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Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 14, 2009 at 09:22:54:

What do/did you think of your results?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by PhillyLady [9150.7571] on April 14, 2009 at 11:42:15:

In Reply to: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 14, 2009 at 09:22:54:

Charles:

I took the throat spray for a very bad sore throat and it helped a lot. It was more effective than the numbing sprays you get at the drug store, plus it had no unpleasant taste.

My throat is so sensitive that I always keep a bottle of homeopathic spray just in case.

The results were 100% satisfactory.

I also keep several other homeopathic remedies in the house. I like the one for post nasal drip too, and the one for allergy eyes.

Homeopathic remedies won't set a broken leg, of course, but there are remedies for the speedy healing of bones. Basically, homeopathy works by balancing the energies of your body.



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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.7607] on April 14, 2009 at 12:30:37:

In Reply to: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 14, 2009 at 09:22:54:

Hi Charles,

The one formula I tried that helped, was very very
helpful. It really helped shift my energy.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 14, 2009 at 13:06:19:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.7607] on April 14, 2009 at 12:30:37:

Not trying to get on your case now but how can you tell it shifted your energy? Was you walking out of balance? Couldn't a massage therapist or chiropractor done it?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 14, 2009 at 22:35:06:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 14, 2009 at 13:06:19:

Hi Charles,

There was an entire thread devoted to this topic below, you participated in this thread, did you read the responses?. I can speak to the use of zicam for cold relief and I also had a good experience with a poison ivy remedy. I also have anectodal experience for people using the the leg cramp remedy.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 15, 2009 at 00:55:21:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 14, 2009 at 22:35:06:

Yeah I read them but I was just wondering how many people on the board uses homeopathic medicine. Wouldn't you say there isn't very many?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 15, 2009 at 23:03:16:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 15, 2009 at 00:55:21:

No, I wouldn't say there isn't very many. A lot of people chimed in. You seem very skeptical - why is that?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 08:08:17:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 15, 2009 at 23:03:16:

I am very skeptical of it. Jan said her doctor only gets it right 1 time out of 8, that's not very good odds, and her doctor is supposed to be very good. I can understand chemicals having an adverse or good effect on our body as it is just chemicals also. The video Philly posted from what I saw looks like a promo to me.

I know my body has an amazing ability to heal itself and I know how to make it do it.

I think there was may 8 or 10 people who posted they had used homeopathic rememdies.

If it works why hasn't/didn't Dr Stoll use it for his diabetes?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 08:17:31:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 08:08:17:

I'm with you on this one Charles. It's very anecdotel. I am all for being open minded, but not so much that my brain falls out.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 08:43:32:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 15, 2009 at 23:03:16:

Let me show you something, let's take cancer as an example. Now I don't know how all these things tie in but I do know some of them. Immunostimulants, they stimulate our immune system, cytotoxic, from what I have beeb abke to find these are chemicals that chemo is made of, chemopreventive, it would seem they would prevent the bad side effects chemo brings, antiaggregants, prevents cancer cells from coming together, look at all the GOOD chemicals tobacco has in it. The medical profession says tobacco is carcinogenic, so does Dr. Duke but perhaps this is what enables tobacco to eat up DEAD OR DAMAGED tissue which tobacco can do. It also has something in it that can make our body heal itself if a persons' genes are receptive to antigens and it can make our body IMMUNIZE itself. I think it must be the nicotinic acid in tobacco, a drug researcher once told me that nicotinic acid is POTENT stuff. A man at the US Patent Office told me that nicotinic acid COULD be a DOAI, Designated Organic Active Ingredient, but it isn't always. Can tobacco immunize our body against cancer, I don't know but I do know that it can immunize my body against infections but each different one will probably have to be treated, I doubt if one treatment fits all infections.

