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Posted by Jim on January 14, 2001 at 15:47:17:

Dr. Stoll, I was diagnosed with acid reflux about the middle of last year and surgery was recommended. I knew I had more going on than just a weak LES muscle (hypoglycemic symptoms, occasional fatigue, intestinal discomforts, etc.,) so I've been willing to try just about every alternative I've come across, including GR juice and twice daily SR. The GR juice has helped and I thought the SR was helping too (I've been meditating now with the Centerpointe tapes for about 3 months). There have been times when I thought I had this GERD beat using your recommendations, and now, all of a sudden, I've taken a HUGE step backwards and am at a loss as to what to do. After 3 months of SR, about 6 months on a whole foods diet, 21 days of GR juice, 2 rolfing sessions, a massage, now on my second attempt at an anti-candida diet and supplement program (I tested positive for a small abount of candida), my symptoms over the past week are almost as bad as they were a year ago. The most disturbing symptom is shortness of breath, especially after eating (I have several other minor symptoms). Strangely, the shortness of breath is worse when sitting and usually goes away on standing. This makes me worry that this is more of a structural problem, unless the structual problem exists because of bracing. But if it is bracing I would think I would see continuous improvement after 3 months of SR. I find myself eating more animal products on the anti-candida diet, which I'm sure doesn't help, but I would think the SR would have helped some by now so that I could handle more eggs, fish and chicken. Any advice or recommendations?? The centerpointe tapes seem to be effective, as far as I can tell (I usually feel good while meditating). Thanks in advance for any help.



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by beegs on January 14, 2001 at 17:15:49:

In Reply to: GERD coming back posted by Jim on January 14, 2001 at 15:47:17:


hey dude,im in your boat,but here are a few things learned.if short of breath hile sitting,it could be a hiatal hernia. the stomache pushes up more while sitting,causing pain on the vagus nerve. also,stay away from carbs,i was doing like macrobiotics, mostly grains and stuff,my gerd got worse. i spoke o several people who all said to stay away from carbs with gerd,tr more protein,and dropthe brown rice and so on,eat veggies instaed. i a considering surgery myself. my friend just had it and he loves life,3 weeks after,he is running 3 miles,and playing in hanball tourneys,and he was fine



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by Jim on January 14, 2001 at 17:48:50:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by beegs on January 14, 2001 at 17:15:49:

Endoscopy results showed that I don't have a hiatal hernia, and I don't want anything to do with surgery if I can possibly help it. The surgery sounds like primitive butchery to me. I understand well the diet I should be on, but it seems to me that if SR is going to eliminate bracing, than after 3 months I should be showing some progress, not going backwards. Thanks for your response, but I'm looking for opinions on whether or not bracing could cause what seems to be a structural problem, and if so, shouldn't I be seeing more positive results.



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by
Bob on January 14, 2001 at 20:59:05:

In Reply to: GERD coming back posted by Jim on January 14, 2001 at 15:47:17:

Hi Jim,
I thought I would pass along some things that have helped for me. I have followed much the same path as you, using the CP SR about 10 weeks now, anti-candida diets and herb teas like purple lapacho, etc. I found that taking HCL and multienzymes at each meal has been helpful. There is a site at www.candidafighter.com/heartburn.htm that is interesting(about taking HCL). Also there is a site wellatlast.com that seems pretty good. They mentioned that the candida that I have/had should have been wiped out by now ( I still have hives-but no more gerd) and that I may have other protozoa that is much harder to kill than candida. Likely, especially if I eat raw veges from my organic garden, which I do. He said that parasites like that can cause gerd and make the gut very permeable-allergies and hives.
Anyway thought this might give you a couple more places to check out.
Keep on fighting and do not give in to surgery and try re-introduce the GRJ again.




Re: GERD coming back

Posted by Dave on January 14, 2001 at 21:12:34:

In Reply to: GERD coming back posted by Jim on January 14, 2001 at 15:47:17:

Jim, Just hang in there my friend. It is only natural to have set backs. One of the things I found in my battle with gerd among other things was is your setback really as bad as you think. I have been fighting it since 1996 and only in the last year have I not had a setback in my mind. I found that each setback was always a little less then the previous setback and finally they got to where I did not notice it anymore. HCL may be and option for you, you will know real quick if you need it or not. Do your best to keep a good mental attitude, That also helps. Good luck



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by Jim on January 14, 2001 at 22:41:45:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by Dave on January 14, 2001 at 21:12:34:

Thanks Dave. I've gotten use to set backs, but this one seems to be a whopper that is lasting for many days, so it's really knocked me backwards and is extremely frustrating. It's amazing to me how much better I often feel while I'm meditating, which gives me some hope that SR will still be the answer in the long run.



