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I'm in my late 50s. Not on any HRT. My doctor recommended estradiol cream. All her alternatives are very pricey. She says the vagina thins and becomes less elastic--NO KIDDING! Does anyone know of a low cost alternative?
In Reply to: Painful intercourse posted by A [6466.1351] on October 01, 2006 at 11:04:34:
Saliva
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Raman [2016.2863] on October 01, 2006 at 14:31:16:
lol. I wish I had that problem.
Do you know how to make it MORE dry?
In Reply to: Painful intercourse posted by A [6466.1351] on October 01, 2006 at 11:04:34:
So the doc thinks it's low estrogen? You need lubrication, doesn't make any difference what you use, so long as it's water-based and intended for that purpose.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 01, 2006 at 14:49:14:
I must respectfully disagree--it's not as simple as mere lubrication. I happen to be going through the same thing right now, and last time I attempted intercourse (I don't have a partner right now), no amount of lubrication helped with one really sore spot I have.
It so happens I just today picked up some prescription estradiol (Estrace). Apparently, they didn't have a generic for it, and it cost me $50.00 even with my insurance. I don't know whether a generic exists, but I would think it should. You might investigate bio-identical hormones and see if they would help and would be more cost-effective. No fun getting old, is it?
Good luck,
Linda
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by moonchild [1815.2844] on October 01, 2006 at 16:33:33:
Hi Moonchild,
You are correct that lubrication won't necessarily solve the problem. It is a place to start to see if it helps. If it doesn't then something else should be looked into.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 01, 2006 at 14:33:55:
Hi lissa. Just give it a few years until you are going through menopause or are post-menopausal. I used to be like you. Not any more. Have to use vaginal estriol cream.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 20:22:27:
NOOOOOOOOOO. I don't want it to get that bad, just a little drier. Not looking forward to that, if it does happen.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by moonchild [1815.2844] on October 01, 2006 at 16:33:33:
Hi moonchild. You are absolutely right. I am 61 and have great sex, only due to the use of bio-identical estriol vaginal cream. The tissues do get thinner and become atrophied. I could absolutely NOT stand the pain of sexual intercourse after menopause until I started with the cream.
You have to find the best HRT for you. Saliva, my a--!!
Naya
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Raman [2016.2863] on October 01, 2006 at 14:31:16:
Sorry, Raman, but you apparently know nothing about this problem. Until you go through menopause and are post-menopausal, you can withhold your saliva advice.
I'm not being nasty, it's just that what you are saying just does not work. It's much more complicated than that. There is a whole change in tissue structure and blood flow to the area. Many friends of mine and I have been through this.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 20:25:58:
Nah. I didn't think the saliva would do it either. The tissues may get thinner, but the low estrogen causes low lubrication, non-hormonal lubricants can beused but if the other ones cost so much why would the doctor suggest it? they might work better because they have the estrogen and will cause more natural lubrication, but it isn't totally necessary as a first step.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 01, 2006 at 20:33:52:
Right you are, lissa. I forgot to mentio that it is the lack of estrogen, duh! which causes the diminished lubrication as well as the atrophy.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 01, 2006 at 20:24:04:
LOL! I know what you mean.
In Reply to: Painful intercourse posted by A [6466.1351] on October 01, 2006 at 11:04:34:
So where do I get bio-identical estriol cream? Is it prescription? How much does it cost you? About a year ago when I went to pick up my prescription and was told it was $150, I told the clerk that I had to stick with the saliva therapy. So I got a real chuckle reading Raman's advice of "Saliva"! But alas, it doesn't do the trick. A lubricant does help but there's is still the pain. Thanks for your advice.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 20:40:12:
Hi Naya,
Since that is true, I wonder how it would work as a face cream to help thicken and soften the skin and reduce wrinkles? Maybe Soy Estrogen would be a cheaper alternative for the face.
Ron
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 20:29:16:
Hi Naya,
Think about it...
Did you ever wonder how Rayman was planning on applying that saliva? ;?)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 01, 2006 at 14:33:55:
Hi Lissa,
Maybe your boyfriend is just a big turn-on? ;>)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Ron [205.2852] on October 01, 2006 at 22:35:45:
How'd you guess?
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse (Bingo!!!) posted by Ron [205.2852] on October 01, 2006 at 22:30:17:
Hi Ron. Hmmm... I'm trying to remember if I have seen any face creams that are estrogen-based or that contain soy. I'll bet there are. Very interesting idea you pose. I'll have to check that out. Luckily, genes have given me almost no wrinkles on my face, although the skin is thinner than it used to be.