Cancer superactivities for Nicotiana tabacum


5-Alpha-Reductase-Inhibitor - LINOLEIC-ACID. Seed. [50000 - 70000 ppm.]
5-Alpha-Reductase-Inhibitor - OLEIC-ACID. Seed. [62500 - 122500 ppm.]
5-Alpha-Reductase-Inhibitor - PALMITIC-ACID. Seed. [57500 - 140000 ppm.]
Alpha-Reductase-Inhibitor - OLEIC-ACID. Seed. [62500 - 122500 ppm.]
AntiEBV - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
AntiHIV - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
AntiHIV - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
AntiHIV - LIGNIN. Leaf.
AntiHIV - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiadenomic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiaflatoxin - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiaflatoxin - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiaflatoxin - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiaflatoxin - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiaflatoxin - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antiaflatoxin - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - CICHORIIN. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antiaggregant - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiaggregant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiaggregant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antiaging - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antiaging - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiaging - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiaging - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antiandrogenic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiandrogenic - LINOLEIC-ACID. Seed. [50000 - 70000 ppm.]
Antiandrogenic - OLEIC-ACID. Seed. [62500 - 122500 ppm.]
Antiandrogenic - PALMITIC-ACID. Seed. [57500 - 140000 ppm.]
Antiangiogenic - ERGOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiangiogenic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiarachidonate - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Anticancer - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Anticancer - BUTYRIC-ACID. Leaf.
Anticancer - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Anticancer - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Anticancer - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Anticancer - LIGNIN. Leaf.
Anticancer - RUTIN. Leaf.
Anticancer - SHIKIMIC-ACID. Leaf.
Anticancer (Breast) - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Anticancer (Breast) - CATECHOL. Leaf.
Anticancer (Breast) - LUTEIN. Leaf.
Anticancer (Breast) - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Anticancer (Cervix) - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Anticancer (Cervix) - TRIGONELLINE. Seed.
Anticancer (Colon) - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Anticancer (Colon) - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Anticancer (Forestomach) - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Anticancer (Forestomach) - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Anticancer (Liver) - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Anticancer (Liver) - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Anticancer (Liver) - TRIGONELLINE. Seed.
Anticancer (Lung) - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Anticancer (Skin) - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Anticancer (Skin) - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Anticarcinogenic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Anticarcinogenic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Anticarcinogenic - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Anticarcinomic - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Anticervicaldysplasic - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antiestrogenic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiestrogenic - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiestrogenic - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antiestrogenic - NICOTINE. Leaf. [20000 - 40000 ppm.]
Antiestrogenic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antifibrosarcomic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antihepatocarcinogenic - FUMARIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antihepatotoxic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antihepatotoxic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antihepatotoxic - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antihepatotoxic - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antihepatotoxic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antihepatotoxic - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antihepatotoxic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antihepatotoxic - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antihepatotoxic - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - 4-VINYL-GUAIACOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - CYCLOARTENOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antiinflammatory - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - LINOLEIC-ACID. Seed. [50000 - 70000 ppm.]
Antiinflammatory - OLEIC-ACID. Seed. [62500 - 122500 ppm.]
Antiinflammatory - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiinflammatory - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antileukemic - ASTRAGALIN. Leaf.
Antileukemic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antileukemic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antileukemic - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antileukemic - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antileukemic - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antileukemic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antileukemic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antileukemic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antileukemic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antileukoplakic - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antileukotriene - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antileukotriene - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antileukotriene - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antileukotriene - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antilipoperoxidant - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antilipoperoxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antilymphomic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antimelanomic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antimelanomic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antimelanomic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antimetastatic - PECTIN. Leaf.
Antimetastatic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antimetastatic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - CITRIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antimutagenic - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - NONACOSANE. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - PECTIN. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antimutagenic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antimutagenic - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antimutagenic - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antineoplastic - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antinesidioblastosic - STARCH. Leaf. [10000 - 20000 ppm.]
Antinitrosaminic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antinitrosaminic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antinitrosaminic - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antinitrosaminic - LIGNIN. Leaf.
Antinitrosaminic - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antinitrosaminic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antinitrosaminic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antioxidant - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CATALASE. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CATECHOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FUMARIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - LIGNIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - LUTEIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - PALMITIC-ACID. Seed. [57500 - 140000 ppm.]
Antioxidant - PHENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SHIKIMIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SPERMIDINE. Plant.
Antioxidant - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SUCROSE. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TRIMETHYLAMINE. Leaf.
Antioxidant Synergist - CITRIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant Synergist - LACTIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant Synergist - MALIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiperoxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiperoxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiperoxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiperoxidant - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiperoxidant - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antiperoxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiperoxidant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiproliferant - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antiproliferant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiproliferant - LUTEIN. Leaf.
Antiproliferant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiproliferant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiproliferant - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antiproliferant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antiprostaglandin - 4-VINYL-GUAIACOL. Leaf.
Antiprostaglandin - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiprostaglandin - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiprostaglandin - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiprostaglandin - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiprostaglandin - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antistress - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antistress - GABA. Leaf.
Antithromboxane - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antitumor - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antitumor - BUTYRIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antitumor - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antitumor - CATECHOL. Leaf.
Antitumor - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antitumor - CITRIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antitumor - ERGOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antitumor - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antitumor - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antitumor - FUMARIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antitumor - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Antitumor - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antitumor - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antitumor - LIGNIN. Leaf.
Antitumor - MALIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antitumor - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antitumor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antitumor - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antitumor - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antitumor - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antitumor - SHIKIMIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antitumor - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antitumor-Promoter - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antitumor-Promoter - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antitumor-Promoter - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antitumor-Promoter - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antitumor-Promoter - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antitumor-Promoter - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antitumor-Promoter - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antitumor-Promoter - SHIKIMIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiviral - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiviral - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiviral - CATECHOL. Leaf.
Antiviral - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiviral - ERGOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiviral - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiviral - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antiviral - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiviral - LIGNIN. Leaf.
Antiviral - NONACOSANE. Leaf.
Antiviral - PHENOL. Leaf.
Antiviral - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiviral - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiviral - QUERCETIN-3,3'-DIMETHYLETHER. Flower.
Antiviral - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antiviral - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiviral - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Anxiolytic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Anxiolytic - GABA. Leaf.
Apoptotic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Apoptotic - BUTYRIC-ACID. Leaf.
Apoptotic - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Apoptotic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Apoptotic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Apoptotic - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Apoptotic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
COX-2-Inhibitor - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
COX-2-Inhibitor - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
COX-2-Inhibitor - EUGENOL. Leaf.
COX-2-Inhibitor - EUGENOL. Leaf.
COX-2-Inhibitor - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
COX-2-Inhibitor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Cancer-Preventive - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - CATECHOL. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Cancer-Preventive - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - LINOLEIC-ACID. Seed. [50000 - 70000 ppm.]
Cancer-Preventive - OLEIC-ACID. Seed. [62500 - 122500 ppm.]
Cancer-Preventive - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Cancer-Preventive - PECTIN. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - PHENOL. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Cancer-Preventive - QUERCETIN-3'-METHYLETHER. Flower.
Cancer-Preventive - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - RUTIN. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - SHIKIMIC-ACID. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - SUCCINIC-ACID. Leaf.
Cancer-Preventive - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Chemopreventive - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Chemopreventive - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Chemopreventive - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Chemopreventive - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Chemopreventive - PECTIN. Leaf.
Chemopreventive - RUTIN. Leaf.
Cyclooxygenase-Inhibitor - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Cyclooxygenase-Inhibitor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Cytochrome-P450-Inducer - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Cytoprotective - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Cytoprotective - RUTIN. Leaf.
Cytotoxic - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Cytotoxic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Cytotoxic - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Cytotoxic - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Cytotoxic - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Cytotoxic - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Cytotoxic - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Cytotoxic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Cytotoxic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Cytotoxic - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - BETAINE. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Hepatoprotective - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - LINOLEIC-ACID. Seed. [50000 - 70000 ppm.]
Hepatoprotective - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Hepatoprotective - RUTIN. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Hepatoprotective - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Hepatotonic - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Hepatotonic - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - CYCLOARTENOL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - LIGNIN. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - LINOLEIC-ACID. Seed. [50000 - 70000 ppm.]
Hypocholesterolemic - NICOTINIC-ACID. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - OLEIC-ACID. Seed. [62500 - 122500 ppm.]
Hypocholesterolemic - PECTIN. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - PHYTOSTEROLS. Leaf. [1000 - 5000 ppm.]
Hypocholesterolemic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - TRIGONELLINE. Seed.
Immunostimulant - ASTRAGALIN. Leaf.
Immunostimulant - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Immunostimulant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Immunostimulant - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Immunostimulant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Immunostimulant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Interferon-Synergist - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Interferonogenic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - RUTIN. Leaf.
Lipoxygenase-Inhibitor - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Mast-Cell-Stabilizer - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Ornithine-Decarboxylase-Inhibitor - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Ornithine-Decarboxylase-Inhibitor - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Ornithine-Decarboxylase-Inhibitor - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Ornithine-Decarboxylase-Inhibitor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Ornithine-Decarboxylase-Inhibitor - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
P450-Inducer - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
P450-Inducer - QUERCETIN. Flower.
PTK-Inhibitor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Phytohormonal - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Prostaglandigenic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Prostaglandigenic - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Prostaglandigenic - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Protein-Kinase-C-Inhibitor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Protein-Kinase-C-Inhibitor - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Protein-Kinase-C-Inhibitor - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Sunscreen - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Sunscreen - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Sunscreen - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Sunscreen - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Sunscreen - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Sunscreen - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Sunscreen - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Sunscreen - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Sunscreen - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Sunscreen - RUTIN. Leaf.
Thymoprotective - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Topoisomerase-II-Inhibitor - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Topoisomerase-II-Inhibitor - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Topoisomerase-II-Inhibitor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Topoisomerase-II-Inhibitor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Topoisomerase-II-Inhibitor - RUTIN. Leaf.
Tyrosine-Kinase-Inhibitor - QUERCETIN. Flower.
UV-Screen - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
UV-Screen - ESCULETIN. Leaf.