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by beegs on January 14, 2001 at 22:43:46:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by Jim on January 14, 2001 at 17:48:50:


believe me,im not into surgery,but sometimes you have to. i believe in all the candida and stuff,however,you can get caught up in it bigtime.. i think your sr may not be deep enough,are you getting to theta? from what i know about chi gung,it takes longer than 20 minutes n beginners toget deep.im opting for maybe surgery,because of my hernia and barretts. i also take he lapacho. i think dr stoll said you should go to a biofeedback session,to see how deep your sr is,he said this in he archivs.



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by Jim on January 14, 2001 at 22:45:54:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by Bob on January 14, 2001 at 20:59:05:

Thanks Bob. I had discovered wellatlast previously and ordered their book. I've had doubts about candida being so tough to beat and will be interested in reading this book. I'll check out the other website you mentioned.



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by Steve on January 15, 2001 at 12:05:45:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by Jim on January 14, 2001 at 22:45:54:

Hi Jim:
Thanks to you and Bob for mentioning my website and book, Allergies and Candida. Can I ask where did you order it from? (It's just that Amazon sometimes takes weeks to get it to people.) Did you get it yet?
You are very wise to have suspected that there is more to "Candida" than Candida. AS I have been saying for over a decade now, 80-90% of "Candida" either is nor Candida (rather Protozoan parasites--amoeba, giardia) or if Candida is present, it is secondary to the Protozoans.) Most people never find out because the holistic physicians use worthless stool test lab(s). Only the special Parrish-Bueno test (special rectal swab method followed by special microscopy) or the Kinesiological methods I pioneered find evidence of what is really there. The parasite toxins trigger massive gastrointestinal permeability (and thus food allergies/addictions), shut off stomach's production of pepsin/HCl, wack out the adrenals, thyroid and pancreas (the ultimate usual cause of hypoglycemia) and interfere with serotonin (anxiety/depression/phobias, etc.) The weakening of the body from Protozoans is the usual primary cause of secondary "critters" which includes Candida, Epstein-Barr Virus, Helicobactor pylori and others. This explains why people take anti-fungals for months, years, decades without improvement. In some cases, drs give dangerous anti-fungal drugs for many months or years, when the drugs' own manufacturers recommend only 10-day trials! The reason--worthless stool tests so the dr and pt never learn about the amoeba or giardia present.
80% of the body's serotonergic nerves are in the GI tract, not the brain. So depression/anxiety begins often in the GI tract.
RE GERD, Dr Stoll certainly has very good advice to follow in general. But I have seen how parasite toxins and subsequent allergies can get GERD going. Look into the possibility of allergy/addiction foods you are eating. Certainly one has to go to zero amounts of caffeine, sugar, dairy, alcohol, maybe wheat and other grains, vinegar (mold) and beware of any addictive/allergic foods eaten often.
I have also found how mercury toxicity can do this too on numerous clients. Have you had a recent hair analysis to look for this? Do you have dental amalgam, eat fish?
Anyone with stomach complaints might also look into Helicobactor pylori bacterium. There is even now a new, inexpensive testor for the chemicals from H.p. available.
I hope this helps you. You can contact me at my email address.
Be well.



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by Jim on January 15, 2001 at 13:01:41:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by Steve on January 15, 2001 at 12:05:45:

Hi Steve,

I just ordered your book through the mail, so I doubt you've even seen the order as of yet. I'll be interested in reading it, but I must say that I suspect I have more going on than just bad bugs. The last time I tried an anti-candida diet, I felt horrible the whole time, as I do now, mostly with shortness of breath. But other symptoms (mainly fatigue) were relieved by the candida program. I had only done the candida diet/supplement program for about 3 weeks the last time because I felt bad while doing it, but when these symptoms disappeared I figured it must have done some good. Then these symptoms came back after the holidays (in which I had indulged in some sweet stuff), so now I'm back on the program for a longer time (a little over a week now), hoping to completely knock them out of me for good. But the fact that the shortness of breath gets worse when I'm on this diet and anti-candida supplements, tells me I have something else going on too. I don't see how candida or parasites could make me feel short of breath while sitting but not while standing. So it seems like a structural problem, which I'm hoping would be helped through SR to eliminate any possible bracing. I'm wondering if the kinesiolgy program you've been doing would be of any help in this regard. I'd be interested in your opinion. Thanks.



