Dr.
Here comes a strange one (from my point of view)
Four years ago I was diagonsed with hypothyroidism. I was put on synthroid and was doing fine... One year later we moved and with a new Dr. he ran all the tests and said I could cut back on the synthroid. So... in about six months I was off it compleatly. 7 weeks ago I delivered twins and part of the blood work came back abnormal... When all the tests were done I now have a Hyper thyroid... How can this be... ( I'am in the process of finding a specialist) Can you name some reference material so I can look up and understand the why of this? Thankyou Kris
In Reply to: thyroid posted by KJ Lamb on July 13, 1998 at 14:15:07:
Dedar Kris,
You need a copy of My book (link on this page) and, THEN, if you really want to get into this deeply (before you come up with something more serious), you need to read one of the references in the back of my book: "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier.
THEN, if you still have questions, write again.
Walt
My sister has been recently diagnosed with Graves Disease and I'm trying to convince her to consider changing her diet to a whole foods orientation (among other things, I'm on a whole foods diet for RA and am having very good results to date), but I'm anticipating some resistance. My sister is in her early 40s and is also overweight. Can those of you who have been successful in treating Graves Disease in this manner post your story? It would be greatly appreciated...
In Reply to: Graves Disease Success Testimonials posted by Joseph Hackett on July 14, 1998 at 11:18:12:
Dear Joe,
Remember, as much as you love your sister, the best you can do is open doors for her--------SHE is going to have to walk through them. Perhaps, when she has suffered enough???
By the way, BY FAR the most important thing for ANYONE with any thyroid condition is NOT diet but the regular practice of skilled relaxation. From what you say, she is not likely to look kindly on THAT suggestion either.
IF she is even willing to learn something, you could get her the most recent edition of "MInd as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier. Tell her it was written about her--
since it was. if she does not recognize herself in these pages, she has not seriously read the book.
If THAT is the case, just love her the way she is now and as the person (worsening health) she is becoming. We cannot save the world that does not want saving.
Good luck! If I can be of more help, let me know. However, there is no point in both of us wasting our time.
By the way, although diet is more important for RA than it is for thyroid, at least the second most important thing for RA people is ALSO the skilled ralaxation.
Walt
My wife has had Graves' disease for 7 years. At first she was treated by a homeopath. She got better, but then she worse after some stressful situation, and had not gotten better with homeopathy since then. She tried acupuncture treatments for a year and that did not help much. So, she finally started taking PTU. Later she tried acupuncture and Chinese herbs again and this time she slowly got her thyroxin down to a normal level (after being off PTU for a year and a half). Unfortunately, a couple months ago she got worse again, and the latest blood test showed very high thyroxin level. Now she wants to get thyroidectomy because she is tired of dealing with this problem, unless she gets an assurance that this problem can be taken care of permanently without surgery or RAI. She is 27 and would like to have children soon.
Any suggestions or success stories that can give her hopes?
In Reply to: Graves' disease relapse posted by Aman Tandias on July 20, 1998 at 13:25:59:
Dear Aman,
This story is a GREAT example of what I have been talking about here on this BB, for years. NONE of the treatments you mentioned had anything to do with WHY she had it so, OF COURSE, it came back over & over.
There is one book that was written specifically about her and it is available in a new edition: "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier. It is available in any bookstore. You both need to read it.
THEN, when you are ready to DO something about this, read a copy of my book (link on this page). You both should not consider a pregnancy till 2 years after this is resolved by getting rid of the causes. That means that there is one more reference for you both to read: "Every Woman's Book" by Paavo Airola, ND (also available in a recent printing). Everyone should read this book at least 2 years prior to conception!
When you are ready, and have more questions, write again. In the meantime use the link:
archives and read everything you can find about any thyroid condition since they are all caused by the same basic mechanisms.
Walt
Walt,
It seems as though one of my greatest opponents regarding treating acne with a "Wellness Program" and the use of Accutane has been diagnosed with Graves Disease.
I don't know much about it,... I did research the board and I'm led to believe that.....There's a STRONG connection isn't there???
I'd hate to say I told you so.... and I highly doubt that even this would sway his mind (he's a Med student).
Can I guess your answer....... Acne was a way for his body to mildly tell him there was a problem. Graves Disease is the next "signal"...... who knows whats next.