If you will take the time to read this I think you will find it very interesting.

http://www.tobacco.org/resources/history/monardes.html

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 08:48:52:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 08:17:31:

I can't either. As I said, either Dr. Stoll didn't try it for his diabetes or it didn't work, if he believes in it this strongly surely he would have tried it.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 08:55:28:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 08:48:52:

Look up some of the videos by James Randi. He has a $1m prize for anybody who can scientifically test and prove any such ideas. Maybe they're making so much money they don't need it?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by PhillyLady [9150.7571] on April 16, 2009 at 11:12:13:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 08:08:17:

Charles:

Homeopathy promotes the balance of healing energies. If you can understand this, than the idea of homeopathy will become clearer to you.

You cannot understand it by applying allopathic reasoning. Once you fully understand the difference between the two sciences and the basis for both, it will make more sense. You don't have to believe, but you do have to know the difference in order to understand.

As I have mentioned before, homeopathy will not set a broken bone, but it will promote the necessary healing energies with the correct homeopathic remedy.

From what I've seen, there is no specific homeopathic remedy for diabetes. But this does not exclude it from its place in holistic healing.

Also, since you have no experience with homeopathy, you are not in a position to accurately judge it. Just as I cannot judge the benefits of tobacco applied to the skin.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by PhillyLady [9150.7571] on April 16, 2009 at 11:16:11:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 08:55:28:

James Randi is a quack and a con man. I've read a few articles about him and how he "doctors" up tests so that someone being tested can never prove anything, thereby making him look like he was right all along. He's no better than that Quackbuster website:-)

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Tracy [2500.7528] on April 16, 2009 at 11:22:21:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 08:43:32:

Hi Charles,

I don't doubt that tobacco has many healing properties. I think that you made a good point in your last sentence that one treatment doesn't fit all infections. Homeopathy may not work for all conditions, but I'm not ready to disregard it entirely just because "studies" can't support its effectiveness. There have been many "studies" that support the use of mainstream pharmaceuticals only to find out later that results are skewed or biased for many reasons, not the least of which is the self interest of the group/company conducting the study. Look at all the studies that have suggested that the use of vitamin and herbal supplements is unnecessary, yet probably the majority of people reading this board use some supplements daily or when treating certain conditions.

This is why I never reject anecdotal evidence without at least some further investigation on my own. Sometimes it's all you've got to support a treatment that would never generate enough money to warrant expensive testing.

By the way, I will read the link you've included when I have some extra time.




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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 11:33:59:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by PhillyLady [9150.7571] on April 16, 2009 at 11:16:11:

I'm not sure what is meant by "doctors" up. I do know that science demands evidence, and that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So long as homeopathy is unable to provide anything other other than customer testimony (which is possibly just placebo), then it will remain outside of science.

People used to believe draining blood would rid disease, when actually it was lethal.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by PhillyLady [9150.7571] on April 16, 2009 at 12:06:43:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 11:33:59:

If something works then it works. Why dismiss that fact by placing the "placebo" label on it? I have personally eliminated the pains from gallbladder attacks with homeopathy. And those pains are horrendous! There is no way the relief was placebo. Check out the scientific studies. There is some good info.

A thousand years ago, science didn't have the telescopes necessary to see Pluto, but that didn't make Pluto non-existent. Science will always be limited by its tools and its fools....uh, make that its scientists:-)

As for the field of homeopathy, it certainly falls within the realm of science because everything can be explained scientifically, but only by those qualified and well-versed enough in the subject. It's difficult to believe a scientist who knows nothing about homeopathy when he attempts to debunk it.


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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 12:44:13:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by PhillyLady [9150.7571] on April 16, 2009 at 12:06:43:

I just don't get why it's so hit and miss and the concept of it seems wishy washy. I'm glad it worked for you.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by PhillyLady [9150.7571] on April 16, 2009 at 13:27:53:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 12:44:13:

It's hit and miss when the patient isn't correctly diagnosed, or isn't given the correct remedy:-)

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 18:53:52:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [2500.7528] on April 16, 2009 at 11:22:21:

I don't use supplements or vitamins intentionally but I know that I am getting some vitamins out of tobacco, yeah I know that some of the chemicals in tobacco are vitamins.
I'm not sure about the body having to make a different antibodies to treat different infections, that is just my personal opinion.
Now the difference in tobacco and homeopathy is I can see tobacco has the chemicals that will work on whatever is wrong, homeopathy isn't supposed to have any of the chemical left in it.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 18:59:54:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 11:33:59:

Chris have you ever heard of Harry Hoxsey? He had the most cancer clinics in the US at one time. The FDA took him to court until the broke him but he beat them in court everytime, he even had doctors testifying for him, that he could cure cancer. You ever see the movie, Medicine Man with Sean Connery? It's sort of a true story, the doctor was an American from California, his family still has his formula but the medical profession doesn't want a cure for cancer, it is a cash cow for them.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 19:03:25:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 12:44:13:

With tobacco I don't think there is a hit and miss, you just have to get it on the right place and that's usually where the pain is coming from but not always.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 19:09:06:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by PhillyLady [9150.7571] on April 16, 2009 at 11:12:13:

I don't think being herbal is being allopathic.

"As I have mentioned before, homeopathy will not set a broken bone, but it will promote the necessary healing energies with the correct homeopathic remedy."

Neither will tobacco but it will stimulate your immune system and perhaps is can make a bone heal faster.



