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Posted by Chris on October 04, 2001 at 00:53:33:

Has anyone here experienced sensations of coldness in the mid-lower esophagus and stomach when they drink something? When I drink, I feel the water hitting those areas, and it feels ice-cold. I've had burning in my stomach, too. Not much in the way of reflux. The docs all think I'm crazy when I tell them about this. How's that for an explanation?!



Re: cold esophagus,stomach

Posted by Helping you on October 04, 2001 at 12:20:03:

In Reply to: cold esophagus,stomach posted by Chris on October 04, 2001 at 00:53:33:

I hope this doesn't seem obvious, but are you drinking cold water? If you are, don't. Drink room-temp water and you shouldn't feel this. If it is happening EVEN with room temp water, you may have some sores on your esophogus or ulcers in your stomach. have you ever had a burn on your arm? If have every tried putting something on it, even something as simple as a bandage, you might notice that everything tends to feel cold. This is how I am making this assumption. Seeing a doctor that is interested in persuing these symptoms is your best bet. If sores or ulcer is present, here is the protocol:

1) Chewable DGL (2 wafers 20 minutes before each meal)
2) L-glutamine (500mg 3x per day between meals)
3) Cabbage/celery/carrot juice (first thing in the morning)
4) Get Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon. This book contains info on properly preparing foods so that you do not injure your digestive system.
4) stay away from hot spices, tomatoes, citrus for the time being.



Re: cold esophagus,stomach

Posted by Chris on October 04, 2001 at 18:23:37:

In Reply to: Re: cold esophagus,stomach posted by Helping you on October 04, 2001 at 12:20:03:

That makes sense, HY. Yeah, it happens regardless of the temp of the water. I went to 3 gastro docs; two laughed at me, and the other told me that there is no such thing as a cold stomach. I burned, too, but not like reflux. It was like irritation or something. So, they just gave me PPIs, but those made things worse. So, then I went to a chiropractor, and he said "Oh yeah, I've heard of that. That means you're low on acid." So he gave me HCl which BURNED, so he gave me a weaker solution, and that was a little better, but it didn't make the cold go away. But I had to quit that b/c I got a nasty h-pylori infection. Now my stomach is all jacked up. Infection is gone, though (breath test is negative and I feel better).Anyway, I'll do what you say to do and see what happens. What do you think is going on? Maybe food allergy? I got the blood test by Great Smokies, and that was ok. But I read your posts--you say blood tests aren't worth much. Anyway, I hate it b/c I can't eat a lot of foods. hard to branch out. I'll get that book.



Re: cold esophagus,stomach

Posted by Marie on October 04, 2001 at 19:33:03:

In Reply to: Re: cold esophagus,stomach posted by Helping you on October 04, 2001 at 12:20:03:

I'm wondering that about myself--I've experienced something similar. Just to see if it's allergy, would taking a prescription antihistamine lessen symptoms? I'm asking because since I don't really know why I'm having these symptoms (nor does Chris), then maybe if we took Allegra or something and then felt better--perhaps this would indicate that allergy is playing a big role. Does that make sense? I know that my particular problem is that I can't eat whole foods, red meat, citrusy stuff, etc etc, so when you get down to it, I'm eating the same foods over and over, which I know makes a person allergenic. Sooooo....if I could take Allegra and my problems improve, then that will tell me that maybe if I can just eat stuff with cell walls and hurt, then eventually my stomach will heal from the allergy problems and the whole foods won't hurt as much anymore. I don't know if I'm making much sense at all. Anyway, what do you think about that?

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Re: cold esophagus,stomach (Not uncommon.) Archive in GERD--"meaning".

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 05, 2001 at 09:58:02:

In Reply to: cold esophagus,stomach posted by Chris on October 04, 2001 at 00:53:33:

Hi, Chris.

This happens when one is developing a sensitive esophageal lining. Not uncommon but by no means a universal warning.

This means that you are going in the direction of GERD.

Use the GRJ and reverse it before it gets that far and let us know how you do.

Remember that GERD is a sign of LGS.

Walt



Re: follow-up question for Walt

Posted by Chris on October 05, 2001 at 11:23:29:

In Reply to: Re: cold esophagus,stomach (Not uncommon.) Archive in GERD--"meaning". posted by Walt Stoll on October 05, 2001 at 09:58:02:

Thanks for letting me know. It's nice that someone actually knows what's going on! So, I probably shouldn't have loaded my stomach up with acid for a year, eh? So, when you say that my lining is sensitive---why is that? Is it because of acid already leaking up? Is it because of a food allergy? Why is it doing that? And why do I feel it sometimes in my stomach? I didn't see anything about this in the archives, in terms of this cold-feeling stuff. I'll try the GRJ. Thanks!



