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Headache just won't quit!!

Posted by Michele on November 19, 1998 at 19:42:56:

Hello...
Dr. Stoll (or anyone else), I am about at my wits end because I have had a non-stop headache for about 3 weeks. Nothing is helping it! It hurts between my eyebrows and a little above that, and in my cheekbone area as well. I had a nasty cold that developed into sinusitis (green discharge, fever, pain). I took the esterified vit. C regimin for a week, at my tolerance level. I have taken over the counter stuff. And I took penicillin for a week as a last resort at a conventional dr's recommendation. I have also been practicing skilled relaxation, but only for a few weeks. In particular, I've been mainly focusing on the sinus exercise in the Relaxation and Stress Reduction wkbk. The weird thing is, the discharge is gone and my nose isn't stuffed--so why the terrible pain still? And any more ideas as to how to get rid of it? Thanks again.


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Re: Headache just won't quit!!

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on November 19, 1998 at 22:52:42:

In Reply to: Headache just won't quit!! posted by Michele on November 19, 1998 at 19:42:56:

The main focus should first be a correct diagnosis of what type of headache you are having. Cervicogenic, tension-type, migrane, etc.. all have particular routes of treatment. I, of course, would see a chiropractor to help determine the cause of the headaces since you seem to have persued the conventional route which appears to have refused the idea that the pain could be from anything besides your recent infection.

Here are a few excerpts from studies that I have handy. Best wishes!

*Results: The use of analgesics decreased by 36% in the manipulation group,
but was unchanged in the soft tissue group; this
difference was statistically significant (p = .04, chi-square for trend).
The number of headache hours per day decreased by
69% in the manipulation group, compared to 37% in the soft tissue group;
this was significant at p = .03 (Mann-Whitney).
Finally, headache intensity per episode decreased by 36% in the manipulation
group, compared to 17% in the soft tissue
group; this was significant at p = .04 (Mann-Whitney).

Conclusion: Spinal manipulation has a significant positive effect in cases
of cervicogenic headache. (J Manipulative Phys Ther
1997; 20: 000-000)


*RESULTS: Of nine studies of manipulation for tension-type headaches that reported quantitative
outcomes, four were randomized clinical trials and five were case series designs. These studies
reported on 729 subjects, 613 of whom received manipulation. Outcomes ranged from good to
excellent. Manipulation seems to be better than no treatment, some types of mobilization and ice,
and it seems to be equivalent to amitriptyline but with greater durability of effect than this
medication. Of three studies on migraine, only one was a randomized clinical trial. These studies
reported on 202 subjects, 156 of whom received manipulation. The outcomes ranged from fair to
very good.
Vernon HT. The effectiveness of chiropractic manipulation in the treatment of headache: an exploration in the literature. J Manipulative Physiol Ther
18 (9): 611-617 (Nov 1995)


*Results: Clinically important improvement was observed in both primary and secondary outcomes in all three study groups
over time. The reduction in headache index scores during treatment compared to baseline was 49% for amitriptyline, 40% for
spinal manipulation, and 41% for the combined group; P=0.66. During the post-treatment follow-up period the reduction from
baseline was 24% for amitriptyline, 42% for spinal manipulation, and 25% for the combined group; P=0.05.
Conclusion: There was no advantage to combining amitriptyline and spinal manipulation for the treatment of migraine
headache. Spinal manipulation appeared to be as effective as a well-established and efficacious treatment (amitriptyline), and
on the basis of a benign side effects profile, should be considered a treatment option for patients with frequent migraine
headaches. This study was funded by research grant #92-03-06 from the Foundation for Chiropractic Education and
Research. (J Manipulative Physiol Ther 1998; 21:511-519)




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Re: Headache just won't quit!!

Posted by Michele on November 20, 1998 at 12:45:19:

In Reply to: Re: Headache just won't quit!! posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on November 19, 1998 at 22:52:42:

Thank you, Dr. Ferguson, for your response. Now why didn't I think of that??? I used to go to a chiropractor on a regular basis but haven't been in about 3 years. I was so hung up on treating the sinus condition--I didn't even think of chiropractic care as being able to help. I'll consult my checkbook and see what I can do. Thanks again.



Re: Headache just won't quit!!

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 20, 1998 at 14:59:13:

In Reply to: Headache just won't quit!! posted by Michele on November 19, 1998 at 19:42:56:

Dear Michele,

I will bet thar you have a habit of allowing your teeth to touch when you are relaxed. Let me know. If you are. look at the stuff on the homepage for this 'site about TMJ. You might also look up TMJ in the archives.

Walt




I have something for you to try....

Posted by trish on November 20, 1998 at 16:27:41:

In Reply to: Headache just won't quit!! posted by Michele on November 19, 1998 at 19:42:56:

it may sound wierd, but, my aromatherapist recommended this to me when I was suffering from a sinus FUNGAL infection (something else for you to consider!) it went on for weeks and I could not tolerate the decongestant my (former)ENT told me to use...

This worked great for me, it's non-toxic (well the honey isn't recommended for candida, but when you're in that kind of pain....)

Here goes:
1 teaspoon ground ginger
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1 teaspoon honey
enough fresh ginger juice to make a paste with the above ingredients.

