Hiatus Hernia (GERD) historical posts January 1998

lupus

Posted by Jan Sable on January 03, 1998 at 12:49:42:

I have been given a variety of diagnoses over the years including lupus, vasculitis, thyroditis, Raynaud's, GERD, chronic fatigue syndrome, etc. Whatever they call it I continue to add to my symptom collection and am not functional enough to return to work. I would appreciate any suggestions that you might have. Do you know of physicians in the San Francisco Bay Area who could be helpful with my case? Also what is the difference between Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Epstein Barr? I thought the latter was eliminated as a causal factor in the illness.


GERD - crossroads

Posted by David Harrison on January 04, 1998 at 09:26:12:

I have just finished reading all GERD related postings. I have learned that I am far from unique with my symptoms.

Symptoms: Stomach pain, lump in throat, burning in chest, chest pain, back pain (upper left), pain in left arm, heart skips beats then rapid (occassional), flutter in stomach, mild nausea, headache, raspy voice, bloated feeling, fluid feeling in back of throat, gurgling in throat after swallow, noisy stomach.

History: Had for almost four years. Originally diagnosed as anxiety. Have had heart checked MANY times ... all well. Correctly diagnosed Feb'97 by ER doctor, finally. US, UGI and endoscopy showed GERD. Have tried everything to no avail. Prilosec, Propulsid, Prevacid and shots of milanta all day. Was spurious but last six months has been every day. Couldn't sleep but Dr. suggested prozac and trazadone at bedtime to help. It has. Symptoms have kept me from any and all physical activity, work and any kind of acceptable quality of life.

Dr. Stoll, I am not going to make you repeat yourself. I am heading out to get some ginger today and I will pick up your book. No offense but I will try almost anything. I have tried Chiropractory, Acupuncture, Eastern and Western medicine but nothing has worked. I am a 39 year old software engineer looking for a different line of work down the road.

Over the past four months, I have taken control of my health. The blind trust I once had in medical doctors is no more. After talking with other GERD sufferers and exploring my history in great detail, I have concluded my condition was likely brought on by one or a combination of the following: Stress, bacterial infection and extreme exercise or injury as in lifting heavy weights.

To correct this problem, I have removed bacterial infections via a strong antibotic regimen. This includes the H.Pylori bacteria which I tested positive for. I have attempted to remove the stress I can from my life and handle that which cannot be filtered. I have incorporated meditation into my life and presently cannot exercise but hope to soon, excluding the weight lifting and situps I was doing.

Right up to finding this website today (jan 4, 98) I have been investigating the Laparoscopic Nissen Fundoplication and attempting to find the best surgeons available to perform it. I am zeroing in on Dr. Rattner @ Mass General. Dr. Rattner seems to be the right person becuase he located at Mass Gereral Hospital which is rated #2 in the country for GI surgery and he has performed this operation with success many times as well as instruct other surgeons in this method of treatment. The surgery, when performed by a skilled and experience surgeon has had a 90% success rate with patients remaining symptom free after 10 years in one study.

I would prefer NOT to have the surgery. I would prefer to not put any prescribed medications into my body again. I have just run out of alternatives.

I would love the ginger root and lifestyle changes to make the difference. I am not as hopeful as I might of been years ago but I am going to try and be positive. I have learned that visualization can make the difference.

If anyone would like to take advantage of my experience and data which I have collected. Please contact me at david@clam.com, this account (my wifes) or call me at home. No need to be alone with horrible problem. If you haven't been here, you really can't fully appreciate it.

David Harrison
603-432-8453


Re: GERD - crossroads

Posted by James Zintz on January 04, 1998 at 11:18:46:

In Reply to: GERD - crossroads posted by David Harrison on January 04, 1998 at 09:26:12:

David,

Your story sounds so familiar to me, right down to the Xanax and Trazadone.

I was able to eliminate the symptoms through the use of an integrated approach recommended by Dr. Stoll. If you stick with the meditation, you will have one of the keys. You didn't mention diet in your post. You will find it is of supreme importance, and it is not easy in the beginning. Your idea of what "eating well" means will change. You will probably look at the food industry the way you have begun to look at conventional medicine.

I said "eliminate the symptoms" and not heal, because I recently expanded my diet and some of the problems returned, so I had to take a step back. But I am so far ahead of the game, that I can support you totally in your plan to read what Dr. Stoll has to say. Then get Beth Loiselle's book, The Healing Power of Whole Foods, (800) 870-5378) it in an invaluable resource.

Jim




Re: GERD - crossroads

Posted by David Harrison on January 04, 1998 at 12:39:04:

In Reply to: Re: GERD - crossroads posted by James Zintz on January 04, 1998 at 11:18:46:

Thanks for the response Jim. I failed to mention as you pointed out diet and other lifestyle changes that I have implemented. I have been off all the standard bad elements for the last six months steady. In fact, I have trouble with water. I can only drink two hours after eating anything and never before bed. I have tried high protein and that does seem to help as long as it can be digested quickly. That seems to be the key. I was living on french toast and french toast for a long time. I've expanded to egg beater (no salt,cooked in a little olive oil), roasted chicken (no skin), toast, baked beans, frozen mixed veg, salmon, tuna, haddock. I had to give the milk because my ears just get to clogged.

I also have my bed elevated 8" and it can be hard to stay aboard. Out of desperation I purchased a Craftmatic adjustable bed which I know breaks the rule of bending at the waist but it does help to be able to reposition myself during the night. Overall, I would not recommend the Craftmatic ... it's robery.

I find it so comforting to communicate with others in this similar position. I believe the likelihood of me getting this surgery is high, hoping that I can be reset to ground zero and then prevent reocurrence through the lifestyle changes I have implemented.

I would welcome hearing your story and profile Jim as well as anyone else.

Thanks again for the inspiration Jim. It seems a task to not feel hopeless at times.

Dave



GERD - If you have it, please respond here.

Posted by David Harrison on January 04, 1998 at 13:22:42:

I am trying to facilitate information gathering on the potential causes of GERD. Western medicine says "we don't know" while eastern thinking points firmly to spiritual wellness, balance and understanding the big picture with interactions between physical, mental and spiritual. While I do believe that stress management may play the greatest role, I am equally convinced that other factors contribute significantly.

Please help out by submitting a brief historical profile that covers the areas I have touched upon and add anything you feel is even remotely associated. I will include all those assist with the results I gather from a number sources.

WHO?
I am a 39 year old male. Divorsed, two children 16 and 14. remarried last september. I live in southern NH.

WHEN DO YOU THINK THE GERD STARTED?
1994 just after a code review and dental work which left me with an absessed gum.

WORK?
I have been a software engineer for the past 17 years and lost my zest for the work almost 10 years ago. I am struggling to find a new reqarding work life.

EXERCISE?
I have always stayed quite fit. I have perhaps gone overboard with it. Up until 6 months ago, I would lift weights every other day. There was always some straining. Sit ups daily on inclined crunch board. mountain bike, basketball 3 mornings a week. Hike, yard work which recently included moving large rocks for a stone wall and digging out a fish pond.

DIET?
I usually ate quite healthy but some months would eat absolutely anything. Stayed away from red meat most of the time and often ate fat free (close) for months at a time. Always drank a lot of water. I have always loved milk, in fact craved it. I loved mint choc chip ice cream

HABITS?
Don't smoke, light drinker, not much wine.

SLEEP?
Occassionly had trouble getting back to sleep after being woken. Typically got 6-8 hours of sleep though there were periods when I was only getting 4-6.

FAMILY HISTORY OF GERD?
Father and his father who had a total stricture. Grandmother and two of her daughters on my mothers side.

KNOWN BACTERIAL INFECTIONS?
1994 absessed gum after touch worked on.
1997 found to be H.Pylori positive. Treated and had teeth pulled around persistant infection in my gum.

ANY OTHER POINTS OF INTEREST?
I had my first run in with this when I was tense about a code review of my work was being done for a key project. i had also had two beers that night with mexican food. It lasted for three days and went away for months.

Second one happened out of the blue. Cannot associate it with anything.

The episodes began happening more frequently and lasting longer.

I sat with my grandmother 6 months ago will she died. I got little sleep for 3 days. One week later I the worst yet episode that lasted to today. It will not stop. I have had but a handful of days that I was not effected with the GERD. Most days have been like today or worse. Cannot do much of anything, nothing physical AT ALL. I can't put a screw in the door for my wife without feeling the stomach pains coming in strong. Sneezing, coughing ... bad.

HAVE YOU BEEN SPIRITUAL?
I have been agnostic for most of my life but have recently become aware of my spirit state.

DO YOU HAVE PERSONAL BELIEFS ON HOW YOUR GERD CAME TO BE?
I believe that it has been the combination of a bacterial infection, stress, physical strain and predisposition from heredity. Additionally I have come to believe that I have had a lesson to learn. (for me this has been the biggest change.)


David Harrison



Re: GERD - crossroads

Posted by Peter Wray on January 04, 1998 at 15:15:00:

In Reply to: Re: GERD - crossroads posted by James Zintz on January 04, 1998 at 11:18:46:

David,
I agree fully with Jim's comments. My wife tried the ginger approach and it worked just like Dr. Stoll said it would. It is powerful stuff when you first try it, but from the sound of it, you won't mind that at all.

Beth's book truly is an invaluable resource as is Dr. Stoll's.

You mentioned taking control of your health and some disillusionment with allopathic medicine. I'm trying to prepare a brief piece on the transition from total trust in allopathic medicine to a combination of approaches. I'd appreciate it if you would take a quick look at my home page and personal project, and comment if you have the time. Just click on the link below (hopefully I'll get it so you will go directly to the correct location - if not, please email me for the correct address).

Thanks

Peter



Re: GERD - crossroads

Posted by David Harrison on January 04, 1998 at 15:37:05:

In Reply to: Re: GERD - crossroads posted by Peter Wray on January 04, 1998 at 15:15:00:

Peter,

Thank you for the response. I am off to get my ginger this afternoon. I am hoping to see some results quickly.

I made an attempt to get to your web page but got "The requested URL /~pwray/altmed/almed.htm was not found on this server." I'll try again later.

If you get a chance to respond to my data collection posting, it would be most interesting and beneficial for me. I am very interested in any commonality between GERD sufferers and bacterial infections.

I will get back to you again after reviewing your web page.

Thanks again.

David



Re: GERD - If you have it, please respond here.

Posted by Peter Wray on January 04, 1998 at 20:06:30:

In Reply to: GERD - If you have it, please respond here. posted by David Harrison on January 04, 1998 at 13:22:42:


WHO?
43 year old female. Married to a great guy (I get to add things like this since I'm typing). 3 children (10, 7, 2. Residing in Canada

WHEN DO YOU THINK THE GERD STARTED?
1997 just about a year after the birth of third child. Very traumatic birth experience.

WORK?
Social Worker in part-time private practice.

EXERCISE?
Sporadic bouts of walking regularly, but never been able to sustain an exercise program.

DIET?
Not great at time of onset of GERD. (much better since reading this BB). Lots of processed foods. Lots of coffee.

HABITS?
Don't smoke, light drinker. I would say that coffee is a habit.

SLEEP?
Frequent bouts of insomnia. Often can't get back to sleep if the baby wakes me up.

FAMILY HISTORY OF GERD?
Mother had hiatis hernia and gall bladder problems (she probably caused others to have lots of indigestion too).

KNOWN BACTERIAL INFECTIONS?
Lots of dental problems starting in mid 80's. Recently had holistic dentist identify bacteria problem in gums. Severe candida overgrowth including overgrowth in mouth.

ANY OTHER POINTS OF INTEREST?
Candida has probably been a problem since early twenties.


HAVE YOU BEEN SPIRITUAL?
Struggled with this and am struggling now.

DO YOU HAVE PERSONAL BELIEFS ON HOW YOUR GERD CAME TO BE?
Stress and LGS




Re: GERD - crossroads

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 09:57:12:

In Reply to: GERD - crossroads posted by David Harrison on January 04, 1998 at 09:26:12:

Dear David,

Your story is so typical, it makes me mad all over again.

Within 3 weeks of doing the ginger thing (so long as you do it as directed) you will be free of your GERD symptoms: inexpensive, quick & safe. Once your GERD symptoms are gone, neither you nor your surgeon will be interested in surgery for this.

However, all of your symptoms are due to the same process & they are just the tips of the iceberg of causation. I am glad that you will have my book to get at the rest of the causes rather than stopping looking once your symptoms are gone.

Let us know how you do. Your experience can help others avoid going through what you have.

The only failures I have seen in hundreds of cases are those who thought they could cut corners with the directions. It is true that SOME people will get benefits even with ginger ale. However, I am talking about 100% effectiveness not SOME effectiveness.

Walt



Re: GERD - If you have it, please respond here.

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 10:16:49:

In Reply to: GERD - If you have it, please respond here. posted by David Harrison on January 04, 1998 at 13:22:42:

Dear David,

I HAD GERD so I guess I can respond here. I got rid of MY symptoms the same way I had terminated them in my patients.

Since you are now asking some of the right questions about your experiences, you will get a big boost along the path to wellness by reading a copy of my book. One hundred years from now we will probably fully understand EVERYTHING about what is going on. FORTUNATELY, we do not have to understand everything to eliminate these problems. Just coping with a few of the causitive mechanisms gives our marvelous bodymind all it needs to reestablish a new homeostasis that does not include the old problems.

Want to bet that you will never have to have surgery????

Walt



Re: GERD - crossroads

Posted by David Harrison on January 05, 1998 at 10:25:04:

In Reply to: Re: GERD - crossroads posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 09:57:12:

Thank you Walt. I will surely post my status after my
trial with the ginger.

A followup question for you. When
relief comes from the ginger root, can I expect that
there is no esophageal damage occurring or is there a
danger that I am having problems that I can longer
detect?

Much of what I have read indicates that strictures and
damage to the lining opens a new world of problems.

David


Re: GERD - If you have it, please respond here.

Posted by David Harrison on January 05, 1998 at 10:28:24:

In Reply to: Re: GERD - If you have it, please respond here. posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 10:16:49:

Your on for that bet and I hope you win. I am on day
two of the ginger root (woof).


Re: Gerd

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 05, 1998 at 11:14:06:

Dear Connie,

Just as the ginger juice will not "cure" this problem neither will the surgery. Both are just ways to temporarily eliminate your symptoms while you are learning WHY you have them & doing somnething about that.

You will not resolve this problem by just reading the chapter about your problem. The entire book works together. In the end, you MUST understand WHY you have these problems--else you will never do what needs to be done.

Walt


Trouble getting book - help

Posted by David on January 05, 1998 at 11:31:33:

I have been calling the 800-464-7034 number which
leaves me with a Bell South answering service and
a dead end.

Any suggestions for getting this asap?

Also, can anyone confirm the exactness of ingestion
of ginger root for GERD. I am taking one teaspoon
each morning with my breakfast.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

David


Re: Trouble getting book - help

Posted by Peter Wray on January 05, 1998 at 20:03:44:

In Reply to: Trouble getting book - help posted by David on January 05, 1998 at 11:31:33:

I went through the same thing and finally got through. Just be persistent. We got the book just after Christmas and it was worth the effort.

As far as the ginger juice, my wife did exactly what you are doing with great success. I know Dr. Stoll advised her that the 1 teaspoon is the amount that has in general been found to be most beneficial to most people, but you may have to experiment a bit.

Good Luck

Peter



Re: Trouble getting book - ginger for GERD?

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 09:21:30:

In Reply to: Trouble getting book - help posted by David on January 05, 1998 at 11:31:33:

Dear David,

Since we just connected by phone, I know you know about the trouble the phone company had yesterday. This has happened several times (for a few hours) over the past couple of months--ever since they reprogrammed their computers. I hope they soon figure out: "IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!" In the meantime, for anyone else having trouble; Try, try, again. So far, the trouble has never lasted more than a day.

Next: I have to re-emphasize the importance of following the directions in the book (and on the website) EXACTLY. Even though SOME people will get results by just aiming in the direction of ginger juice, most people hold me to the 100% effectiveness (as they should) but many do not follow what the Chinese have worked out for thousands of years to be the best way to do it.

Please re-read the instructions you are using. The fresh ginger juice MUST be taken on an empty stomach! If you take it with breakfast, there is a real chance that this will not work for you.

Walt



Re: GERD - crossroads

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 09:55:36:

In Reply to: Re: GERD - crossroads posted by David Harrison on January 05, 1998 at 10:25:04:

Dear David,

No one knows why the ginger works. HOWEVER, we DO know that it is not a pain killer. ANY reduction of symptoms is a measure of improvement in the actual process. That means, if you are not having symptoms, you are not having damage------from THIS condition.

One of the reasons I urge people to not JUST do the ginger is that the problems will eventually recur if the ginger is the only thing that is done. THIS is where my book becomes valuable.

Let me take this opportunity to remind readers of my book that THEY CANNOT JUST READ THE CHAPTER ABOUT HIATUS HERNIA TO RES0LVE THIS PROBLEM.