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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Tracy [6.2532] on April 16, 2009 at 20:36:41:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 19:03:25:

Charles, I wish you would post more about this - specifically the mechanics of how to use tobacco effectively. This warrants its own thread.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 21:45:30:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [6.2532] on April 16, 2009 at 20:36:41:

Tracy, you must be new here, I have been posting about tobacco ever since I came here. When tobacco is used for medicine it is used topically, it can enter your body through the skin. The medical profession says tobacco can cause nicotine poisoning but thanks to their stupidity they give us the warning signs. I always go with, do you feel anything different other than feeling better, if you do, tell me what it is. I don't tell them the signs and anyone who uses tobacco should know them. Acute nicotine poisoning can kill a person but you will be one sick puppy before you get that far. I'm sure I had it when I was 12, I swallowed a whole mouthful of tobacco juice, boy was I sick, vomitting, dizziness, headache, stomachache, you name it. Practically all people who get nicotine poisoning are very small children who eat cigarettes or cigarette butts. People who harvest green tobacco also get it, it is called green tobacco sickness. I've never had anyone get sick on me, one DIL got a little queasy once because hot snuff can make even me queasy at times and she smelled it. I would never use it on a child that was so young they couldn't tell me how they were feeling. They say that people who use tobacco are more immune to nicotine poisoning that people who don't. I started using tobacco thinking it's just tobacco and wound up believing that it may be a cure all for everything but broken bones. I think I also found a use for what it supposed to be bad about tobacco, my oldest son had eczema and staph and strep infections for 14 years, 5-19, I put tobacco on him when he was 19, that was the last time he had a staph or strep infection and it was also when his exzema went away but what I saw was tobacco ate the dead skin off his feet. 2 days later his feet were just as smooth as mine were. We had tried everything on him, dermatologists couldn't do him any good, said he had eczema so we took him to an allergy specialist and they tested him and they said it was eczema. The doctor said dermatologists say everything is an allergy when they don't know what it is. From there I started using it on anything that came along. One of my brothers got a fungus and I started treating him because allopathic medicine wasn't doing him any good. Stuff started coming out of his leg, like it was weeping and he asked me what do we do now, I looked at him and said beats the hell out of me so I told him to stop. I later on read that a fungus has to be expelled from the body so I may have told him wrong, he still has it but it isn't as bad as before. I read on the net that his particular fungus will stay with many people until they die, it probably will with him as he hasn't been able to shake it yet, he's about 75 now. The fool let me put tobacco on him for that and arthritis and then he gets a sinus infection, goes to a walkin clinin, gets a cocktail shot and it throws his heart out of rhythm, a sinus infection is a piece of cake. Now he has to take medication for his heart all the time plus blood thinner, I told him he should start chewing tobacco.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Tracy [6.2532] on April 16, 2009 at 22:36:52:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 21:45:30:

Nope, I'm not new and I've read dozens of your posts on tobacco. I know that you recommend topical use and I'm specifically asking for more information on the practical application. I think you have mentioned snuff and scotch snuff (correct me if I'm wrong). You mention that your son had staph and strep and that you "put tobacco on him". Did you put tobacco on his neck for strep? Did you make a poultice and hold it on that area for a certain period of time? Does snuff have a lot of other additives in addition to tobacco? I am truly curious about this. If I had a wound with broken skin or a staph infection, would I apply the snuff to the wound for a short period of time? I'm not trying to give you a hard time - it just seems that you leave out a lot of details when it comes to practical application.

For example, I've read Vince's posts on the use of cayenne and I have a pretty good idea on his protocol for various ailments. I don't have a good feel for how to use tobacco. You frequently mention people getting sick and/or an ill feeling when using tobacco medicinally. How would one know if they are doing more harm than good. Maybe some of this information is in the link you gave me above.



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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 23:01:56:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [6.2532] on April 16, 2009 at 22:36:52:

No, He had staph and strep in his feet. I took a 5 gallon bucket, made up enough to cover his feet and had him put them in it. What made me know it made his body kill the eczema was he also had it on his hands and waist and we never put any there but it went away also. I'm sure it has some flavoring added straight tobacco is pretty bland but I use only SCOTCH SNUFF, for some reason sweet snuff doesn't seem to work as well and all the old things I have found specifically mention scotch snuff, maybe it was all they had at that time.

I've never seen anyone get sick, I said the medical profession says a person can. You have to keep tobacco hotter than your body temperature, it may clot your blood flow if you allow it to get below body temp, I did that one night experimenting on myself with burns, don't get bent out of shape, I'm still here, I had to take some hotter than body temp to get it to turn loose. You have to change tobacco about every 2 or 3 minutes, it loses its' moisture and heat unless you use it thin and then it dissipates.

Now if a person gets a sudden bad pain in their head or maybe stomach, they may be screwed, you probably wouldn't know whether to treat it as a blood clot or an aneurism. I guess if they started bleeding from the nose it would probably indicate an aneurism.

Tobacco and cayenne are more or less cousins, they both come from the same plant family, Solanaceae.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 23:04:32:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [6.2532] on April 16, 2009 at 22:36:52:

Oh, my son had the flesh eating kind, I don't know if it was the staph or strep. The infection would eat grooves in his feet when it came out, it didn't do that when I put the tobacco on him, he just had holes where the infection had been, no grooves.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 17, 2009 at 08:35:09:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 08:08:17:

Charles,

There is only one 100% fatal condition: BIRTH! There is a limit to the effectiveness of any healthy lifestyle or allopathic regimen. Yes, even homeopathy! I have retained functionality for at least 15 years longer than any or my physicians can explain.

Until you come up with an infallible immortality scheme, I would suggest you not give advice as though it were a panacea for forever. If I get you angry enough, perhaps you will take a little time to know whereof you speak.

Homeopathy is a difficult concept for ANYONE who has been born and raised with the exact opposite world view than this one. It seems that the more "educated" one is the harder it is for them to see things differently. The Tolstoy effect is a good example as are the many really silly concepts the world population has held over recorded history.

Namaste` my friend.

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 17, 2009 at 08:48:32:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 16, 2009 at 08:17:31:

Gosh, UK.

You have really been brainwashed by the Fishbein AMA concept. They have shouted "anecdotal" for 100 years when homeopathy is one of the simplest concepts to prove empirically. They took the advancement of science and used it like a sledgehammer to destroy the educational facilities competent to actually teach classical homeopathy. Once they no longer had many actual results to fight they were able to relegate it to "fantasy".

If electricity had been outlawed before it's basic theory could be proven in the lab, we would still be lighting our homes with candles and gas lights. It was easier for the average person to understand that fire made a light than to understand electrons running along a wire to produce the phenomenon of "light".

The monopoly of the allopathic world view has reaped incalculable $ for a few segments of our society at the expense of the public in health and suffering and death. As you know, I do not say that the allopathic concept is not appropriate for anything just not appropriate for everything to the exclusion to ALL other concepts.

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 17, 2009 at 10:51:40:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 18:59:54:

Sounds interesting and reminds me of Rife. Who knows what goes on?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 17, 2009 at 13:25:47:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 17, 2009 at 08:48:32:

Anyone of polorised or differing opinion can say the other is "brainwashed".

