois. could some one point me in the right direction.
thank you
Can this compound cause side effcts in women???
impotency; lack of feeling in the vaginal area since this is connective tissue???
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Les Wolf on August 19, 1997 at 13:59:48:
Dear Lee,
I had 5 degenerated discs before I learned that there were better ways to address this problem than taking pain pills & wearing a brace. Resolving this terrible problem so easily was one of the things that convinced me to become a complementary medical practitioner rather than continuing to try to force all my patients to resolve all their chronic conditions by our MD philosophy alone.
The resolution of this problem will never be something you TAKE but things you DO.
The first &, probably in the end, the most important thing you will have to do is learn an effective skilled relaxation technique & practice it at leasst 20 minutes twice a day. Even though you will see almost immediate results, the biggest results occur from accumulation of these benefits over 6-12 months. See my note about that by going to the home page link below.
It is unlikely that glucosamine would give you more than temporary relief but, what the heck, it couldn't hurt to give it a try. If it is not helping in a few weeks it probably isn't going to.
You will need to learn a lot about what is known about the causes of this condition to be able to figure out where you fit with all this. A very valuable way for you to get started on this road would be to read a copy of my new book. You can find out about that on my website too.
When you have more questions write again. As you get well, I hope you will take the time to share your experiences with the rest of us here on the BB. Others deserve to know that there are more options than you have been offered so far.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Jack Bivens on August 21, 1997 at 22:37:52:
Dear Jack,
I hope you will excuse my jumping in here but, from your note, it seems to me that you are still looking for something to TAKE that will resolve this for you. The resolution will have to be something you DO. That is not to say that you might not get some temporary relief from taking something.
The most important, single thing you can do is learn an effective skilled relaxation technique & practice it 20 minutes twice a day for the rest of your life--while you are dealing with the other causes in your case. See note about that on the home page of my website (linked below).
When you are interested in looking at the other causes, you would profit by reading a copy of my new book (see link at the bottom of this page).
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Raymond MESSIER on August 22, 1997 at 11:56:31:
Dear Raymond,
Probably. However, by themselves, the benefits are likely to be temporary. You need at least to seriously consider joining your local under water exercise classes & look forward to doing them at least 3 times a week for the rest of your life.
Ther are other factors that you need to learn about in your particular case but the best way to ascertain what they are is for yor to become the expert in your own case so knowledge can be specifically applied to YOU.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Suzie Bean on August 24, 1997 at 17:26:23:
Dear Suzie,
In my reading, combining glucosamine WITH chondroitin sulfate magnifies the benefits when cartilege damage is involved.
Walt
In Reply to: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by sanb on August 25, 1997 at 15:35:20:
Deaer sanb,
I have never heard of these side effects associated with glucosamine but you could get the word from the horse's mouth by calling (800) 692-9400.
Please share what you learn with the rest of us.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Duy Nguyen on March 12, 1997 at 02:51:39:
Am suffering from Lymes Arthritis in elbow, shoulder, and knees is the glucosamine / chondroitin a viable solution. Am cau/male, fifty, Lymes contracted three years ago undiagnosed until recently when first arthritis attacked
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Micheal on August 26, 1997 at 21:33:36:
Dear Michael,
Hope you don't mind me jumping in here. I would suggest you not continue to think of Lyme Disease as an isolated entity as our MD monopoly does in this country. If your immune reserves had been even reasonably "normal" You could not ever have contracted it in the first place.
We holistic types have been saying that for at least 10 years now. We predicted back then that soon there would be a lot more parasites recognized in the population for the same reason. You have seen that in the news recently (the E Coli scare is but one of them--E Coli IS a parasite, as is ALL bacterial & viral organisms). I'm sure you have read about the Giardia Scare & the other parasite scares in the news over the past few years. We also predicted that the Lyme organism would soon be joined by other organisms transmitted by the same vestor--not because they were new but because the general level of immunity continues to drop in the population while the environmental stresses continue to increase.
Just in th e past few months the CDC announced the discovery of 5 more "diseases" caused by similar organisms to the Lyme organism--transmitted by the tick bite--just like Lyme. Wonderful news for the medical profession, isn't it?
The reason I am going to the bother to tell you all this is that you really need to stop throwing yourself on the "mercy" of the present medical monopoly & start thinking for yourself.
