Hi Walt,
Recently I tried out a practioner who specializes in Kinesiology, Iriolgy, and Herbolgy. This was mainly to have a look before, during, and after a full colon cleanse and to have a resource for my first adventure in cleanse land. She had some accurate things to say but some things were way out in left field. Unfortunately, I had a sinus problem and my intuition was not up to par. There seems to be a lot of controversy on these practices. What do you know about them? Don't worry I am not about tho go off the deep end and take a bucket load of herbs everyday!! EEEKKKK I couldn't handle it...but I wondered if it would be worth wading through to find some things that would help or should I learn from others and run for the hills!!
Thanks!!!
Nancy
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I use a practioner who uses Kinesiology
Posted by Sharon on September 17, 1998 at 11:18:41:
In Reply to: Iridolgy and Kinesiology-Hocus Pocus? posted by Nancy on September 16, 1998 at 22:24:08:
The only "physician" I see is a chiropractor is staying current in new techniques such as energy field therapy, kinesiology, neuro-emotional techniques, homeopathy, etc. I haven't been on antibiotics or conventional medicines in years. Over the years, he has used kinesiology to see what will help my body recover from bladder infections, candida, emotional triggers, and currently giardia. He has also cleared me of allergies I've had all my life using kinesiology as the basis for the treatment. I really believe the kinesiology is the way my body can communicate with him so that he has the information he needs to direct my healing. And now there is a whole movement in psychotherapy that is using kinesiology as a way to direct emotional healing!
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Re: Iridolgy and Kinesiology-Hocus Pocus?
Posted by Walt Stoll on September 17, 1998 at 11:29:38:
In Reply to: Iridolgy and Kinesiology-Hocus Pocus? posted by Nancy on September 16, 1998 at 22:24:08:
Hi, Nancy.
Iridology is a VERY meticulous skill and it takes a practitioner willing to be a lifetime student of the art to practice it effectively. ANY honest Iridologist will say (after 50 years of study & practice) that s/he is just scratching the surface of the subject.
I would hate to have to make all of my diagnoses via iridology. However, I would also hate to make all my diagnoses with my stethescope, or my ophthalmoscope, or xrays, etc., alone. It is by combining all of them that the best diagnosis is made. Iridology PLUS Kinesiology IS an effective combination.
Unfortunately even a lifetime study does not guarantee that the individual can practice Kinesiology accurately since it is not just "scientific" but an art that not every one can do.
Iridology IS a valid tool for gathering information. The AMA thought they could finally put to rest this "quackery" (since anything they do not understand is quackery) by doing a comparative study with Iridology alone compared with A:LL of the things a board certified internist had at his or her disposal. The study, published in the JAMA about 20 years ago showed about the same accuracy from Iridology alone as the best allopathic medicine could do.
However, they subtracted from the Iridologist's score anything that their conventional tests could not find--insisting that these "false positives" proved that the iridologist was just making stabs in the dark.
However, ANY iridologist will tell you that this technique is predictive and much more sensitive about future problems than any conventional test is so far. A followup study, done 2 years later found that all of the predicted conditions were evident by then. Of course, the AMA would not allow that study to be published in the JAMA because it contradicted their conclusions in the first one.
Dr Jensen (probably the foremost Iridologist in the country at the time) was sthe doc they used.
Your best way of judging whether this practitioner can do BOTH Iridology AND Kinesiology, would be to talk to many patients that had been there---not just the ones the practitioner would recommend. It is hard to argue with success.
NEITHER of these approaches are invalid. It is just that it takes a lot of commitment to do them accurately. I had an Iridologist AND a Kinesiologist in my office in KY. I accepted their input as PART of any total evaluation and they were a significant addition to a total program.
Again, I will fall back on what I have said so many times before: Your bodymind is the best tester for whether you are doing the right thing. In my opinion, taking more than 2-3 herbs at a time indicates a "shotgun approach". Effective practitioners of these techniques should be able to narrow down what will help more than this.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
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Re: Iridolgy and Kinesiology-Hocus Pocus?
Posted by The OTHER Nancy on September 17, 1998 at 19:19:46:
In Reply to: Iridolgy and Kinesiology-Hocus Pocus? posted by Nancy on September 16, 1998 at 22:24:08:
Nancy
I'm one of those believers in iridology/kinesiology/herbalogy. I have been seeing a therapist in those arts since April. She uses only a very light touch on me because she says that I'm extremely easy to read. I've had others who pushed too hard even to the extent that it hurt. I think you have to find someone in whom you have confidence. My therapist has been through countless hours of training in her various fields and has been in it for years. She sells Natures Sunshine, but when she muscle tests other products on me, they often test as appropriate, so I don't feel like she's strictly out to sell her product. My regimen changes every time I see her (once every 2-3 months, since she lives 5 hours away), and she doesn't put me on alot of supplements at any one time. I've been healed of fibromyalgia and chronic diarrhea since seeing her. During that time, though, I've also been "relaxing" and have changed my diet to include almost all whole foods with an emphasis on protein and eliminating processed carbohydrates and night shade vegetables. It's a process and combination of things, as Dr. Walt says.
Best of luck to you!
The other Nancy
Re: Iridolgy and Kinesiology-Hocus Pocus?
Posted by Nancy on September 17, 1998 at 21:49:22:
In Reply to: Re: Iridolgy and Kinesiology-Hocus Pocus? posted by Walt Stoll on September 17, 1998 at 11:29:38:
Thanks Walt, Nancy, and Sharon.
Sometimes a word of encouragement along this complex path to simple health is just the thing needed to keep going and trying.
And thanks especially to you Walt for your willingness to share your lessons so freely.
And Yes I will keep you posted. Thanks for asking!!
Nancy
PS Could you give me another resource for LGS? The first web site you gave me took me to a wierd place. So let's try again!! I want to tie it all in with this cleanse. Thanks!!
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Re: I use a practioner who uses Kinesiology
Posted by Walt Stoll on September 18, 1998 at 09:42:49:
In Reply to: I use a practioner who uses Kinesiology posted by Sharon on September 17, 1998 at 11:18:41:
Thanks, Sharon.
Our bodyminds tell us all the time what we need to do----if we could but learn the language. Applied Kinesiology is one of trhe ways we can learn what it is saying. Behavioral Kinesiology is a much faster way to get at psychosocial problems than traditional counseling. The trick is finding the practitioner who can actually get his/her ego out of the way long enough to hear the message.
CONGRATULATIONS on having found one!
I appreciate your sharing your experience with us. Testimonials change more attitudes than anything I can say.
Namaste` Walt
Re: Iridolgy and Kinesiology-Hocus Pocus?
Posted by Walt Stoll on September 18, 1998 at 09:50:32:
In Reply to: Re: Iridolgy and Kinesiology-Hocus Pocus? posted by Nancy on September 17, 1998 at 21:49:22:
Hi, Nancy.
I thought we had archived the list of LGS references a BB participant had so kindly shared with us. Send a note to "Computer Bill" if you can't find it. It could be that he archived it under Candida or something like that.
Let me know what you find. Walt