The whole book works as a tool to resolve many problems but one cannot cure arthritis by reading the chapter about arthritis; colitis by reading the chapter about colitis, allergy by reading the chapter about allergy, etc. They need the whole book.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Walt



GERD and ginger juice

Posted by Jan on January 06, 1998 at 13:07:08:

I have been taking one teaspoon of ginger juice upon arising for three days and I have been free of acid discomfort. However, yesterday the symptoms returned and continue today. Am I doing something wrong or is this common this early in the ginger juice regimen?


Re: GERD and ginger juice

Posted by Lee on January 06, 1998 at 23:57:19:

In Reply to: GERD and ginger juice posted by Jan on January 06, 1998 at 13:07:08:

I started 3 days ago, too, and have the same experience as you. Are you taking an acid blocker,like axid, or pepcid?


Re: Gerd

Posted by Lee on January 07, 1998 at 00:07:24:

connie, what are the symptoms of esophageal erosion?


Re: GERD - If you have it, please respond here.

Posted by lee on January 07, 1998 at 00:25:50:

In Reply to: GERD - If you have it, please respond here. posted by David Harrison on January 04, 1998 at 13:22:42:

WHO? 51 yr. old, female, 16 yr. relationship, stable
WHEN DID GERD START? About 2 years ago, with a full blown attack 1.5 yr ago, at the height of a very stressful work season.
WORK? produce events; production is a high stress profession.
EXERCISE: vigorous walks,but not real regular, sometimes 3 x's a week, sometimes none.
DIET: always have had a pretty healthy diet, heavey on veg, low on sweets.

HABITS? nothing particular

SLEEP? sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night, and sometimes I don't.

FAMILY HISTORY OF GERD? NO

KNOWN BACERTIAL INFECTIONS: have had surgery for gum disease, and have a low level of infection right now; I noted that others who responded also have had gum disease.

POINTS OF INTEREST: I have a "tense stomach" to which I feel intuitivly is linked to GERD, and I think it is mostly a mental/stress thing, and less a germ, virus, or physical thing. It doesn't seem to be related to what I eat. Current attack "came out of the blue." If has mainly effected by voice, which is really, really hoarse; the "burning" feeling is more annoyance than discomfort. In fact, if my voice wasn't effected, I'd hardly notice or carer about the reflux.

Spiritual: not too much
I appreciate that you are gathering this info. Thanks.


Re: GERD and ginger juice

Posted by David Harrison on January 07, 1998 at 06:19:16:

In Reply to: GERD and ginger juice posted by Jan on January 06, 1998 at 13:07:08:

I have had the same experience that both you and Lee have had. I am on day four today and after a couple days of feeling some relief, I awoke early this morning with strong symptoms.

All I have read on this BB indicates the full three weeks of ginger is needed and there may some that need a little more of a run. Symptoms for most seem to subside in less than three weeks. I am expecting a bumpy ride to wellness given it took me a lifetime to get here.

Please keep in touch with this BB in regards to your progress. I would really like to hear more success stories.

Thanks

David





Re: GERD and ginger juice

Posted by David Harrison on January 07, 1998 at 06:24:23:

In Reply to: Re: GERD and ginger juice posted by Lee on January 06, 1998 at 23:57:19:

Hi Lee,

Thanks for providing your profile on a previous post. Just thought I would mention that I am currently taking prilosec twice daily during the ginger regimen. I have been taking propulsid for the past two weeks but dropped yesterday. I also take shots of milanta during bad moments ... usually an hour or so after a meal or in the middle of the night.

David


GERD

Posted by Jan on January 09, 1998 at 14:43:24:

My main GERD symptom is acid that comes up into my throat especially after eating. I have been doing the ginger regimen for six days now and find that I have had to increase my medication because the acid seems to have increased. Is it possible that ginger can exacerbate certain symptoms? I would appreciate any advice since I really don't want to return to the doctor. Thanks.


Re: GERD - If you have it, please respond here.

Posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 09, 1998 at 16:13:17:

In Reply to: GERD - If you have it, please respond here. posted by David Harrison on January 04, 1998 at 13:22:42:


Have tried it all, including a 3/4 wrap. Is there anything that can be done to alleviate those horrible episodes of pain. Is there some kind of "magic liquid" that will sooth the esophagus when some acid splashes up to it?

Thanks,

Fred

ps. I've just sent for the book


GERD / Food intolerance?

Posted by David Harrison on January 11, 1998 at 07:33:54:

Dear Dr. Stoll,

I have been reading about some folks diagnosed with GERD for many years only to find they have had a gluten or lactose intolerance.

Do you recommend an exclusionary diet or testing to rule out this type of issue?

David


Re: GERD

Posted by David Harrison on January 11, 1998 at 10:42:26:

In Reply to: GERD posted by Jan on January 09, 1998 at 14:43:24:

Hi Jan,

It really sounds like you're struggling with this treatment and your GERD. While I have seen incredible improvement since day two of the ginger regimen, I am far from cured. I cannot say that I have had an increase in the amount of acid coming up at this point, just my throat symptoms.

A couple of questions for you, if you wouldn't mind.

Are you still taking the ginger today and on an empty stomach?

Are you experiencing substantial stress?

Are you drinking milk?

Is your diet the strict GERD diet?

David


Re: GERD

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 11, 1998 at 10:47:36:

In Reply to: GERD posted by Jan on January 09, 1998 at 14:43:24:

Dear Jan,

I am sure that this is not the first time that you have seen your symptoms increase for no understandable reason. GERD is a condition of remissions & exacerbations with or without treatment.

It is impossible for the ginger to make you worse and it is much too soon for you to be seeing substantive improvement with the ginger.

In the end, much depends upon how powerful the causitive factors are that are causing your GERD & LGS. This will determine how long it takes for you to feel better without exacerbation AND how long till it comes back if you do nothing about the real causes.

Walt



Re: GERD - If you have it, please respond here.

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 11, 1998 at 10:51:36:

In Reply to: Re: GERD - If you have it, please respond here. posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 09, 1998 at 16:13:17:

Dear Fred,

Gaviscon is the only known substance that will "bandaid" your symptoms once the acid has "splashed up onto the non-resistant esophageal mucosa.

If you have read about the ginger juice remedy, you know that you don't have to suffer these symptoms anyhow. Use the search feature provided with this BB & read everything you can find about GERD or Hiatus Hernia. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Gut Feeling

Posted by James Zintz on January 11, 1998 at 11:37:00:

The beginning of awakening came early on, but I did not recognize it. I was too involved focusing on diet. Gone was the extra forty pounds, the edema, the hypertension, the sinus congestion, the headaches, the depression, the sleep disturbance, the arthritis, and the GERD (and the dozens of symptoms associated with it).

Ginger juice and a whole food diet had done all this. Meditation and exercise were the drudgery things I would reluctantly do, because they were, after all, part of the package. Everyone knows they are good for you. Ah, but diet had done the job, that and the supplements, had they not? No, they had not.

In the elimination diet I was symptom-free. I would gradually add foods, relishing every new addition. Just as I thought everything was perfect, I would congratulate myself and post a significant victory on the board. Then I would reach a point where my joints would tell me I had consumed an offending food. So I would eliminate again, get rid of symptoms, and start again in a different order. Same thing. I did this yo yo act for several months and kept running into a wall (though I was a million times better than when I started). I began to think I would be forced into a diet of sweet potatoes and white fish forever. Yuck.

I plodded along in meditating, using a combination of TM and progressive muscle relaxation. Some sessions were effortless and refreshing, and some were difficult with no apparent results. Still I trudged on, mainly because of the dietary difficulty. I noticed that several things would happen with my body during meditation, usually in the same order. First my stomach would begin to gurgle, then I would feel crackling in the area of my sinus cavities, then my hands would begin to tingle. Amusing, for sure, but I was more concerned about the diet.

Gradually, my meditating sessions began to deepen a little. By "gradual" I mean over several months. I began to notice areas of constant muscle tension. I found that by putting my attention into these areas and doing what I can only describe as a focused surrender I could create some very strange sensations inside my abdomen and stomach. (Which I now identify as relaxation) (Duh.) (Blush.) I have discovered that my breathing changes drastically while meditating. It is nothing I do on purpose. It changes to a really slow and deep pattern by itself.

It is clear to me now that what I am doing is getting at the cause of the symptoms, the leaky gut. Diet only stopped the symptoms temporarily. Now I understand, Walt, what you meant by moving the cliff back. I could only step back a little ways, not far enough to get out of danger. I KNOW that the sensation of warming hands, clearing sinuses, and relaxing stomach is healing my digestive system, I can feel it.

I have stopped eliminating foods, except dairy and meat, which I do by choice. I eat a whole foods diet, low in salt and fat. Simple and easy now. That is no longer my main focus. Now it is learning about stress, how I handle it, removing it, changing some patterns, pursuing that elusive feeling of joy I remember. It had been a long time.

I would say to anyone who reads this who had eliminated the symptoms of GERD, for instance, DO NOT GET TOO SMUG, your journey may just be starting.

Jim



Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Mary Jackson on January 11, 1998 at 12:12:21:

In Reply to: Gut Feeling posted by James Zintz on January 11, 1998 at 11:37:00:

Hi Everyone,

The relation between diet and relaxation may be a two-way street. I have been finding lately by being nice to my digestive tract I have been finding more relaxation. I've been trying to feed the nerves that move the bowels, increase my intake of vitamin A foods for mucosal health, and eliminate things like spicy foods that bother my innards. I'm finding that I'm probably not dumping out the stress hormones as much as I try to tune into my gastric well-being. Mary J. (the meditation sounds good too)


Re: GERD

Posted by lee on January 11, 1998 at 15:05:24:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by karen on November 07, 1997 at 21:51:15:

Karen: I'd be interested in any information you have about the esophagael sphincter not closing? all I have been able to to gather is that is "loses tone" however, since it is an involuntary muscle, how does it regain tone? I've heard that smoking reduces the tone. Any info you may have would be appreciated. Thank you. Lee EMIworker1@aol.com.


Fundoplication Surgery

Posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 11, 1998 at 21:24:30:

I have the worst case of Gerd. I have had two Endoscopy procedures, another that needs to have tubes stuck down your throat to measure something or other, upper GI, acidity tests, 24 hour PH, Manometry and a 3/4 wrap Fundoplication. None of this stopped the horrible pain I get, for no apparent reason, of GERD.

I am able to get a little relief when my wife applies accupressure, and I sit still for 5-30 minutes without moving. And now I am trying the Ginger Root.

I watch my diet, eat small meals and still I ahve these attacks. Is there anyone out there who can relate to this?


Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Linda Hynds on January 12, 1998 at 11:14:11:

In Reply to: Re: Gut Feeling posted by Mary Jackson on January 11, 1998 at 12:12:21:

I cannot add anything to the wonderful insights in the other postings except that we are holistic beings, body, mind and spirit and one part does not function without the other and all parts are affected by the others. So, when we seem focused on one area, we are indeed effecting change in all areas. As we grow, we learn to trust and read our body's signs better, and perhaps, it is in reading these signs, that we may shift our focus appropriately. Linda



Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Peter Wray on January 12, 1998 at 13:06:07:

Dr. Stoll,
As you know Linda has been dealing with a variety of ailments. The whole food diet seems to have helped significantly with the joint and muscle pain, but the pain in her lower right abdomin is still there. So far IVP, 2 ultrasounds, upper GI, and an abdominal flat plate xray have been negative. She is booked for a barium enema.

The only thing that seems to help is heat and laying flat on her back.

The onset coincided with beginning to take an herbal fiber product.

We are both persuing skilled relaxation but it is tough to fit resources right now given the ice storm that we are in the midst of. I'm sure this will have a very beneficial effect in the long run.

Are there other considerations that she should look into as far as diagnosis.

Thanks

Peter

PS - thanks for reading my web site. I am not sure if you received my message to that effect. Our internet connections have been rather sporadic over the past week.



Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on January 12, 1998 at 13:16:36:

In Reply to: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 12, 1998 at 13:06:07:

I posted previously of a 14 yr old boy I had as a patient with severe abdominal pains that seemed to be from nothing. He had been scoped and medicated and bariumed and poked and prodded. He had not been to school in weeks.

On a suggestion from an uncle they brought him in as a patient. I found vertebral subluxations at T-9,10,11. After 2 adjustments he has never had the pain again.

It is surmised that the nerve interference of these subluxations caused the smooth muscles of the intestines to be overstimulated and contract.

Not sure it will work for everyone but when it does it looks like a miracle. The boy was scheduled for exploratory surgery and anti-depressent medication, of course neiter was needed.

The only way to know if this is what is causing the problem is to try the solution.

Hope this helps.


Gerd

Posted by Donald Talbert on January 12, 1998 at 18:05:47:

I have had gerd and panic attacks now for 8 months but just recently the pain in my chest has become unbearable I can even move when this pain is there Xray and Ekg are negative My doctor thinks it is because of my stomach but the pain is right over my heart I was wondering if there is any other cause for this?? thanks
DON


Re: Gerd

Posted by David Harrison on January 12, 1998 at 18:45:57:

In Reply to: Gerd posted by Donald Talbert on January 12, 1998 at 18:05:47:

Dear Don,

I would like to jump in here and say while it certainly could be something else, your symptoms sound too familiar to me and many others that read this BB. I suggest you do a search on GERD here at this site using the search tool provided. You will get both a quick education on GERD and insight into others plights with your symptoms.

I have been to the ER and checked by many doctors who were not able to conclude I had digestive problems for a three year period. They always jumped on my heart or anxiety. My heart was always suspect because of the severe pains in my chest, back left shoulder blade, left arm and neck. Anxiety was pointed to because of my throat symptoms.

The last six months my symptoms have been with me every day and I have missed over a month of work. During the worst weeks it was all I could do to sit still at 45 degrees and suffer.

Read the entries at this site on GERD to see if it sounds familiar to you and help yourself move away from your torment. If your problem is GERD, the first step to your recovery is here.

Dr. Stoll will answer your questions but this site already offers you your foundation for learning.

Please feel free to contact me offline at my email addr.

Sincerely

David


Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Eric Brown on January 12, 1998 at 22:43:08:

In Reply to: Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ? posted by dick Glassberg on December 11, 1997 at 07:59:42:

I have a similar yet different scenario....I have a spot three inches up from naval and six inches to the right that gives me a tingling/burning sensation most of the time. The kicker is that it radiates around my right side to give me ungodly amounts of cramping type pains. I have had...Upper GI, Catscan, Ultrasound, Physical therapy, altered diet..I give up. Any suggestions?

also: If it matters..I am taking Prilosec for esophegal reflux.


Re: Gerd

Posted by Lee on January 13, 1998 at 05:18:01:

In Reply to: Re: Gerd posted by David Harrison on January 12, 1998 at 18:45:57:

A long time ago, I heard on Dr. Dean Edell's radio program that saliva neutralizes the acid, and I think he said that chewing gum would accomplish this.


Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Peter Wray on January 13, 1998 at 09:41:52:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on January 12, 1998 at 13:16:36:

Thanks for the information David. This may very well be the route we should take. I just read your response to my wife and she said "that's interesting because I feel a tightness in my hip too and this sometimes moves down to my right leg".

An interesting piece of information is the fact that she is feeling significantly worse today after straying from a Perfect Whole Food Diet. She had a coffee and a piece of whole wheat bread. I make the bread so I know it is near perfect (in an ingredient sense). It does contain honey as a sweetner. Linda has had allergy testing that indicated an allergy to wheat and coffee. Seems that the allergies certianly have something to do with this.

I'm not sure what the connections are between these kinds of allergic reactions and the kind of chiropractic treatments/diagnosis. I am still trying to understand the field of chiropractic. If you have any suggested reading I'd really appreciate it.

David and/or Walt, what does one look for in a good chiropractor?

Thanks

Peter



Re: Fundoplication Surgery

Posted by Jane on January 13, 1998 at 12:46:07:

In Reply to: Fundoplication Surgery posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 11, 1998 at 21:24:30:

I can relate to the pain and condition. I have been diagnosed with Barrett's esophagus. I have not had the surgery but am considering it, so I would like to hear more about where yours was done and more about the experience and dissatisfaction. Thanks.


Re: GERD and ginger juice

Posted by Jane on January 13, 1998 at 12:52:14:

In Reply to: Re: GERD and ginger juice posted by David Harrison on January 07, 1998 at 06:24:23:

I have Barrett's and am trying the ginger juice along with green tea, slippery elm. The doctor has put me on prilosec but says it is short term only because it can cause cancer. I am really hoping for the ginger and other natural products to have an effect.


Re: GERD

Posted by Jan on January 13, 1998 at 16:52:20:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Walt Stoll on January 11, 1998 at 11:39:17:

I understand that ginger juice has been effective for some people and I was hoping that it would be for me. However since I stopped using it my symptoms have improved dramatically. I am seeing a Chinese acupuncturist/herbalist who said that ginger is not appropriate for my condition.


Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Peter Wray on January 13, 1998 at 16:57:39:

In Reply to: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 12, 1998 at 13:06:07:

We just got the results of the ultrasound. They found a 15 mm cyst on the right ovary, but don't believe this could be the cause of the pain. I'm not sure why they don't believe this could be the cause of the pain as we haven't had an opportunity to speak with our GP.

Any suggestions as to how to treat cysts?

Thanks

Peter



Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on January 13, 1998 at 18:46:59:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 13, 1998 at 09:41:52:

rying to explain the mechanism with out using words like somatoautonomic and many others that you would not be familiar with would be very hard to do and takes about 10 pages, even if you do know what the words mean.

I can tell you that the balance between the sympathetic and parasympathetic portions of the autonomic nervous system are what most of it revolves around. Achieving this balance is fairly easy to do where it relates to the spine.

As far as understanding chiropractic, it's basis is that everyone is born with the ability to heal themselves and that there must be a reason why two people walking the same path would end with one sick and the other not. Why does one twin get a cold and the other not if they are in the same rooms all day long. It boils down to the health of that person prior to the illness. How strong is the immune system. Chiropractic has found that almost all diseases can be cured or prevented if you find out what it is that is stressing the body. Is it a bad diet? Is it too much stress? etc.. We have also come to realize the large correlation that exists between the spine, the stress it puts on the nervous system, and way the nervous system reacts. The confusion of the nervous system by way of the spine was the original concern. Since the advent of antibiotics and medications that mask symptoms, chiropractic has been somewhat pigeon holed as a back pain treatment. Since they could mask or rid 90% of the people with their problm chiropractics idea of preventative medicine fell by the wayside. Even if we could get rid of the cause of the problem in this same 90% it takes longer and people want NOW. Also, medicine has the money and political power which it used to try and destroy chiropractic by launching a campaingn that goes so deep that the AMA was sued and lost in the supreme court, along with 10 other medical societies against a group of chiropracors for Antitrust. (The book Medicine, Monopolies, and Malice by Chester Wilk tells the whole story, good reading) We now get back pain, educated people, and "our last hope" people.

"Why prevent what you can just wait and fix" was the new health mentality in the 50's. Things are changing but now chiropractic has two facets. One is backpain, headaches, etc..and the other consists of treating these organic conditions as well. So when hunting for a chiropractor you will find one who either does all or just backpain. It is estimated that 8% of all chiropractic patients are there for one of these organic conditions.

So as far as picking one, I would suggest asking around and calling them up directly and telling them your situation and playing it by instinct. Someone who charges the most and does a lot of "extra" things like PT and Rehab(sometimes just to hike up the price) is probably best avoided. Not true in every case though.

Ask them if they think chiropractic can help this problem. If they say yes they are probably well trained to do so. If not then maybe they are mainly a musculo-skeletal based practitioner.

As far as the connection between the food allergies and chiropractic in regards to this I am not completely sure. I do know that if this nervous system dysfunction is occuring the food intake of the body is sometimes "confused". This happens frequently with hay fever and sinus allergies. The body sees the dust, pollen, mold as a threat and reacts. Once the "phone lines are open" the body reacts much better.


Good luck and feel free to ask anything else.



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by David Harrison on January 14, 1998 at 12:37:16:

Dear Lois,

You are not alone and there is hope for you. Start by doing a search on GERD at this bulletin board. All your questions should be answered.

I would be happy to share my similar story with you, just email me back. I am on day 11 of implementing Dr. Stoll's Ginger Root treatment and on day 10 of feeling MUCH better.

Sincerely,

David


Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Deborah Brown on January 14, 1998 at 12:51:11:

In Reply to: Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ? posted by Walt Stoll on November 12, 1997 at 10:50:43:

Dear Dr. Stoll,

I was so glad to see that someone else in this world has a
problem the same as mine. I have suffered from severe
pain, gatrointestinal distress, and bloating for the past 5
years and noone can tell me what is wrong with me. The
pain stays mostly in my right side just under my ribs and can
radiate down to my lower right side. I've had upper GI's,
lower GI's, sonograms, CAT Scans, you name it I've
had it and paid for it!!! I've heard everything from irritable
bowel syndrome, gallbladder, spastic and packed colon.
Recently the pain got so severe in my right side that it was
thought that I had appendicitis, but just like everytime I've
ever had test done, it came back normal.

Until I read these pages on the internet, I was beginning
to think I was going crazy because Doctors could never
find anything wrong, even when my stomach would swell
up as if I was pregnant. Like I said, I have lived with
this pain for five years and I would really appreciate it if
you have any suggestions for me also. It's so bad that
my husband worries that something is going to happen
to me and I'm not exactly a pleasent person when I feel
like this. Glad to know I'm not going crazy...




Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Deborah Brown on January 14, 1998 at 12:56:11:

In Reply to: Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ? posted by Deborah Brown on January 14, 1998 at 12:51:11:


I wrote a note concerning my stomach problems, and I
noticed I typed E-Mail address incorrectly. Hope this
gets to you with my correct E-Mail address.

Thanks for your time...


Re: GERD

Posted by Becky Tomei on January 14, 1998 at 21:19:22:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Greg Kreger on October 29, 1997 at 23:58:05:

I have a hyenial hernia, and have been taking zantac for 2 years, nothing seems to help. I have a lot of acid in my throat, my tounge cracks open, ulcers on my tounge, have trouble with bowels, and I am miserable. Dr just put me on prevacid. Is there any other help you can think of?



Re: GERD

Posted by James Zintz on January 14, 1998 at 22:28:04:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Becky Tomei on January 14, 1998 at 21:19:22:

Becky,

It might be helpful for you to go to Dr. Stoll's home Page and check it out. I think there is a lot of valuable information for what you are describing. I had many of the same symptoms and found no help from conventional medicine for years. Using the methods recommended my Dr. Stoll,all the digestive symptoms have now disappeared. I didn't have to take any medication to do this, and I no longer need antacids, anti depressants, tranquilizers, muscle relaxants, steroids, and whatever the other stuff was that they had me taking.

Good Luck,

Jim




Re: GERD / Food intolerance?

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 10:56:17:

In Reply to: GERD / Food intolerance? posted by David Harrison on January 11, 1998 at 07:33:54:

Dear David,

Wonderful question! It gives me another opportunity to try to get people to not look at GERD as an isolated condition. Except in very rare instances (in which the GERD was caused by a severe auto accident or the like) ALL GERD is but one aspect of the LGS I have been talking about for so long. It is the ramifications of the LGS that causes some people to see symptom improvement by altering diet NOT improvement of the GERD itself (other than the fact that ANY improvement in general reserves will help everything).
You have my book. I hope it helps you see the interconnectedness of all this. If you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 11:20:52:

In Reply to: Gut Feeling posted by James Zintz on January 11, 1998 at 11:37:00:

Dear Jim,

Your testimonial is SO typical of those persons willing to "stick to it", I wonder if you would be willing for us to take it AS IS to the homepage & enter it as an example of someone who did it right AND UNDERESTANDS IT.

Your efforts, & willingness to share them with others (warts & all), is a great resource for those others wondering if there really IS an answer out there for them---there IS but only if they are willing to expend the effort you have shared with us.

Thank you so much. Please let us know if we can make your testimonial a permanent part of my effort with this website.

Namaste` Walt

P.S. You are now well on your way to wellness. However, even now, your journey is but beginning. You ARE past the hardest part but the future is bright indeed if you will persist in learning & practicing. NOW your example will shine on those around you so they will not be able to hide from the fact that there IS another way.

You can understand why the AMA is desperate to keep this information from the public. NOW, you can do as well as anyone helping others open their eyes. The AMA hates competition!


Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 11:44:55:

In Reply to: Re: Gut Feeling posted by Mary Jackson on January 11, 1998 at 12:12:21:

Dear Mary,

As you well know, EVERYTHING works together. NONE of this stuff works in isolation for very long.

Thanks for your insights.

Walt



Re: Fundoplication Surgery

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 13:26:10:

In Reply to: Fundoplication Surgery posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 11, 1998 at 21:24:30:

Dear Fred,

I am glad that you ordered a copy of my book since, even though the ginger juice (done correctly) will certainly help, you will have to understand the rest of your causes sufficiently to keep it from coming back.

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 13:30:42:

In Reply to: Re: Gut Feeling posted by Linda Hynds on January 12, 1998 at 11:14:11:

Hi Linda,

Thanks for your insights. Why not tell the BB participants a little of what you are doing with them to help others with your business?

Walt

P.S. Do I have bragging rights here? Can I tell people that I delivered your kids? Oops.



Re: GERD

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 13:48:42:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Jan on January 13, 1998 at 16:52:20:

Dear Jan,

I would be very interested in how your acupuncturist came to that conclusion. Do you have a very different condition than GERD? Does s/he think that you were misdiagnosed?

The ginger juice remedy is the classical remedy from more than 4000 years of Classical Chinese Medicine for this condition. The only way for him/her to be right is that his/her examination on the spot has determined that you do not have GERD at all.

Humans are NOT machines, in spite of what the conventional medical monopoly would like us to believe. People are too different to say that any one remedy will work for everyone. As I have said from the beginning, I fully expect that someday I will find someone with GERD that the ginger root will not help. Perhaps you are that person. All I CAN say is that, in more than 15 years, you would be the first.

Any acupuncturist worth her/his salt will tell you what else you need to do to maintain any benefits the acupuncture has produced. If they work, they are being applied to the causes of your condition--whatever it is.

HOWEVER, that has nothing to do with someone saying that pure ginger juice is not appropriate for GERD. That simply is not true. If you understood what s/he said, I would be suspicious of other advice given by that person (if s/he agrees that you, indeed, have GERD). If s/he is saying that you do not have GERD, I would like to know what s/e says you DO have. I am always open to learning something new & there is no way I can make a diagnosis from here.

Walt



Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 14:35:08:

In Reply to: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 12, 1998 at 13:06:07:

DEra Peter,

Did you get my rather lengthy note to you about your website? If not, I need to at least congratulate you on a good job & see if we can link our sites. I would like to refer people to your wisdom.

I think she needs not only a barium enema but a total colonoscopy as well. Please share with us what is found. If NOTHING is found with either one of those procedures, I may be able to help more. However, she definitely needs more information about her cecum.

Walt



Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 14:37:32:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on January 12, 1998 at 13:16:36:

Dear Doc Dave,

Thanks for coming to my rescue again. I would not have thought of that even though I can recall the Chiropractor who worked with me in my office trying to teach me about that years ago.

I still would like to see the results of the colonoscopy & BE.

Walt



Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 16:18:56:

In Reply to: Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ? posted by Eric Brown on January 12, 1998 at 22:43:08:

Dear Eric,

Why not get rid of your GERD symptoms? Use the search feature of this BB & read evcerythingn you can find about GERD.

Your abdominal symptoms would be resolved by Chiropractic or acupuncture.

Walt





Re: Gerd

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 16:23:50:

In Reply to: Re: Gerd posted by Lee on January 13, 1998 at 05:18:01:

Dear Lee,

I would LOVE to hear from anyone who solved this problem by chewing gum. For one thing, chewing gum greatly INCREASES the acid production of the stomach.

Walt

P.S. Saliva IS mildly alkaline so there is a grain of truth in the fact that saliva might neutralize a tiny bit of stomach acid--perhaps 1/1000th of the amount the actual chewing would produce. (sigh)





Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 16:26:01:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 13, 1998 at 09:41:52:

Dear Peter,

I am not surprised to hear that there are associated symptoms that fit together.

Doc Dave would answer your question about quality Chiropractic better than I can. I may want to add to whatever he says.

Walt



Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 16:27:56:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 13, 1998 at 16:57:39:

Deaer Peter,

I, too, cannot imagine that the cystic condition would cause her symptoms. You would be interested to know that, in MY experience, candida is the most correctable cause of ovarian cysts.

Walt



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Bob Mc Michael on January 16, 1998 at 08:08:17:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by David Harrison on January 14, 1998 at 12:37:16:


David: I see your name in here quite often on this subject and have contacted you by e-mail, but am wondering if anyone else has the same problem I am having. I am losing my voice, have been diagnosed as having GERD, but seem to have none of the other symptoms such as heartburn, I don't seem to have a frequent acid burn in my throat, but x-rays showed that the valve above my stomach was not working all the time. Does anyone else experience speech loss ?


Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Linda Hynds on January 16, 1998 at 11:26:12:

In Reply to: Re: Gut Feeling posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 13:30:42:

Yes, it's true! Walt delivered three of our 4 children. In my mind, he has always been a very special physician and that is probably why we have managed to keep in touch over the years. I admire him for his holistic views. In fact, he advised me many years ago to read Kenneth Pelletier's book and that is what got me started in teaching stress management.

I have always incorporated this is my work as a Public Health Nurse and Pediatric Nurse Practitioner. I had 5 years experience in working with Children's Protective Services. I developed and taught a parenting program which included classes on Getting in Touch With Feelings, Grieving and Stress Management (not exactly your typical parenting class topics!). I have been learning a great deal from this BB. I have always taught that stress affects the digestive system, but I really did not know to what a great extent! Wow, we are on the cutting edge, aren't we? I appreciate being able to learn and share experiences with all of you.

I have just started in my own business,teaching stress management through seminars and workshops. My basic workshop consists of 1-1 1/2 hrs. discussing stress and our perceptions of it and the effect on the body, mind and spirit. This is followed by 1-1 1/2 hrs. of learning and practicing relaxation techniques. As a follow-up, I will do relaxation practice workshops and enhancement workshops regarding music, color and aromatherapy, all of which last 1-2 hours. If anyone wants more information, you may e-mail me at kickstress@aol.com. I thank you, Walt, for allowing me to pass this info on to all your readers.

I know I'm taking alot of space, but there is one more thing I must say. This journey into wellness of body, mind and spirit is not an easy one. It might be easier if that is all one had to do. Yes, we do need to learn to set priorities, but sometimes self does not top the list. Take care, my friends, and realize that every LITTLE thing we do helps and is a step in the right direction. Don't beat yourself up or set unrealistic expectations. Trust in yourself, try to eat better and take supplements, meditate and trust you Higher Power, however you perceive him/her, and try to practice your relaxation some everyday. I've been teaching this for eighteen years and I still don't have it right! Life is not perfect and neither are we.
Love yourselves and have a good day. Linda

P.S. Thanks again,Walt. You are a true friend.


Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 16, 1998 at 18:17:09:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on January 13, 1998 at 18:46:59:

Dear Doc Dave,

You make me homesick for the days when a Chiropractor worked with me in my office every day. I miss the wisdom of combining our philosophies. It is a damn crime that the jealous AMA has done everything it could (legal & illegal) to prevent that from happening.

You CANNOT know how grateful I am for your participation on this BB. I hope people appreciate what a wonderful resource you are.

Walt



Re: Fundoplication Surgery

Posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 16, 1998 at 19:20:19:

In Reply to: Re: Fundoplication Surgery posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 13:26:10:

Well I've been on the Ginger Root now for 6 days, and no noticable difference.

Questions;
Should it be taken on an empty stomach
Can I chase it with water, or some other food or drink
If it isn't working, should I increase the dose
Can I add something to it to make it more palatable
Does it lose its potency over time

Thanks for listening

Fred



Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Peter Wray on January 16, 1998 at 23:04:56:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 16:27:56:

As far as we know nothing serious has shown-up on the BE. I base that on the fact that it was done Thursday morning and read later that day. We were told that if any thing serious were discovered, we would be told immediately, so my assumption may be a bit premature.

New information came from OB/GYN who was able to feel the cyst and, in his opion, this could very well be the cause of the pain. He discribed the lower back/menstrual pain that it began with, some nausea (this was fairly minor for Linda) and the radiating pain down her right leg. He has suggested birth control pills for a month and then a follow-up ultrasound.

My comment that the Radiologist didn't feel a cyst of this size could be causing this degree of pain was actually incorrect. The Radiologist reported the position, type and size of the cyst, but it was Linda's GP who felt this couldn't be the cause of her pain.

So it is still a bit of a mystery. A bit confusing with conflicting opinions. Somehow we tend to feel that the OB/GYN's physical examination gives a bit more weight to his opinion.

One course of action is to try the birth control pills for a month and see if that has an impact on the pain. Are there other more natural ways to reduce an ovarian cyst?

Thanks

Peter


Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Peter Wray on January 16, 1998 at 23:15:32:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 14:35:08:

Dear Dr. Stoll,
I did receive your message regarding my site and appreciated it very much. To a great extent I feel like I am exposing myself to the world and it is good to know that what I have expressed is accepted by those I respect. I would be very pleased to have my site linked from these pages. Please feel free to do so.

I did send you a rather lengthy note in reply, but I am not certain how much of my email has been getting out during the ice storm, so I may be repeating myself here.

After searching your book for the chapters on "Disorders of Mood, Mind..." and "Irritable Bowel Syndrome ..." I realized they are not in the copy that I have. There are two other chapters that are repeated in their place. If possible, would you be able to forward those chapters to me via email?

Also, we will be in Florida from March 9-23 (and REALLY looking forward to the only ice I see being in my lemonade). Would you be available for a personal consultation during the later portion of that period? We will be in Melbourne which I believe is some distance from Panama City, but we would like to at least explore the possibility.

