Hiatus Hernia (GERD) historical posts February 1998

Re: GERD continues. The proof is in the PH.

Posted by David Harrison on February 01, 1998 at 14:08:29:

Thank you for your time and concern Walter. Mostly, I am thankful for you being around to help folks like me when all else has failed.

"I was too busy to stop making my problems worse but without my health and the end breathing on my face, I have all the time in the world."

-"dances in big minutes Walt", David

Gag Me

Posted by Jim on February 02, 1998 at 09:18:33:


Just as diet got simple for me over time, so the skilled relaxation goes. The struggle with thoughts has abated (especially since I made a deal with the voice who demands I write). I search for a common way to share my experience.

At first, the waves, the pulses of sensation rising in me while meditating were strange and almost anxiety provoking until I realized it was the sensation of deep relaxation. And I repeat from an earlier post (duh) (blush). This feeling awoke long buried and stifled feelings of love and seemed to open me to re-experience that feeling and deal with some issues in my life. That has been good for me, and I can see how individual these issues that come, and how each person will no doubt get different stuff.

How to get to and maintain a relaxed state is what interests me now. I am getting pretty good at it. I have found that you are right about there being many ways to approach it. As you said, different strokesÖÖ In addition, I notice that I have used different approaches on different sittings, depending on what works at the time.

Where I need to get is to what I would call a diffuse focus, a concentrated surrender. Now, those sound like incompatible terms, and I guess thatís right. But when I get there, I am suddenly (and it does seem sudden) aware of my entire body all at once. There is a heaviness and a tingling throughout my body, and that rising feeling of relaxation seems like it will cause my body to start vibrating. It is difficult to hold. Air releases from my stomach, my hands flush, and my head, neck, and face feel like they are wrapped like a mummy. (Must be tense musculature). In order to keep myself in this place or to deepen the experience I have to use a kind of relaxed control that I can only describe as like when you try to stick your finger down your throat and hold it there. Yes, it is like resisting the gag reflex, only in this case the gag is, what, the return of entire body bracing? Meticulous control of my breathing is of the most help at this stage.

In a way, it is no wonder to me that GERD and LGS occur as a result of bracing, or that bracing is at the root. Like we canít stomach it or canít swallow it anymore.


Re: ginger

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 02, 1998 at 12:11:55:

Dear Shmuel,

Thanks for your testimonial!

No one knows why a shredding juicer works best. Since some people will get results just with ginger ale, it is obvious that the strict directions I gave are not essential for results in some people. The reason I offered that protocol is that, in my clinical experience, this ancient Chinese recipe is the only thing that always works.

I know of no problem with taking the ginger juice forever. HOWEVER, I repeat again, GRJ is not the "cure" for GERD. It will just get rid of the symptoms. One must learn about the causes & do something about them to finally keep it from coming back.

Unfortunately, once the symptoms are gone, many people tend to put off the hard work of dealing with causes since they are no longer suffering.


Re: Epstein Barr Virus

Posted by Amee Pollack on February 02, 1998 at 19:58:19:

Dear Dr. Stoll:

I have been suffering for three months with the following symptoms: The first month I had a scratchy throat and a white coated tongue, which I thought was just allergies. The next two months I have had horrible pain in my throat and chest cavity, belching, nausea, loss of appetite, increased thirst, and some vomiting. I have seen five different doctors. Bacterial, Yeast and Parasitic Infections have all been ruled out. I have had an endoscope and a cat scan. The endoscope demonstrated that I have GERD and hiatal hernia. Biopsies ruled out H. Pylori and cancer. I have been on prilosec for 5 weeks. The horrible pain in the throat and chest still exists but the other symptoms have mostly subsided. Recently I have been told that I may have EBV from a past infection to mono. Do my symptoms sound like EBV? I have ordered your book and have sent a letter to ACAM for referrals but I am truly desparate for help NOW! Do you know a physician in Manhattan that you could recommend? Thank you so much for your time. Amee

P.S. If this turns out to be EBV and you help me get well, I will fully document my illness for you and for others.

Re: Epstein Barr Virus

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 04, 1998 at 12:02:02:

In Reply to: Re: Epstein Barr Virus posted by Amee Pollack on February 02, 1998 at 19:58:19:

Dear Amee,

The book will go a long way toward answering your concerns. There is a good physician (Warren) in your area but he is overworked & expensive.

Were I you, I would read my book & then go on to "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" referenced in my book as well.

Once you have a basic understanding under your belt, you will not be so eager to spend a lot of money hearing the same things you already know. Besides, you will save a lot of money going to anyone because they will not have to spend so much time educating you. The best names I know in your area are Warren Levin, MD, 24 West 57th Street #701, (212) 397-5900 and Leo Galland, MD, 133 East 73rd Street, (212) 861-9000. With what you have, I think my preference would be Leo; even though they are both competent.

Let us know how you do. To me, your situation is transparent.


vetebral subluxations and abdominal pain: Dr. Dave

Posted by Nancy on February 04, 1998 at 19:12:01:

Dr. Dave

On 1/12 you discussed your treatment of a 14 year old boy with abdominal pain. You reported that you found vertebral subluxations at T-9, 10, & 11, adjusted him twice and he was healed. I showed that post to my chiropractor and he adjusted those subluxations for me. In addition to that, he is now using a biokinetic stimulator to treat the abdominal pain as well as some muscular trigger point pain. Have you ever heard of or used this device? I feel great after that!! Of course, the proof is in how long it lasts. As he was ;using the device, he also had me think of a troblesome situation in my life and muscle tested me after that and after stressing the different areas. He says that stressful situations are stored in the thalamus and should be cleared to progress. What are your thoughts?
Thanks. Nancy

Re: vetebral subluxations and abdominal pain: Dr. Dave

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on February 04, 1998 at 21:58:17:

In Reply to: vetebral subluxations and abdominal pain: Dr. Dave posted by Nancy on February 04, 1998 at 19:12:01:

I have seen but not used much of the muscle testing. For two reasons. One, it's too subjective. Anyone can claim to do it and I have seen it used too many times to just push vitamins or other supplements at an astronomical price. Two, it isn't considered mainstream chiropractic by any stretch of the word. I do believe that a well trained person who is VERY honest can used it as a SUPPORTIVE diagnostic tool. I just never felt that I was that "in tune" and had it done on me by a charlatan of a chiropractor.

I am not familiar with the biokenetic stimulator. What I do for trigger points is just work them out with and "activator". It's a hand held device used mostly for specific adjusting. You probably have seen one before.

I'm not sure what to think about his stress assesment. My philosophy is that YOU have almost all of the capabilities to rid yourself of your problems. My office call is $18 and in that you get chiropractic without all the PT and extras, and you get sound advice about long term helping of yourself.

I am not saying the way your chiropractor practices is wrong! On the contrary I feel everyone has their own way of delivering the care. I just sleep better at night when I feel that I have done, what I consider, the most effective treatment, long and short term, and give the advice.

The problem in the T9-11 area may need a few 1x/month visits before the ligament laxity starts to heal but after that you should find less frequent adustments necessary. Practicing skilled relaxation, massage, proper diet and activity, and not damaging the area with bad posture or other trauma will significantly decrease the amount of maintenance necessary after the first few months.

Again, I don't feel that the rest of the things performed on you amount to even 5% of the benefits you have recieved. The correct adjustment will do the work(maybe the trigger points but they should release once the spinal function is restored). Maintaining it will be up to you and how fast your body heals to stabilize the area.

As far as "clearing the thalamus" I have no experience with this and could not give you an educated answer. Dr. Stoll might know more about it.

One thing you might ask yourself is why the muscle testing didn't identify the subluxations in the lower thoracic spine to start with? Using x-ray, static and motion palpation, and orthopedic/neurologic findings are the ways I locate subluxations and if I have been over the area I try not to leave a "stone unturned". Not attacking your chiropractor but I get very leary about the muscle testing thing after my experiences, which included people claiming that they could do it over the phone! :-/

I am very glad you are feeling better. And appreciate the feedback. Now avoid slouching at the computer and overeating (gorging) as these two things seem to afect this problem greatly.

BTW, I didn't heal that boy. He healed himself. I just helped him along a little ;)


Posted by mac on February 05, 1998 at 08:34:55:

Have watched the web and your column for some time now. Purchased your book and am just now beginning to read it. One question -- is it necessary to use ginger root and a juicer. I found ginger root capsules in a health foods store. Are these effective at all, or do I need to purchase an expensive juicer?
Thank you.