(I used my garlic press to squeeze the juice out of small chunks of ginger)

mix well into a dark brown muddy paste and EAT up!!! It burns a bit, and your eyes might water, but your headache will be gone in 1/2 hour or so, and honestly, knowing the relief I would feel, I started to like the taste! :-)

my friends an family gave me all kinds of grief about this "magic voodoo potion," but as usual, I ignored them!!!

Everyone who has tried this says it helps. I hope it will bring you relief. Please let me know if you try it. It's an ayurvedic formula from what I understand..

feel better,
trish




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Re: Headache just won't quit!!

Posted by Michele on November 20, 1998 at 16:54:36:

In Reply to: Headache just won't quit!! posted by Michele on November 19, 1998 at 19:42:56:

Thank you both for your suggestions! I will, gulp, try the "voodoo potion" and gulp, the eraser suggestion and get back to you with results. Hmmm, do I keep my teeth together when relaxed? I don't think so, but as soon as I think about it I probably pull my teeth apart if they are together! I do have a lot of jaw tension though, so maybe I AM treating the wrong problem, Dr. Stoll. And Trish, I will try the stinky potion cause even if it isn't a sinus problem this time, that is my most constant complaint as far as my health is concerned. Namaste!


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Re: I have something for you to try....

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 21, 1998 at 08:57:39:

In Reply to: I have something for you to try.... posted by trish on November 20, 1998 at 16:27:41:

Dear trish,

I am in favor of ANYTHING safe that works. There may be some magical combination in this potion that gets rid of headaches.

However, ANYTHING that serves to distract the sufferer from focusing on the headache is likely to work as well.

I learned that at a meeting where Norman Shealy, MD was lecturing. To demonstrate the point, I will give this example: Get into as relaxed a state as it is possible with a blinding headache. Then give the headache a flavor. Once that is firmly established in your mind, give it a sound. THEN, a shape, an odor, a length, a color, a frequency, an age, a sex, a weight, a cost, etc. I have yet to see anyone get to the 10th characterization without the headache being gone.

It is similar to when someone is "fainting". If you can get their mind off the fainting, they will not faint. This is really the mechanism of using the ammonia perles under the nose. They smell so bad that the person stops focussing inside (the cause of fainting) and has to focus outside---the solution to fainting.

This might be the reason this works. Who cares why it works? It is a lot safer & cheaper than running to the emergency room or taking lots of prescription drugs.

Can you imagine any strictly conventional physician recommending this? Once one tries it & finds that it works, they can spread the word to all their friends, relatives & neighbors. What will the "poor" doctor do for an income then?

Walt



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Re: Headache just won't quit!!

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 21, 1998 at 09:09:18:

In Reply to: Re: Headache just won't quit!! posted by Michele on November 20, 1998 at 16:54:36:

Michele,

You have to "catch" yourself at letting your teeth touch. If you already know that you have "jaw tension" you ARE doing it AND this is the cause of your symptoms------also, probably the cause of the sinus condition as well.

Go to the archives & read everything you can find about TMJ and the resultant plagiocephaly.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

If you have tried the eraser trick by then, you will already know that that helps.

Walt




Confirmation of Recipe

Posted by Antonio on November 21, 1998 at 22:45:02:

In Reply to: I have something for you to try.... posted by trish on November 20, 1998 at 16:27:41:

Buenos dias Trish:

I know someone who could use your potion.

Could you confirm that the person is supposed to eat the whole thing (i.e. 1 teaspoon of each of your ingrediendts + the ginger juice to make the paste) is ONLY ONE "dosis".

If the headache comes back later (or the next day) is it OK to repeat another "dosis"?

Take care,

Antonio



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Re: I have something for you to try....

Posted by Robin Pollan on November 22, 1998 at 13:35:34:

In Reply to: Re: I have something for you to try.... posted by Walt Stoll on November 21, 1998 at 08:57:39:

I bet this would work wonderfully for the hiccups!!



Re: Confirmation of Recipe

Posted by trish on November 24, 1998 at 18:00:33:

In Reply to: Confirmation of Recipe posted by Antonio on November 21, 1998 at 22:45:02:

Hola, mi amigo,

In case you didn't see my response before the board crashed... You should try to take the entire recipe. The woman who gave it to me said eat as much of it as you can. Of course, I was in so much pain at the time that I ate all of it. It worked great.

I suggest that if you're not used to strong spices, you might want to take this with food since it could upset your stomach. Also, if your stomach can't handle it at first, it seems like the more you use it, the better you can tolerate that part of it. I started mixing it a bit thinner, with a lot of fresh ginger juice, since I felt that that was the most "active" ingredient, but it's a lot hotter that way, so you might want to ease into that!

And, yes, it's okay to take it as often as you need to! That's part of the beauty of this - I was taking the whole dose 4 times a day (sometimes I'd even get up at night and mix some up) when my sinus was at its worst!

By the way, that's what this is for - sinus headache. It actually stimulates mucus production so the new, thinner mucus helps you to flush out the thicker, dry stuff that's causing all the pressure and pain. You will find yourself having to blow your nose a few times.

I hope this helps, Antonio. Please let me know how this works for your friend - I am curious to see if it helps others as much as it helped me.

Adios!
trish


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Gracias Trish. Happy Thanksgiving NMI

Posted by Antonio on November 24, 1998 at 21:42:15:

In Reply to: Re: Confirmation of Recipe posted by trish on November 24, 1998 at 18:00:33:






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