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Dr. Stoll, I know you're no STD Specialist, but maybe you have friends that are that you could ask for me. Okay, I have the disease and was diagnosed with it on October 18th of this year. I believe I contracted it in September because that's the month I lost my virginity in. Anyway, lately, everytime I have my menstrual cycle an outbreak occurs. Now my cycle tends to start off normal with me spotting, but it develops into one big discharge of fluids. NOw I know the Herpes ulcers are fluid filled, but could that be the Herpes breakout inside of my vagina errupting then causing me to have an abnormal cycle with a tan colored discharge with gut particles in it(I suppose the particles the tissue that lines the vaginal walls which may be scarred and torn from the outbreak) that then turns into a yellowish discharge near the end of my cycle?
I am really scared and concerned about this situation, but I won't have an appointment with my gyno until another couple of weeks so could you find out for me or if you know, could you tell me what is going on with me??????????
Thanks in Advance.
In Reply to: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned on December 19, 2002 at 19:03:50:
Oh, men! What a bummer to lose your virginity to a filthy looser with an STD! If you have a daughter, tell her to behave like a decent, modest lady to avoid "incidents" that her mommy has gone through.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 19:49:31:
Do condoms protect from herpes?
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 19:49:31:
You can be a carrier of the disease and show no outward symptoms. This man MAY not have known he had an STD to begin with.
This happened to a friend of mine. She met this man, as the relationship developed, they decided to have sex. She broke out with genital herpes, and he never knew he even had it all. He showed no outward signs but was a carrier of the disease.
Maybe its just luck of the draw or the alternative is to have all possible sex partners tested. But that doesnt seem realistic/practical either.
"tell her to behave like a decent, modest lady to avoid "incidents" that her mommy has gone through."
But one day the daughter will also lose her virginity. It obviously doesnt have much to do with being decent or modest, if you can catch genital herpes, your very first time.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 19:55:24:
Not completely. They only reduce risk.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by May not be his fault on December 19, 2002 at 20:01:41:
It's not realistic or practical to have your partners tested only if you are promiscuous.
You've got a point there in the end of your post. I should augment my list of qualities a woman (and a man, for that matter) should have. They also have to be smart and careful to have their partners tested. Or suffer consequences.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 20:11:10:
I guess then it comes down to what you would consider
"promiscuous" behaviour????
All this puts such a bummer on sexual relations! :)
But of course, men are the ones who are the most "promoscious". I sometimes wonder whether any man, married or attached, is capable of being fully monogamous with one woman, if the oppportunity to cheat without being found out is presented to them.
I have yet to come across a man like this.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by May not be his fault on December 19, 2002 at 20:01:41:
I just wanted to add that if he had picked up an STD somewhere and brought it to this recent virgin, then it IS his fault, whether he knew about it or not. A careful man or a woman would make sure, e.g, by testing, that he/she is not a carrier. Or if he/she is a carrier, he/she should let his/her partner know that and let the partner decide. However, what happens most of the time is that we are concerned more with satisfying our current urges right away than long term health of ours and our partners'.
In Reply to: It WAS his fault posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 20:17:31:
In Reply to: It WAS his fault posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 20:17:31:
then you're assuming everyone in the world who EVER has sexual intercourse should be responsible enough to get tested first.
I dont think thats going to happen.
In hindsight, its fine to look back and say that he/she should have been tested first. But who thinks who has had limited sexual experience, say one sex partner, and sleeps with a virgin that they are going to pass on an STD.
I have never had unprotected intercourse with anyone but my current partner of many years but neither of us have ever been tested for STD's either.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 20:14:48:
Promiscuous: casual and unrestrained in sexual behavior.
"All this puts such a bummer on sexual relations!"
Since you were joking, I am not sure I should reply. But anyway... I don't find it a bummer. Well... sometimes... I wish I could just go out and f... anything that moves and is good looking and of an opposite gender :) But considering circumstances (diseases and whatever), I don't. Not that I could :)
It is not clear that men are more promiscuous than women. Read Inaccurate Samples Implies Inaccurate Results.