Grateful for your opinion on muscle testing, Dr. Dave

Posted by Jenny B on February 05, 1998 at 09:39:06:

In Reply to: Re: vetebral subluxations and abdominal pain: Dr. Dave posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on February 04, 1998 at 21:58:17:

I've been a lurker on this board for a few weeks, growing in my appreciation of the Drs. and all the participants. My admiration took a giant leap when I saw your forthright opinion, Dr. Dave, of muscle testing. I have friends who have gone very far down that route, using it to make decisions about everything in their lives, and it has me concerned. They started with a local health-food store owner who used it to sell them an array of expensive products. Quite a few chiropractors here in Indiana/Michigan use it too. Maybe your comments will get through to them--I haven't been able to. (They are not in good health)


Posted by Jim on February 05, 1998 at 09:58:32:

In Reply to: GRJ posted by mac on February 05, 1998 at 08:34:55:


I do not know if the capsules work, but why spend the money. I will repeat what I posted several months ago. Just lop off a hunk of the stuff and chew the juice out, spit out the pulp, and chase the juice with water. It is strong, but it is do-able, and it could save you hundreds of bucks.

It is worth it. You do not need to use ginger for very long if you follow the rest of Dr. Stoll's advice anyhow, and juicing is not recommended on the whole foods diet, so you would be left with an expensive juicer sitting around.


Re: vetebral subluxations and abdominal pain: Dr. Dave

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 06, 1998 at 11:42:38:

In Reply to: Re: vetebral subluxations and abdominal pain: Dr. Dave posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on February 04, 1998 at 21:58:17:

Dear Doc Dave,

I agree that not everyone can do Applied Kinesiology (muscle testing). However, for those who can, it is a wonderfully effective technique.

I know of no way to judge which person can, & which person is going through the motions, without talking to a lot of patients of that professional to see what kind of results they got.

I know that there ARE people who CAN do it over the phone. A good example is the famous San Fransisco cardiology study where a strict double blind protocol was followed and half of the patients in the cardiac care unit were prayed for by people thousands of miles away. Those who were prayed for had dramatic reductions in complications and dramatic improvements in positive outcomes.

This has been replicated many times but few people hear about it because of the difficulty getting professionals to change their paradigms.

That is not to say that there are many who can or that this is the way to do it. I am firmly of the opinion that, if professionals have this ability, they would STILL do better adding everything we know how to do TO the special abilities--which would mean being in the presence of the patient.

It is something like the philosopher's statement that "Everybody is smarter than anybody."

Those who feel uncomfortable getting into this kind of stuff definitely should avoid it. It takes a completely egoless state to be successful--something I have never been able to do successfully.


Re: vetebral subluxations and abdominal pain: Dr. Dave

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on February 06, 1998 at 16:45:26:

In Reply to: Re: vetebral subluxations and abdominal pain: Dr. Dave posted by Walt Stoll on February 06, 1998 at 11:42:38:

Agreed, for some it is a wonderful tool that should be used as an adjunctive diagnostic tool. However, finding and egoless pratitioner seems to be even more difficult than doing it.

Re: Nitro for GERD attacks?

Posted by Fred Gruenebaum on February 06, 1998 at 16:57:18:

Dear Anne,

Many thanks for the info! I have been through the whole, very painful route of getting these episodes which three docs diagnosed as GERD. Went through all the various medications for reducing the amount of acid my stomach produces, had a 3/4 fundoplication surgery, changed my diet, meditated, prayed, and tried to lead a low stress life.

But....alas and woe, I still had episodes.

In 1982 I had double by-pass surgery, and each year I have an angiogram. So I would rule out heart. This has been going on for four years, so I should be cold in six feet of mother earth.

Here's my take on what helps. GRJ definately does not! I think that my condition is NOT GERD. I definately think my condition, which closely mimics GERD is esopheageal SPASMS!!! Of which little is known. When I take a NITRO tab under my tongue, within minutes the horrific pain stops, AND I do not get a headache!

Your words were a sort of balm for me, as I thought I was "out there" alone. Thank you again for your feedback.



Posted by Walt Stoll on February 07, 1998 at 07:22:09:

In Reply to: GRJ posted by mac on February 05, 1998 at 08:34:55:

Dear mac,

As I have said many times here on the BB (you can find them by using the search feature & reading everything you can find about GERD, GRJ, hiatus hernia and the like) SOME people (not many) even get results from just ginger ale. The reason for the meticulous directions is that for the highest % results, THAT is the way.

Many people have found that their health food store is willing to shred-juice their ginger root for them.

Why not dissolve the capsules in a little water and try them? Even taking them might work. From what I have seen, the GRJ going down the esophagus has something to do with the effect. If you swallow capsules, they will not start doing whatever they do till they are far past the esophagus. STILL, they MIGHT work. Just if they do not, it would not be wise to throw out the concept since you are probably one for which this abbreviated method would not work. The Chinese have had thousands of years to figure out what works best.

When there is a special on Champion Juicers, one can still get one for less than $300 (usually even less than $200). How much have you already spent treating your GERD? Besides, I am sure you know others with GERD. Once you get your results, you could offer to juice THEIR ginger root for them; OR sell them your juicer (Champion Juicers last forever).

Lots of possibilities.

Let us know how you do. Remember, this is only a way to get rid of your symptoms. Your problem might come back if you do not go ahead with the understanding of the causes you will get from the my book.


Re: Everyone has an ax to grindl ...

Posted by Fred Gruenebaum on February 07, 1998 at 14:41:16:

Dear Dr. Stoll,

While I was ready to embrace your suggestion about trying GRJ, I wanted it to work very much. After trying it for three weeks, all I got was a sour taste in my mouth every morning for three weeks, and still the excrutiating pain persisted.

Yes, I use relaxation techniques everyday.

I have asked you numerous times about how to administer the GRJ regimen, and your response was..1. Read my home page, and buy my book. So I bought your book. I looked and looked, and nowhere could I find 1. How long should you wait before eating anything? 2. Can you mix it with anything else to help with the taste. 3. If you double the dose, will it be more efficient. 4. What is the lifespan of the juice before it loses it's potency?

Yes, I have a very elaborate juicer, as I do believe in the benefits of juicing.

What I am trying to say to you sir, I think you're taking advantage of folks who have tried everything and turn to you for help, and all you offer is your book, which at best is a rehashing of most peoples common sense! Shame on you!

You know, it don't come easy.

Posted by Jim on February 08, 1998 at 01:31:50:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone has an ax to grindl ... posted by Fred Gruenebaum on February 07, 1998 at 14:41:16:


The protocol for the use of ginger is presented in detail both on the Home Page under Upper Gastrointestinal Relief, and on page 36 of Dr. Stollís book. It is probably not the case, but it looks like you want to be spoon fed, and Iím not talking about the ginger. You need to start working this board, Fred. Read all the other posts you can find. Use the search function and enter "GERD" or "ginger." Start following the questions and answers each day and begin to get the big picture.

By the way, Dr. Stollís book is not about ginger, or GERD either for that matter. You know, you will be robbing yourself of a valuable education if you try to skip through it looking only for some small part. You are not supposed to look and look, Fred, you are supposed to read and read. And you are right, it is about common sense, but the way you dismiss it with a tsk, tsk, tells me that you are limited to an intellectual understanding of it at best.

I cannot respond to the medical aspects of your complaint, but I do have a couple of other comments. Do you realize that you criticized Dr. Stoll for taking advantage of people, yet you didnít even answer his simple request for more information about how you are using the ginger?!

And just how do you think he is taking advantage of people? He is doing this for free. You are probably hinting that he is preying on the infirm to make a fortune on his book. That is the usual frustration complaint. Hah! I hope he is making a mint. He deserves it. It is a wonderful book. Think about it a minute, Fred, he publishes the book himself, which means he has to pay somebody to print it. Do you know what they might charge him to print that book? How much can he be making? This isnít about the ten bucks, is it?

I want you to know that I am sympathetic for the pain you are in. I went through it too. I remember how rotten I felt and how desperate I was. I donít know if you have GERD or not, or whether you have other problems. I hope not. But I had GERD, and I got over it, but it took a lot longer than three weeks. Now I am working on what caused the GERD. Lucky for me, ginger did give me some immediate relief. The biggest factor for me turns out to be stress, stress I wasnít even aware of. You say you are doing relaxation exercises. Good, but it takes a lot more than three weeks. Donít give up. If you want to check to see that you are not wasting your time, see a bio-feedback specialist to monitor you and tell if you are truly achieving a relaxation response. You need patience (I know you hate me for saying that when you are hurting, but itís true), and you need to take a look at the life style that Dr. Stoll outlines for you.