If you get interested in doing that, feel free to write again & I can direct you to some simple references to get you started.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on July 07, 1997 at 10:48:19:
please could you tell me if it would be much better for me in the long run if I was to start taking Glucosamine instead of cod liver oil every day. I suffer from a very achey lower back, after visits to a Mctimoney chiropractor
I have not had much relief. Thankyou fiona.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Duy Nguyen on March 12, 1997 at 02:51:39:
i do not know if i am in your bulletin board if not please tell me how
to get there.
i need to know how many milligrams of glucosimine and chondrotin
is recommended for my weight 130 lbs for ostioarthritis. i don't know
if it is different for men and women. i am a woman
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by fiona on August 27, 1997 at 17:35:58:
Dear Fiona,
Why are you taking cod liver oil? It is toxic in the doses of fish oil you would need to help arthritis. The level of vitamin A in cod liver oil accumulates in the liver & gradually can produce exactly the symptoms you mention here.
This is why there are refined cold water fish oil capsules that contain omega 3s & none of the vitamin A.
How much have you taken & for how long? Look on the bottle & see how much vitamin A you have been getting.
What is the diagnosis for your low back soreness? ALL low back problems ultimately refer back to chronic muscle tension & the only long term solution for that is an effective skilled relaxation technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day. See my note about that on the home page of this website (link at the bottom of this page). Also, this is much more completely covered in my new book--also detailed on the website.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by waltstoll on August 28, 1997 at 10:34:46:
Dear Duy,
1500 Milligrams of the glucosamine & about 1200 Milligrams of the chondroitin daily is about right & should be taken in divided doses (twice a day is OK).
However, resolving arthritis will never be something you TAKE but something you DO. When you are ready to really get rid of this, get a copy of my book & then ask any questions you might have here on the BB. See the link at the bottom of this page.
As you get well, I would appreciate your taking the time to share your experiences with the BB. Others deserve to know that there are other options to suffering.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by melinda coffman on February 10, 1997 at 23:15:54:
Hi there melinda, I read your story and I would like to give you my opinion. I am a chiropractor in FL and from what you briefly said about your husband's situation I am very sympathetic to your situation. First, if in fact he has the disc degeneration I would recommend him to get off the cortizone shots. All that does is cover up the symptoms and does NOT address the actual cause or the sourse of the problem. I understand that it is the typical protocol by the allopathic approach but it will not work. You must address the cause of the problem and that is to prevent further damage and manage his immediate pain. I would suggest him to go visit a local chiropractor. Chiropractors are specialized doctors in the overall health of the human frame and body and dealing especially with the spinal column. Therefore, they will be able to address the problem your husband is facing with much better and effective methods. I do not want to go into details of how exactly that is done but a conservative and effective approa
ch is much better than unnecessary surgery. So find out all you can about the different choices you have for him. Glucosamine has been very effective with few of my patients with various joint problems. I would definitely recommend it for your husband and get him off those shots! yikes!!
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Melinda on August 29, 1997 at 23:25:02:
Dear Melinda,
I must agree with your comments & suggestions. The only reason why I did not suggest a good chiropractor is that, in my experience (considering the advanced stage of the problem) most chiropractors would be very hesitant to do any adjustments. They would have many other helpful (vitalistic) options--some of which I have already suggested.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by melinda coffman on February 10, 1997 at 23:15:54:
Shark cartilage is also very good for degenerative discs. People with cancer and tumors can also benefit from shark cartilage.
In Reply to: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by sanb on August 25, 1997 at 15:35:20:
Sanb,
Would'nt you like to use something that is clinically proven
to support healthy joint function and also carries a U.S. patent. In 20 years of use in Germany there as been NO reports of side effects in anyone. There isn't room to tell you about it here. I do have copies of several clinical studies that show the fantastic results of this product. Send your email address and I'll tell you more or send your snail mail address and I'll send you the reports and info about the product ASAP. My wife and I use it. It is awesome! Email me at thepope1@earthlink.net
Best Wishes, Larry
In Reply to: Glucosamine Sulfate side effects posted by John La Morgia on August 07, 1997 at 19:04:47:
John,
Would'nt you like your father to use something that is clinically proven to support healthy joint function and also carries a U.S. patent and an unconditional guarantee? In 20 years of use in Germany there have been NO reports of side effects in anyone. There isn't room to tell you about it here. I do have copies of several clinical studies that show the fantastic results of this product. Send your email address and I'll tell you more or send your snail mail address and I'll send you the reports and info about the product ASAP. My wife and I use it. It is awesome!