Trust me that there ARE men who are capable of being fully monogamous with one woman.
In Reply to: Re: It WAS his fault posted by But..... on December 19, 2002 at 20:31:27:
"then you're assuming everyone in the world who EVER has sexual intercourse should be responsible enough to get tested first. "
That is illogical. I am not assuming they should. I think they should if they want to reduce risks. Or they will have live with consequences. It's their choice. I am just nitpicking here, so don't reply to this one.
I agree with what you said. Not many people will get tested before having sex. But that doesn't lift responsibility for their action off of them, and that was my point. I know most people won't do [fill this space with any precaution measures], but they are still responsible for their actions. Do we agree on this one?
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 20:32:15:
I am sorry I wasnt joking. I enjoy sex very much, but dont always get my quota. :)
Yeah, I too wish I could just go and f*ck every attractive man I come across or at least find one who was willing or able to f*ck me at least once a day and was always available. thats probably why STDs were invented, to stop ourselves from having too much fun with the opposite sex and going wild. Once a day. Thats all I ask. Not much, dont you think?! I am not sure whether a high sex drive is a blessing or a curse! Sorry for being so candid.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 20:39:17:
No, not much at all. Once a day sounds good to me. With exception on days when I feel tired or energized. But one, on average, is good. And orgy might be interesting to try once too.
Thanks god, we can satisfy ourselves in a fast and cheap way. Not the same, but it takes off the heat, if you know what I mean :)
In Reply to: Re: It WAS his fault posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 20:39:07:
yes, definitely, we are all responsible for our actions.
But some are more unlucky than others. You can get very "promiscuous" men/women who never end up with an STD, and then you get this poor girl, who after one sexual experience contracts the disease.
Go figure!? I just dont get that.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 20:44:04:
Of course i know what you mean. I have three sitting in my closet, every ready. :)
But it doesnt replace a man. Its cold, hard, and doesnt kiss, use foreplay,cuddle, give love etc which is all a part of sex for me. I want the intimacy, not just the act.
But whats a girl to do!? I control myself as best I can, and then there are times when I just say f*ck it, I need a man!
In Reply to: Re: It WAS his fault posted by Concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 20:44:31:
She must have pissed off God before departing for Earth. LOL
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 20:44:04:
Do you mind if I ask how old you are?
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 20:47:54:
Are men that would love (really) you on a long term basis hard to come by? You know, there are always men and women who are looking to have a meaningful relationship.
Almost everytime I said to myself "F... it! I need a woman" and got one, I regreted. After IT was over, I was wondering why was there with her. So, after several of such experiences, I decided not to follow my temporary desire and help myself out. By the time I would've gone out, I am all well already and thinking "How good that I listened to myself. Saved lots of time and money. And didn't get whatever bad I could've."
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 20:50:28:
No, not at all. Under this nickname, not many will recognize me :) I am slightly over 30.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 20:54:56:
It feels like love at the time. I know that sounds really silly, but to me it does.
My man doesnt fulfill me to the extent i need it. I am in a long term relationship.
You would proably think I am being promoscuous but I can only take so much of being turned away. We have very much out of balance sex levels.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 21:01:34:
Does he turn you away in a rude and offensive way?
Could he attend your needs by alternative ways if he's not up to... whatever you want at the moment?
Would nonsexual physical intimacy replace sex for you when he can't provide sex. You know, sitting or lying close to each other, carressing each other, talking, etc. Would both of you go for it? It seems more appealing than sex all the time to me.
In Reply to: Re: It WAS his fault posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 20:48:04:
Or maybe her resistance was low (immune system, not morals) and she was ripe for a virus (any virus). It's very easy to get
moral when you don't have to go through another's pain. Compassionate is anything but. Your screen name should be
Judgemental instead. Sometimes condoms don't work and the jury is still out on whether or not various
viruses can penetrate the latex barrier.