I'm definitely going to check out your suggestion and do an online search . I'll post if I find anything.
Thanks!!!! Eternal youth???`LOL!
Naya
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Ron [205.2852] on October 01, 2006 at 22:33:05:
Well, Ron, as you know, I wasn't born yesterday. I understood completely. Hehe!
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by A [6466.1351] on October 01, 2006 at 21:14:24:
I get my bio-identical estrogen by Rx from my doc. He or she phones it in to a compounding pharmacy. I get two tubes at a time for vaginal application which last me at least three months. Cost is $110, used to be $90. Vaginal estrogen is safer than oral tablets and does the trick.
There are some soy-based estrogen creams in health food stores, but I didn't like them and they didn't work for me.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 23:15:14:
Check out this link if you like. www.womenshealth.com/estriol.html. I'll try to do a link for you.
In Reply to: A link for you re estriol posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 23:50:01:
link
In Reply to: one more time posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 23:52:39:
LOL. Does sound like it'd be good for your face. lol
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by moonchild [1815.2844] on October 01, 2006 at 16:33:33:
The bio-identical hormones cost more money not less. The insurance companies do not pay as much on them. She will still end up paying about $50.00.
In Reply to: A link for you re estriol posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 23:50:01:
Thanks, Naya.
Walt
In Reply to: one more time posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 23:52:39:
NM
In Reply to: Painful intercourse posted by A [6466.1351] on October 01, 2006 at 11:04:34:
Thanks for all your help! I truly appreciate it. And leave it to the men to crank up the heat! I figured a sex subject might get things exciting. It sure is a %$#@% getting older. But, I'd sure like to do it with a smile on my face! Thanks again!
In Reply to: one more time posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 23:52:39:
Once is not enough, huh? :)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by moonchild [1815.2844] on October 01, 2006 at 16:33:33:
You just have to learn you're not a kid anymore. :)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 20:29:16:
Naya, if you don't mind my asking would you have considered you sex life as very active, 20 times a month, active, 10 times a month, or some-what active before menopause?
Was it right after menopause when this started occurring to you?
My wife has gone through menopause and she doesn't have this problem, YET.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 01, 2006 at 14:33:55:
Hair dryer!!!!! :)
Or the exhaust on a vacuum cleaner. :)
In Reply to: Re: one more time posted by Charles [5739.1351] on October 02, 2006 at 23:00:58:
HA HA HA!!! Depends on the context, no? But, as you could see, the first time didn't work. Gotta keep on keepin' on.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [5739.1351] on October 02, 2006 at 23:10:50:
Hi Charles. I had an artifical and sudden menopause due to a total hysterectomy back in 1991, so all the hot flashes started then. I became very ill with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome during the following years and didn't have sex for a very long time, years. But when I wanted to start again, it was virtually impossible, so I tried several different estrogen preparations till I found the right one for me. It probably wouldn't have been as bad if I had been having sex throughout those "dry" years, but I wasn't taking any hormones then either.
As for activity, before, very active. I really couldn't say how many times a month - as many as possible, lol. Now my health still isn't good, but I still manage once or twice a week, only because I have CFS and get very exhausted from intense exercise. But I must say it is still worth it. It's a real stress reducer. Yum! :)
Hope this answers your question. Your wife is lucky. She still has her ovaries which do supply some women with enough estrogen. It also depends on body fat - the more you have, the more estrogen is present in the fatty tissues. I'm pretty thin.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by A [6466.1351] on October 02, 2006 at 21:25:28:
You're welcome. That's what we all are here for. Good luck!
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 03, 2006 at 02:11:13:
I know this is personal, but I'll ask and you can decide to answer or not. Did you not have sex because of the chronic fatigue syndrome? I am exusated all the time and am not sure why. Dr. has found I have hypothyroid and started me on synthyroid. Have been retested and put on higher dose. I am pre-menopausal and was bleeding terribly because my hormones were out of whack. I am wondering if I could have chronic fatigue syndrome also, because I am still terribly fatigued. Of course mate doesn't understand not having energy for much of anything including sex. Thanks.
In Reply to: Re: one more time posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 03, 2006 at 01:58:55:
Or the quality? :)
In Reply to: Re: one more time posted by Charles [6953.1351] on October 03, 2006 at 06:36:42:
Didn't the postman always ring twice? :)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 03, 2006 at 02:11:13:
I was wondering if the fluid females produce when they orgasm can help prevent the problems the problems you were talking about, not to mention that stuff we produce.