The same company that puts out the above product also has another food formula that was patented in 1988 that has
had incredible results with other problems of health in general. The results have been especially noticeable in older people. I have witnessed these changes in ourselves and others since we began using this in 1991.
Email me at thepope1@earthlink.net
Best Wishes, Larry
In Reply to: glucosamine posted by Martha Kent on November 28, 1996 at 20:07:59:
Dear Martha,
Would'nt you like to use something that is clinically proven to support healthy joint function and also carries a U.S. patent and an unconditional guarantee? In 20 years of use in Germany there have been NO reports of side effects in anyone. There isn't room to tell you about it here. I do have copies of several clinical studies that show the fantastic results of this product. Send your email address and I'll tell you more or send your snail mail address and I'll send you the reports and info about the product ASAP. My wife and I use it. It is awesome! The time to expect changes is as Dr Stoll said up to 3 months. Although, I have not seen results take that long with the use of this product.
The same company that puts out the above product also has another food formula that was patented in 1988 that had incredible results with many health problems including joint pain problems even before the above product was released in 1996. I have witnessed these results in my wife, friends and many ot
hers since 1991.
Email me at thepope1@earthlink.net
Best Wishes, Larry
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine and mad cow disease posted by Bruce on May 18, 1997 at 12:12:29:
I need some information about Mad cow disease. Could some one out there tell me something about it. I will check back here soon. By the way, the e-mail address means I dont have e-mail at my house.
Thanks, from BOOT
Is there a way to differentiate between tendonitis and bursitis of the shoulder. I injured my right shoulder raking on a landscape project (overuse) and have had troule lifting my arm above my head for 2 months. Anti-inflammatories don't seem to work, ice helps the pain and heat makes it worse. The pain is in the back part of the joint. Could it be rotator cuff problem? I have been taking glucosamine for my hands for 8 weeks and it has helped my hands, not my shoulder. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
In Reply to: tendonitis vs busitis posted by Barb Moore on September 03, 1997 at 12:53:18:
Dear Barb,
I don't think it matters what you call it when you are getting rid of the causes instead of just treating the symptoms. I know you are aiming for that or you wouldn't be on this BB.
From what little you have said so far, it sounds like a typical bursitis (subdeltoid).
If it were me, I would seek out a Certified Rolfer in my area & get a consultation. Call the Rolfing Institute at (800) 530-8875 for information about Rolfing AND the closest practitioner to you.
Then, as you improve, please share your experiences with us here on the bulletin board. I have not heard of glucosamine being used for something like this.
Once this is over, I would suggest your learning what things you could do to reduce your susceptibility to such an injury and the development of chronic symptoms.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Frances Burt on April 26, 1997 at 23:52:40:
Has there been an answer to Frances Burt's question of April 26th? re: chondroitin and Knox gelatin? What does gelatin (Knox or otherwise!) do for conditions that glucosamine/chondroitin are often used for? Does anyone know?
I am also curious what is the difference between glucsamine and glutamate?
Thank you.
In Reply to: Re: tendonitis vs busitis posted by Walt Stoll on September 04, 1997 at 13:45:43:
Dear Walt- Thanks for the suggestion. Although Ruby's suggestion got me back on track before I pursued the Rolfing idea, I have decided to follow your suggestion and seek out someone in that field, too.
I mentioned the glucosamine just to rule out arthritis since it has worked for me in my hands. My chiropractor also mentioned subdeltoid bursitis, so it looks like things are coming together for me. He also did some kind of electric stimulation of the muscles in the area. Today I am much improved and expect total relief soon. I intend to inquire about preventative measures after I'm healed. Thanks so much for running this bulletin board. You probably help more people than any five doctors in private practice.