Re: cold esophagus,stomach

Posted by Helping You on October 05, 2001 at 20:04:21:

In Reply to: Re: cold esophagus,stomach posted by Chris on October 04, 2001 at 18:23:37:

It's not that blood tests aren't worth much. They are worth a lot! It all depends on what you are testing. Hormones are best tested through saliva. Liver function is best tested through blood and urine. digestion is best tested through urine and stool. So, depending on what is going on will decide what tests are best. Most doctors just TEST and they don't care about the form the test comes in. For hormones, most docs test the "whole hormone" or total hormone. this is basically useless. Some of the hormone is bound to proteins that cannot be used. So, what you are really interested in is, the part of the hormone that your body can use. This is called "free hormone". The results with such testing are like night and day. They make a HUGE difference. I would try the suggestions that I mentioned plus what Walt suggested above.

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Re: follow-up question for Walt (cold esophagus?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 06, 2001 at 08:48:35:

In Reply to: Re: follow-up question for Walt posted by Chris on October 05, 2001 at 11:23:29:

Thanks, Chris.

The reason you have not seen your symptom in the archives is that you are the first one with this symptom since the website started (6 years now) although I have seen several cases in my practice.

I think that you can answer the rest of your questions as you become a student of LGS.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt



Re: follow-up question for Walt (cold esophagus?)

Posted by Chris on October 06, 2001 at 19:00:21:

In Reply to: Re: follow-up question for Walt (cold esophagus?) posted by Walt Stoll on October 06, 2001 at 08:48:35:

Thanks for the follow-up, Dr. Stoll. Here is what I have learned from the archives:

I have had a lot of stress in my life for the past 4 years and tend to be "over-sensitive" to stimuli. I haven't done anything like SR, so my immune "cliff" was eventually reached. I ate poorly, so between these two things, I developed LGS. This let the Candida run wild, so parasites followed, like the stomach infection. How am I doing?

So, here's what I've learned to do. SR is a biggie. I'll try the tapes from centerpointe since I have a busy mind. I've also started L-Glutamine for the LGS, along with NAG and gamma oryzanol. For the stomach: GRJ, DGL, slippery elm, aloe, gamma-zyme (avoid protease). I'm also doing Primal Defense b/c my colon is probably acidic so it wouldn't accept traditional probiotics. Sound good?

There's what I've learned so far. Now, here's where I'm lacking in my knowledge. The cold esophagus--I know where it came from (1st paragraph), and I'm doing everything I can with supplements. I can't do a whole foods diet; I eat little veggies because they really irritate my stomach. But I'm hoping that the other stuff will help. Okay---so, to explain my cold esophagus--I just don't get it from the reading that I've done. Is this because of acid or are the cells becoming sensitive to food? I'm confused. My doc wants to try something like Allegra to see if food allergies are causing my stomach problems. The infection is gone, yet the irritation and gurgling remains. I know that I should give GRJ and the other stuff a chance. But I'm just trying to understand my problem. I understand that I got a cold esophagus and messed up stomach because of LGS but as to WHY the esophagus is cold (HY says irritation--I agree), I'm just not sure. Acid? Allergy? I need to get my system to where it can tolerate whole foods. That's my goal. So, I'd really appreciate it if you'd fill in the gaps in my understanding or at least point me more specifically in the archives. Endoscopy actually showed a normal esophagus--just irritated stomach.



Re: follow-up question for Walt (cold esophagus?) (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 07, 2001 at 16:00:58:

In Reply to: Re: follow-up question for Walt (cold esophagus?) posted by Chris on October 06, 2001 at 19:00:21:

Congratulations, Chris.

PRETTY GOOD!

You are becoming sensitive to everything in your GI tract. The stomach/esophagus is just where YOUR genetics is giving you symptoms (AND signs--according to your 'scope). Without what you are learning right now, next year will be worse.

Actually, the Allegra is not a bad idea so long as you know it is a temporary benefit (if it helps).

ANYONE can eat a whole foods diet without eating any vegies--at least long enough to see if it helps your overall condition. I would not try it without Beth Loiselle's book. BY FAR the most important thing, in the long run, is the SR.

Let us know how you do.

Walt

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