Thanks

Peter



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 17, 1998 at 09:23:15:

Dear Lois,

These symptoms are those of GERD (used to be called Hiatus Hernia). If you will use the search feature of this site, you will find more about GERD than you want to know but at least your symptome will be gone.

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 17, 1998 at 09:28:47:

In Reply to: Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ? posted by Deborah Brown on January 14, 1998 at 12:51:11:

Dear Deborah,

What you need right now is knowledge, not another treatment suggestion. However, Doc Dave, the Chiropractor on this BB, probably has some initial suggestions for you.

My first suggestion would be for you to read a copy of my new book (link below) so we can discuss this on a more productive level. There is little doubt in MY mind what is going on but to try to explain it to you without your having some idea what is going on would be an exercise in frustration for us both.

Walt





Re: GERD

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 17, 1998 at 10:09:47:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Becky Tomei on January 14, 1998 at 21:19:22:

Dear Becky,

ALL of your symptoms are just signs of Leaky Gut Syndrome. If you are to get well, you are going to have to learn how they are all connected. My book would be the easiest way to get started down that path (link below).

In the meantime, you could at least get rid of your GERD symptoms by using the search feature for this BB & reading everything you need about GERD and LGS.

Walt



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 17, 1998 at 10:17:34:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Bob Mc Michael on January 16, 1998 at 08:08:17:

Dear Bob,

Two others have reported this same combination of symptoms within the past few weeks. I responded to them both since this is a common combination (neither one causing the other) related by their common BASIC causation. You will have to understand this basic causation before you are likely to be willing to do what resolves both.

Use the search feature provided for this BB & read everything about GERD, hoarseness, etc, for the past few weeks.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again. Both these symptoms are totally unnecessary. Your GERD symptoms will respond within 3 weeks but your hoarseness will take 6-12 months of an effective skilled relaxation technique.

Walt



Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Jim on January 17, 1998 at 10:25:25:

In Reply to: Re: Gut Feeling posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 11:20:52:

Walt,

It will be all right if you use the statement. Two things I had to think about. I like participating on the board. In a way it has been a big part of my recovery. I have learned so much from reading your responses, and my own posting on the board has been helpful, maybe in the same way meetings and self acknowledgment is important in AA. Although alcohol has not been a problem for me, I have come to realize what an addiction eating is, an unconscious one. (And I see it all around me every day in the lunch room.) But the thing is, my posts sink to the bottom of the page, eventually to disappear into some electronic black hole. That is a comfort to me since what I write often seems like foolish gibberish after a time. But if you think that what I wrote is a message you want to preserve, then I will trust your judgment.

My message to GERD sufferers is twofold.

1. You CAN get rid of your symptoms (and without medication)
2. It is just the beginning. These symptoms will be back if you don't continue the journey.

The other thing I thought is, OOPS, Zintz is my nick-name. Well, to some anyhow. Jimmy the Zintz I have been called. (long story) It is the address of my HoTMaiL and a name I often use on the Net. My more official name is Hare, so I suppose you'll have to use that if you are going to use my name. It wouldn't be ethical to post testimonials from fictitious folks now would it? So I guess I can come out of the closet.

This brings up another issue I want to post one of these days. I am amazed by the reaction I have been getting from friends and acquaintances about the physical changes they see in me. I have found that getting healthy is not always supported by those around you, in fact, often not. But that is for another time.

You have my permission to use the post. I want to support what you are doing.

Vaya con Dios

Jim





Re: GERD

Posted by Jim on January 17, 1998 at 10:48:42:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1997 at 14:11:35:

Donna,

If you haven't done so already, click on the post you made on the board and scroll down below it and read all the follow-ups. It will open your eyes.

I can tell you, as I was once a fellow sufferer (if it is you and not someone else you are asking about) that you don't have to have this annoying disease. But you are going to have to cure it yourself. You will find that GERD is a symptom of what is causing it.

Good hunting.

Jim




Re: GERD

Posted by Linda on January 17, 1998 at 12:41:39:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Walt Stoll on November 08, 1997 at 16:48:28:

Dear Walt,

I have reflux desease with severe esophageal spasms. I am on Axid and antispasmatic medication. I feel like I'm being strangled almost all the time. Nothing seems to help.

Linda



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Arlene on January 17, 1998 at 23:10:31:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Bob Mc Michael on January 17, 1998 at 09:03:37:

Dear Bob,

Several months ago, I wrote to Dr. Stoll about a very similar problem. I too, was losing my voice. However, I am an actress, singer - and this was extremely dangerous for me. When I went to the throat doctor, he diagnosed me with GERD, but I didn't take it seriously, because I did not have any burning in my stomach. Needless to say, I saw countless doctors, who did nothing for me except make me poorer. It was only after reading Dr. Stoll's book and being in touch with some of Dr. Stoll's affiliates, that I began to get a "handle" on my situation. Definitely, STRESS is a major factor in our problem. Coming to terms with "your" particular stress, is critical in terms of recovery. I am doing better now, but I am still not 100% out of the woods. When I can really do Dr. Stoll's skilled relaxation techniques twice a day, I have a feeling that I will solve most of my GERD problem.

E-mail me if you have any more questions.

Hope this helped.

Stay well, keep smiling and all the best.

Arlene


Re: GERD

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1997 at 14:11:35:

In Reply to: GERD posted by Donna L. Morgan on January 17, 1997 at 23:09:13:

Dear Donna,

What is GERD?

Walt


Surgery

Posted by A.Trueblood on January 18, 1998 at 03:27:49:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Walt Stoll on September 26, 1997 at 10:40:43:

I have a question for you: have you ever run into patients for whom you have recommended surgery as a solution to chronic GERD?

Thanks,
A. Trueblood


Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by A. L. T. on January 18, 1998 at 03:36:14:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Bob Mc Michael on January 16, 1998 at 08:08:17:


Bob,

You aren't alone. If you do some digging (check Wake Forest's web pages for their voice center) You'll see that this is actually quite common. I've been through similar and many improvements can be made just though the typical lifestyle changes typical to GERD treatment. EVen without the more 'typical' symptoms. You may eventually find that you do have some symptoms, like a sore throat upon waking up; bad taste in mouth; acid feeling in throat as you become more aware of it. Try elevating the head of your bed six inches and not sleeping on your right side (your stomach will leak more on that side) and implement the other lifestyle stuff. It does make a difference.




Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by A. L. T. on January 18, 1998 at 03:41:17:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Walt Stoll on January 17, 1998 at 10:17:34:

Dr. Stoll,

6-12 months!! I'm surprised you didn't refer them to a skilled speech therapist - they are quite familiar with GERD and can often relieve the hoarseness so frequent with it. MOre importantly, I'm also surprised that you didn't advocate vocal rest - either complete or partial, i.e. no talking after work / on weekends; or no phone calls. These changes speed up GERD related hoarseness recovery immensely. I speak from experience. Anything is better than remaining in a state of hoarseness.



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by A.L.T. on January 18, 1998 at 03:44:19:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by lee on January 16, 1998 at 19:23:45:

You've described it yourself, you are tired after a full day of presumably, working and speaking. It sounds like not only a GERD situation but that you speak incorrectly. Specifically that you do not use your musculature and breathing in an efficient manner. You would do yourself a big favor and go see a reliable speech therapist. THey are quite familiar with over-use/mis-use issues and will be able to help you learn new techniques and relaxation measures to make everyday life more enjoyable.



Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 12:13:51:

In Reply to: Re: Gut Feeling posted by Linda Hynds on January 16, 1998 at 11:26:12:

Thanks Linda!

THERE YOU HAVE IT, FOLKS!

Seeing this stuff makes me think of setting a feast & throwing open the doors to my guests.

Namaste` Walt



Re: Fundoplication Surgery

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 12:16:03:

In Reply to: Re: Fundoplication Surgery posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 16, 1998 at 19:20:19:

Dear Fred,

Did you read the directions carefully? All of your questions are answered there. From your comments, it is very likely that you are not getting results because the directions must be followed exactly to get 100% results.

Walt



Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 12:35:56:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 16, 1998 at 23:04:56:

Dear Peter,

Tell me again the size of the cyst. The ovary floats almost free in the abdominal cavity. Unless the cyst is positioned exactly at the attachment of the ovary, there is NO WAY a cyst the size I thought this was could cause symptoms. Symptoms from ovarian cysts come from their stretching the capsule of the ovary & so are dependent upon the cyst being big enough to do so. If you saw an ovary with a cyst the size I thought you described, you would NEVER believe that it could cause symptoms either. Remember, the ovarian tissue is a LOT more compressible than the capsule. There are no pain receptors in the ovarian tissue--only in the capsule. This is like the brain & its coverings. So, until a cyst gets pretty big, it just compresses the ovarian tissue & hardly stretches the capsule at all.

Any surgeon who recommends removal of such a lesion has a responsibility to explain all of this to the patient. How many do?

However, many times, conditions that would be resolved by Chiropractic or acupuncture will also disappear after surgery. Research has shown that just making an incision in the skin will resolve the symptoms--without touching the ovary. Surgery for polycystic disease of the ovary (PCOD) proved that. The standard surgery, when I was in medical school was wedge resection of the ovary. THEN, they found that all they had to do was expose the ovary & prick it with a needle. THEN, they found that just making a skin incision did the same thing. What they were ALL rediscovering was what the Chinese had learned over thousands of years of experimentation: Sticking a needle in exactly the right place would do the same thing WITHOUT an incision.

If it were MY belly, I would consider acupuncture/Chiropractic first. I could ALWAYS proceed to surgery if it were necessary. Also, remember that C-RS is the most common known cause of ovarian cyst. Unless the ovaries are both removed, what is to prevent a cyst from forming on the ovarian tissue that is left?

Walt



Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 12:47:55:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 16, 1998 at 23:15:32:

Der Peter,

I'm glad you got my note. I did not get yours--at least not all of it.

Please tell Bill that you are willing to link your site & give him your website address. Once he gets that done you will be only a "point & click" away.

I would be honored to meet with you during your trip to FL.
Presently I have a presentation in Orlando the 1st of March but should be here when you are in the area. Weather here right now is terrible: 70 & sunny. (grin) For legal reasons, it would have to be a personal visit.

There were 2 boxes of books (so far) which had the defect you mentioned in some books. I mentioned it to the printer/publisher & they were really apologetic. However, I now have to leaf through every book before it is cleared to be sent. (sigh) I have been replacing the faulty ones as I am appraised of them. I apologize for the inconvenience. I will send you a copy with a SASE & postage for you to return the faulty one. Send it book rate. I was advised to collect the faulty copies for the printer.

Walt



Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 12:57:24:

In Reply to: Re: Gut Feeling posted by Jim on January 17, 1998 at 10:25:25:

Dear Jim,

You are a big help. Many times something a person says about him/herself makes more difference than anything I can say.

What do you mean about the black hole?

You are right about people (friends & associates) frequently having a hard time adjusting to people experiencing radical improvements in their health. I have had people get divorced because one partner suddenly got healthy.

People learn to relate to people the way they are. If they become a different person, they have to learn how to relate all over again. This IS a helpful way to find out who your REAL friends are.

Walt



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 13:02:55:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by A. L. T. on January 18, 1998 at 03:36:14:

Dear ALT,

The only thing that causes both GERD AND hoarseness or difficulty swallowing is the total body bracing that we have discussed here on this BB for several years now. If you keep addressing the tips of the iceberg...............

Walt



Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Jim Hare on January 18, 1998 at 13:31:51:

In Reply to: Re: Gut Feeling posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 12:57:24:

Walt,

What I meant about the black hole was a self effacing comment. Sometimes what I write seems outdated after awhile. What I am thinking and feeling about things is changing rapidly these days. When my comments are on the bulletin board, they go away. The black hole is wherever the posts goes after they sinks below the bottom edge of the browser and are eventually cut of by the program, or Bill. (anything that does not make the archive). Some of my silly questions I am only too glad to have disappear. But it looks like this is the year for me to make a fool of myself anyway. I have agreed to play the Major-General in Pirates of Penzance in the school play where I teach. You cannot possibly appreciate what a joke that is. I will have to do only one fairly monotone song, but I am NO singer! I think laughing at myself has got to be part of my healing. "In matters vegetable, animal, and mineral, I am the model of a modern Major General!"
Ta-da!

Jim





Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Peter Wray on January 18, 1998 at 13:48:54:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 12:35:56:

The cyst is 15 mm. Unfortunately, I am not certain of its position. It was desribed as a folicular (sp?) cyst. During the internal exam the physician pressed on the left ovary and said that he watched Linda's reaction (there was none). He then did the same thing with the right ovary and watched her grimich. She said the pain she has been experiencing for the past two months is the same as the pain she experienced when he applied pressure to her right ovary and the cyst.


The pain she is experincing was explained by the physician as resulting from the twisting of the cyst. He also said that she may have some symptoms similar to pregnancy (breast tenderness, nausea etc. - she has experinced a very minimal amount of nausea).


Surgery was not suggested. He said that there is no way that a cyst of this size merits surgery.


I think what we are trying to sort out is whether or not there is justification for more tests at this point in time. Or should Linda try BC pills for a month as suggested and see if this resolves the pain.


It does sound like we should be considering acupuncture, and we have been investigating practitioners in our area. Linda is also trying to follow the Perfect Whole Food Diet in order to control the C-RS (I have also been on a whole food diet; although, still far from perfection, and find remarkable improvements in how I feel on a dialy basis). And we are both going to see a local psychologist to get some help the skilled relaxation. Taking care of one's self is a full time job!

With Thanks

Peter



Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Jim Hare on January 18, 1998 at 14:02:24:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 18, 1998 at 13:48:54:

Peter,

You are right, it is a full time job. I am thinking that it is the "change-over" to a new life style that is full time, and I am hoping that the routines I am establishing, once they are fixed, will be more streamlined and less time consuming. There is SO much to learn in the beginning.

I also wanted to tell you how much I liked your site. What a great resource. I have bookmarked it and will pass it along.

Jim



Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 14:18:09:

In Reply to: Re: Gut Feeling posted by Jim Hare on January 18, 1998 at 13:31:51:


Dear Jim,

Have fun being a major general. That is what it is all about anyhow. If you have fun, the people watching will have fun too!!!!

We all learn & as we learn we change. The old passes & the new becomes. As I watch & learn, I see the inadequacy of what I knew 20 years ago compared with last month & last month compared with this month. My only consolation is that I am about 40 years ahead of my conventional medical contemporaries. I would be a lot better off financially if I didn't learn a new thing for 40 years & practiced what they will then. I can't do that which is why I know the "price of pioneering"

You are learning a lot. Sharing what you know (even though it may change tomorrow) will help you learn. Teaching is still the most powerful way to learn.

Namaste` Walt


Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 14:31:59:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 18, 1998 at 13:48:54:

Dear Peter,

I am glad to hear that surgery has not been suggested since I then would have to cry "quack"!

Have the doc draw you a picture of the cyst in the ovary. The "twisting" explanation is just RIDICULOUS. Cysts of the ovary are contained WITHIN the ovary. One this size is just like the cyst that occurs everytime a person ovulates. The cyst enlarges to about this size & then ruptures through the surface of the ovary to release the egg. RARLY does this cause any symptoms (mittleschmertz). There is no POSSIBLE way it could be "twisted". Whoever told you that should be ashamed of himself!

Remember, if this is something that Chiropractic or acupuncture could help, pressure over that area of the ovary would hurt. It has nothing to do with the ovary on that side because the cyst is about 1/4th the minimal size that could hurt by being palpated.

It continually amazes me how much docs have accepted the propaganda we have preached for the past 100 years to the point where we believe it ourselves: "People are too stupid to understand. If we just say something that sounds reasonable, our "white coat" will carry the day." (sigh)

Taking BC pills for a month or so is no risk. However, since the "cyst" is not the cause, they will not help anyhow.

Walt





Re: GERD

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 14:34:43:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Donna Morgan on January 19, 1997 at 00:47:39:

Dear Donna,

I can't imagine why I sent you such a dumb message. I know perfectly well what GERD is. Please let me know what this was a response to & I will read it & give you what I meant to say.

Sorry for the trouble.

Walt



Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Peter Wray on January 18, 1998 at 15:16:28:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 14:31:59:

Wow - now I'm reeling a bit.

Is it possible that there is something else going on with the ovary that could be causing this pain (perhaps an unfair question to pose given the limited information I have been able to provide to you)?


What stikes me is that the pain Linda has been experiencing is the same as she experienced when the physician palpated the ovary. This seems to me to indicate that the ovary has something to do with the pain and, so far, this cyst is the only abnormality that has been found.


We will check the position of teh cyst and the size (perhaps we heard "15" when what was said was "50"?)

Thanks

Peter


Nitro for GERD attacks?

Posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 19, 1998 at 12:18:53:

I have been through the ringer trying all of conventional medicine's cures. Nothing has worked for the severe GERD attacks.