Barb
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Dawn Laubenstein on April 10, 1997 at 07:37:46:
In mid July I started taking glucosamine/chondroitin. For twenty or more years I have had knee, back and some finger arthritis involvment with pain. In less than two weeks the pain disappeared, I walk better without limping, etc. In mid 'August I told my brother about the treatment because has severe knee and ankle arthritis due to a sky diving accident. He said he bought the Glucosamine/Chondrotin on Sunday afternoon, took a mega "dose" that night, and followed the prescribed routine Monday & Tuesday. He called Wednesday AM and told that for the first time in two years he was pain free in his lower extremeties.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by John Wallencheck on April 18, 1997 at 17:35:55:
Walt:
Please enlighten me on Shark Cartilage with Glucosamine. Will it releave ostea-arthritic pain for my 75 year old mother? She cannot walk anymore and is bed-ridden. What are the side effects and recommended dosage for this medication.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Leo Carter on September 10, 1997 at 11:45:53:
Dear Leo,
I appreciate your testimonial! Everyone should be asking "Why didn't MY doctor tell me that?" The reason is that ANYONE can recommend or sell these safe & effective substances. The physician gets nothing for recommending it. ALL approaches that do not fall within the monopoly of the MD is considered competition to the monopoly.
OIf course, that is the reason I felt I had to write my book. Personal experience of the effectiveness of many safe & inexpensive solutions for many chronic conditions has to raise the question above. In the end, that is the question that will finally break the monopoly which is the major cause of the disease-care crisis facing this country today.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine and mad cow disease posted by Bruce on May 18, 1997 at 12:12:29:
I have been trying to do a report on BSE, I hope this will help.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on April 22, 1997 at 13:18:12:
i have taken this conbo for about 6 day (6 PILLS A DAY WITH
good results. what cab I do now? more? less? same amouvt? seems veryexpensive in the commerciial form i found in supermarket.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by sunny on September 16, 1997 at 22:57:58:
Dear Sunny,
I would keep up your present, effective, dosage for a few weeks longer to be sure you don't have a relapse at that dose. Then, I would cut the dose in half for a few months to see if THAT is enough. By repeating this, you can eventually find at what dosage your symptoms recur & what your maintainance dose is.
Remember, I have repeated many times: "For chronic conditions like this, the solution will never be something you take but something you do."
These substances are but a more effective and safer "treatment" not a cure. You need to learn about your causes & what you can do to reduce your susceptibility to actually put this condition behind you in your life.
My book would be a good start in that direction.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on June 08, 1997 at 12:12:56:
I have started taking the two suppoiments about two weeks ago. Althugh I have suverly torn cartlage in my shoulders, and the pain keeps me awake at night as i can not lay on my side, because of the shoulder pain. I can see no relief in taking the medication as of yet.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine/Chondroitin Sulfate A side effects? posted by Stan S. on July 20, 1997 at 11:19:57:
I also am a 45 year old male. I have been taking 1500mg of Glucosamine and 1200mg of Chondroitin in a complex capsule. I have been on it now for about 7 weeks. After the first 3 or 4 weeks, I notice major improvement, allowing me to go a full 24 hours without pain medication. About the 6th week however, my muscles and joints are killing me. They are so sore that I cant sleep at night. During the day it is not as bad, but Im very sore. Not only my back, but my arms, fingers, neck, hips and legs. Prior to taking this, it was only my back, neck and hips that bothered me. Is this a problem with the Glocosamine and Chondroitin mix?
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by Larry Pope on September 02, 1997 at 01:32:36:
glucosamine chrondroitin will cause leaking gut syndrome
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Duy Nguyen on March 12, 1997 at 02:51:39:
this cause leakey gut syndrome. i have stopped taking and the symptoms are going away. is there anything as good as glucosamine chondroitin for pain.
In Reply to: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate Side Effects posted by mdailey on September 20, 1997 at 15:31:32:
Der mdaily,
This is the first I have heard this. I would greatly appreciate knowing the source of your information.
Remember, the vast majority of people with arthritis would not have their condition if they did not have LGS first. The natural conclusion of anyone with a narrow allopathic education would be: If the person had arthritis, & was taking glucosamine, & was found to have LGS, that the glucosamine probably caused the LGS. Pretty simplistic but that is the way we MDs think.
The same thinking has been applied to GI symptoms associated with NSAIDS arthritics take for their arthritic symptoms. A careful evaluation of these people show that they had most of their GI symptoms PRIOR to their taking the NSAIDS. The NSAIDS just made them worse. I know that NSAIDS DO aggravate the GI tract. However, the GI symptoms that they had before taking the NSAIDS were related to the fact that they had LGS first. The aggravation of the LGS, by the NSAIDS, only makes the LGS worse so the person has more trouble twith the arthritis--& so take more NSAIDS.