But, then, I like what he said to someone today. It went something like this. Self help is not for everybody, and thatís OK. Maybe this stuff isnít for you.

I say, forget trying to blame someone who is trying to help you. Answer his questions, and then go do your homework. Then ask more questions. If it is not for you, what have you lost?

I know I am speaking frankly, maybe harshly, but it is only an opinion. I really do wish you the best. I hope you find the health you are seeking.


Re: Nitro for GERD attacks?

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 08, 1998 at 09:08:05:

In Reply to: Re: Nitro for GERD attacks? posted by Fred Gruenebaum on February 06, 1998 at 16:57:18:

Thanks, Fred!

If nothing else, your experience with GRJ has helped you pinpoint what actually IS going on.

Now, it is time for you to concentrate on the causes of spasm of the esophagus. Although GERD CAN be caused by structural conditions, espohageal spasm can ONLY be caused by the hypothalamic storage of fight or flight I have been mentioning in conjunction with GERD and other chronic conditions for so long here on the BB.

The only thing (so far) known that will stop this is the regular practice of effective skilled relaxation at least 20 minutes twice a day (never within 2 hours of retiring) and even that takes 6-12 months. You will recall that, even for those for which the GRJ relieved the GERD symptoms, I urged the individual to do something about these causes and that the GRJ was just a relief of the symptoms.

Congratulations on your progress. I hope you will continue to let us know what happens as you unload your hypothalamus.


Re: Everyone has an ax to grindl ...

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 09, 1998 at 11:04:28:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone has an ax to grindl ... posted by Fred Gruenebaum on February 07, 1998 at 14:41:16:

Dear Fred,

I just reread my chapter on Hiatus Hernia in my book. You are right, I forgot to put in that it had to be taken on an empty stomach and not to eat or drink anything for at least 15 minutes after. This is the first edition of the book. Obviously the second edition will improve from ommissions like this one. One cannot mix it with anything. Doubling the dose will not hurt and might even help some people. The texts I have studied say nothing about that. My experience is that, if it is kept in the refrigerator, it should last for about 6 months. I apologize for the ommissions.

HOWEVER, having said that, you see here how easy it was to get those answers. Why have you stewed about them all this time without asking as you have here? Could this have something to do with why you have esophageal spasms?

I make no money from my book. I do not understand how you could say that I was ripping people off by recommending it. I spend many hours every day doing my best to help people FREE right here on this BB. Is this the thanks I get?

I do not recommend my book unless, in my opinion, it is the very best, easiest and least expensive way to answer the question posed. Your experience with the GRJ and the nitroglycerine has proven to you (and to me) that you do not have GERD but esophageal muscle spasms. How much have you already spent with conventional approaches & NEVER learned that? How much is THAT knowledge worth?

My book works as a unit. If the only thing you read was about the GRJ, you have missed the entire point of the book. If, at best, this is "all common sense" why isn't everybody doing it? I hope you can recall that I ALWAYS said that the GRJ was only a way to quell the symptoms of GERD and that one had to understand the causes to finally resolve it.

The entire rest of the book helps, those interested, to understand the mechanisms they will need to deal with to "CURE" Gerd. Now that you know that this is NOT GERD, those basic causes are what you need to know to resolve the spasms.

You say you practice skilled relaxation daily. ONCE A DAY WILL NEVER RESOLVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS! How did you substantiate that what you pracitce is actually producing (reliably) the alpha/theta rhythm in your brain? Have you been practicing it at least twice a day (never within 2 hours of retiring) for at least 6 months? Be honest with yourself, now. I have reread the stuff about skilled relaxation and it specifically says this and gives many references to become an expert in it--something everyone who gets the best results does. Were you convinced that you had nothing to learn about this too?

Remember, this is all common sense.


Gerd - Testimonial

Posted by Linda on February 09, 1998 at 15:38:02:

Dr. Stoll,
I just wanted to forward this message to you a testimonial
on the benefits of ginger juice and meditation. Often times
it seems like the people that have been cured or at least
symptom free are unable to post their success. These types of messages are what really help us get through the first stage to recovery. Please if there are others that have come around full circle via gerd I invite you to share your success story. Thankyou again Dr Stoll for all of your efforts.
I have been really bad in not posting anything on the web, work has been =
very hectic for me. Yes, I will say I am totally cured. I had suffered =
for many years, with pain, nausea, burning in the throat, cough, choking, =
it seems as though you could name it and I was affected. When I first =
started the ginger root it was a dose but as Dr. Stoll says you get used =
to the sensation. At the time I started the ginger root I was taking =
prevacid, some prilosec and when I started the ginger root I quit the =
meds. I took the ginger root for a month straight then stopped it and =
within a day and a half symptoms returned so I started the ginger root =
again and took it for about another month and then stopped it and have =
been symptom free (knock on wood) for approximately 3+ months now. I =
generally tend tow watch what I eat and don't eat prior to 2 hours to =
going to bed; elevating the bed also helps to keep the acid down. Please, =
before you consider any surgery, try the ginger root. I was told surgery =
would trade one set of problems for another andsure didn't want to take =
that route anyway. Occasionally, I may have indigestion and I take a tum =
or rolaid and it goes away very quickly. Having been as sick as I was =
being complicated by the helicobacter infection, I am grateful to feel as =
well as I do so believe me it really does work. The ginger root will also =
help your nausea. Hope I was helpful to you. Feel free to contact me =
again and good luck to you. =20

Linda V.

Re: Gerd - Testimonial

Posted by Lee on February 11, 1998 at 01:50:39:

In Reply to: Gerd - Testimonial posted by Linda on February 09, 1998 at 15:38:02:

thanks for taking time to post your testimonial. It was inspiring, especially since today, for reasons unknown, I took a turn for the worse, and for the first time am experiencing a feeling of choking, and that my esophogus has food in in, or that food won't go down, and like my chest is quite contricted. I am really sad about this, and am also scared. since is the first time i have experienced this, i am thinking, do i have to sleep in a chair? I can't imaging lying down and going to sleep. again, thank you for the testimonial.

Re: Gerd - Testimonial

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 11, 1998 at 14:33:33:

In Reply to: Gerd - Testimonial posted by Linda on February 09, 1998 at 15:38:02:

Dear Linda,

Thanks for the testimonial. You will help a lot of people avoid the hell you had to go through to get here just by sharing your example.

NOW, be sure to continue to be a student of your total condition.


Re: Gerd - Testimonial

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 11, 1998 at 15:01:45:

In Reply to: Re: Gerd - Testimonial posted by Lee on February 11, 1998 at 01:50:39:

Dear Lee,

GERD is frequently reflux ASSOCIATED with esophageal spasm. Many times getting rid of the reflux removes enough inflammation (which aggravates any associated spasm) that the spasm disappears too. Fred is one who had almost pure spasm without the reflux.

Spasm is directly caused by the dysautonomia caused by chronic fight or flight and can only be resolved by 6-12 months of effective skilled relaxation practiced at least 20 minutes twice a day (never within 2 hours of retiring).

This is not something to fear but an indication of the % of your problem caused by the spasm. GRJ only deals with the reflux.


Re: Gerd - Testimonial

Posted by lee on February 11, 1998 at 15:39:22:

In Reply to: Re: Gerd - Testimonial posted by Walt Stoll on February 11, 1998 at 15:01:45:

Dear Dr. Walt, first,my apology for not contacting you sooner. Everytime I've tried to post a comment to you my computer went on the blink!!! Anyway, a great big thank you. w/o your billboard and your book I'd be quite lost as to how to deal w/ my temporary condition of ill health. I read on the BB where one man was berating you for not explaining the ginger juice procedure enuf, and he implied you were using the BB to hype your book, and I felt that was pretty unfair to you, because your book is fantastic, (I will be purchasing 2 more, for my son w/ asthma, and my best girlfriend), and is the most sensible book, and is concise.And as far as the ginger juice, you've got it explained many times, and if someone can figure out how to find you on the net, then they should be able shred some ginger! I started the GRJ again today, and that constricting feeling in my throat, like I am choking, is gone, and so is the pain I had last night. Of course I am continuing to meditate, and really look forward to it, and using that deep relaxation as a base line, I am becoming more aware of the "bracing" which is habitual by now. I was feeling so much better that I was really taken aback by last night's episode. I am going to a gastro specialist tomorow, just to confirm I don't have cancer and to see if he can give me read on the condition of my esophogus. I am not aware of a clinic here like the one you had in KY, which sounds like it was far too good to be true. Thank you for the time you put into helping so many people. Lee

GERD? Sore throat&tired!