The trouble I have with homeopathy is believing the "fuzziness" of the concept, and why it would not be more consistently effective (well above placebo) if it actually works.

"Critics and advocates of homeopathy alike commonly attempt to illustrate the dilutions involved in homeopathy with metaphors.[44] Hahnemann is reported to have joked that a suitable procedure to deal with an epidemic would be to empty a bottle of poison into Lake Geneva, if it could be succussed 60 times.[45][46][47] Another example given by a critic of homeopathy states that a 12C solution is equivalent to a "pinch of salt in both the North and South Atlantic Oceans",[45][46] which is approximately correct.[48] One third of a drop of some original substance diluted into all the water on earth would produce a remedy with a concentration of about 13C.[49][44][50]

Not all homeopaths advocate extremely high dilutions. Many of the early homeopaths were originally doctors and generally tended to use lower dilutions such as "3X" or "6X", rarely going beyond "12X". The split between lower and higher dilutions followed ideological lines with the former stressing pathology and a strong link to conventional medicine, while the latter emphasised vital force, miasms and a spiritual interpretation of disease.[51][52] Some products with such relatively lower dilutions continue to be sold, but like their counterparts, they have not been conclusively demonstrated to have any effect beyond the placebo.[53] [54]

Scientific tests run by both the BBC's Horizon and ABC's 20/20 programs were unable to differentiate homeopathic dilutions from water, even when using tests suggested by homeopaths themselves.[34][55]"



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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 17, 2009 at 17:53:34:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 17, 2009 at 08:35:09:

I don't have any use for allopathic medicine, unless you consider tobacco to be allopathic.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [383.6704] on April 17, 2009 at 21:47:35:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 16, 2009 at 08:08:17:

Hi Charles,

Yes my homeopathic physician only got 1 right out of 8, but that 1 made quite a difference. Plus, most practitioners can't even find one remedy for me, so that is actually pretty good.

I said that to promote the understanding that you don't always get the right remedy the first time, it helps to be patient.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 17, 2009 at 22:40:31:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [383.6704] on April 17, 2009 at 21:47:35:

Most people aren't too patient when they are hurting. :)

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Tracy [6.2532] on April 17, 2009 at 23:48:51:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 17, 2009 at 13:25:47:

Do you really draw your conclusions about the effectiveness of any treatment and/or remedy based on tests that the BBC and ABC news run? Haven't you yourself been skeptical about conclusions drawn about a vegetarian diet as presented by the Weston Price Foundation because of your concerns about their affiliation with the meat industry?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Tracy [6.2532] on April 18, 2009 at 00:04:52:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [6.2532] on April 17, 2009 at 23:48:51:

ps Not trying to belabor a point, but I remember you exploring alternative cancer treatments for a friend on this board. Did any of those treatments, i.e. Budwig diet and other therapies, have the scientific backup to satisfy your need for scientific proofs?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 18, 2009 at 07:58:56:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [1490.2450] on April 17, 2009 at 13:25:47:

Thanks, UK.

It is not the least "fuzzy" to me. Once I unhderstood the concept, I knew it was a more valid explanation of how the bodymind worked but I was unwilling to do enough study to actually practice it myself. I had to be satisfied to find a good "classical" homeopath (there still are a few alive) and get those patients to him when I could not resolve their chronic problem with our multidisciplinary approach at my clinic.

Many times this meant a drive of 100-200 miles, for the patient, which is why we tried to do this "in house" before referral.

Wishing you understanding.

Walt

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 18, 2009 at 08:06:42:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 17, 2009 at 17:53:34:

Yes, Charles, it is!

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 08:15:40:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [6.2532] on April 17, 2009 at 23:48:51:

Nope. I listen to a range of science podcasts and homeopathy is a regular topic.

Weston Price are an association of farmers who need to sell meat and dairy to make a living. That they criticise soy and vegetarian diet is like a Catholic priest railing against atheism. Can you describe such a clear link between the BBC and the allopathic health model? Don't you realise homeopathy is actually a major seller for companies just as big as the drug makers? It doesn't really make any sense then to say that evidence for homeopathy is suppressed to make money, when homeopathy in itself is a major money spinner.

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Posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 08:16:55:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [6.2532] on April 18, 2009 at 00:04:52:

When someone is threatened with the prospect of death, it is worth exploring all avenues that aren't dangerous, IMO.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 18, 2009 at 08:30:21:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 17, 2009 at 22:40:31:

Thanks, Charles.

If that the fault of the method or the fault of the patient? Allopathic approaches for chronic conditions tend to work quickly but, ultimately, stop working.

Walt

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Posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 08:35:45:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 18, 2009 at 07:58:56:

What dilutions are we talking about here? Are they really as dilute as this Wikipedia article states? Is it true that there may be no molecules of the remedy substance in the treatment itself, only "healing energies"? This is what I am referring to as "fuzzy". Maybe someone on the bb can explain exactly how it works.

I'm not doubting that some patients may have experienced an improvement in their respective conditions. If it works for them, that's great, but the question (for me and other skeptics) is whether the improvement is any better than the placebo effect. There don't seem to be any convincing (double blind, repetitive) studies confirming this. I believe homeopathy is a big enough business for some entity to have come out with one. I know of a huge chemist chain in the UK that sells homeopathy "remedies". It is in their financial interests to make a strong case.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 18, 2009 at 09:14:06:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 18, 2009 at 08:06:42:

I don't see the medical or drug establishments making any money off tobacco.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 18, 2009 at 09:20:53:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 18, 2009 at 08:30:21:

Perhaps people should try tobacco and find out for themselves.

When you see a chemical that says insulin-sparing, does that mean what is sounds like?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 18, 2009 at 10:09:05:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 08:15:40:

Chris, do you have a reference indicating that homeopathic remedies generate revenues in line with major drug company revenues? I'd be surprised if this were true.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 18, 2009 at 10:11:23:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 08:16:55:

I would say the same for someone experiencing chronic pain or other ailment.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 18, 2009 at 10:23:08:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 18, 2009 at 10:09:05:

Did you ever read the link Tracy?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 10:24:01:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 18, 2009 at 10:09:05:

According to my research, the homeopathy market stands are $135bn per year.

Glaxosmithkline, the world's second biggest pharmaceutical company, reported revenue (not profit) of $33.5bn in 2008, according to Wikipedia.

As I said, there is plenty of financial incentive for a waterproof study into the effectiveness of homeopathy. Let's see one.