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by Steve on January 15, 2001 at 13:41:06:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by Jim on January 15, 2001 at 13:01:41:

Hi Jim:
First off, one can be allergic to anything including supplements, anti-Candida "remedies," etc. The kinesiologist tests for safety of all such things. Effectiveness can also be tested. But kinesiology first of all, should be used to find the cause of a person's problems--just which critters they really have and any other problems. The point is, without kinesiological testing, everything is guess work and can take forever. We assume that the kinesiologist one ends up with has accurate testing which too is sadly the exception. (Most kinesiology is bogus; e.g. the popular "cure your allergies instantly and permanently" with simplistic tapping. Some people feel better because they finally get some meridian energy balancing, but no allergies are cured, because the parasite-induced permeability is not affected.)
Of course, here we presume a person has been through medical testing to rule out a medical condition. I trust this is true of you?
A hiatal hernia certainly could cause shortness of breath while seated. Are you following all the suggestions I made and Dr. Stoll has made RE GERD? Small, hopefully non-allergic meals. You may have re-obtained any number of critters from holiday bingeing as many people do.
If shortness of breath is worse when you eat certain foods and take certain "remedies," this sounds like the body is telling you something. The quickest way is kinesiological testing to find out what in your diet/supplements might be contributing. Otherwise, eliminate things and put them back one at a time. (MAke a diary too.) As far as food, I have given hints as to addiction/favorite foods.
Well I hope all this helps.
Be well.
Steve



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by Steve on January 15, 2001 at 14:28:35:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by Jim on January 15, 2001 at 13:01:41:

Jim:
Hiatal hernia often is apparently not "severe" enough to show up on X-ray. Some chiropractors and kinesologists nonetheless can test and correct it as they find it does muscle test for often. On the other hand there are self-help methods. One is to drink as much water as one can stand to, and then jump off a chair say. The inertia helps pull the stomach down.
I am not telling you in particular to do this. This reply is a general educational point.
Steve



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by -- on January 15, 2001 at 15:20:49:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by Steve on January 15, 2001 at 13:41:06:

And if he does have "critters" what do you recommend in order to get rid of them?



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by Jim on January 15, 2001 at 16:55:58:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by Steve on January 15, 2001 at 13:41:06:

Steve,

What is, or how exactly does, kinesiolgy test for different allergies and/or bugs? Through muscle tests???

Sometimes it doesn't seem to matter what I eat, although I certainly do better on vegetables than I do on animal products. Also, when I'm not on an anti-candida diet I make my own whole wheat bread (which is delicious, I might add), and it does not seem to bother me. But whole grains, such as the same whole wheat when used for pancakes, can sit in my stomach like a lump of coal, as does oatmeal. So if I was allergic to wheat you would think it would bother me in all its forms. So basically, I don't have a clue.

When I ordered your book I included a request for info about your practice, and am defintely interested in learning more. I see that Dr. Goodheart of applied kinesiology fame is in my area. Any opinions on him and what help, if any, he might be? I've been to Sedona a few times and might be tempted to use some of my numerous frequent flier miles to visit your facility if I knew more and thought your approach could help.

Thanks for any and all information.



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by Steve on January 15, 2001 at 17:38:18:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by Jim on January 15, 2001 at 16:55:58:

Jim:
Kinesiology is muscle-testing.
But for all your questions, this is not the best forum. You can call at the number from the website.
Steve



Re: GERD coming back (Archive in GERD.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 16, 2001 at 08:15:22:

In Reply to: GERD coming back posted by Jim on January 14, 2001 at 15:47:17:

Hi, Jim.

How did you certify that your SR was working?

I have always said that to resolve something like this takes 6-12 months of SR that is certifiably working. After 3 months (IF certified working) one might reasonably expect exacerbations to be further apart and last less time--NOT total elimination.

Rolfing also helps this IF you have the entire 10 sessions.

Walt



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by dale on January 17, 2001 at 16:15:54:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by beegs on January 14, 2001 at 22:43:46:

i have had two surgeries for the barretts and it is true you dont want surgery if you can help it cause you seem to fall into a certain place for more. i believe my case is more difficult,it seemed to go away but in fact it was still irritating the spot,now it has effected my breathing cause of it being a muscle. more meds,more endo and maybe the uw,that thought scares me,they feel they have done everything for me without special study.



Re: GERD coming back

Posted by dale on January 17, 2001 at 16:44:36:

In Reply to: Re: GERD coming back posted by beegs on January 14, 2001 at 17:15:49:

try everything you can not to have surgery,i have had two and its ok at first for me,except the eating after the surgery,i didnt have the scope i had the old type,although i heard the scope was alot better on the body,i have barretts which is long term exposure of acid to the esophagus,but dont quote me on that,there is several dood sites that have good info,if you have aol keyword barretts or gerd.



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