....... I think some of the most stress I encounter right now is trying to spread the good word and running into people who say Wellness programs are "Quackery"
PEACE
In Reply to: ACNE >>>>> GRAVES DISEASE posted by Steve on July 21, 1998 at 17:14:14:
Perhaps your friend will agree that every action (or inaction) has consequences. Sounds like no need to say "I told you so" since the universe is punishing him enough.
Bill
In Reply to: ACNE >>>>> GRAVES DISEASE posted by Steve on July 21, 1998 at 17:14:14:
Deara Steve,
The curernt agony of the "professional" (in which group I would list the medical student as one of the most helpless) to shift gears into the 21st century of health care thinking is a good example of "the survival of the fittest", Our environment is letting fewer & fewer of us get away with living the ignorance of the last century. Physicians (especially medical students) will be the last to change.
Acne persisting past puberty is one of the first certain indications of endocrinopathy. The best preventive AND treatment is "wellness". Graves Disease is one of the results of not heeding that early warning (a classically advanced endocrinopathy). It is just a louder message. If this omnicient being had rid himself of his acne through wellness there is NO chance that he would have Graves today. He can still stop this with wellness but, if he chooses to stay ignorant, he has a sad future.
Perhaps it would be best, if he would sooner die than learn something new, for him to become too sick to practice medicine, After all he would be one of those who will insist on treating his patients with the failed paradigm of the 20th century. If he wants to suffer, there is little either of us can do to stop that. The shame is that he would make a good living giving his patients such poor advice.
This is one reason I hate to see people "cut the wires to the doorbell" by finding an effective TREATMENT for their acne so they do not have to do something about the causes by practicing wellness.
"You can lead a mule to water, but you can't make it drink!"
Walt
In Reply to: ACNE >>>>> GRAVES DISEASE posted by Steve on July 21, 1998 at 17:14:14:
Steve,
"Acne was a way for his body to mildly tell him there was a problem. Graves Disease is the next 'signal'...... who knows whats next..."
Not so tough to figure actually. The Graves was preceded by constipation and/or respiratory difficulties and will be followed by cardiac irregularities, pernicious anemia, impotence or any of a host of neoplastic diseases. This is assuming that he continues with suppressive therapy rather than supportive and regenerative therapy.
Look for the an abridged version (in English) of the book, "Homotoxicology, Illness and Healing through Anti-homotoxic Therapy" by Hans-Heinrich Reckeweg. In it you will find a chart, "Table of Homotoxicosis." It will outline the symptoms accompanying the progression or reversal of disease through the various stages.
Fascinating, really, I first saw it in German in about '83.
The books are only available to healthcare professionals but maybe you can get a doc to order it for you. I should warn you that it is not easy reading (in more ways than one). The link below is to Menaco Publishing.
Dr. B.
http://DirectLab.com
http://HealthChoice.net
In Reply to: Re: ACNE >>>>> GRAVES DISEASE posted by Walt Stoll on July 22, 1998 at 15:01:58:
In Reply to: Re: ACNE >>>>> GRAVES DISEASE posted by Walt Stoll on July 22, 1998 at 15:01:58:
Walt,
This was his reply to some information I sent him......
Do you even have to read it....LOL
>>>> On the contrary, I appreciate you taking the time to send me this. However, in my opinion, acne and Grave's are not related. Grave's is an autoimmune disease in which the body's killer cells turn on its own thyroid. This condition runs in families and although 1 in 10 are born with an immune system predisposed to Grave's, only 1 in 10 of these people will actually develop the condition.
Although you are right somewhat. Severe and prolonged stress has been linked to an onset of Grave's. However, this is only in those who have the genetic makeup.
Acne may be worsened by severe stress but it is certainly nor brought on by it. Furthermore, there are many laid back and calm people who suffer from cystic acne.
>>>>>>>>>>>
Walt their rally cry is..."Acne is a disease you are born with"
Thanks.....Steve
In Reply to: Re: ACNE >>>>> GRAVES DISEASE posted by Dr. B. on July 22, 1998 at 17:12:06:
Thanks, Dr B.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate another professional out there that knows how this stuff works.
Namaste` Walt
In Reply to: Re: ACNE >>>>> GRAVES DISEASE posted by steve on July 23, 1998 at 08:50:46:
Thanks, Steve.
As you say: "Do I even have to read it."
There are plenty of people ready to get well so I do not need to waste my time on those who are not.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: ACNE >>>>> GRAVES DISEASE posted by Walt Stoll on July 22, 1998 at 15:01:58:
I am reading about the acne and Graves Disease... Ok, exactly what is the "Wellness Program" that can help the acne and prevent the Graves disease?