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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 10:26:10:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 10:24:01:

stands at* $135bn per year (and growing faster than ever)

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 10:28:42:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 18, 2009 at 10:11:23:

Yes, and if it works - great. The query is whether it's anything other than placebo. If not, there is an awful lot of money being spent on magic water.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by The observer [11484.7572] on April 18, 2009 at 20:10:00:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 08:35:45:

UK Chris and Walt in a line of discussion.
Is a fun line to read.
My personal obsrvation is Walt the etherial and UK the pragmatic.

I heard of lecture one time and the guy said that we are cell salts vibrating in the medium of water.

Do you think that different plants might have different levels of consciouisness? Might there be a plant that has risen above its fellow plants to acheive a higher awareness?

At the end of our day, we are only the energy that we have left behind.


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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by k. [2065.7422] on April 18, 2009 at 21:06:22:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by The observer [11484.7572] on April 18, 2009 at 20:10:00:

At the end of our day, we are only the energy that we have left behind.


Good point!



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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 19, 2009 at 08:56:44:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 10:28:42:

Thanks, UK.

If a placebo can awaken the bodymind's healing potential, why not? Fully 73% of allopathic medications effects have been shown to be placebo related! At least they do not cause harm!

There are plenty of books dedicated to that mysterious mechanism called "placebo". One of them would be entertaining reading for you; at least, if you enjoy new concepts. Try to get one published in the last few years.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 19, 2009 at 09:12:40:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by The observer [11484.7572] on April 18, 2009 at 20:10:00:

Thanks, Observer.

It reminds me of the hot debate, about 100 years ago, between the theoretical physicists: one side said their experiments proved that light was a particle and the other side said THEIR experiments proved that light was a wave. After 20+ years of bickering they finally came to the conclusion that light was both a particle AND a wave.

The more dilute the remedy the more potent it's effects! Chew on that for a while.

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 19, 2009 at 09:15:28:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 18, 2009 at 09:14:06:

Charles,

What do you think about the many diseases proven to be linked to tobacco. Who do you think IS making money off those diseases?

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 19, 2009 at 09:18:18:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 18, 2009 at 09:20:53:

Charles,

Both insulin deficiency AND insulin excess are causes of different aspects of diabetes. Insulin is but one of the many causes and long term effects of diabetes.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 19, 2009 at 14:35:44:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 19, 2009 at 09:15:28:

"What do you think about the many diseases proven to be linked to tobacco." I think a lot of them are falsely proven. I don't know if you know it but when a person puts tobacco on their body, they're actually putting something that can make our skin and tissue tougher and stronger because tobacco contains tannins which were used to tan hides into leather, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same thing in the mouth which in essence would help prevent mouth cancer. I don't know if I told you about me experimenting on myself by burning myself, I had accidentially gotten burned at work one day and I had nothing to put on it so I tried tobacco and it made my skin turn tough and the blister remained until my hand was healed.So I started experimenting on healing burns with tobacco by burning myself with snuff mixed with boiling water. I did this 4 or 5 times but one night I was going to see if I could make tobacco heal me that night, bad mistake, it wound up eating the skin off my a spot on my arm BUT I didn't get anything that kept eating on me, the meat on my arm got tough, I didn't even have to cover the spot., it healed I got a scar but no cancer, that was probably 20 years ago. So if tobacco can cause cancer why don't I have it?

I can see smoking causing respiratory problems which I think could led to problems anywhere/everywhere but not with smokeless tobacco.

Angina Nicotiana tabacum -- (33 activities; 50 chemicals)
Apoplexy/Stroke Nicotiana tabacum -- (31 activities; 49 chemicals)
Arrhythmia (Cardiac):Nicotiana tabacum -- (25 activities; 49 chemicals)
Arteriosclerosis/Atherosclerosis:Nicotiana tabacum -- (54 activities; 57 chemicals)
Cardiopathy/Heart Problems:Nicotiana tabacum -- (34 activities; 50 chemicals)
Heart Attack/Coronary Infarct:Nicotiana tabacum -- (29 activities; 49 chemicals)
High Blood Pressure/Hypertension:Nicotiana tabacum -- (22 activities; 49 chemicals)
High Cholesterol/Hypercholesterolemia:Nicotiana tabacum -- (27 activities; 55 chemicals)
Infarction:Nicotiana tabacum -- (26 activities; 49 chemicals)
Ischemia:Nicotiana tabacum -- (27 activities; 49 chemicals)
Low Blood Pressure/Hypotension:Nicotiana tabacum -- (18 activities; 46 chemicals)
Thrombosis / Blood Clot:Nicotiana tabacum -- (24 activities; 48 chemicals)

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 19, 2009 at 23:43:48:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [11096.7587] on April 18, 2009 at 10:24:01:

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the link, although I wonder where the doctor referenced in the article is coming up with his numbers as this is hard to substantiate and I assume they are including ancillary services surrounding the practice of homeopathy not just revenues from homeopathic remedies.

Here is a link to global pharmaceutical revenues for 2008: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2008/industries/21/index.html.




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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by PhillyLady [3423.7576] on April 19, 2009 at 23:55:27:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 19, 2009 at 08:56:44:

Dr. Stoll:

If homeopathy is simply the result of the placebo effect, then how can a placebo be effective on small children and animals?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by ukchris [10820.7583] on April 20, 2009 at 05:54:53:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by PhillyLady [3423.7576] on April 19, 2009 at 23:55:27:

Here's some info:

"“Homeopathy works on animals” is a very common claim that is used to support the idea that homeopathy works better than placebo; in fact that it must therefore work per se. It’s a false claim though. There are no quality studies that show that homeopathy works in animals at all. This is not surprising as homeopathic remedies consist of nothing but water or sugar pills (see: homeopathy): they usually contain no active ingredients whatsoever.

What is really happening, is that the vet who is using homeopathic remedies, is using his authoritative position to convince the animal owner that the animal being treated with homeopathy is getting better.

Vets, like doctors, hold a lot of power over their clients; this leads to a placebo effect by proxy where the animal’s owner may be satisfied and reassured that the animal is responding to treatment; but of course the animal remains medically untreated. The important point to understand here is that animals are not aware that they are being treated and so they do not even get the benefit of placebo effects that humans do. They do not get the emotional benefits that humans get."


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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 20, 2009 at 08:28:12:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 19, 2009 at 14:35:44:

Thanks, Charles.

Topical tobacco products are totally different "bag of cats" than taking it internally! I have no experience with topical tobacco; I am learning all of it from you.

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 20, 2009 at 08:38:57:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by PhillyLady [3423.7576] on April 19, 2009 at 23:55:27:

Thanks, Philly.

I do not think that homeopathy (prescribed by a classical homeopath) is a placebo effect. However, as it is practiced by more than 90% of the practitioners in this country, it is at least as placeboish as the allopathic remedies prescribed.