Posted by Nick De Nora on February 11, 1998 at 20:59:09:

Dr.SToll, 5 months ago one night i smoked a cigar and developed laryngitis(i don't smoke),that turned into a chronic sore throat i come from a family that talks alot and i used to go out on Fri.Sat.My primary Dr.1st told me it was a virus,then walking pnemonia,then i was tested for mono,throat culture,on penicilin,Doxcycline,then he said i had alergies,put me on claritin,then told me to get a humidifier now i am refered to a specialist who says i have GERD.I had and upper GI done and it confirmed reflux my only symtoms are sore throat and tiredness especially after i eat, and if i talk alot, the dr. said my vocal chords are red. I am on Ranitidine 150mg. Please Help anything i can do????

Re: GERD? Sore throat&tired!

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 13, 1998 at 11:56:42:

In Reply to: GERD? Sore throat&tired! posted by Nick De Nora on February 11, 1998 at 20:59:09:

Dear Nick,

Are you still getting advice from the doc who had so many diagnoses, none of which were right?

You can get rid of the GERD symptoms by using the search feature for this BB & reading everything you can find about GERD or Hiatus Hernia.

However, your GERD is but one of the tips of the iceberg and you really have to learn how all this is connected. My book would be a good place to start (link below).

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.



Posted by Joe on February 14, 1998 at 09:21:06:

Dear Dr Stoll,
I've been on medication for GERD since November 1997 and was told by my gastroenterologist that I am at the max for medication. 1 Propulsid before each meal and 1 at bedtime, two Prilosec in the AM and 1 in the PM. Last month I had an endoscopy which showed mild inflamation at the GE junction. No Barretts and no H. Pylori. I still have symptoms even with these mega doses of medication. Today I am purchasing the ginger root and will let you know how I do. I am hoping that I can stop the medication and be symptom free. Sincerely, Joe Arcoleo

Re: Gerd - Testimonial

Posted by lee on February 14, 1998 at 18:47:36:

In Reply to: Re: Gerd - Testimonial posted by Walt Stoll on February 13, 1998 at 11:01:31:

I went to a gastro dr. and he gave me prescription for prilosec to take 2xs a day for two months. His motivation is that I have no voice, and what does come out is croaky. I didn't fulfill the prescription, and then, i got the flu, and saw a g.p. who picked up on the voice right away, and said, take the damn drug, you are letting bacteria in all that irritated lining, and acid can seep into lungs at night etc. Anyway he also suggested reglan to take, and I feel like, oh no, i am on the allopathic escalator. My question is: how dangerous is it to take the prilosec for 2 months. I will continue meditating,no caffine, no alchol, etc. the other life style changes. It seems an easy way to bring my voice back, which, at this point, is a profesional liability. I actually take my assistant w/ me, who "translates" for me in presentations. Please advise. P.S. the gastro dr. couldn't answer my question: what does stinging tongue mean? do you know what that indicates? Thank you. Lee

Re: Gerd - Testimonial

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 15, 1998 at 10:41:21:

In Reply to: Re: Gerd - Testimonial posted by lee on February 14, 1998 at 18:47:36:

Dear Lee,

I think you should take the medication. If it resolves your voice I would be AMAZED. I hope you will share your experience with us AND the doc who led you to believe that it would help your voice. It certainly isn't going to hurt you to take the prilosec (except your pocketbook) for such a short time. HOWEVER, remember to read the package insert BEFORE spending your money.

The "stinging tongue" is just a symptom of your LGS as is your GERD. Remember, your voice problem is directly caused by the "bracing" that causes the LGS. Simplistic conventional medical thinking says that your voice is caused by the GERD because they are associated through the bracing (something the conventional medical paradigm has no idea about yet). Selye wrote about this more than 50 years ago. How long should it take for physicians to learn a new way of looking at things? Seemingly forever if we can make LOTS of money ignoring new concepts.

In MY opinion, you are seeing two pretty ignorant physicians. Ignorance is curable by acquisition of knowledge. Intentional ignorance is frequently permanent.


Re: Results 100% positive

Posted by Joe Arcoleo on February 15, 1998 at 11:53:53:

In Reply to: Re: Results 100% positive posted by Walt Stoll on February 01, 1998 at 10:35:27:

Yesterday I bought two ginger roots, I juiced one and left the other in the refrigerator. I took my first dose yesterday and felt somewhat better. Today was my second dose, no reflux but a little chest pressure. I also took 2 prilosecs this morning which is my usual dose in the am. I am hoping that I can discontinue all medications soon. Thank you Dr. Stoll for your help so far.

Re: Gerd - Testimonial

Posted by lee on February 15, 1998 at 21:27:19:

In Reply to: Re: Gerd - Testimonial posted by Walt Stoll on February 15, 1998 at 10:41:21:

thank you, and I will keep you posted. I surmise that the thinking is that if the acid is kept out of my esophegus for a few months, it will heal. Well see. I appreciate your time and thoughts.


Posted by Walt Stoll on February 16, 1998 at 11:01:24:

In Reply to: GERD posted by Joe on February 14, 1998 at 09:21:06:

Thanks, Joe.

We will be looking forward to your GRJ testimonial. Remember, it is only a way to get rid of your symptoms. You still need to deal with the causes to keep it gone.



Posted by Joe Arcoleo on February 16, 1998 at 11:27:08:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Walt Stoll on February 16, 1998 at 11:01:24:

How do I deal with the causes? My gastroenterologist never explained the causes of GERD. Im moving on anyway to a new gastroenterologist. My symptoms seem to be different than others. I get a pressure behind my sternum. Yes Ive been through a Cardiac workup and my heart is fine. Once in a while I get a reflux of acid but not too often. Im only taking 2 prilosec a day 1 in am and 1 in pm. Im hoping the GRJ can relieve all my symtoms. I'll keep you aware of my progress. Thank you. Joe Arcoleo


Posted by Jim on February 16, 1998 at 12:10:46:

In Reply to: Re: GERD posted by Joe Arcoleo on February 16, 1998 at 11:27:08:


Take the time to scroll down the board and read the posts. You will recognize your symptoms and learn a lot about where they come from. The ginger will reduce your symptoms but it is not the cause, and worse troubles are probably down the road if you donít do something about the cause. I know, I lived it.

Another Gastro won't help. I felt like I was in the specialty of the month club during my search. They don't have a clue. You are going to have to do it yourself by educating yourself and changing your life style. There is no easy way.

OK, I'll reduce your suspense. The GERD is from the leaky gut, which is from the bracing. "Huh?" you are saying right now. OK, surf the board, read the Home Page, get a copy of Dr. Stoll's book and read it over a few times. When you start getting the picture, then this board and Dr. Stoll will be of great help to you on your journey.

It is not a "quick fix," and it will definitely test your moxie.


GERD: Update and Test procedures

Posted by David Harrison on February 17, 1998 at 13:03:34:

Since day two of the GRJ regimen, I have shed my most severe reflux symptoms in terms of discomfort. For more than 2 months I have been taking GRJ, eating exclusively whole foods and meditating twice a day for 20-60 minutes at a time. As a result, I have felt substantially better and know that this lifestyle change will be a perminant one for me. This will be necessary to prevent my illness(es) from happening again.

However, after much thought, meditation and prayer, I have concluded the right path for me is to move ahead with the Laparoscopic Nissen Fundoplication. I have had what "I" determine to be ALL the testing required to yeild maximum benefits from such a decision. I have also done my homework on GERD, Hospitals, Surgeons and related procedures for almost a year now. It is essential to be well versed and in the drivers seat.