The same thing MAY be true of glucosamine. However, it would have to be causing the problem for a different reason than the way NSAIDS do it. I would be interested if there is a demonstrable mechanism causing this.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine & chondroitin posted by mdailey on September 20, 1997 at 15:41:08:
Dear mdailey,
Remember, glucosamine is NOT a pain pill. NSAIDS are pain pills. That is why NSAIDS work for any kind of pain & glucosamine seems to only help pain of the skeletal system.
Walt
In Reply to: glucosamine posted by Martha Kent on November 28, 1996 at 20:07:59:
In Australia I can only buy glucosamine HCI. This is marketed by Orthoplex. Can anyone tell me if this is the same as glucosamine sulphate?
In Reply to: glucosamine posted by Martha Kent on November 28, 1996 at 20:07:59:
In Australia I can only buy glucosamine HCI. This is marketed by Orthoplex. Can anyone tell me if this is the same as glucosamine sulphate?
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Ann on September 23, 1997 at 02:45:04:
Dear Ann,
Probably no significant difference. Call & ask your veterinarian. They have had a lot more experience than anyone else with this.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on July 19, 1997 at 11:07:52:
Hi Dr Stoll,
Have you every seen any interactions between
glucosamine and diabetic patients or patients with a
history of kidney stones?
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine side effects posted by Barry Carpenter on May 01, 1997 at 19:41:56:
I'm a pharmacy student in Quebec and I recently had
a case of diabetes unbalanced in a patient treated
with glucosamine for arthritic pain... It's molecular
structure closely (very!!!) resembles that of sugar
could there be a link????
Thanks...
Phil.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Jim on September 23, 1997 at 12:57:55:
Dear Jim,
No I have not. However, I would suggest you call (800) 692-9400 to get a better answer.
Please share what you learn with the rest of us here on the BB.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Walt Stoll on September 17, 1997 at 11:47:52:
I am a 58 yr. old female who has had 3 arthoscopic surgeries. My cartlage in both knees is not healthy and my doctor tells that I am walking bone on bone in knees. I have been told I am facing knee replacements and both knees will be done at once. My last arthoscopic surgery was Feb 11, 1997.I started on glucosamine chondrotin complex from Solgar Laboratories. I have been taking this for 7 months. I have really never believed in alternative medicine. However, I have had much less pain and can walk much more easily. I do water aerobics and wear heavily padded tennis shoes to avoid painful impact with floor.I am not sure it is the glucosamine that is helping me but will continue to take it as I am able to walk with little pain. I miss my tennis and aerobics but have found other ways to exercise. Would an x-ray show if I am regenerating cartlage? Have others seen improvement with this treatment?
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine chondroitin posted by Judy Zinn on September 25, 1997 at 22:48:03:
Der Judy,
Congratulations on your progress. Remember, glucosamine is not a pain pill. The only way it can work for what you have is to actually be replacing cartilege. There is no way that you can be certain that your present improvement is due to the glucosamine/chondroitin. However, if you have changed nothing else, it is only reasonable. Your condition is precisely the one for which this approach seems to work the best.
All you need is a few cells thickness of cartilege to reduce your symptoms. It would take years to show up on scans as a widening of the joint space. As your symptoms improve, any physician who continues to urge surgery of this magnitude is one who can do without you as a patient.
If I were you, I would take this time of relative improvement to learn ALL of your options for improving this situation since you cannot afford ANY further deterioration. My book would be a good place to start.
Your decision to do the under water exercises (&, unfortunately give up the fun weight bearing sports) is a VERY good one & I urge you to continue it.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Dawn Laubenstein on April 10, 1997 at 07:37:46:
For over one month now I have problem walking more than a few minutes at a time. The doctor told me I had a bursitis on my left hip. He gave me samples of ORUVAIL and 6 Physical Therapy treatments. THe ORUVAIL seemed to work but my insurance does not cover this medication.
I am now taking SULINDAC 200 mg. It doesnt seem to help much. I heard about Glucosamine, could it help a bursitis? If so, can I take it with the SULINDAC?
Thank you.
In Reply to: Re: glucosamine posted by Huguette Breault on September 27, 1997 at 21:46:32:
Dear Huguette,
I hope you don't mind my butting in here.
How old are you? What do you think precipitated the bursitis?
This is an unusual place for bursitis which is why I am asking. I would seriously doubt that the glucosamine would help much here (just as I doubt that the other things you mentioned would help either). It is likely that everyone concerned is going to have to look into WHY you have this before much will help resolve it--as well as prevent the next episode once this one clears up.
Walt