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by PhillyLady [12288.7571] on April 20, 2009 at 09:46:11:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by ukchris [10820.7583] on April 20, 2009 at 05:54:53:

Sorry, my cyber son, but the debunking from Skeptic.org is merely guesses and not scientific rebuttals:-)

Repeating over and over that homeopathy is a placebo won't convince me to believe anything but what I already believe and know to be true.

Below is a link to a scientific study that was published in the AMA Journal. VERTIGOHEEL is a homeopathic remedy and was scientifically tested against a pharmaceutical drug.



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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 20, 2009 at 19:34:01:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 20, 2009 at 08:28:12:

Given that tobacco has chemicals that can work against all these things, doesn't it seem unusual that all tobacco usage is supposed to cause heart problems? Most of the chemicals are in most of the activities, however they do have some that are not in any other.

There is one thing that confuses me, in cancer it shows antiaggregants, does cancer cause the blood to clot or do antiaggregants also prevent cancer cells from clumping together?

Angina Nicotiana tabacum -- (33 activities; 50 chemicals) Antianginal 1,067 mg/man/day
Apoplexy/Stroke Nicotiana tabacum -- (31 activities; 49 chemicals) Antiaggregant 30 uM ED50=33 nmol/kg iv IC50=0.3 uM IC50=0.72 uM IC50=55 uM Anticoronary 100-200 IU/day 50 mg/man/2 days Arteriodilator Vasodilator Antihemorrhagic
Arrhythmia (Cardiac):Nicotiana tabacum -- (25 activities; 49 chemicals) Antiarrhythmic
Arteriosclerosis/Atherosclerosis:Nicotiana tabacum -- (54 activities; 57 chemicals) Antiarteriosclerotic Antiatherosclerotic
Cardiopathy/Heart Problems:Nicotiana tabacum -- (34 activities; 50 chemicals)
Heart Attack/Coronary Infarct:Nicotiana tabacum -- (29 activities; 49 chemicals)
High Blood Pressure/Hypertension:Nicotiana tabacum -- (22 activities; 49 chemicals)
High Cholesterol/Hypercholesterolemia:Nicotiana tabacum -- (27 activities; 55 chemicals)
Infarction:Nicotiana tabacum -- (26 activities; 49 chemicals)
Ischemia:Nicotiana tabacum -- (27 activities; 49 chemicals) Antiischemic
Low Blood Pressure/Hypotension:Nicotiana tabacum -- (18 activities; 46 chemicals)
Thrombosis / Blood Clot:Nicotiana tabacum -- (24 activities; 48 chemicals) Antiaggregant 30 uM ED50=33 nmol/kg iv IC50=0.3 uM IC50=0.72 uM IC50=55 uM Anticoagulant

I told one researcher about me burning myself with boiling water and snuff and he told me my skin would have slid off my arm, I told him, you're wrong about that. What's pretty amazing is, the scars are not that noticable.

I called the Shrine Burn Center and talked to a researcher there and I told her tobacco works really good on burns, she said, WE KNOW THAT. I talked to her a little while and I said, how does tobacco kill eczema, she said it smothers it and it dies but I knew she was either wrong or lying. Smothering it on your feet won't make it die on your hands or your waist.

What causes diabetes?

I'm guess I'm lucky to be alive with all the things I have done with tobacco.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 20, 2009 at 20:15:55:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 20, 2009 at 08:28:12:

Here is what Dr. Duke shows about Diabetes, these chemicals have superactivity. Either tobacco doesn't stimulate the immune system when it comes to diabetes or they don't have superactivity

Aldose-Reductase-Inhibitor - AESCULETIN. Leaf. Aldose-Reductase-Inhibitor 0.1-100 uM 0.5-4 ug/ml 100 uM 4 ug/ml 4 ug/ml (weak activity) IC30=1 uM IC50=0.344 uM IC50=0.84 ug/ml cow IC50=1.8 uM rat (strong activity) IC50=2 uM IC50=6.2 ug/ml cow IC50=64 uM rat IC55=0.1 uM IC55=0.15 uM IC62=10 uM

Antiaggregant - CICHORIIN. Leaf. Antiaggregant 30 uM ED50=33 nmol/kg iv IC50=0.3 uM IC50=0.72 uM IC50=55 uM

Anticapillary-Fragility - RUTIN. Leaf. Anticapillary-Fragility 20-100 mg orl man

Antidiabetic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf. Antidiabetic (Insulin-Sparing) 30 g/man/day 10 g/man/day/orl 600-1,200 mg/day

Antihypercholesterolemic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.

Antihyperglycemic - TRIGONELLINE. Seed.

Antiobesity - PECTIN. Leaf.

Antioxidant - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf. Antioxidant 1.3 x Vit. E 1/2 BHA 1/3 BHA 1/3 quercetin 1/4 quercetin 10 uM 3,000 uM 3/4 quercetin 30 mM 4.7 x Vit. E 50 uM 7 x quercetin EC50=9-15 ug/ml ED50=2.3 uM IC24=30 ppm IC28=30 ppm IC33=10 uM IC36=10 uM IC40=60 IC44=10 uM IC47=10 uM IC50=1.2 ug/ml IC50=120 uM IC50=30 ug/ml IC50=40 uM IC50=54.2 uM IC50=9.0 uM IC51=200 ppm IC53=200 ppm IC54=10 uM IC57=30 ppm IC65=30 ppm IC79=30 ppm IC80=12 uM IC95=650 uM IC96=300 ppm

Antiperoxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf. Antiperoxidant IC35=200 ug/ml IC50=10-20 uM IC50=36 uM IC50=44 uM IC50=>100 uM IC85=100 ug/ml

Antiradicular 1/3 quercetin 1/4 quercetin 10 uM 30 mM 7 x quercetin 9 x quercetin EC50=2 ul/l EC50=9-15 ug/ml IC50=116-124 uM IC50=32-35 uM IC50=4.6 uM

Antithrombic - QUERCETIN. Flower.

Capillariprotective - RUTIN. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf. Hypocholesterolemic 1-6 g/man/day 100-450 IU/man/day 2-6 g/man/day/orl 9-3,330 mg/man/day/orl

Hypoglycemic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf. Hypoglycemic 100 mg/kg orl rat 50 mg/kg orl rat 500-3,000 mg/man/day 600 IU/man/day

Insulinase-Inhibitor - NICOTINIC-ACID. Leaf.

Insulinogenic - QUERCETIN. Flower.

Insulinotonic - NICOTINIC-ACID. Leaf.

PAF-Inhibitor - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.