In Reply to: Re: ACNE >>>>> GRAVES DISEASE posted by Dan on July 26, 1998 at 13:39:46:
Dear Dan,
ANY vitalistic healing philosophy in the world will tell you the same thing regarding wellness. There are 3 main things: a whole foods diet, regular practice of some form of skilled relaxation and regular exercise.
This can be specifically tailored to the needs of the individual by a knowledgable professional but most people can do it on their own just by learning.
Go to the FAQ link on this page & read about "How to be Healthy" then read the appropriate references that you need.
My book has an entire section in it about this WITH the references. You can go to the library & just ask the librarian for introductory books on "wellness".
In this day & age, it is difficult NOT to learn about wellness.
Walt
Dr. Stoll,
I posted back on June 14th in reference to the above conditions. I have read "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" as well as your book. Now I have a few questions.
1. The endocrinologist put me back on Synthroid but at a much lower dosage. I theorized that since I still have part of my thyroid left (90% was removed), that if I was on a much lower dose possibly the remaining thyroid tissue would start functioning again (eventually), and if I was on a dose that put me almost in the hypo range, my thyroid would then function when more thyroxine was needed by my body, and I would be closer to getting the normal fluctuations of thyroxine daily, just as someone that has a normal functioning thyroid. The endocrinologist said he had never thought of trying it with anyone, but that maybe I was on to something. What is your opinion? Do you think my theory may be correct?
2. The endo said that thyroxine is not just in the blood, but is also stored in the muscles. Since I was in the hyper range for so long, he said that it will take months for the extra thyroxine to get out of my muscles, and therefore, I should not exercise for some months. Does this sound right to you?
3. The endo said that the storage of thyroxine in my muscles is the reason why I have so much muscle tension. I thought I just needed more magnesium. I am taking 800 mg. magnesium every morning, but haven't noticed any difference. Do you think magnesium injections (as mentioned in your book) would be beneficial for me, or is it the thyroxine that is causing the problem? Even if the thyroxine is the problem, could magnesium injections maybe "help things along?"
4. From reading your book, I have pretty much figured out that I have LGS and C-RS. What do you think of using Difulcan while I am waiting for the meditation and diet change to work?
5. I have recently read that NADH, 10 mg./day, can be an effective treatment for chronic fatigue. I don't believe it is "the answer," but could it possibly compliment the meditation and whole foods diet in treating this condition?
6. I also have fibrocystic breast disease. If I were to use Lugol's solution, what affect would that have on what is left of my thyroid? (I was given Lugol's before my thyroidectomy, and I thought it was to further suppress thyroid function prior to surgery).
Sorry I have so many questions, but both books were mind expanding and really woke up the analytical side of me. I really want to thank you for writing such a wonderful book. I'm glad I ordered extra copies so I can pass them around. By the way, I live in the Washington DC area, and I couldn't find your book anywhere. In fact, Border's couldn't even order it in for me. If ever there was an area that needed this book, it is this area. I was glad that I could mail order it, but this book needs to be in the bookstores in this area - desperately.
Bless you,
Sara
In Reply to: Questions - Re: Thyrotoxicosis and Chronic Fatigue posted by Sara on July 29, 1998 at 13:07:47:
Check out the urea and Krebs cycle. There is an impairment in essential ATP production. There is a test (any amino acid test) which will show deficiences. Try MetaMetrix, Inc. They have an interesting page. Get your doctor to test you. Spread the word.
In Reply to: Questions - Re: Thyrotoxicosis and Chronic Fatigue posted by Sara on July 29, 1998 at 13:07:47:
Dear Sara,
I get orders for my book from bookstores all over the country nearly daily. I have no idea why YOUR bookstores say they cannot get it. It is likely that they just are not willing to order single copies. Without a distributor to detail them for me, they are not likely to be interested in carrying an "unknown's" publication.
Now to your questions. I will address them in order:
1. So long as you are doing the skilled relaxation, exercise & healthy diet, your theory is a valid way of possibly hastening the healing process. I would be afraid to do it with only the medication alteration. Keep in touch with your conventional doc. Not only does s/he sound like s/he has an open mind but you may be able to help others of his/her patients with similar conditions as s/he sees YOU get well.
2. I agree with your endo, so far as s/he goes. I would not take up weight lifting or aerobic exercise for a few months. Anything you are already doing is OK though. If you take up anything new, I think it should be no more vigorous than walking 2-3 miles per hour for an hour.