If you have found a path to wellness that is working for you then you are on your way to solving more problems than just GERD as you would well know and I salute you for your efforts and success. If you are considering some of the testing available to further understand your physical state, I would like to share the following with you. I have had what I consider to be, the full test suite for GERD and would like to share the Manometry and 24 Hour PH procedures in detail with you. ( I have had an Upper GI, Endoscopy, Manometry, 24 Hour PH and CT scan ... I highly recommend all of these if considering the Nissen, even if your doctor does not )

The Manometry is done to check for esophageal motility or the proper contractions in the esophagus. This is essential to push food down to the stomach. The actual procedure takes only fifteen minutes. Consider this test another of life's adventures.
There is NO pain involved with this procedure and once you understand every step, there is no apprehension as well. Preparation for this test is to simply not eat that morning. In your normal clothing, you will lay on your side in a standard doctor's office setting. The doctor or technician performing the test will lubricate the end of a small tube (half the diameter of a straw or less), also called a probe and explain what is going to occur. While sitting on the exam table, they will insert the tube into a nostril slowly and feed it in to the back of your throat. This may make you have the sensation of sneezing and your eyes may water but note that should this occur, it is an involuntary reaction and not due to pain. Once the tube is at the back of your throat, you will be asked to gulp some water while the tube passes by your windpipe. This is easy and almost undetectable. From this point forward, you will only feel a mild sensation of what I would describe as a hair in the back of your throat (not bad at all) and the tube sliding over the sensitive membrane in your nose and sinuses.
From 8 to 12 inches of this tube lay in your stomach and it is slowly brought back out the same way it went in. The tube has four points of measurement on it. Each point of measurement simply has the ability to detect pressure and they are spaced approximately 2 to 4 inches apart. You will be able to view the monitor that the doctor or technician are using to guide the test and collect results. You will be able to talk, breath and swallow fine during the entire procedure, so ask questions. It's all very exciting and interesting.
The tube (or probe) is then completely removed and you are done! You have immediate feedback on the results because you are watching and asking questions. While it is an experience, it is also a snap and I would not hesitate to do it again.

The 24 Hour PH test is in some respects similar to the Manometry but can be a little more uncomfortable due to the length of time. The purpose of this test is to measure the level of acidity in the esophagus, just above the lower esophageal sphincter (or LES).
Preparation for this test is to be off of prescription acid reduction medication for four days prior to the procedure. Antacids like gaviscon can be taken up to 6 before the test. A technician or doctor will lubricate the end of small diameter tube (even smaller than that used in the Manometry) and insert it in the same manner as the Manometry.
Once placed in your esophagus, you are x-rayed to ensure proper placement of the probe. This probe must be just above the LES. Any adjustments are made and you are given a small harness supporting a data recorder. ( Pleae note that the "probe" is simply the end of the tube and it is not larger and appears no different than the rest of the tube)
You are then are instructed to go about your normal day and indicate on a log and possibly press a button on your recorder at every meal or severe symptom. The following day you return to have the probe removed which is quick and easy. A technician will compile the results within a weeks time but you will have a good indication of the results because you are able to monitor the ph levels yourself. The data recording device will have a display indicating the actual ph, 7.0 being neutral and anything under 4.5 showing significant acidity. This is a priceless opportunity in which one can link the physical symptoms of GERD with the internal activity. I encourage experimentation near the end of the test. For instance, I tried eating a few acidic goodies, pushing during a bowel movement and a little gavison to measure the response. I did these things only within the last hour of the test, so we would all have our results.

Hope someone finds this useful. Feel free to contact me with any questions, no matter how small.


Re: GERD: Update and Test procedures

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 18, 1998 at 10:58:12:

In Reply to: GERD: Update and Test procedures posted by David Harrison on February 17, 1998 at 13:03:34:

Thanks, David.

Your note goes right along with what I have promoted for the past 30 years: There IS a place for allopathic medicine! It is by COMBINING conventional medicine WITH alternatives that the true potential of health care for the 21st century will be realized. You have done your homework & are making an informed consent about what your next step will be. Would that EVERYONE took that responsibility!

Please let us know how you do. I am glad that this problem served to get you on the path to wellness so things like this will not happen in the future.


Re: GERD: Update and Test procedures

Posted by David Harrison on February 19, 1998 at 08:44:21:

In Reply to: Re: GERD: Update and Test procedures posted by Walt Stoll on February 18, 1998 at 10:58:12:

Dear Walter,

Thank you. You will be featured in an article coming up this spring on GERD, LGS and wellness. Here a copy of an article I wrote for a Southern New Hampshire paper this week, in which I mention your name.

Does my doctor really care that Iím not getting better?

To the editor:
I canít sleep and the chest pains are increasing. I can see my wife is sleeping like a baby and I donít want to bother her or anyone else for that matter. Finally, at 3:30am, I feel I have no choice and have to visit the ER. They check my heart as usual, which is ok and then to my surprise, they discover my upper digestive tract is the culprit. I thank the ER doctor emphatically because this is news.
I am a 38 year old male that has had GERD (or Chronic Heartburn) for the past four years but was misdiagnosed for three of them with anxiety and heart problems. I have always trusted doctors when it came to taking care of my health but I have to say, ďNo more!Ē. I blame only myself for being the Good Patient all my life and allowing others to control my health.
For the past four years I have been seeing my doctor as my problems have increased in frequency and severity, and for four years he has spent no more than two and a half minutes at a time with me before sending me on my way. Hereís how the average doctorís appointment breaks down. After waiting an ungodly amount of time for an appointment I am early for, I sit and wait alone in a sterile room. A medical assistant comes in and takes my vitals. Finally, the doctor enters the room abruptly and the clock starts ticking. I now feel like Iím handing a cup of water to a passing marathon runner. It can start with a smile or a dedicated look of concern but almost always there is at least the appearance of listening very carefully. There may be a little exchange and the patient feels good because they are talking and the doctor is listening and taking notes. Iíve brought my own notes and mention all my premeditated questions and concerns. I am now two minutes into my appointment. This is actually a good start but the tragedy is just beginning. The doctor looks me in the eye and says with confidence, ďIt seems Ö, and you should Ö, ok?Ē. ďI seeĒ, I say, ďYou mean Ö?Ē. ďThatís rightĒ, he says. Hmmm. I begin thinking about this when Iím distracted by his gestures. Itís quite clear that heís done. I can hear it in his voice and heís moving towards the door. ďWaitĒ, I say or scream internally, ďI have more questionsĒ. How can I prepare my follow up questions ahead of time? I need time to absorb this! If I do stop him, heís irritated and impatient. If I donít, I leave like a lost sheep, hoping this guy somehow understands, even though my better judgment tells me he does not.
I have lived a life of hell for four years because I did not have a medical partner working with me. This party ended only late last year when I could tolerate this ritual no more. I took control by amassing a great deal of information and becoming an expert on my condition. I then had the testing I knew I needed without his consent and fired him as my primary care physician because of his masked lack of concern and documented misdiagnosis. To this day, he refuses to write a referral for the testing I had done even though he recommended it the very day I ended our doctor/patient relationship. Egoís are always damaging but in this field they can be catastrophic.
I have since found a practice in Cambridge MA. where I am treated with kindness and respect. They support my efforts in every way and they spend the time needed for me to understand everything. They donít let me leave until I am done and look at the causation as well as the symptoms. I am happy to say that I am finally on my way to wellness after so many years. Kudos to Stanley Sagov, M.D. and Mike Lee, M.D. of Cambridge Family Practice Group, P.C. and Dr. Walter Stoll of Kentucky (http://askwaltstollmd.com). Unique physicians who help heal people in need before considering the almighty bottom line.
It is a difficult task for physicians to balance the business aspects of their practice while affording their patients the best possible health care. We should all have compassion for the careers they have chosen because if they are doing their job right, it is a difficult one. They must share significant time with their patients. They must let the patient drive and assist them in making informed decisions. They must put their egos aside. They must be open to thinking not necessarily taught in medical school. Each person is different and must be seen that way. Until a physician is able to slow down enough to do these things, they do their patients a disservice. Unfortunately, this translates into fewer patients but the payback is tremendous in terms of promoting good health and healing. Someday, we may have a system that rewards these pioneering physicians, but until then, appreciate these rare healers at every opportunity.

David JM Harrison
Derry, NH

100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available

Posted by Leland Starr on February 20, 1998 at 05:18:43:

100% PURE GINGER JUICE, Now available by mail. The star of the healing spices. To order or for more Info; go to www.rarebird.net/starrman Good health to all. starrman out.

Re: GERD: Update and Test procedures

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 20, 1998 at 13:39:13:

In Reply to: Re: GERD: Update and Test procedures posted by David Harrison on February 19, 1998 at 08:44:21:

Dear David,

These are the things that need to be said! Most people KNOW what you are saying but do not have the courage to stand up for themselves until they get desperate.

Physicians who only work for the "bottom line" should be doing something else for a living.

Thanks for sharing and I hope you will continue to speak out. Many of those who are on the cusp of speaking out will be pushed over the edge by seeing that they are not alone.


Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available

Posted by Irene in TX on February 20, 1998 at 15:23:35:

In Reply to: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available posted by Leland Starr on February 20, 1998 at 05:18:43:

Why does this product say "Do not drink straight"?

Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Jane Austin on February 20, 1998 at 16:12:32:

I too have had unexplained upper abdominal pain with nausea since I had food poisoning 3 years ago while pregnant. Cocacola seemed to help, but now I'm nursing and she doesn't like caffeine.

Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available

Posted by Leland Starr on February 21, 1998 at 04:04:39:

In Reply to: Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available posted by Irene in TX on February 20, 1998 at 15:23:35:

Dear Irene, 100% pure ginger juice is very strong, by itself. It's 100% Ginger Root non-diluted. If you drank it by itself, it would be like drinking Chili Pepper Juice straight. After I printed the label I thought some people might get the wrong impression. I will be up-dated the wording soon, along with UPC codes. For sale in stores nationwide. Thank you for your question.
Leland Starr.

Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 21, 1998 at 09:56:18:

In Reply to: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available posted by Leland Starr on February 20, 1998 at 05:18:43:

Dear Leland,

I would be very interested in hearing what % of people resolve their GERD with this product. I am alwqys looking for easier ways for people to use GRJ for GERD. This would be an alternative for many people if it is as effective as the freshly juiced root.

Of course, the Chinese did not have the luxury of using GRJ this way. SO, to my knowledge this has mever been tried and documented. The only reason I have promoted the protocol fot GRJ, that I have, is that this process is what the Chinese found worked for the highest % of people over thousands of years of empirical experience.


Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Dauber0019 on February 21, 1998 at 10:09:26:

I went to the ER on Thursday night and was diagnosed with Esphogeal Colic. I have no idea what that is. My throat did not hurt, I just had a hard time swallowing, drinking or eating because it would not go down the "tube." It did, but it was really slow and very uncomfortable. They gave me a shot which relaxed the muscles in my esphogas, and it helped with the uncomfortableness, but it was still hard to get anything down the "tube". Now I woke up today and my throat is all swollen up and I have a hard time talking, swallowing, drinking and breathing. Any clues as to what this is? I would really appreciate an answer ASAP. I am really worried as to what this could be. Thank you for your time. Dauber0019

Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 21, 1998 at 10:36:34:

In Reply to: Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ? posted by Jane Austin on February 20, 1998 at 16:12:32:

Dear Jane,

You almost certainly have dysbiosis and leaky gut syndrome, both of which were aggravated by your "food poisoning" (which you likely would never have gotten if you had not had LGS first).

Along with your dysbiosis, you likely have multiple parasitosis--of which candida is a very likely component.

It is time for you to start understanding WHY this ever happened to you AND that you are certain to have more serious gastrointestinal problems in the future if you do not drink of the stream of knowledge and deeply.

The most concentrated, easiest to understand AND least expensive resource I know of for you to get on the path to resolving this (rather than just living with it) is a copy of my book (link below).

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.


Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available

Posted by Dianne on February 21, 1998 at 17:22:03:

In Reply to: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available posted by Leland Starr on February 20, 1998 at 05:18:43:

How long is the shelf life of ginger juice? How many teaspoons in an ounce? (If you take 1 t. per day, how long would 1 bottle last?) Thanks.

Re: Gerd

Posted by Cathy Hill on February 21, 1998 at 17:45:50:

To whomever may read this note. Please help me! I am a new GERD sufferer, and really
need help in trying to determine how I am going to live with
this problem. I have already missed 2 weeks of work, and am thinking seriously
about quitting my job. It is a high-stress job and there's no way i'll be able
to deal with this pain and the stress. This is very depressing.

Also, the other point I wanted to make is that I think I created my own problem
with this GERD. While sick with a stomach bug, I over-used the anti-spasmodal drugs
to stop my stomach craps, and at the same time, I must have damaged my LES, because soon
after the stomach bug was gone, then the GERD started, and it's been horrible ever since
(2 weeks now). I've already been started on the Prilosec and just started the Propulsid.
Don't like the Propulsid too much; it makes me entirely too hungrey; have to eat every hour or so or
my stomach will go crazy.

Are there any other remedies that can help!!??



Cathy H.

Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Harold K. on February 22, 1998 at 08:38:48:

Dear Dr. Stoll... I've had abdominal pain for the last ten years now and it's brought on by physical activity. For example, if I lift weights or even lift heavy furniture, I get a slight pain in my lower right abdomen. Once I aggrevate that area, I will have diarrhea for four to five days and my stool will have a very bad odor. My breath will also take on a very strong smell that seems to come from my stomach. When I really aggrevate the problem with continued physical activity, my throat will tend to get tight and sometimes activities like walking up stairs will almost cause me to throw-up. I can normally feel when the aggrevation occurs because it feels like I slightly pull or tear something in my stomach. I've had numerous tests over the past ten years but doctors have not been able to find anything and they seem unable to believe that physical activity can cause the diarrhea. At one time, a doctor suggested that I might have an adhesion, another doctor suggested irritable bowel syndrome, another suggested "Runners Stomach" and another suggested that it was nerves - or in other words, all in my mind. My situation is not life-threatening, however, I'm not able to participate in many of the activities that I would like to because it seems as if any activity that involves stomach muscles aggrevates the condition (e.g., swinging a golf club or a baseball bat, lifting heavy weights). I even bought an AB Cruncher to see if I could strengthen my abdominal muscles and using it really aggrevated the condition. Any thoughts?

Sinusitis, reflux & stinging tongue

Posted by StevieN on February 22, 1998 at 11:14:20:

Dr. Stoll,

I have been battling a sinus infection since the begining of december but to no avail. At the same time I was diagonised with reflux. I have been on & off antibiotics/decongestants since then. I am also taking zantac two times a day. Since december I have a burning sensation in my mouth/stinging on my tongue. Headaches. My throat seems to be full of mucus or at least the sensation that something is there. I also have the burning sensation in my chest, sometimes on the back of my arms & my shoulders. I have done what the doctor recommended but to no avail re: reflux. He prescribed prepulsid but I refuse to go this route. It's been eight weeks since the diagnosis and my sinusitis is not better. My reflux is not better. Is there anything you can recommend for sinusitis? Tommorrow I will start the GRJ. I will let everybody know the results. I would also like to buy a copy of your book, I am canadian, how can I get a copy? I have been reading this board on & off since xmas and only now feel confident to take your advice. Thank you


Re: Sinusitis, reflux & stinging tongue

Posted by Jim on February 22, 1998 at 12:24:58:

In Reply to: Sinusitis, reflux & stinging tongue posted by StevieN on February 22, 1998 at 11:14:20:

Go for it Stevie. Everything you've said sounds really familiar to me, especially the docs not being able to find anything. I've overcome the same symptoms with Walt's advice. Don't stop with the ginger juice. It will help a great deal, but it won't get at the problem.


Did I Create this problem with GERD !?

Posted by Cathy Hill on February 22, 1998 at 17:38:07:

I recently contacted a stomach virus that had been circulating
around throughout the family. When I got this bug, I was
out of town on a business trip. My stomach started cramping
very bad and I didn't know what was happening. I went to the
ER doubled over in pain. I also started taking a lot of Pepto
Bismol, Maalox, GAS-X, and the ER doctor gave me a prescription
for something called Donnatil Elixer (this was a liquid). I was
taking this stuff 4 and 5 times a day to make the stomach cramps
stop. The stomach bug eventually went away, but after 5 days of
taking that Donnatil (anti-spasmodal), I now have very bad
symptoms of GERD. I went to my Dr. when I returned home,
and he has started me on Prilosec. After a few days, my
symptoms were still bad, so he gave me Propulsid. Things have
improved, but I'm still concerned about this overall.

My question is this. Could I have caused this problem with
GERD? Prior to my trip and the overuse of the anti-spasmodal
drug, I never suffered with the slightest heartburn. Will I
always have these problems now? Whatever info you can provide
would be appreciated.