Opinions are a dime a dozen. Even a cursory search is bound to turn up some factual information if you look for it
You are here at a health board so you are probably suffering from some malady or another. Do you suppose it is because of
loose morals and promiscuity that you are suffering from it?
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 21:14:06:
Yes, thats the problem.
When he wants it, its all fine and dandy then.
But when I want it and he doesnt, then he can be abrupt and rude about it and wont even fulfill non sexual physical intimacy. I dont think he knows the difference between sexual and non sexual intimacy. to him all physical affection between us is sexual.
Many times I have cried about it, but now I have found someone to fulfill me, at least sexually. I just got hurt too much.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 19:49:31:
Having an STD makes a person a filthy loser? (one "o", btw)
So, is this girl now a filthy loser?
If I have oral herpes am I a filthy loser?
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 20:54:56:
Almost everytime I said to myself "F... it! I need a woman" and got one, I regreted. After IT was over, I was wondering why was there with her.
I havent regretted it yet. Not at all. I loved it. Every minute of being with him. We are still in contact with each other. I am trying to decide whether to see him again or not right now. Do I think it will last and turn into something serious? Nope.
But I was flattered by his attentions. He was the one who made the first move. He is a charming man, and good looking too. very tender with me. But, he is a ladies man.
I have never been one to make the first move with men in a social situation. Cant bring myself to do it. Feel like a loose and desperate woman if i do. :)I feel so sorry for men who get rejected. What a crush to the ego!?
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 22:26:13:
Ah, that's a different situation. The... hmmm... relationships I was talking about were... more... business like. I don't feel like getting in a relationship that I don't think can last.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 21:48:12:
I see. If I were you, I'd make an attempt to make him understand what's important to me and what hurts me, and if he still doesn't understand, I'd cut him loose. I wouldn't waste time with him and miss opportunities to meet someone who would understand me.
Thank God, I understand what my GF needs, and she can talk to me about her needs, and I can understand. If I can't (at least, for the time being) to do what she asks (e.g. falling asleep having embrased her with my arms), I am FAR from being rude when telling her that I can't do that. I am sensitive myself, and I really try to make people I love feel good. Not to a point of suffering, though.
In Reply to: Filthy Loser posted by PH on December 19, 2002 at 22:11:23:
Look at all the "filthy losers" right here on this board:
In Reply to: Or maybe... posted by Looking Deeper on December 19, 2002 at 21:23:14:
Of course, it's easier to be moral when not dealing with a situation in question. But does that mean we shouldn't even try because it's haaaard to resist the "pain" of our desires?
Yeah, I know Judgmental suits my current role better, but I prefer Compassionate.
About condoms: yes, that's why I said they only protect to a degree.
No, my malady doesn't stem from any moral issues or promiscuity.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 22:52:17:
He does see the error of his ways, the next day.
One particular incident that happened right before I met this new guy, he rejected me and it really hurt, and I just made up my mind there and then, that whatever I did from that point on, he deserved it! He knew he had hurt me thats why he apologized. But the damage had been done too many times already. Things are starting to get back on track now though.
In Reply to: Filthy Loser posted by PH on December 19, 2002 at 22:11:23:
Thanks for correction. But you are spoiling all the fun with the rest of your stuff. I will not tell you or the girl what you are, but it felt good to call her lover that.
Having an STD is at least the host's fault.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 22:44:21:
OH, sorry I confused what you were meaning.