3. I disagree that the thyroxine has anything to do with the muscle tension. One of the problems with untrained "observation" by professionals is that of a well known error of association (so well known that there is even a latin phrase for it--which I don't recall right now). Maybe: "Ipso hoc, ergo propter hoc." It means something like: because this is here with that, it is causing that.
Anyhow, just because your endo has frequently observed the muscle tension with elevated thyroxine is no proof that they are in any way causative of each other. The fact is that they both are caused by the overloaded hypothalamus (chronic fight or flight) which causes bracing of the muscles and the endocrinological effect of hyperthyroidism.
Dealing with the cause gets rid of both effects so s/he would observe the tension gong away as the thyroxine reduces. Who is to blame him/her for not understanding the deeper relationship?
The magnesium could not hurt you & very likely would be an adjunctive help for the muscle problem.
4. Diflucan should be a last resort &, in MY opinion, should not be used till at least the LGS is gone. If you want to use something right now, which MIGHT help some of your symptoms--and not risk any additional symptoms--I would use pure Nystatin Powder USP, at 750,000 units 4 times a day on an empty stomach and sloshed around in the mouth a few miinutes each time. You would need a knowledgable C-RS practitioner in your area to order that for you (or prescribe that).
5. I am not familiar with NADH. It probably IS something I know about but has been renamed. When we MDs ran out of things to name we started renaming the things that already HAD names (sigh).
6. The purpose of preoperative Lugols IS to prevent "thyroid storm" during physical manipulation of the thyroid during surgery. I would be very hesitant to use it now because it would be impossible to predict how your system would react AND would make it almost impossible for your doc to follow any lab tests for you.
Wait till this has been over for about 6-12 months and then the Lugols could be used safely & effectively. However, you will likely find that doing the other things would have the breast lumps resolved before that anyhow.
More?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Questions - Re: Thyrotoxicosis and Chronic Fatigue posted by Walt Stoll on July 30, 1998 at 12:56:42:
Dr. Stoll,
More? No, no more questions for now. I like that, you have a sense of humor (or you got really annoyed at all my questions)!
I really appreciate your help, and will keep you posted on my progress. I plan to make an appointment for biofeedback, just to make sure I am reaching the theta state. I read your responses further down concerning diet, and will get the book on whole foods before I embark on anything new. And I'm not doing ANY exercise right now, which I know is not good, but I don't feel that walking would hurt, regardless of what the endo said.
NADH is coenzyme 1. Georgetown did a study on it for Chronic Fatigue and had good results, hence my interest in it.
As far as the availability of your book goes, I'm sure they just didn't feel inclined to order it. There prevails a fair degree of laziness in the DC area. I just think it's sad; it could benefit many.
Once again, thank you so much for your help.
Be well,
Sara
In Reply to: Re: Questions - Re: Thyrotoxicosis and Chronic Fatigue posted by Sara on July 30, 1998 at 16:03:56:
Hi, Sara,
CoEnzyme what? There are MANY coenzymes. CoEnzyme Q10 is the one I have seen used for CFS.
I appreciate your questions. So long as they are asked on the BB, many others can benefit from the exchange. Also,one of the tricks of "seeing the forest for the trees", which is needed for a holistic perspective, is that the more trees, the more it looks like a forest.
I agree with you about the walking.
Is that making sense to you?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Questions - Re: Thyrotoxicosis and Chronic Fatigue posted by Walt Stoll on July 31, 1998 at 11:12:06:
Dr. Stoll,
It's CoEnzyme 1, B-nicotinadmid adenine dinucleotide.
I have been taking CoEnzyme Q10 for some time.
Your writing can be a bit esoteric at times, but what you're saying NOW is making sense to me. I may not be a genius, but I'm not dense.
Sara
In Reply to: CoEnzyme what? posted by Sara on July 31, 1998 at 16:40:43:
Dr. Stoll,
Sorry about my last remark; having a bad day. Maybe trying to absorb too much information and change too many things all at the same time. Didn't mean to take it out on you by getting snotty. You've been nothing but helpful to me, and I do appreciate it.
I do have problems following what you are saying sometimes though, so I guess your last post hit a nerve, and I got defensive. Still having major problems with comprehension/confusion, and it's really depressing at times. Up until a week ago, I was in a very detail-oriented job, and had been very good at it at one time. I had to quit because of my health, specifically because of what it's done to my comprehension and my ability to concentrate, not to mention the chronic fatigue.
I just want to feel normal again, and my patience is growing thin. I'm so sorry.
Sara