Cathy Hill


Posted by LOra Adkins on February 22, 1998 at 21:39:13:

Let me tell you my story of sorrow, one day eleven years ago, I was in the office (Southside Virginia Training Center working as a secretary) I ate but did not get full. From that day, food has not satisfied the hunger sensation. It seemed when I ate I get even hungrier. This went on for about three days and I mentioned the problem to the Health Services Coordinator. She told me that sounded funny I needed to go see a doctor. I made an appt., and went to see the doctor he told me, nothing was wrong I had a mental problem and needed to see a psychiatrist. I thought to myself he is crazy, not me. I pursued further for four years and continued to go see other doctors around the Richmond area. No one found anything. After four years I started talking to different people and expanded the search beyond my knowledge. I have tried every professional person for assistance that I have been told. The most discouraging thing is I have tried some of everything and everyone feels they have the answer, but each time I am let down for another failure. I have spend many many many dollars to the point I am mentally, physically and financially drained. I have information that I have written and obtained mentally to offer to someone who would like to write a book about my struggle. I have not meet anyone who has had a similar problem, that's why I have always said my problem is very uncommon. I often have pain in my stomach, has been to the doctor many times, nothing found. I wish for peace and happiness on a daily basis, but cannot find it. Everyone day I search for answers all over the world. I have meet people in India, California and numerous other places who have tried to assist me in resolving this problem but we again have been unsuccessful. I really appreciate those who care enough to help me. Those people keep me going for another day. I have been seeking help for approximately 10 years. I have seen many physicians, psychics, Astrologist and many others who I thought could help but have been very unsuccessful. I stay hungry 24-hours per day seven days per week. I never get any relief. I have received the following treatments: taken many psychotropic medications, many herbal medications, tried rebirthing, bioenery balancing, accupuncture, hypnosis, and many other things I cannot think of at this point, nothing have worked. I become very depressed at times, because I do not want to live like this for the rest of my life. My question to myself is do you think this will ever go away? I want to think yes, but each day is hopeless. I am tired of doctor's telling me nothing is wrong. I have alot of diaherra and sudden bowel movements. Can you help and/or heard of a similar situation? dO YOU THINK MY BODY IS PRODUCING TOO MUCH STOMACH ACID? Email address Rmoore302@aol.com

Lost Lonely Person Living in Sorrow and Pain
Lora Adkins

Re: Did I Create this problem with GERD !?

Posted by David Harrison on February 23, 1998 at 09:58:05:

In Reply to: Did I Create this problem with GERD !? posted by Cathy Hill on February 22, 1998 at 17:38:07:

Dear Cathy,

It is entirely possible that your symptoms will clear up and that will be that. However, if they do not, be sure to search on GERD here and read everything you can get your hands on. As has been said so many times on this BB before, you will need to become an expert on your condition.

As far as the origin of GERD goes, I have found Dr. Stoll's beliefs to be consistent with my case and all others I know with the problem. He describes the origin of GERD and many other ailments to the "Fight or Flight" response (or bracing). Addressing this physical response in turn addresses ancillary symptoms like GERD, etc...

I have spoken with many people with GERD and found the following commonality in all to varying degrees.

1) Stress exists.
2) An immune system weakening event has taken place.

The stress can be both physical and emotional. It can be "normal" stress as we've known it all our lives or a creeping stress. It may not even be recognized by the person until after the fact, in retrospect.

The weakening of immune system can come in many different flavors. It can be bacterial or viral infection or even physical trauma like lifting something too heavy.

The point here is that the body can only handle so much stress before it begins to break. When are bodies become weakened from years of stress, a hit to the immune system can be the straw that breaks the camels back.


1) Weight is moot. Heavy and thin people have GERD.
2) GERD can run in family or not. Most of my relatives have this problem but others are the first in their families.
3) Diet surely plays a role in recovery and wellness but does not in itself cause GERD. In other words, if you are eating a good GERD diet prior to having GERD, you can still get it due to bracing and the aforementioned.

If your symptoms continue, it is most important that YOU become the expert and take control.

Please feel free to contact me and I hope you stay in contact with this BB.



Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Erin Sperling on February 23, 1998 at 13:09:53:

I have been reading these testimonials and am so glad I am not turning into a hypochondriac! I have had chronic upper abdominal pain since Fall, was diagnosed as having gallstones and had my gallbladder out. What a mistake! Now I have recurring pain on my LEFT side, 3-5 inches up from my navel and over, almost under the rib cage. It is very tender if I apply any pressure. I thought perhaps the surgeon scraped something (he did the gallbladder removal by laproscopy and looked around on my left side as well, and did an upper endoscopy to make sure I didn't have ulcers, etc.), because the left side has hurt since the endoscopic procedure. However, over the last few months I have had the surgery, endoscopy, barium enema, abdominal x-ray, and countless blood tests, all coming back normal, with the exception of the stones. Forgive my ignorance, but could you give a brief summary of parasitosis, leaky-gut syndrome, dysbiosis, and acute intermittent porphyria? I did order the book, but would like to see that I am on the right track here. I am driving my husband nuts--he thinks it is all in my head, and I was starting to believe him. Plus we want to try and have a second child but I do not want to do that until I know I don't have something terminal here! Am I missing anything else? I appreciate any feedback you can provide, Dr. Stoll. Erin

Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 23, 1998 at 17:24:22:

In Reply to: Re: stomach acid in throat posted by Dauber0019 on February 21, 1998 at 10:09:26:

Dear Dauber,

The "shot" they gave you was a tranquilizer. Why did they not tell you THAT?

The only cause of this condition (short of rupturing the diaphragm in a horrendous auto accident that causes terrific blunt trauma------------very rare) is the intolerable storage of overwhelming stress-effect in the hypothalamus.

The causes and resolution of this condition is WELL known but it takes a few minutes for the doc to explain in and most people wouldn't do that s/he said anyhow. In MY way of thinking it is the responsibility of ALL physicians to educate the patient every time. THEN, is s/he decides to take a magic pill, so be it. SOME would do what needs to be done to resolve it and THEY deserve to know.

Use the search feature provided with this BB & read everything you can find about GERD and hiatus hernia. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

In the meantime, you could get a headstart about WHY you have this & what to do about it by reading a copy of my book (link below).


Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Walt on February 24, 1998 at 12:05:48:

In Reply to: Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ? posted by Harold K. on February 22, 1998 at 08:38:48:

Dear Harold,

Your story is SO classical that I am embarassed for my MD colleagues. They should be ashamed to order lots of expensive tests and then tell you that they think it is in your head.

ANY Chiropractor, Naturopath, Acupuncturist, Homeopath, Colon Therapist, Herbologist (as a matter of fact, MDs--and maybe some DOs--are the only people in the world who might NOT know exactly what this is) would know what you have without touching you. This is mainly because you did such a great job describing what makes it worse, what is causes, etc. Just think, the highest paid conventional professionals in the country are the least likely to know what you have. It is time to break their monopoly.

As you get over this, I hope you will take the time to share your experiences with the participants of this BB. Others deserve to know that it is time to break the conventional medical monopoly that is doing this kind of c--p every day.

You have advanced leaky gut symdrome with a leaky iliocecal valve. Even with this, this is a very gentle message your bodymind is sending you in the hope that you will hear this message before it has to send you a louder message. I don't even want to list those louder messages to which you will become more susceptible every year that this goes on. I would be accused of trying to frighten you.

If you become the expert you will need to be to get rid of this, you will know exactly of which I speak.

In the meantime, while you are setting up your appointment with a good local Chiropractor/Herbologist/Naturopath/Homeopath/Acupuncturist, you could get some relief by taking a tablespoon of pure chlorophyll about 3-4 times a day. This is not a cure for this condition but will give you significant relief while you are GETTING cured.

By the way, any straining you do will aggravate this. It will not help to do those exercises you mentioned. Listen to your body. This is an internal problem and has nothing to do with the strength of your abdominal muscles.

There are lots of notes on this BB about what to do about LGS (leaky gut syndrome) and you might want to use the search feature and read about it. Also, on the homepage of this 'site, there are a couple of articles about this. Also, my entire book would relate to what is behind your condition even though I don't think "leaky iliocecal valve"is even mentioned in the book (link below).

Congratulations on doing such a beautiful job descrbing your problem. ANYONE COMPETENT TO GIVE PEOPLE HEALTH ADVICE COULDN'T MISS THIS DIAGNOSIS.


Re: Sinusitis, reflux & stinging tongue

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 24, 1998 at 12:26:58:

In Reply to: Sinusitis, reflux & stinging tongue posted by StevieN on February 22, 1998 at 11:14:20:

Dear StevieN,

Since (800 numbers do not cross international borders--and credit cards do--I will offer you my home number & handle your order from here. Call (850) 747-8669. If I am not there, you will get an answering service. I will need to know how many books you want, the shipping address where you want them sent, and a phone number where I can call if I have trouble with the order. I would need your credit card (Visa, Master Card or Discover) number and expiration date.

For international orders, I have to charge $2 extra for shipping & handling. SO, one book would be $9.95 plus $5.05 for S&H. Four, or more, books would be $5 each plus $2 for S&H. Four books = $20, 5 = $25, etc., each plus the $2 for S&H.

The post office reminds me that there is a customs charge. Since this is different for each country, only your PO could tell you what it is. You pay on the basis of what the book cost actually is, not for the cost of the shipping.

The GRJ is only going to take care of some of your symptoms. The ones that go are the ones actually due to the acid reflux. It sounds to me that most of your symptoms are due to the chronic muscle tension you are carrying in your upper body, head , neck and throat/esophagus. The information in the book would help you see how this is all connected. For right now, my suggestion for immediate relief would be a combination of the GRJ and a deep, total body, therapeutic massage 3 times a week for 2 weeks. This would not cure you but would improve you so much that you would know we were on the right track.