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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles

Posted by PhillyLady [3423.7576] on April 20, 2009 at 20:29:45:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 20, 2009 at 20:15:55:

Charles:

1. Are the ingredients you listed found in fresh, green tobacco leaves OR are they found in dried, cured tobacco?

2. Also, what are those letters and numbers? What do they represent? It appears to be the dosage a person should take. It's not a clear explanation.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 21, 2009 at 08:15:50:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 20, 2009 at 19:34:01:

Charles,

Different tisues react differently to ANY kind of stressor. All topical applications are primarily skin exposure.

I would get a Nobel Prize if I knew everything that causes diabetes. I do know that genetic susceptibility is a major factor and the stress of a half lifetime of refined carbohydrates is perhaps the easiest factor to change.

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH!

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 21, 2009 at 08:16:56:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? SIGH! posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 20, 2009 at 20:15:55:

Thanks, Charles.

Far beyond ME!

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Andre [673.7629] on April 21, 2009 at 11:24:06:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [383.6704] on April 17, 2009 at 21:47:35:

Homeopathy is a difficult art to master. It takes a well trained and skilled practitioner to find the right remedy. In the US most states do not recognize homeopathy so it is even more difficult to find a good practitioner. The use of electroacupuncture devices that measure how accupuncture points respond to the remedies is a great help because you can see how well you respond to the remedy before even taking it. A new development in the field is the treatment by laser. After testing for the right remedies the laser is programmed with the homeopathic frequencies to rebalance the body.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Andre [673.7629] on April 21, 2009 at 12:13:18:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Tracy [15.2532] on April 14, 2009 at 22:35:06:

Homeopathy was proven to work by a french doctor.
Dr Benveniste. He used high dilutions so that there was nothing left but water that has been imprinted with the energy of the remedy.Further research has been done by Wasary Emoto on thoughts and water.
Water crystals that were exposed to loving thoughts were very beautiful, compared to negative thoughts.
He has photos to prove it too !


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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 21, 2009 at 18:50:12:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles posted by PhillyLady [3423.7576] on April 20, 2009 at 20:29:45:

Wow I never heard or read this before.

Uncured tobacco was often eaten, used in enemas, or drunk as extracted juice.


Actually he doesn't say if it's cured or green tobacco but I don't see why it would make a difference because it's not boiled or cooked, it shouldn't loose any of the chemicals.

I don't think that it is the dosage a person should take but what they get out of it.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles

Posted by PhillyLady [3423.7576] on April 21, 2009 at 19:28:02:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 21, 2009 at 18:50:12:

Charles:

In some places it appears that the "leaf" was used. In other places it was the "seed". And still in other places it was the "flower". There is a big difference between the leaf, seed, or flower of a plant. Each has its own special properties.

Take a another look at the list you posted. I would like to know what the letters and numbers mean. Mg would appear to be milligram(?). Can you find out, or at least post the entire link?



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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 21, 2009 at 21:14:10:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles posted by PhillyLady [3423.7576] on April 21, 2009 at 19:28:02:

You can't link into it. You can go here.

http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/

Click chemicals and activities of a particular plant, the first one, type in tobacco on the second page and submit query, click tobacco on the third page, select chemical activities after chemicals and you can see references or exclude references.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles

Posted by PhillyLady [3423.7576] on April 21, 2009 at 21:58:24:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 21, 2009 at 21:14:10:

Charles:

I still can't get to the list you posted for Dr. Stoll.

When you submit a query for tobacco you get a list of chemicals but not the list you posted. How did you get THAT particular list? Give me the link (not just the website). That should be easy enough to do. Just do a cut & paste and insert where it says "Optional Link URL:". Then give it a title where it says "Link Title". C'mon do it!

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 22, 2009 at 07:56:12:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? Questions for Charles posted by PhillyLady [3423.7576] on April 21, 2009 at 21:58:24:

That's a list I compiled. You go down to activity searches at the bottom where it says chemicals with superactivity, you click that, then you scroll down the list of ailments till you find what you're looking for, you click it and then you scroll down the lists of plants until you find nicotiana tabacum, you click it and when it comes up then you hit details. I took that list of chemicals, put them down on notepad, erased them all but one of each, went back down to where I sent you before and copied off the total chemical activity.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7579] on April 22, 2009 at 08:08:11:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Andre [673.7629] on April 21, 2009 at 11:24:06:

Amen, Andre.

Walt

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 25, 2009 at 10:46:04:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Andre [673.7629] on April 21, 2009 at 12:13:18:

"He has photos to prove it too !"

How would anyone know this?

When did occur?

You got any links to the photos?

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Nutmeg [4785.6911] on April 25, 2009 at 12:10:42:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 25, 2009 at 10:46:04:

Charles,

Dr. Emoto has books, a website, and his work was featured in the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know", which has been out on DVD for a couple of years. A quick google should yield a lot of interesting information.

Nutmeg

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 25, 2009 at 17:35:15:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Nutmeg [4785.6911] on April 25, 2009 at 12:10:42:

I'm sorry Nutmeg but he sounds like another nut case to me.

I could comprehend that vibrations could make the molecules changes but that would be the extent of it.

Sorry about your brother but there are times when death is the best thing for someone, I had a sister die from pancreatic cancer, she really suffered.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 25, 2009 at 17:37:39:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 25, 2009 at 17:35:15:

You think the water is what gives tobacco its' healing powers? The body really absorbs the water out of it.

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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Andre [93.7629] on April 26, 2009 at 13:37:26:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 25, 2009 at 17:35:15:

Charles,
Have you even looked at any of his pictures,
or are you so scared that there may be more to the universe than you could imagine ?
And since you seem to admit that vibrations can make changes in molecules, wouldnt that also affect how those molecules interact with other molecules ? like a jigsaw puzzle, the shape of the different parts determine where they can go. Now apply this to the human body and you can see how we can charge water molecules with different vibrations to start changing the body.
If you are interested to see how vibrations affect matter, and since you dont like dr Emoto, There are other researchers. go to www.cymatics.org.
It is obvious for anyone that takes the time to do some research that you can affect molecules by different kind of vibrations, no matter if you do it with elctromagnetic, sound, or thoughts.
There is a whole new universe for you if you only dare to look with open mind. Otherwise you will be stuck in this mechanical universe. Quantum Physics opened the door fo you, But it is up to you to take the first step.



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Re: Have you tried homeopathy?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on April 27, 2009 at 22:46:35:

In Reply to: Re: Have you tried homeopathy? posted by Andre [93.7629] on April 26, 2009 at 13:37:26:

Anybody should know that a person talking gruff would make water vibrate more than someone speaking softly.

GET REAL!!!!

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