Last night, out of desperation I stuck a tiny tab of NITROGLYCERINE under my tongue, and like magic, the horrible, debilitating pain stopped. My heart is fine. I guarantee you it wasn't a heart attack. And yes, I am on day #8 with the ginger root process, but as yet, no improvement, and yes, I have bought your book and awaiting delivery.

Question;

Will this produce any side/after effects?
Have you heard of this before?
How come this isn't a standard protocol?
What about long term effects?

Thanks,

Fred


Re: Gut Feeling

Posted by Linda Hynds on January 19, 1998 at 12:27:28:

In Reply to: Re: Gut Feeling posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 12:13:51:

Thanks,Walt. I think we all feel we have friends and share information and learn via the internet, but we all suffer the absence of human contact. I understand your feelings. Reaching out and touching someone technologically is great but it's not the same kind of touch. Remember, according to Virginia Satir, we all need 12 hugs a day to thrive, 8 hugs a day to maintain emotional health, and 4 hugs a day just to survive. I think most of us don't even get 4 hugs a day. What has and is happening to the human race? Linda



Re: GERD

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 19, 1998 at 14:52:20:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Linda on January 17, 1998 at 12:41:39:

Dear Linda,

Use the search feature for this BB & read everything you can find about GERD. You will find what you need to eliminate your symptoms. As you get well, please take the time to share your experiences with the rest of the BB participants. This is a totally unnecessary condition.

Walt



Re: GERD / Food intolerance?

Posted by Lee on January 19, 1998 at 15:46:05:

In Reply to: Re: GERD / Food intolerance? posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 10:56:17:

I got your book, finding it helpful and informative. RE: diet. A neighbor gave me deepak Chopra's perfect health, and i figured i had nothing to lose,so i ID'd my body type and it was very very helpful in calming down my GERD. (I am 2+ weeks into the ginger juice). FYI he also endorses the ginger juice , w/ a slight difference in dosage and length. his is for 2 weeks starting w/ less than a teaspoon, working up to a couple of teaspoons, and then lowering the dose, i can't repeat it to you exactly, since i skimmed over it, as yours is quite satisfactory. his wasn't for GERD specifically, but related to digestion. Again, I just skimmed it.


GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by David Harrison on January 20, 1998 at 07:55:36:

Fellow sufferers,

I often find myself wondering how others are doing on the Ginger Root Juice. There were four to five of us visibly participating on this board who started the regimen at approximately the same time. I will share my progress or lack there of, here and continue to check this post thread for the months to come. Speaking for myself, I find there is much to be learned from what we share with each other. I have read every posting on GERD, a number of times in some cases. They are all important bits of information.
Thanks to Lee, Linda, Fred, Lois, Mary, James, Donald, Jim, Bob, Arlene, Peter Wray (great web site Peter) and of course Dr. Stoll.

I am on day 17 of the GRJ today. While I had dramatic improvement after just one day, I have plateaued since. I am now able to go to work and get through each day but my quality of life is still not quite there. I have interrupted sleep, lump in throat off and on throughout each day, burning in chest, pain in stomach off and on, wet feeling in throat and ears, mild left arm, shoulder, back and chest pain.

All of these symptoms are mild but they are with me each day and a distraction.

I currently take two prilosec a day and gaviscon as needed. I am on a STRICT whole foods diet which I am learning to enjoy and meditate daily.

I have stresses in my life but I am unaware of them having direct negative effects on me. I control my thoughts using relaxation techniques when then begin to weigh on me.

My biggest sense of loss is not being able to lay flat in my bed and not being able to exercise. I have always been VERY active. I am unable to do any form of exercise except short for walks.

As it would have been premature to claim victory in an earlier email, it would be equally so now to throw in the towel. I am still planning on meeting with my surgeon on 22nd and having the preliminary testing done to see if I am a good candidate for the Fundoplication. Should I opt for the surgery down the road, my plan is to continue to incorporate Dr. Stoll's suggested lifestyle changes regardless. I believe this may offer me the greatest chance for the life I once new.

Sincerely,

David



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 1998 at 11:12:02:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Arlene on January 17, 1998 at 23:10:31:

Dear Arlene,

Thanks for your testimonial. This TRULY is an unnecessary condition.

Once you incorporate the skilled relaxation the rest of your condition will clear up------YOU'LL SEE! It will ake about 6 months to be perfect. Sing a song for me?

Please let us hear from you when you are well. You would be interested in reading the 1/11/98 note about "Gut Feeling" since it is about EXACTLY the phase you are going through right now.

Namaste` Walt



Re: Surgery

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 1998 at 11:43:31:

In Reply to: Surgery posted by A.Trueblood on January 18, 1998 at 03:27:49:

Dear A,

Sure; but only for the first 15 years of my practice when I still thought that we MDs had all the answers.

Since I learned about ginger juice, and to teach people to deal with the causes of the condition, surgery has been totally unnecessary for the last 20 years. I doubt that surgery is EVER indicated except as an adjunct to the surgeon's income.

Use the search feature of this BB & read everything you can find about GERD. Once the symptoms are gone few surgeons will be able to convince (or even try to convince) patientsto have this VERY major surgery.

Walt




Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 1998 at 12:03:31:

In Reply to: Re: Other Consideration for Abdominal Pain posted by Peter Wray on January 18, 1998 at 15:16:28:

Dear Peter,

I wish I could draw you a picture of what a cyst this size would look like on an ovary. The doc should have done that for you. However, if he had, there is no way he could have gotten you to stop asking questions by offering the ridiculous "explanation" about the "twisting of the cyst".

Indeed!

Certainly, there COULD be "something else going on with the ovary". However, once you have had an MRI, the next step is exploratory surgery--and even then they might not be able to see the cause. Their recommendation, preoperatively (at her age), would be to just remove the ovary even if it looks normal.

It seems to me that a more intelligent way to proceed would be the Chiropractic/acupuncture approach & THEN, if symptoms persist, consider exploratory surgery.

Walt





Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by fred g. on January 20, 1998 at 13:20:14:

In Reply to: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status posted by David Harrison on January 20, 1998 at 07:55:36:

I know this will sound very weird, but, in my despiration to relieve the pain from GERD, I popped a tiny Nitroglycerine tab under my tongue. Within minutes, no pain. I hasten to add that my heart is fine. It wasn't angina. I'll keep you informed on my progress on the Nitro usage and continues GRT, which by the way has produced no relief. Although I will say it REALLY wakes me up in the AM when I take it... Whew, is that stuff potent! It's got to cure something with a taste like that!

Fred



Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by lee on January 20, 1998 at 17:52:39:

In Reply to: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status posted by David Harrison on January 20, 1998 at 07:55:36:

I am almost 3 weeks into the ginger juice, and I am without a doubt, in better condition than I was 3 weeks ago. I am also meditating, and have made dietary changes. I have been to a hypnotist for relaxation techniques, and have had massages and accupunture, too. However, my main problem, which is a weak, hoarse, ragged voice, has not improved at all.


GERD

Posted by Linda on January 20, 1998 at 20:53:49:

Dear Dr. Stoll,

Has anyone every used ground ginger as a tea with any results. I am having a hard time locating ginger root in this area.

Linda


Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by Arlene on January 20, 1998 at 22:45:03:

In Reply to: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status posted by David Harrison on January 20, 1998 at 07:55:36:

Dear David,

Hang in there! I remember my bouts of coughing that would last from 9:00 PM until 1-2:00 in the AM - WITHOUT STOPPING. However, during this time, I didn't give up my exercise. As exhausted as I was in the morning, I went to the gym 3-4 times a week (sometimes I just sat in the sauna - to try to relax). This helped with the STRESS.

You might think about doing some YOGA, and more importantly getting someone to do bodywork on you - i.e., to help your body "relax".

I still am having a problem doing the skilled relaxtion twice a day, but when I do manage to meditate - I feel there is a difference. I am definitely going to see a BIOFEEDBACK person in the near future to make sure that my alpha/theta waves are in the "correct ratio". This is something you might also think about.

I also Drink ginger tea (teabags) during the day. The interesting thing about Ginger is that it is bi-directional. When you have too much acid it suppresses it, and when you don't have enough it increases it. Also, I Stretch 1-1 1/2 hours every day. Even on days when I don't go to the gym. And finally, I drink plenty of water every day.

Dr. Stoll has been a wonderful influence in my life and his book has certainly shown me the paths to take to correct my problems. I'm not a 100% out of the woods, but I know that I'm getting better every day.

I hope to hear that you're doing better. Please stay in touch. All the best!!!!!

Arlene


Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by Arlene on January 20, 1998 at 22:53:33:

In Reply to: Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status posted by lee on January 20, 1998 at 17:52:39:

Dear Lee,

Hi! I know what it's like not to be able to talk. I had this condition on and off for over 4 months. One of the things I've learned from my speech therapist is to talk in a "confidental manner". This is not a whisper but a very soft way of talking. This puts very little pressure on the vocal chords.

You might also want to visit a throat specialist to see if you have vocal nodules. I developed them after my bout with GERD, and have been dealing with it for the past 7 months.

For myself, I found that during the day my jaw would become very tight. To help this situation I used my fingers in circular patterns to massage my jaw area. Also, be very conscious of the way you stand. If you find yourself hunched over or your neck pulling downward - you're adding additional pressure to your throat.

I'm taking a lot of vitamins, as well as herbal combinations to help this condition.

On a final note, if your throat becomes very hoarse, take warm to hot water with salt and gargle. As simple as this therapy is - it does work!!!!

Keep me posted - stay well.

All the best - Arlene


Re: Nitro for GERD attacks?

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 21, 1998 at 14:27:50:

In Reply to: Nitro for GERD attacks? posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 19, 1998 at 12:18:53:

Dear Fred,

Pharmacologically, this should not work. However, people are NOT machines so it MAY work for you. It might even be that you are so close to results that somehting like this COULD nudge you over the edge to effectiveness (for the GERD).

The only negative side effect of nitroglycerin is dose related (headache) in the range of prescribed doses.

I have never heard of this effect & would like to know if you experience it again. I would be more worried about your heart. YES, I know you say it has been checked out & is OK. HOWEVER, we have all heard of the guy who dropped dead on the sidewalk (of a coronary) just having left the doc's office with a clean bill of health. The tests we have are NOT infallible and this STILL happens. One of the more accurate tests we have is to have the person take nitroglycerin for the unexplained symptoms & see if the person improves in a few monutes.

Although it is still a bit early to be expecting the GERD symptoms to be resolved with the ginger, it might be because you do not have GERD as the cause of your symptoms. It can be VERY hard to tell the difference.

If I were you, I would report the episode to your doc who knows you best & sort it out between you.

I hope you have started to learn an effective skilled relaxation technique since it would be of basic benefit for BOTH your GERD AND your heart. Even though you are certain that your heart is OK, I know that there is no way to know that with current technology. It would be prudent to act as though you heart COULD be involved & waste your effort than to act as though it wasn't involved & find out that it is.

Walt



Re: GERD / Food intolerance?

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 21, 1998 at 14:38:23:

In Reply to: Re: GERD / Food intolerance? posted by Lee on January 19, 1998 at 15:46:05:

Dear Lee,

In my response I did not mean to say that diet would not HELP because it will. What I meant to convey is that diet will never CURE GERD.

Thanks for the note about Deepak. We are pretty much on the same wavelength.

Walt



Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by LEE on January 21, 1998 at 22:28:31:

In Reply to: Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status posted by Arlene on January 20, 1998 at 22:53:33:

Thanks for your comments. I went to Ear, nose, throat Dr.today,my vocal cords are fine,he recommended i see a gastro-enterologist and a speech therapest. Yesterday a friend told me about an old fashioned remedy for stress induced laryngistis--drinking dill pickle juice. I havn't done it because I am concerned that I'd add too much acid to my stomach--but I am passing alone the info FYI. Keep in touch.


Re: epstein barr virus

Posted by Gerd Ernbst Zesar on January 22, 1998 at 09:18:48:

In Reply to: Re: epstein barr virus posted by Teresa on November 01, 1997 at 14:23:32:

EBC is manageable and the result of Immunreaction against
Parasits. The rest of the Eradicaterd Parasits with functionable Nucleinacids will get to a new liveform.
This liveform ist EBV or Cytomeglie an other Herpes viruses
Take 6 Gramm lysin daily and much Vitamin C daily to 100 to 200 Gramm.


Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by Dear David, on January 22, 1998 at 10:10:56:

In Reply to: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status posted by David Harrison on January 20, 1998 at 07:55:36:





Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1998 at 10:23:53:

In Reply to: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status posted by David Harrison on January 20, 1998 at 07:55:36:

Dear David,

Using skilled relaxation when you feel you need it (for psychosocial stress) will not work any better than "fixing the roof when it is raining". Remember, it is the long-term storage of stress-effect in the hypothalamus that is contributing to the GERD---------NOT the day to day stress-effect. Also, recall that at least 90% of the stressors that cause this chronic fight or flight effect are NOT psychosocial but environmental.

You have to do your skilled relaxation (fixing the roof while the sun is shining) every day, on arising and at least 2 hours prior to going to bed for the night. Twenty minutes twice a day is the least that will reliably resolve this problem. Even at that, it will take 6-12 months.

It is OK to ALSO use the relaxation as you are doing it so long as you don't count them as one of the two needed, daily, to resolve the problem in the long run.

If, after you have done the whole foods diet, skilled relaxation and daily walking program for a year, you still have symptoms you would be willing to undergo surgery for, I think you should consider it. Sometimes there IS so much damage, over the years of conventionsl symptom suppression, that there are structural changes that cannot be changed any other way. This is rare but can happen. I have yet to see one but know that it is possible.

I think you should pat yourself on the back for the progreaa you have made. However, when I saw that you were not doing your relaxation in a way that would finally resolve enough of the cause, & considering surgery at the same time, I could not resist sharing the above.

Walt


Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1998 at 13:10:23:

In Reply to: Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status posted by lee on January 20, 1998 at 17:52:39:

Dear Lee,

Remember, your hoarseness is not directly related to the GERD. Both the GERD AND the hoarseness are directly related to the bracing which will take 6-12 months to eliminate by doing an effective skilled relaxation technique at least 20 minutes twice a day for that length of time.

The ginger juice will only take care of the symptoms directly related to the GERD which is 2 steps away from your hoarseness.

Also remember that any skilled relaxation technique done within 2 hours of bedtime cannot count toward the long term resolution of this problem.

You are on your way but you still need some course corrections along the way.

Walt


Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1998 at 13:32:11:

In Reply to: Re: Leaky Gut Syndrome posted by Scott Kenefick on January 20, 1998 at 19:22:20:

Hi, Scott.

A truism of all this is that the very thing that the person most desperately needs to do is almost always the thing that they have the most trouble doing. I am not surprised that you are having trouble learning skilled relaxation.

Just be assured that ANYONE can do it, even you. Keep plugging away. You might be reassured by reading the note posted on 1/11/98 about "Gut Feeling".

Walt



Re: GERD

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1998 at 13:40:23:

In Reply to: GERD posted by Linda on January 20, 1998 at 20:53:49:


Dear Linda,

I have yet to see a grocery store without fresh ginger root in the vegetable section. Where have you been looking?

There are people with GERD that get results with even ginger ale. However, the protocol I have recommended works all the time & the other forms & dilutions of ginger work in a smaller % of the cases. The powder MIGHT work for you & it might not. Just don't throw out the concept if another form doesn't work.

Walt


Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1998 at 13:43:14:

In Reply to: Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status posted by Arlene on January 20, 1998 at 22:45:03:

Thanks, Arlene!

It is this kind of information that does more good than anything I can say. I appreciate your testimonial that I have been instrumental in pointing you in the right direction. YOU have been the person who did the work!

Namaste` Walt



Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1998 at 14:12:32:

In Reply to: Re: GERD sufferers on GRJ - Status posted by LEE on January 21, 1998 at 22:28:31:

Dear Lee,

Of COURSE your cords are normal. If you measured the electrical activity of the voluntary muscles in your throat, the feedback would be off the scale. Biofeedback research has shown this for more than 30 years & still these "specialists" don't know about it????

Do you really think your gastroenterologist & speech therapist will do any better?

Eventually, everyone will get around to your bracing. Will you still be alive at 100 to benefit from it when that day comes? You can see that you are pushing my buttons. I just have seen too much of this crap to not be upset about it.

Walt



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by lee on January 22, 1998 at 23:36:39:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 1998 at 11:31:38:

Walt, I just wanted to thank you for putting this page together, i read it several times a day. I am winding up my ginger juice program, and have, as you know, modified my life style. I feel i am on the way to recovery, however, my weak munchkin sounding voice is an annoyance. However, it is not painful or life threatening, and there are many worse conditons listed on your BB.


MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ...

Posted by David Harrison on January 24, 1998 at 20:10:18:

Dear Dr. Stoll,

I have just completed three weeks on the GRJ and I have to say that while there was dramatic improvement after just two days, things have not improved since. I am now meditating for 30 minutes at least twice daily. I take the GRJ as you have said and will continue to. (I like it now) I have been on the STRICT whole foods diet for three weeks as well.