In the long run, the most important thing for you to do is to learn an effective skilled relaxation technique and practice it at least 20 minutes twice a day (never within 2 hours of retiring). You would be normal within 6-12 months. If you ever stop doing this technique at least once a day, the problem will probably eventually come back. SOME people even need to keep it up twice a day.

I hope Doc Dave will jump in here since he would also have some additionally beneficial recommendations.

The massage thing will only last a few weeks. Rolfing would last a year or so. In the end, you need to become enough of an expert in this to know what YOU need to do to stay healthy. It surely looks like your bodymind is not going to let you keep on as you have to this age.


Re: Did I Create this problem with GERD !?

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 24, 1998 at 13:28:45:

In Reply to: Did I Create this problem with GERD !? posted by Cathy Hill on February 22, 1998 at 17:38:07:

Dear Cathy,

Listen to David.

You could not have "gotten" the "stomach virus" (if you ever had one--you know how we docs say "you have a virus" when we don't know what else to say) unless you first had severe LGS. You could not have gotten GERD without your having LGS first.

If you need to understand this in depth, get a copy of Dr Pelletier's book (recently expanded & brought up to date with a new edition) "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer". Then, if you want to understand what to DO about it, read mine (link below).

Please share your experiences, as you get well. Others are suffering just as you are (unnecessarily) and deserve to know that they have options.


Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ?

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 24, 1998 at 14:32:59:

In Reply to: Re: ABDOMINAL PAIN - many many tests----doctors stumped ? posted by Erin Sperling on February 23, 1998 at 13:09:53:

Dear Erin,

For both you and your husband:


Once you BOTH have read the book that is in the mail, write again with your questions. I will be coming out with an new and expanded edition of my book in about 6 months. Your questions & comments will help me to know what to write in the next one.

Once you have that information under your belt, our communication will be a lot more fruitful.


Please explain LGS....WALT STOLL

Posted by Cathy Hill on February 25, 1998 at 09:03:39:

In Reply to: Re: Did I Create this problem with GERD !? posted by Walt Stoll on February 24, 1998 at 13:28:45:

Walt, thank you for the comments. However, I don't know what LGS stands for. I really am trying hard to understand what's going on with my health, and I don't want to miss anything.

thanks a million!


Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available

Posted by Amber Starr on February 25, 1998 at 22:00:05:

In Reply to: Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available posted by Walt Stoll on February 21, 1998 at 09:56:18:

Hello Walt, I am very glad to connect with you about the Ginger Juice. I have been a wholistic nutritionist for 20 years, and for the last 15 years, Leland and I have had a fresh juice business-which is how we got started doing 100%fresh raw, uncooked ginger juice. Our company, Starr Light Nectars makes a raw uncooked ginger drink (with fresh fruits) called "Ginger Rush". As you know, the research on ginger is beginning to become quite substantial recently. I am also glad to inform you that our product IS FRESHLY JUICED RHIZOME IN ITS RAW UNCOOKED STATE. Putting it out on the Web seemed like the fastest way to help everyone to have alternatives to drugs and surgery for all of the powers of ginger. I had not heard of its use for GERD, until your missive and I would love to hear more from you in this regard. Of course, all of these new uses are wonderful, but don't really surprize me as Ginger has over 400 constituents. Therfore, I would love to hear from people with GERD that have utilized the power of ginger. Just today I was asked if ginger could be used for nausea associated with chemotherapy. Perhaps you have information on this too. I look forward to your next posting or e-mail. If you have'nt already our web-site address is www.rarebird.net/starrman Thank you for your attention in this matter. Amber Starr N.C.

Nausea and abdominal pain

Posted by georgie webb on February 26, 1998 at 06:38:28:

I am female, 27 years of age and a fairly active person. My symptoms started last October when suddenly a wave of weakness/nausea washed over my body. For the next 6 weeks, I would have moments when I would be on the verge of vomiting but would never actually vomit. During this stage I had no stomach pain. In December I started to get stomach pain. The pain is intermittent, some days I have it all day and others not at all, it is not necessarily caused by food and it does not wake me up at night, although sometimes I wake up and it instantly aches. The nausea usually involves an aching feeling in the glands on my neck and my mouth watering. I have been to see a gastro enterologist who has suggested an abdominal ultrasound.. do you have any other suggestions?? I started chewing minty gum to help overcome the nausea by giving my mouth a fresh taste. This seems to help although I think it may have become a psychological crutch. I also find that I easily get tired particularly after exercise.

Re: Chronic abd. pain needing effective pain management

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on February 26, 1998 at 23:24:19:

In Reply to: Chronic abd. pain needing effective pain management posted by Jutanna on February 26, 1998 at 21:56:13:

I've talked before on here about a patient I had, a 14 yr old boy who had terrible abdominal pains that put him on the floor 12 times a day. Doctor after doctor could find nothing wrong. He was scheduled for exploratory surgery and anti-depressant medication when he came into my office. I made no gurantees to the parents but knew that if it was a result of somato-visceral reflexes from spinal dysfunction I had a good chance of helping.

Examination and x-rays revealed subluxations at T9-11. I adjusted him and he had less pain the next day. After the third adjustment he was pain free and has remained that way since fall of 96'.

Again I can make no gurantees with your patient but it is definetly worth a try. We have a lot of success with indigestion and constipation/diahrrea. Have only had one person with the severe abdominal pain problem.

Hope that helps!

Re: stomach acid in throat

Posted by Mike on February 27, 1998 at 04:39:33:

To whom It May concern:

i have also had a problem with a lump feeling in my throat. I have been checked for the GERD disease and was not diagnosed, and i was also checked for hiatus hernia, and that was not the answer. Anything else i should try? That would be greatly appreciated

Thanks Mike

Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available

Posted by leland on February 27, 1998 at 14:01:06:

In Reply to: Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available posted by Dianne on February 21, 1998 at 17:22:03:

Dear Dianne, Our fresh, raw ginger root juice will last up to one month refrigerated. One ounce contains approximately 12 teaspoons, so 1 bottle will last 12 days @ 1 teaspoon a day. thank you, will answer any more questions you might have. leland starr.

Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 27, 1998 at 15:39:30:

In Reply to: Re: 100% PURE GINGER JUICE (GRJ) Easily available posted by Amber Starr on February 25, 1998 at 22:00:05:

Dear Amber,

I KNOW how effective fresh ginger juice (100%) is for GERD. I do not know ANYTHING else about it. I am not surprised to hear that it is effective for many things. Most holistic approaches work that way, don't they?

I am looking forward to learning from you at least as much as you are wanting to learn from me. Great!

I am not a good enough herbologist to even discuss herbs with you. I only know of GRJ for GERD.

What I would like you to share with the BB is what your experience IS with your product and GERD. I got MY information from old Chinese medical texts and l know nothing about whether stored pure GRJ would be as effective as the freshly juiced.

I would also appreciate your sharing with the rest of us about the other benefits of GRJ.

Thanks, Walt

upper abdominal pain

Posted by LIS ESTES on February 28, 1998 at 01:50:34:

I had gall bladder surgery about 8 years ago-look like I was in a sword fight and lost. I have been experiencing pulling sensations that have now included pinchey pain it that region. Went to my gp, had ultrasound, ruled out, stones in liver, spleen ok and kidneys ok. He says the are adhesions, which I agree, but he says he will give me pain pills if it gets too band and they will go away, naturaly, they usually do. To me this is like putting a bandaid on a scar. Where canI get info on the type of problem? Thank you in advance for your consideration. Lis

Re: throat and chest pain

Posted by David Harrison on February 28, 1998 at 07:08:08:

In Reply to: throat and chest pain posted by Lisa McCann on February 27, 1998 at 19:18:07:

Dear Lisa,

Search on GERD here at this site and find that you are not alone. Once you have determined for yourself what is going on, you be able to begin curing yourself.



Chronic abd. pain needing effective pain management

Posted by Jutanna on February 26, 1998 at 21:56:13:

I am a home health care nurse and I have a patient with chronic
abd. pain. It is not aggravated by any foods but client does
have decreased appetite. He has been taking Methadone 10mg
up to eight tablets per day but this no longer effective for
his pain. He is being seen at a pain management clinic and is
considering having a pain pump placement but wants another
option. He has related to me that the pain is believed to be
from scar tissue around his stomach but that he has been told
surgery is not an option. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

1998: Jan Feb

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