No, I dont enjoy casual sex, well not totally, as in satisfying. I know what you mean, about that kind of disappointing feeling, thats only if you have no connection with the person though. For me, there has to be mutual attraction, and then a mutual liking, and trust. This guy for some unknown reason, I trusted him right off the bat. I couldnt have done what I did with him if I didnt. :)
business like. (thats a very interesting way of putting it.):)
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 23:02:30:
So, maybe you will both morph into more compatible individuals over time. Hopefully, not too long time. But to tell you frankly, I'd hate if my girlfriend banged someone else while I couldn't provide her with all she needed. I would like her to either stop our relationship or to stick with me while we are working things out. I prefer monogamous relationships even before marriage. I know I am in minority on this.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned 2 on December 19, 2002 at 23:11:41:
"business like. (thats a very interesting way of putting it.):) "
Well, that's more descriptive than "yada-yada" one in today's Seinfeld episode. :) I'm not sure it's shown where you are. An example: "An ex-boyfriend came over last night. Yada-yada-yada... I am tired today."
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 23:11:53:
That is what I want. To be monogamous and be with someone who also is. But he pushed me too far. I have needs that werent being met, and what made me feel justified was that he had done this to me a long time ago. I know that is strange logic, and doesnt make me any better than him.
I did tell him if things dont change, then I will have to look elsewhere. I didnt say I would leave him, that gets too complicated in my situation.
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Compassionate on December 19, 2002 at 23:16:28:
I love that word "yada yada yada".
yes I have seen the show many times. I love goofy Kramer the best!
At the moment, my sex drive has plummeted for a good reason. And I truly dont care less about sex right now. But guess who REALLY wants it almost everyday now that he cant have it. (sigh!)
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned on December 19, 2002 at 23:19:42:
Complicated? Do you have to stay with him for some reason? That's not good if it's so.
In Reply to: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned on December 19, 2002 at 19:03:50:
I contracted this too on my third time with my first love. He did not even know he had it. He was more devastated than I was when this happened.
Your disease is not your fault. Illness is part of the whole learning experience of life, and everybody goes through it. That's what it means to be mortal. Even if you do everything right in all areas of wellness, you still can get sick or develop a disease.
See your body as God's perfect gift to you, for it is in loving and appreciating our body that we begin the path to consciousness.
(Part of the above was taken from The Eight Human Talents by Gurmukh)
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To answer your original question, I experience the same type of period. I had it this way before I contracted the disease. I really don't think they are related, but wait for Dr. Stoll to answer.
In the mean time, you should start looking into what it means to be well, and read the homepage article on how to be healthy. You could consider this experience as a push to get you moving in a certain direction on your path in this life. Maybe you could consider it a time to start picking up some books and information for healing your body through nutrition and spiritual awareness.
In Reply to: Re: Illness is nobody's fault. posted by Lighten up on December 20, 2002 at 01:16:12:
In Reply to: Genital Herpes posted by Concerned on December 19, 2002 at 19:03:50:
Hi, Concerned.
I do not have to be an STD specialist to explain this one.
Every viral disease infects every cell in the body forever. Immunity just keeps it inactive (in jail so to speak). Depending upon the type of virus, it will try an escape once in a while (Shingles for chicken pox for example.) Herpes II is notorious for only breaking out on the genitals (or type 1 on the mouth). However your menstrual symptoms are evidence of its effect upon your metabolism at those times when breakouts come. It is also evidence that your menstrual cycle influences your immunity to this organism--a perfect holistic precept.
Serious wellnes is the only solution to this problem, in my experience. Since it always helps and cannnot possibly hurt, why not give it a try and let us know how you are doing in 6-12 months?
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on December 21, 2002 at 07:43:38:
"Every viral disease infects every cell in the body forever. Immunity just keeps it inactive (in jail so to speak)."
I've read that too. But, to apply it to smallpox, that should mean that smallpox virus must still be in those who have caught it, regardless whether they got sick or not. If so, then saying the the virus has been eradicated from Earth is wrong, isn't it?
In Reply to: Re: Genital Herpes (Archive.) posted by R. on December 21, 2002 at 14:43:12:
I guess so, R.
I suppose I should have said it has been rendered impotent. As all of us who have been vaccinated die and are either cremated or buried 6 feet under, the virus still exists.
Since no virus can exist for long outside the living tissue of a susceptible species, those buried at sea also are rendered impotent.
Walt
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