Still I have the GERD symptoms. I DO understand that it took a long time to get to this threshold and I can't expect to be healed overnight (or 3 weeks) but I am quite concerned about getting myself to ground zero. First of all, I need to be certain that GERD is responsible for all my symptoms. I believe this to be true but some do not. I plan on having all the pre-surgical testing done for Laparoscopic Fundoplication to bring me to the dooryard of surgery where I will make my decision with my wife.

I have just met with Dr. David Rattner of Mass General Hospital in Massachusetts. The visit took all of 15 minutes and I was only slightly concerned. Concerned because he was not interested in hearing my symptoms, just having his questions answered. He had not read my file yet and didn't make an attempt to because he was behind. I did not expect more than this from him. He is a tool for me to use should I opt to. He DOES do what HE does well and I'm not fooling myself about what that is. His questions were, have I had the manomtry or 24 hour PH. My answer was no and that I wanted an MRI as well to help rule out other problems. He began talking cancer because of my stomach pains. I am having all testing done this week but a CT instead of MRI since he was able to convince me it provides much better information. I wanted to avoid the radiation if possible.

Here are my questions (some repeat, please bare with me):

Can stomach pains be related to GERD?

Can headache be related to GERD?

Can having pain just above my zyphoid(sp?) when I lift my left arm or use my upper body strength be related to GERD or Hernia?

I believe the answers to these to be yes, although they can be related to other things I'm sure. I'm having a hard time believing at this point it is cancer.

Also, my Aunt in Florida was just found to have Barrett's after feeling some symptoms over the past months. She felt nothing before that time but she must have had GERD all the while. Can one only prevent Barrett's by changing their lifestyle as a precaution? My mother has no symptoms but fears she may head down the same road.

Do you believe that the Fundoplication can be the right path for some to get to ground zero WITH the lifestyle changes you recommend? I have no trouble with the lifestyle changes but cannot go on like this. I am likely to be layed off very shortly as a result of work missed due to illness and it's not the best of times to be hunting down a new job.

This is long and I am having troubles. Any bone that can be thrown my way will be gobbled up in seconds. I have come to trust your wisdom and those who participate here.

Gratefully,

David


Re: epstein barr virus

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 08:04:00:

In Reply to: Re: epstein barr virus posted by Gerd Ernbst Zesar on January 22, 1998 at 09:18:48:

Dear Gerd,

Your note is in the right direction. However, it has been MY experience that this problem is a lot deeper than that. For example, WHY does the person have such a susceptibility to parasitosis? These parasites are all around all of us every day. Why do we not all have them?

That is why I have repeatedly urged people to look a little deeper & do something about WHY they might be susceptible. Unless one has leaky gut first, they CANNOT get parasites. What causes leaky gut? We have discussed these concepts for years on the internet.

Thanks for your input. It shows you are thinking. I think you will find, however, that just using vitamin C will not permanently resolve this problem except in very rare cases.

Walt



Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ...

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 26, 1998 at 13:57:17:

In Reply to: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ... posted by David Harrison on January 24, 1998 at 20:10:18:

Dear David,

NOT ALL OF YOUR SYMPTOMS ARE DUE TO GERD. I am concerned that you still have to ask that question. Most of your symptoms are due to dysautonomia and its associated "bracing". It is going to take 6-12 months for you to eliminate those conditions of which your GERD is but a tip of their iceberg.

If you have the surgery, it will ONLY address any symptoms of the GERD you may have left. The fact that you saw improvements, within a few days of starting the ginger juice, tells me that only the symptoms that are gone were due to the GERD--and those would be the only ones that would be helped by the surgery (they are already gone).

AS you well know (I hope) the surgery is going to do nothing for your underlying causes. You will still have them postoperatively and your surgeon will wonder why there is no change. He ought to know that your other symptoms are not related to your GERD. The fact that he does not used to bother me but I have learned to expect such intentional ignorance.

Perhaps, now is the time for you to read "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier (referenced in the back of my book & available in any library & bookstore). Certainly, I think it would be a good idea for you not to quit your job (unless you hate it with a passion) since that would just add to your stress load & delay your progress even further.

I have faith that, once you have enough information, you will make the best decisions.

Walt



and weight loss ...

Posted by David Harrison on January 26, 1998 at 13:57:56:

In Reply to: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ... posted by David Harrison on January 24, 1998 at 20:10:18:

The concern the surgeon had was about my weight. A concern I share. I have lost about 30 lbs over the past 6 months, I have dark color around my eyes and have noticed my feet and hands are very pale.


Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ...

Posted by David Harrison on January 26, 1998 at 14:13:11:

In Reply to: Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ... posted by Walt Stoll on January 26, 1998 at 13:57:17:

Dear Walter,

Thank you for your response. I do believe that my illness is due to what you call "bracing". I have been aware of this for some time and reading your stong beliefs on the matter only affirmed it for me. I have been describing the very feeling as stress for years.

I have read your book and I am doing everything I should be doing to the letter but I still have the mild chest pains, stomach pains, watery feeling in throat and on/off burning feeling in chest and stomach. I am NOT aware of being stressed. This is not to say I couldn't be but I am quite tuned in to my mind, body and spririt at this point.

Tomorrow, *Tuesday", I will have the Manometry and 24 hour PH test. Friday the CAT scan. These should show no sign of GERD at this point?

I am forced to go on disability at work because I have been out too many days. If I don't, I will likely lose my job.

I am unable to gain weight on the whole foods diet and low portions of food I can tolerate. I have even continued to lose weight albeit very slowly and my wife has wept at the sight of my unclothed body.

I feel strong enough but cannot use my strength without getting pains in my diaphram area. Just lifting my left arm above my head can give me this pain.

I am at my wits end. Would suggest the testing I am doing is a waste of time and money?


Everyone has an ax to grindl ...

Posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 26, 1998 at 19:41:36:

In Reply to: Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ... posted by David Harrison on January 26, 1998 at 14:13:11:

David,

I am an example of what "modern Medicine" cannot do. Plus, I am also an example of what alternate medicine cannot do.

I have had the fundoplication surgery, manometry, a couple of endoscopies, and every medicine known to man to attempt to cut down the amount of acid which alledgedly splashes into the esogeous and causes unbelievable pain.

My answer is; I don't have GERD. I have spasms. How do I keep from getting them, I eat very small portions of food over a period of time. And, if I have a spasm, I take a Nitro tab under my tongue. I have a healthy heart, I am a little overweight and have diabetes (under control) which exacerbates the condition. But mostly I'm fine.

The GRJ did not work for me. Good luck.



Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ...

Posted by Linda Hynds on January 26, 1998 at 20:27:43:

In Reply to: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ... posted by David Harrison on January 24, 1998 at 20:10:18:

David,

You will be in my thoughts and prayers. You are really going through a tough time. I think all of us need to realize that it took a long time for the accumulated stress reaction to build up and affect our organs and systems. When we decide to make the changes, we go through detoxification and, during this time symptoms may appear to worsen or re-occur. Please, Walt, correct me if I am wrong. Certainly you need to go forward, but please gather all the facts and make informed decisions. Read Ken Pelletier's book. I hope ypur wife is reading all these books as well. Good luck to you. Linda



Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ...

Posted by Kyra Kitts on January 27, 1998 at 03:13:01:

In Reply to: Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ... posted by David Harrison on January 26, 1998 at 14:13:11:


Dear David,

Here's something i just discovered today on my own healing path. At a friend's recommendation, i went in for a "craniosacral therapy somatoemotional release" treatment. Me, the self-controlled one. After a half an hour on the massage table i was weeping like a baby, undeniably releasing energy from an old emotional/physical trauma long forgotten. When i got up from the session after an hour, i felt like i was inhabiting my body again for the first time in years. It suddenly wasn't such an uncomfortable house to live in. i can't go into details of how this therapy works, because so far i've just experienced it this one time. i wouldn't be surprised at all, though, if you were to release a significant amount of "bracing" if you were able to find someone competent who practices the technique in your area. The guy who invented this technique is Dr. John Upledger, an osteopath, acupuncturist, and preventative medicine specialist. He was a researcher and biomechanics professor at Michigan State University for nearly a decade, researching the whole thing. He has an institute in Palm Beach. FL: The Upledger Institute, 1211 Prosperity Farms Road, Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410, phone: (407)622-4334. You can call there and for $3 get an alumni directory of practitioners. The woman i went to see today here in CA gave me a copy of his book "CranioSacral Therapy SomatoEmotional Release. Your Inner Physician and You", ISBN1-55643-148-1, published by North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, CA. Haven't read it yet, but the table of contents is fascinating. I've been getting Rolfed and had a couple of deep tissue massages too, so maybe all put together it's "greater than the sum of its parts." Trust Doctor Walt about the bodywork intensive needed to jumpstart the healing path bigtime. It's worth the money, even if it hurts the checkbook temporarily. Good luck, David! "May the Force be with you!"

Kyra

P.S. Thanks Walt, for giving me the needed boot in the tush to get me going on the bodywork. Now i KNOW that it really is invaluable.


Re: The bottom line

Posted by Peter Wray on January 27, 1998 at 12:15:23:

In Reply to: The bottom line posted by Irene Goodnight on January 25, 1998 at 20:57:26:

My rather cynical take on this involves the pharmaceutical companies. If insurance companies covered the cost of a good juicer and ginger for GERD rather than Tagamet (or any one of a loooong list) this would have a significant impact on these multi-billion dollar drug companies. I can't believe they don't have a significant influence over what is and isn't covered.

Peter

PS - I have learned that the ginger juice isn't a cure, but I couldn't think of a better example. See Walt - We Can Be Taught!



Re: Dr. Jeff Bland's Phone #

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 27, 1998 at 12:36:23:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Jeff Bland's Phone # posted by Nancy on January 25, 1998 at 12:49:48:

Dear Nancy,

Congratulations! You are on your way. Have you yet read the wonderful note about "Gut Feeling" on 1/11/98?

If you still have trouble, let me know. Dr Bland's center called me about this & we had a long conversation as to how getting this kind of information might be easier for people like you. I believe they are willing to do ANYTHING to make it easier.

They mentioned that they have a professional AND a patient education website for you to learn anything you might want. They are sending me a "care package" of information that I will share on the BB as soon as I can digest it.

They also said that, if you mention my name, they would be more likely to give you technical information, usually only offered to physicians.

Walt



Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ...

Posted by Lee on January 27, 1998 at 23:12:42:

In Reply to: Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ... posted by Walt Stoll on January 26, 1998 at 13:57:17:

A heartfelt thanks to Dr. Walt for putting together this web page so we all can communicate. And a thanks to everyone who has written their GERD, Ginger juice and reflux experiences, I have benefited by reading all of them. I finished the ginger root juice treatment, have included meditation (new), massage and accupuncture and altered diet and am much improved. I have spent much of the last month focused on my health and observing what works and what doesn't. I am getting relief from the symptoms, which was such a relief, I almost forgot that I still have to address the root cause(s). The dietary changes were based on Deepak Chopras body types, and I have been pretty strict about avoiding foods that are inappropriate for my body type and I am 2 different chinese patent medicines which have helped calmed down my digestive tract. the medicines are reallly cheap, one is for too much "heart heat" and the other is for heat in the stomach. if anyone wants to know the exact names, mail me at EMIworker1@aol.com. I still have reflux almost every day, sometimes a lot, sometimes very little, and the way i know that is the tip of my tongue stings. That is my only "clue" that all is not calm. My voice is still weak, raggedy and raspy, and I am just waiting for it to return. That's my experince for the last month.


GERD continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by David Harrison on January 28, 1998 at 08:55:42:

Dear Walter,

While I appreciate your efforts and the great information you have shared and been sharing for quite some time, I have to disagree with you on the effectiveness of the Ginger Root Juice regimen.

You have been stedfast in your claims that the GRJ will eliminate 100% of the symptoms caused by GERD. This I have gathered is supported by your personal experience, 4000 years of Asian practice and the shared experiences of those you have communicated with. My research of GERD relief via GRJ has not yeilded the same confidence. In fact, I have only been able to find folks that were able to improve their GERD symptoms at best. I have not read of anyone having zero symptoms as a result of GRJ. I would like to hear from more people that were able to see 100% improvement in GERD symptoms.

I have followed ALL recommendations to the letter and still my GERD symptoms persist. You felt in an earlier posting that my GERD symptoms were already gone and that I was dealing with symptoms related to others causes. I disagree again understanding FULL well that my GERD has been brought on by another greater cause. I have been monitoring my ph closely over the past 24 hours and watching it lower in my esophagus during each wave of the attacks. I have no doubt in my mind about my condition.

Please don't take this as an attack on your doctrine. It's easy for chronically ill people to get frustrated and lash out at those trying to help them but this is not the case here. I know you to be contributing to the greater good of a nation medically misled.

I DO believe that my GERD was caused by stress, infection and over exertion.

I Do now KNOW that daily meditation, eating correctly (which means whole foods for me), spiritual connection and exercise are REQUIRED for my well being.

While I will continue to recommend your book and lifestyle changes because I know them now to be right, I will suggest that GRJ may or may not help GERD sufferers.

Many doctors and regular folk would really like to see a double blind study done on the GRJ. This would open a number of closed minds and doors that exist now and I for one would like to see that I am the exception and not the rule.

Thank you Walter and I hope this is good information for you. You strike me as a continuous learner with the ability to adapt and change. This makes you an extremely valuable resource for people like me.

Sincerely,

David


Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 28, 1998 at 12:46:36:

In Reply to: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by David Harrison on January 28, 1998 at 08:55:42:

David,

What an excellent post!

When I first learned about food allergies and the HUGE impact they had on my arthritis symptoms I was stunned. My life as an arthritic and my perception of allopathic medicine was FORCED to be changed forever.

I gleefully thought that if I could figure out my food sensitivities that I could halt the arthritis. I was wrong. I learned that there was a lot of 'stuff' that happened along the way to getting food allergies (obviously I had to develop 'leaky gut syndrome' before I developed strong food allergies). Some of the stuff that happened along the way was continued to contribute to my rheumatoid arthritis even though I had stopped eating the problematical foods.

Interestingly enough I found that some folks with rheumatoid arthritis did not feel the same improvement that I felt even after they found their food allergies. With time I learned that this was because there was something else (usually a very strong intestinal candida, bacterial or amoebic infection) contributing to and masking the beneficial effects of eliminating food allergens.

In the final analysis I have folks start with the elimination diet anyway. It will almost completely 'fix' someone with mild disease and 85% of the time ALL people with any kind of arthritis will feel much better. They will know that it's happening within 48 hours. That gives them the 'jumping off point' to begin their own search for the truth and their own search for their cure.

I do worry about the other 15%. They will have to be more patient to see an improvement and as you know we have little patience for doing things that we aren't used to doing. We want results -- now!!

So I don't want to put words in your mouth -- but I bet if a buddy came up to you today and complained of GERD the first thing that you might suggest he try would be some ginger root juice. And with that suggestion and his personal experience with it you would have opened a whole new world.

As for the alternative medicine community I can honestly say that I've seen a lot of money spent and very few complete cures of anything. But at the same time I've seen better overall health in general, lessened symptoms and certainly less drug side effects.

Bob


Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ...

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 1998 at 14:26:55:

In Reply to: Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ... posted by David Harrison on January 26, 1998 at 14:13:11:

Dear David,

It is much too soon for you to be "cured". Your tests will still show reflux. What do you plan to do with the information?

It seems to me that I would be even more exhausted than you describe if I were going to all these docs & taking all these tests.

If you want to know why you feel the way you do, read Dr Pelletier's classic (referenced in the back of my book) "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer". This book was written about you. Perhaps if you understood the whole thing better you would have a much more realistic expectation of what should be happening at this stage of your journey.

Remember, few (if any) of the symptoms you are presently describing are caused by your GERD. Therefore, any surgical procedure is not going to get rid of ANY of them. All you will be doing is adding the major stress of such a surgical procedure to your already overwhelmed stress response.

There is no real way for you to be aware of your stress-effect storage. Your system has become accomodated to it or you would have gone crazy with how it would feel. The best you can do this early is start becoming aware of a little of it. See the note on the BB about "Gut Feeling" 1/11/98 and "Message in a Bottle" 1/25/98. They should give you a more realistic idea of where you are.

Walt



Re: Everyone has an ax to grindl ...

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 1998 at 15:26:32:

In Reply to: Everyone has an ax to grindl ... posted by Fred Gruenebaum on January 26, 1998 at 19:41:36:

Dear Fred,

How are you doing with the regular practice of skilled relaxation?

I would appreciate your describing exactly how you prepared the GRJ and how you took it. You are the first person (in my 20 year experience) for which the GRJ did not at least result in VERY significant benefits.

While I say that, I also have always said the the GRJ was not a cure for GERD & urged anyone with this condition to learn about the causes and do something about them for a cure.

One of the constant truisms of holistic medicine is that the very thing any individual needs to do the most is the last thing they will be willing to do.

Walt



Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ...

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 1998 at 15:43:42:

In Reply to: Re: MORE GERD QUESTIONS Dr Stoll ... posted by Kyra Kitts on January 27, 1998 at 03:13:01:

Thanks, Kyra!

Wonderful stuff!

Walt



Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Nancy on January 28, 1998 at 20:04:31:

In Reply to: Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Robert McFerran on January 28, 1998 at 12:46:36:

Dear Robert,
I do enjoy reading your posts. I don't have arthritis, but do have FMS and IBS. My biggest problems are recurrent bouts of diarrhea and migrating trigger points all over my body from head to toe, litterally.
I am intrigued by the statement you made about candida. I was dx'd by it seveal years ago by a wholistic MD. She had me on the Yeast Connection diet, nystatin, and nyzoral. Although I was skinnier than I'd ever been (I liked that), my IBS persisted and even got worse, and in the long run, all I got was very broke. I seem to be repeating the process again with the naturopath I'm seeing. I'll switch herbs, get better, then back comes the D. two weeks later. My diet is good, but not perfect.
My question to you is, how do you get rid of the candida and heal the leaky gut (other than Relax. and whole foods)? My naturo. says the gut must be healed first or the yeast will just come back. Ditto for other parasites. He thinks I would go into an unbearable health crisis if he tried to detox me now.
BTW, I really enjoyed reading the sections of your book you sent. When will it be finished and published?

Thanks!!! Nancy



Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 28, 1998 at 23:54:34:

In Reply to: Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Nancy on January 28, 1998 at 20:04:31:

Nancy,

I've said it once -- I'll say it again -- Yeast is a beast......

The folks that I helped overcome their FM did not have any other complications like IBS. For them the key was to find their inherited metabolic type and eat a diet that matched that type. I believe that this is the major UNDIAGNOSED reason for LGS by both holistic and allopathic practicioners.

I've found that many folks have a difficult time with yeast and relapsing as soon as they are off antifungals due the fact that LGS and/or yeast toxins transmitted via that mechanism have caused the immune system (specifically the t-cells)to become altered.

In a normal, healthy immune system there is are certain ratios of different types of t-cells. For example there are helper t-cells that initiate the attack on antigenic material as well as suppressor t-cells that come in later to halt the attack. I've studied folks with chronic mucocutaneous candidiasis. Their immune system doesn't RECOGNIZE yeast properly -- and as a result it doesn't regulate it's growth. So the drugs work but as soon as they are off the antifungals that yeast infections immediately flare. These folk have been found to have the wrong ratios of helper/supressor t-cells. About 85% of people with rheumatoid arthritis have a similar 'defect' in their helper/supressor.

I guess what I'm saying is that I've found that there might be situations where simply removing the stressor by doing things like eating the proper diet, exercising, and doing skilled relaxation will not be enough to allow things to 're-normalize'. In other words there are 'one way streets' and unfortunately the yeast recognition thing might be one of them. And I do think it's probably caused by yeast toxins -- unfortunately removing the yeast toxins doesn't result in the immune system and t-cell moving back to their normal ratios.

Not to fear though -- I'm working on some ways that we might be able to get around the 'one way street' and am testing it now on myself and a couple other folks that have rheumatoid arthritis.

As far as the book goes -- I hope to get it out by the end of this year. Obviously things like running the above trial are slowing things down.

Thanks for your kind comments!

Bob


Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Geraldine on January 29, 1998 at 01:20:40:

In Reply to: Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Robert McFerran on January 28, 1998 at 23:54:34:

Hi, I just found this board. I have EBV, IBS, and iron overload. I wonder if others on this board have been checked out for Hereditary iron overload caused by a gene,or secondary iron overload as I have (Hemisiderosis) caused byI assume the leaky gut allowing iron to cross over.

I have suffered for years with dozens of differnet symptoms and driven the doctorsnuts. But none of them ever did the right tests which are TIBC, SI and the saturation. Even more accurate is the intravenous treatment with Desferoxamine I finally had with 24 hour urine test following which uncovered four times normal iron, significant lead.

Have had every diagnosis in the book up until now and the problem is now, how jmuch damage is there to liver and other organs with carrying this iron around all thes years. I am 58. Lots of arthritic type pain, pseudogout in big toe, undiagnozed small lumps behind knees which i believe are lymph glands blocked up.

I believe that at least some people on this list will prove to have iron overload as it is much more common than doctors believe, hence they overlook it.

Thanks for the Board.

Geraldine


Re: Nitro for GERD attacks?

Posted by Anne on January 29, 1998 at 06:19:19:

In Reply to: Re: Nitro for GERD attacks? posted by Walt Stoll on January 21, 1998 at 14:27:50:

Dear Walt,

Actually, pharmacologically this DOES work. I am a paramedic, and this is a known, documented and not uncommon occurrence. I had this happen with a patient of mine just last month.

Nitro is a smooth-muscle relaxant, and works on the heart by relieving spasms of the coronary arteries (smooth muscle).
The acute pain of GERD is sometimes caused by spasms of the lower esophagus (also smooth muscle!) due to the acid irritating it. Nitro will relieve those spasms just as effectively, giving rapid, complete relief from pain in some patients.

This certainly does complicate clinical assessment of these patients, because it tends to imply a cardiac origin that may not exist. Many a GERD patient has spent 24 hrs in CCU just because Nitro relieved their pain.

Please understand, I am NOT recommending Nitro for this use!
At best it will only give very temporary relief for this problem. Besides the headache you mentioned (and it can be a Lulu) Nitro can cause an abrupt, and in some people extreme, drop in blood pressure.

I should also note that ANY patient whose pain is relieved by Nitro, even if we are virtually sure it is GERD, goes to the hospital by ambulance with an IV and a heart monitor, because as you pointed out this can be a real fooler and it is not an area to be wrong!

By the way, I have developed a serious interest in alternative medicine, even though it doesn't apply much to emergency care. By the time people call me, they usually need some brute-force allopathic methods to snatch their chestnuts out of the immediate fire. But if more people would take your advise to heart, they could about put me out of business!

Anne


Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Jim on January 29, 1998 at 07:56:41:

In Reply to: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by David Harrison on January 28, 1998 at 08:55:42:

David,

I assume you have been reading the board, so you know what I have been posting. You know that my big thing is the meditating. That is what is making the difference for me. But this is a seven or eight year trip for me. Read on.

I know the chest pain, vomit in the throat in the middle of the night, sleeping elevated and on left side (when I could sleep at all), 24 hour pains in back, neck, ears and neck glands, food sitting in stomach for hours, being afraid to eat, thinking I had cancer, and worst of all, anxiety attacks, big full blown ones that twice had me in emergency rooms. I was taking pills to slow smooth muscles, to speed up stomach emptying, and to stop acid, I was taking antacids, doing diet changes, being poked, prodded, x-rayed, and invaded with chalky liquid at various orifices, being told I had reflux, esophageal erosion, MVP, hernia, that I was a head case, I was in despair, depression, and finally, I was thinking suicide might be better than going on.

I could no more have followed Dr. Stoll’s advice at than time than the man in the moon. I was a functional nightmare. Finally a Dr. (one of many) put me on Xanax (a tranquilizer) and Trazadone (an anti-depressant). I thought I had died and gone to heaven. End of symptoms. I was able to get my life back. I did nothing to change the way I was living, however, and the next seven years were spent going on and off the medication. In the meantime I became hypertensive and started experiencing edema in legs and fingers, and I started to have arthritis pains in knees, hips, and fingers.

When I went on blood pressure meds, I was able to drop the tranquilizer, but I had to keep cycling on and off the anti-depressant. All this time, the GERD symptoms continued in lesser degrees, but after the severe ones I in the past, I considered myself lucky.

OK, so then comes Dr. Stoll and Robert McFerran. Now on the whole food diet, I start the same game as the meds, only the diet takes the place of the pills, and the same off and on thing starts to happen. I am always on the edge. If I goof up on the diet, even a little, I get the symptoms again. So I begin the meditation, and I have been at it in varying degrees since last summer. The last couple of months it has begun to take hold, and I am seeing results. I have NO symptoms now. I think I would have been better off having some hands-on help like Kyra describes, but well excuses, excuses.

I now have first hand knowledge of what Walt calls the "bracing." No need to go on about that as I have done elesewhere. But I know I would never have been able to make it without the intervention of the medication. (Well, I confess to a fantasy of being taken by some benefactor to some luxurious health resort in the tropics where I could leave all my responsibilities behind) Short of that childish notion, I needed to break the vicious cycle. I could have saved seven years of hell after that if I had used the reprieve to do some of this other good stuff however.

You need to break the self perpetuating cycle you are in. I understand only too well. I truly hope you do not find some dread disease underlying, that was always my unfounded fear. Maybe there is something to what Bob says about your blood type. Do not discount his information just because he speaks about arthritis instead of GERD. It is all related, at least in me it is.

God bless you,

Jim



Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Vicki Ritschard on January 29, 1998 at 08:12:38:

In Reply to: Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Robert McFerran on January 28, 1998 at 12:46:36:

Bob, the first two paragraphs of your post aptly describe my husband's experience (except that his symptoms are not those of arthritis). We were elated--and astonished--to discover serenditously that eating wheat products caused him to experience severe symptoms. Initially, eliminating wheat from his diet led to noticeable improvement; after a time, he had to eliminate all gluten-containing foods to control the symptoms; and later he began to experience symptoms again no matter how strictly he adhered to the dietary restrictions. Only then did we begin to search for deeper causes. I think it's obvious in his case that he isn't inherently allergic to wheat (or gluten). Only when we get to the root cause(s) will he be able to truly eliminate his symptoms.
It helps to know others have had similar experiences.
Vicki



Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Nancy on January 29, 1998 at 16:04:53:

In Reply to: Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Geraldine on January 29, 1998 at 01:20:40:

Geraldine

How on earth did you ever locate a dr. who knows about all these tests?

Are you getting rid of these symptoms? Did you have a hair analysis test?

Good luck!



Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Nancy on January 29, 1998 at 16:08:28:

In Reply to: Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Robert McFerran on January 28, 1998 at 23:54:34:

Robert

Now you're really beginning to depress me. How would one go about determining whether or not the yeast has reached the point where it has altered the T-cell ratios? (You realize, of course, that I don't have a clue what T-cell ratios are).

Where do you live? I hope I havent already asked you that question.



Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 29, 1998 at 17:04:23:

In Reply to: Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Nancy on January 29, 1998 at 16:08:28:

Nancy,

I was reticent about posting that stuff about the t-cells and chronic mucocutaneous candidiasis but it's the truth.

T-cells are the generals of the immune system. 85% of the total complement of our t-cells are devoted exclusively to the gut. Our physiology was designed to have them there for a reason. Unfortunately what was an advantage can become a liability.

I wouldn't fret about the t-cell thing. You can have tests run to determine your total counts and relative ratios for a bet less than $100 (don't expect your insurance company to pick up the tab for this one). There may or may not be an answer to undoing the damage to t-cell populations and our immune systems ability to regulate things like candida albicans. I'm working on that one right now.

Bob (in Louisville, KY -- the stronghold of the allopathic medical monopoly!)


Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Nancy on January 29, 1998 at 18:43:17:

In Reply to: Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Robert McFerran on January 29, 1998 at 17:04:23:

Robert

Please, by all means, keep on working on it. I do remember reading about the T-cells somewhere, now that you describe them. Hope it wasn't in Walt's book, which is the last one I read. Damn that brain fog!

Thanks! Nancy


GERD

Posted by Jaime on January 29, 1998 at 22:05:36:

Walt,

This post came in to me via email. It belongs on the board, but as you can see, the author/sufferer has problems communicating with the board, so here it is. I will put my answers up in a separate post, but some of the questions need yor. Hope the format, cutting, and pasting work out by the time it reaches the board.

Jim


Jim,
If you have the time I would like to ask a few questions ... any answers would be greatly appreciated ... thank you very much!

First of all I would like to thank you very much for all of the information you have posted on the web. Unfortunately, my browser is not yet setup correctly thus I am unable to post to the web myself which is why I send email directly. You story on all of the tests, fears over cancer, up and
downs, etc almost seem like you have been watching my life for the last 6 months. It has been extremely hard for me since I had never in my life been sick or been to the doctors ... However, I have only had an upper gi test done which the specialist reported looked normal except for the reflux that was quite obvious. In fact, the doctor said that I had reflux all the way up to my clavicles. All right, I will get to my questions so as to not take up too much of your time:

1. Do you have any comments as to why I almost never have any heartburn associated with the reflux? My only complaint is nausea ... is any worse to have nausea vs pain?; Maybe their are just different symptoms for different people.

2. You mentioned in your mail that you had struggled with GERD for about 8 years. Did you ever consider the surgery; why or why not? How old are you? I only ask because this seems to be such a great option IF it works ... dont get me wrong I am by no means a fan of surgery its just that most docs recommend surgery for young patients (I am 26).

3. Where can I get a copy of Beth's Book on The Power Of Whole Foods?

4. Are there any good doctors (not allopathic) in Albuquerque NM? How could I find out? I would like to get checked for LGS and see if this bloating feeling I have in my stomach is due to LGS which is why my specialist and gen md will probably never diagnose it.

Again, thankyou very very much for the info you have posted on the web especially the words which described what was going on in your head. You are right sometimes GERD can almost make you suicidal! You are the second story of someone that has described almost identical symptoms as my own gone through all of the mental kaos and been able to recover via meditation and diet changes ...! I am planning to go down the same path that you have succeeded with and then report my recovery to the BB.

Finally, is GERD a disease that is stress induced? The reason I ask is that I had both alot of stress and bad diet for the last 3 years of my life. My stress level was many times at a point where I would often wake up in the middle of night worrying about work ... darn if I had only known then what I know now. For about 1 and 1/2 years I have had a stomach tightening sort of bloating feeling in the upper portion of my stomach (mostly on the right side) which I have complained to both of my doctors about ... of course since the upper gi came very normal and I have reflux they (specialist and gen md) dont really care what I say ... I know believe this bloating to be the leaky gut syndrome as I have read about ...


Looking forward to a reply,
Jaime.





Re: GERD

Posted by Jim on January 29, 1998 at 23:52:54:

In Reply to: GERD posted by Jaime on January 29, 1998 at 22:05:36:

Jaime,

To answer your questions, I am fifty-four years old, and now that I think of it, I have been dealing (trying to deal) with this GERD thing for over ten years, not seven or eight as I wrote.

You can obtain a
copy of Beth Loiselle’s book THE HEALING POWER OF WHOLE FOOD by contacting:

Healthways Nutrition
93 Summertree Drive
Nicholasville, Kentucky 40356-9190
(606) 223-2270 or (800) 870-5378

To answer your other questions, no, I never seriously considered surgery, though I was told that I probably had esophageal erosion, and the prospect was mentioned. I did what many of us do, I went to a different doctor. I would have slept in a chair the rest of my life before I would have had them snipping on my plumbing.

Yes, I think stress was a significant factor with me. I sort of knew it, but at the time I could not see or admit to my limited emotional life, which I think was an even bigger factor. Oh, I had excitement, variety, and many forms of stimulation all right, and I was careful to do all the importantly cool and right things. Unfortunately I was not conscious of my superficial experience of love and intimacy, or my lack of direct spiritual awareness. It is easy to see now that I was alone in a crowd and doing a lot of pretending. The more obvious stressors, job, money, daily things, occupied my mind, and I thought I was doing an OK job of handling those, though I knew it was taking a toll. I think the "bracing" (tension) was, in some odd way, how I kept myself from surrendering enough to let love into my life (or really express it outward). I think it was a control thing, an attempt to keep things how I thought they should be. My life now is taking turns I never expected, and it brings a great relief. I finally have the sense to allow a certain unfolding occur. Sorry if I am sounding like a New Age lotus flower, but I suspect (based on my own experiences) that many chronic disease sufferers are hanging onto something pretty tightly. (Note to anyone reading this who feels indignity at what I say: of course I don’t mean you.)

I wish you the best, Jaime

Jim

PS I lived in Las Cruces for awhile. I love New Mexico.



Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 1998 at 10:53:52:

In Reply to: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by David Harrison on January 28, 1998 at 08:55:42:

Dear David,

You cannot know how much I appreciate your feedback.
In more than 15 years of experience, where I could face the person directly & better tailor any ancilary suggestions, I NEVER had a case where ALL the symptoms did not disappear. As you can imagine trying to do this by email leaves a lot to be desired. I do not know what the difference IS but it is apparent that something else was going on when I was actually in the presence of the patient. I do not believe that I was it was my healing presence alone that made the difference but something obviously was.

I, too have noticed that people (here on the electronic waves) were not getting the universally reported results that I saw in my practice. I am also sure that the Chinese (for their 4000 years of empirical experience) never did this over phone lines.

In my new edition, I will have to add this dimension to what I say. If the readers are working directly with whoever recommended it, they are likely to have better results. I will have to share this with the BB participants as well. Hopefully, this note will be the first step in that direction.

A point that I feel I have to make: I have said many times that no one knows why this approach works at all. No one has ever seen a reduction of reflux (therefore your pH measurements are expected). What HAS been noticed is the reduction in symptoms and a concomitant reduction in damage to the lower esophagus. Who knows why the acid reflux can be the same & the symnptoms & damage be dramatically reduced?

If all this did for you was get you started in the direction of awareness you mention in this note, it will have been worth while even with NO reduction in your immediate symptoms.

Most people do not care enough to tell me what you just have & you cannot know how much I appreciate it. I learn a lot more from constructive criticism than I do from praise for success. The praise keeps up my energy (and I cartainly need that) but I LEARN more from stuff like you have here.

It would be interesting to see a "double-blind" study. However, with the distinctive "taste" of the fresh GRJ, it is going to be about as hard as doing a double-blind with DMSO that produces the distinctive oyster breath. Everyone would know whether they were geting the real stuff or not.

There ARE other ways to know than the famous double-blind. Even now, the move to outcome research is supplanting the double-blind for those chronic conditions that are much too complex for the double-blind.

How many double-blind studies have there been for coronary bypass surgery?

Please keep letting us know how you do. The real work is still ahead of you. I hope you do persist with it. Since everything one does, which is actually moving them in the direction of healing, magnifies the results of everything else they are doing at the same time that is healing, you may find that in 6-12 months of skilled relaxation the GRJ will work a lot better than it did just now. That is the kind of thing I think personal presence must have something to do with.

Thanks again, Walt




Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 1998 at 11:00:36:

In Reply to: Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Robert McFerran on January 28, 1998 at 12:46:36:

Dear Bob,

Once again, a perfect example of the critical importance of KNOWLEDGE, The person has to take responsibility for going beyond anything the "teacher" could possibly have known to recommend in the beginning.

You are one of the best examples of the ideal in this area that I have ever seen.

Bless you for continuing to share what you have learned!

When is your book coming out?

Namaste` Walt



Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 1998 at 11:05:27:

In Reply to: Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Nancy on January 28, 1998 at 20:04:31:

Dear Nancy,

The most important thing for you right now is still "tincture of knowledge". I know you are moving in that direction but your note hints to me that you are still confused (so are we all in many ways). The resolution of that "confusion" is a step by step process as Bob, Jim & David are all describing. We are all in the same boat. The big difference is that we are at least looking toward the light instead of still being trapped in darkness looking in the wrong direction.

Walt



Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 1998 at 11:09:18:

In Reply to: Re: GERD and IBS continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Nancy on January 29, 1998 at 16:08:28:

Dear Nancy,

The ability of the human bodymind to reachieve "homeostasis" is truly amazing. In the long run, the regular practice of skilled relaxation is still the most powerful thing we know of to actually reverse ALL of this stuff.

Walt



Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 30, 1998 at 12:32:50:

In Reply to: Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 1998 at 11:00:36:

Walt,

When is my book coming out?

That is a good question!

Right now I'm trying to add to what we already know about treating candida albicans with some mini-trials and extracting some research from other areas. The results won't be in for at least another 3-6 months.

Bob


Re: GERD, Anxiety, Stress

Posted by Jaime on January 30, 1998 at 13:57:27:

In Reply to: GERD posted by Jaime on January 29, 1998 at 22:05:36:

Dr. Stoll,

Finally! Yesterday night the network guys came by and somehow
fixed my browser ... looks like it worked. Thanks to everyone
who was answering my questions via email. Dr Stoll the people
that you have helped are an invaluable resource!!
Along with all of the questions that Jim posted for me I just wanted to give
you a little more background. My questions regarding the surgery only come
from the fact that I am getting somewhat desperate; if someone would
have asked me about surgery 3-4 weeks ago I would have said that
I did not need it but since I have been feeling not so good lately
well you know ... it starts me on the vicious cycle (stress at work
causes nausea which causes me to stress about gerd which causes me
to have more nausea ...) Its funny that I really believe it took me about 3
years of high stress and poor diet to do this to myself and it seems
from Dr Stolls book that it would take 6-12 months to recover from
both GERD and LGS. Its very encouraging that I have read mail on the
BB from at least 2 people that were suffering almost IDENTICALLY to
myself and they now have the symptoms under control ( both actually
report no symptoms or almost none ) and are no longer taking medications.
Once I recover with Dr Stolls advice I will definitely post my results
on the BB so that other that have travelled this bumpy road can
look forward to a recovery.
I had posted messages on the BB previously regarding GERD and
the nausea that it was causing me ... I will start off by letting
you know that I have received a copy of your book, changed my
diet but just yesterday ordered a copy of Beths book, have been
off and on the ginger root juice, and have just started to try meditation.
I had been feeling pretty good as of 3 weeks ago but had not been
completely rid ( still I was feeling pretty good ) of my symptoms and
since I had not been following your suggestions to the letter thus I could
not and did not expect complete recovery of symptoms as others such
as Jim have recovered. However, I started the circle of doubt again
once I moved to a new position at work with considerably more stress.
All of my life even as a kid when I was in perfect health if I had
large amount of stress or anxiety I would get nausea which is why
I think that my recent set back (nausea and vomitting in the mornings)
is not actually gerd but the work related stress. I have begun to
also take walk for 1 hr after work to help me sleep rather than go
to sleep worrying about work and gerd, dream about work and gerd,
and then wake up again thinking about gerd and work.

I was wondering if there is anything I can take to help relieve all of
my anxiety and stress while I learn to control it via meditation? I was
told that STR-J is a herb that will help with the stress.

Also, have you ever seen a case where the surgery for GERD was actually
needed? I ask only because I believe I have read that you successfully
treated over 100 cases with the recommendations FOLLOWED from you book;
again FOLLOWED is the key word. Im sure that in your hundred patients
you must have had several which were suffering very badly from nausea
thought they would never recover but in the end they had a successful
recovery. Again I want to mention that surgery for me is the LAST LAST
thing I want to do I really hoping to get past gerd via your recommendations.

Thankyou very much for your time,
Jaime.

p.s. I am taking prisolec 2X (20mg) a day + propulsid 4x a day. Have
been on the meds for about 3 months and have been sick with GERD
for about 6 months ( 1st of which the doc would did not give me
any medication or diagnosis ... that was a bad month ( constant
nausea and vomitting ) Prior to the last 2-3 weeks I have not been
too bad )


Re: Results 100% positive

Posted by Phyllis on January 30, 1998 at 14:29:52:

In Reply to: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH. posted by David Harrison on January 28, 1998 at 08:55:42:

Your statement......"I have not read of anyone having zero symptoms as a result of GRJ. I would like to hear from more people that were able to see 100% improvement in GERD symptoms."

I had 100% positive results. A few months ago I purchased Dr. Stoll's book at a meeting I attended (not knowing then it was the wonderful blessing that I understand now). I immediately began the Ginger Root process. The first day I had significant results, and by day 3, I was completely without symptoms. As it turned out, I only did the regimen 1-1/2 weeks (simply because I would forget to take it upon rising since my mind was not on the pain any more!). I had thought I would go through the process again for the 3 complete weeks, but since I have not had the need, I decided I would wait and start it only if the symptoms returned.

Seeing the results, I couldn't wait to shout it from the mountain top. I shared "the recipe" with a couple of guys I knew with GERD. Neither of these had a juicer and they used a food grinder to process, then poured the contents through a cloth, squeezing the juice out. I know this is not the "correct" method, but it worked 100% for both of them. One guy is now calling me "medicine woman," and we all plan to share "our finding" with our MDs. (I had even considered buying stock in Pecid AC and Tums back when I was giving them a lot of my paycheck each week!)

I also shared "the recipe" with another friend. She kept the ginger root in the refrigerator several days before juicing it. She borrowed my cheap ($20) juicer to use (the one I had used to process my ginger root). She was also taking 2-3 prescription drugs for the GERD while using the ginger root. She went the complete 3 weeks (never missing her morning dose) and did not get rid of her symptoms. I then told her what Dr. Stoll has said many times about some folks could see results with ginger-ale, some may not need it the 3 weeks, etc., but told her then we needed to try the "correct recipe". Sometimes the ginger root may not be very fresh (in her case she was several days before juicing), and Dr. Stoll has recommended use of a really "good" Champion juicer ($300?). She then purchased more ginger root and took it to a local health food store and they juiced it for free. She started the regimen again, and this time she did have success. Do you know if the ginger root was fresh that you obtained? Did you use the good $300-type of juicer? If not, you might want to give it another 3-week try. It worked for her!

There.....I finally made my presence known here. I've been following this bulletin board daily for a few months, and gosh....some of you have "become family". Now I guess it's time I introduce myself......I'm Phyllis, and you will be "seeing" more of me....I've been busy "getting it under my belt."

Dr. Stoll, you are a true gift from above. Thanks for all the "eye opening" education you have brought my way.


Re: Bob McMichael/stomach acid in throat

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 31, 1998 at 09:38:46:

In Reply to: Re: Bob McMichael/stomach acid in throat posted by lee on January 29, 1998 at 01:23:05:

Dear Lee,

I am responding to this again since I fear that, somehow, the message I am trying to send is not getting through. If YOU are still confused, so must be many others.

The voice problem is NOT directly related to the GERD!

The voice problem IS directly related to the "bracing" that indirectly also caused the GERD.

It will take 6-12 months of the regular (at least twice a day--never less than 2 hours before retiring) practice of EFFECTIVE skilled relaxation before the voice will clear up. Of course, it is the practice of this skill that will prevent the GERD from recurring so you will, eventually, kill two birds with one stone.

ANY anxiety about the voice, in the meantime, only serves to add to the problem. Everyone wants instant results. However, this is not possible with this problem--short of self-hypnosis (which IS effective)

All of this, of course, is based upon the premise that you have had a competent laryngeal examination & that polyps
--or other structural problems of the larynx--have been ruled out. This is nearly ALWAYS a "functional" abnormality of the voice.

Please write with any further confusion. I would really like to finally put this to rest. Your notes have really helped me know what I have to do with my new edition. It is apparent that this is a hard concept to understand when the professionals you are depending on for advice don't have a clue.

I hope this clarifies the subject.

Namaste` Walt



Re: Nitro for GERD attacks?

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 31, 1998 at 10:07:04:

In Reply to: Re: Nitro for GERD attacks? posted by Anne on January 29, 1998 at 06:19:19:

Dear Anne,

I appreciate your clear explanation of the mechanism of nitroglycerine. I have understood that since I was in medical pharmacology class 40 years ago.

I guess I didn't make myself clear.

It is true that many of the symptoms of "GERD" are from the spasm of smooth muscle in the esophagus. Much of that spasm is from the inflammation caused by the acid reflux. Am I making sense so far? Since the acid reflux (GERD stands for Gastro-Intestinal Reflux Disorder) is the major problem, relaxing the smooth muscle of the esophagus can only make that reflux worse. SO, one would be treating the spasm while they would be making the actual causitive mechanism of most of that spasm worse.

That is why I said what I said. I also understand that people are not machines & many people MAY get relief from nitro. However, when looked at as a whole, this does not make pharmaceutical sense. The fact that it DOES, sometimes, work means that we still do not understand everything there is to know about this condition--surprise, surprise!

I do not envy you your job. Each emergency I would see, now that I know what I do about preventing them, I would want to teach the person what to do to keep it from happening in the future. Since you have to answer to the emergency docs (who are notoriously ignorant about prevention) you might not even BE permitted to share any of what you know.

I can recall, during the first 10 years of my practice (before knowing much about prevention), really being good at emergency room work and enjoying it. I was in a small rural community &, alone, had to cover for all my colleagues every 2 weeks (24 hours a day).

Emergency medicine IS necessary and conventional medicine is best at handling things once they have gotten that far. The idea that more than 90% of those medical emergencies are preventable has not yet filtered down to the docs in the system. People like you know more than the docs.

Walt



Re: GERD, Anxiety, Stress

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 31, 1998 at 11:29:37:

In Reply to: Re: GERD, Anxiety, Stress posted by Jaime on January 30, 1998 at 13:57:27:

Dear Jaime,

Congratulations on getting your browser fixed!!!!

Of all the things you mentioned, the skilled relaxtion is the most important in the long run. It is also the thing that takes the longest to get results. Do not count any of your skilled relaxation times that are done within 2 hours of bedtime.

Re-read the chapter in the book about stress. REMEMBER, more than 90% of the stress that causes this is NOTpsychological or social. The psychosocial stress you are mentioning can be no more than the "straw that broke the camel's back".

Tranquilizers and the conventional remedies for GERD are the only things that will help right now for the symptoms of GERD (other than the GRJ which you already know about).

Let us know how you do & if you have any more questions. I appreciate your communication with Jim.

Walt





ginger

Posted by Shmuel Treistman on January 31, 1998 at 12:25:11:

Dear Dr. Stoll,
Back in November my wife started using ginger as suggested by you for her hiatus hernia . It has been very successful. She doesn't even have to elevate her bed any more or take anti-acids but I have a few questions:

1. Is it harmful if she continues to take the ginger from time to time? She also eats candied ginger once in awhile.

2.Why shouldn't we use a blender? We know only one person that has a juicer and she isn't too crazy about using her juicer for ginger as it is a very hard root.

We are very indebted to you for your advise.Thank you.
Best Regards...Shmuel and Hannah Treistman



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by lee on January 16, 1998 at 19:23:45:

yes, I am losing my voice. This happened once before, and after about 3 months my voice came back , as of today, by end of day, i am hardly able to have a voice at all. so what about the valve? any ideas on how to make it work? that's the key, if acid comes up, and goes in the throat, no voice. have you found anything that helps? I havn't? RSVP.


Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Bob Mc Michael on January 17, 1998 at 09:03:37:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by lee on January 16, 1998 at 19:23:45:


Lee -- No I haven't. What bothers me is that it is getting progressively worse. This has been an ongoing thing for about two years. Have tried gargling with salt water ( Drs. suggestion ) , but that isn't doing anything either. Hope someone out there has an answer. I'm in management and this is causing problems on my job.


Bob


Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Lois Galbraith on January 19, 1998 at 19:38:50:

Thank you for mentioning stress. I have had an unusual amount of it lately, and it seemed to go along with my throat problem. If I stay away from certain situations it really improves. I am learning to say "no" as much as possible. (haha)


Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Lois Galbraith on January 19, 1998 at 19:41:20:

I really would appreciate any suggestions you might have. I really think mine is related to stress, but sometimes that isn't the easiest thing to control.
Thank you for your help.


Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 1998 at 11:18:06:

Dear ALT,

I have been assuming that those reduced to seeking help on the internet have already been through the conventional approaches to this symdrome that I recommended for the first 15 years I was in practice. If not, I agree with you that these things are helpful.

HOWEVER, they are ALL simply approaches to dealing with the symptoms & do NOTHING about the causes. There are thousands of docs out there working with these superficial remedies. There are only a few of me. That is why I concentarte on dealing with the causes.

Most people are still not interested in putting in the effort needed to help themselves. However, they deserve to at least know what their options are. If they are satisfied with the conventional approach-----WONDERFUL! When their symptoms come back at least they will have an inkling that there ARE other options.

Walt



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 1998 at 11:31:38:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Lois Galbraith on January 19, 1998 at 19:38:50:

Dear Lois,

This leap forward in awareness is a small step in the right direction. However, it will NEVER solve this problem. You are at the stage mentioned by the Chinese sage: "A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step." Of course, the step must be in the right direction & you have accomplished that already.

You will have to learn the Moderm Medical Interpretation of Stress. You would also greatly benefit from reading a copy of my book that deals with these factors in relationship to your problems (link below).

The only thing that will eventually resolve this problem is you learning an effective Skilled Relaxation. technique and practicing it at least 20 minutes twice a day.

Walt



Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Arlene on January 20, 1998 at 13:49:43:

Dear Walt,

Thank you for your response - it is always a pleasure to hear from you. Working on my diet - has never really been a problem, however, finding the time to do skilled relaxation hasn't been easy. My best times to do this are first thing in the morning, and just before bed. I believe you mentioned that meditation before bed wasn't a good choice - could you explain why?

I will definitely work on my skilled relaxation and I will keep you informed about my progress.

I look forward to meeting you and singing for you.

Thank you for all your concern and help.

Namaste` Arlene


Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 21, 1998 at 15:04:26:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Lois Galbraith on January 19, 1998 at 19:41:20:

Dear Lois,

Only 10% of stress-effect comes from psychosocial stressors. You need to read Modern Medical Interpretation of Stress. The only thing yet found to reliably reverse this process is practicing an effective skilled relaxation technique 20 minutes twice a day. See Skilled Relaxation.

Just working at avoiding psychosocial stressors will NOT do it.

Walt


Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1998 at 10:39:44:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Arlene on January 20, 1998 at 13:49:43:

Dear Arlene,

Congratulations on your efforts.

No one knows for sure why doing it right before bed does not provide the long term results needed to resolve anything. It seems that one needs to be awake for about 2 hours after a practice for this to work. Also not doing it right before exercise is important. Doing it right AFTER exercise magnifies the benefits of both.

Doing it on arising is the best time.

Walt



Re: Bob McMichael/stomach acid in throat

Posted by lee on January 29, 1998 at 01:23:05:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Bob Mc Michael on January 17, 1998 at 09:03:37:

Bob: how's your voice? what have you tried besides the salt water gargle? Do you always have reflux? if your reflux goes away, does your voice heal? Two years!!!


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