But you said you knew a lot of females that had that problem, didn't you?
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [6953.1351] on October 03, 2006 at 06:41:38:
How would the fluid produced when the woman orasms prevent this problem unless she was orgasming all the time?
p.s. I think it's the same fluid that is lacking due to low estrogen.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2571.8] on October 03, 2006 at 09:58:18:
I wouldn't say this fluid a woman produces at orgasm is oily but it sure isn't water either and all of it doesn't run out so the body probably absorbs it.
Why are some women give testesterone?
In Reply to: Re: one more time posted by Charles [6953.1351] on October 03, 2006 at 06:36:42:
Quality definitely counts! Twice is always good, too, or three, four....
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by M-to Naya [114.1351] on October 03, 2006 at 05:51:44:
Hi M. Your question isn't too personal at all. After all I already opened my big mouth, lol.
I didn't have sex for eight(!!!!!) years. That was a first for me. Reasons: I never quite bounced back from the hysterectomy and became more and more fatigued. I also broke up with my then boyfriend, but for other reasons. I couldn't tolerate the hormones I was given after the surgery - Premarin, which is the worst estrogen you can use. I was so sick anyway that I quit the hormones and was really too sick to go out and meet anyone new because I also had to quit my job. I just didn't meet anyone and it was not a priority.
I moved to CA in 1999 and a couple of years later, I met someone and wanted to have sex again. Then I realized how unlubricated and atrophied I had become. It only took a few months of being on HRT to get to a place where I was comfortable having sex again. But I have to say that even with the estrogen, I am still not as lubricated as I used to be, but I still have great sex, orgasms and all. I use artificial lubrication to help things along.
Perhaps you should see a holistic doc who is familiar with CFS, but having your thyroid, adrenals and hormone levels checked is a good place to start. I always wonder whether the hysterectomy caused my system to go out of wack and produce CFS in my case. I know of a few other similar cases.
I hope I have answered some of your concerns. BTW, Synthroid is not the best med to take. Armour Thyroid is natural, not synthetic and works much better. Most allopathic docs don't prescribe it, though. All holisistic docs whom I have been to recommend Armour. I think Walt does as well.
Sorry if I went on for too long. Bet this was much more than you expected. I wish you the best in solving your own problems. Don't hesitate to go doc shopping. Holisistic, complementary docs are much better with these problems than regular allopaths.
Best wishes!
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [120.14] on October 03, 2006 at 19:08:40:
You might want to see an endocrinologist, too.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [6953.1351] on October 03, 2006 at 06:41:38:
Well, I think it's a bit too watery. Besides, you want the lubrication before the orgasm, no? There is also artificial lubrication which helps a lot of women.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 23:15:14:
Maybe you should try honey!
It does wonders for the skin. hehehe
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 01, 2006 at 22:38:20:
Did you go back?
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [4668.1351] on October 03, 2006 at 21:12:27:
Yes but not because he turns me on.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [6953.1351] on October 03, 2006 at 18:19:29:
Testosterone provides several benefits to women:
In Reply to: Re: one more time posted by Naya [120.14] on October 03, 2006 at 18:50:41:
You're talking about 3 or 4 and you're 61?
You must've been all day all night when you was 45. :)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [120.14] on October 03, 2006 at 19:12:46:
If you have those or that fluid regularly, it might help. I found where it says that a woman produces 6 different hormones in her reproductive system, including her ovaries so that fluid should have some hormones in it.
And here I was thinking it was only to spur males on n to greater heights. :)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 03, 2006 at 21:14:26:
Are you happier this time?
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse (Bingo!!!) posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 01, 2006 at 23:08:33:
Just to get a little side-tracked here....;) I saw a show where a 60 year old woman used estrogen creme on her face to keep her skin younger looking. It did the trick, she looked about 45 to 50.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [4668.1351] on October 04, 2006 at 04:48:31:
I didn't move back in with him Charles, but why do you care anyway?
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse (Bingo!!!) - Naya posted by Barb [5186.2765] on October 04, 2006 at 07:02:11:
Really, Barb?! Do you remember the brand? I wonder if it would work on necks. That is the one place I'd love to have plastic surgery on.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [4668.1351] on October 04, 2006 at 04:44:04:
Well, that's good, too! :) Makes for a very nice reciprocal arrangement.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [4668.1351] on October 03, 2006 at 21:50:02:
I see you've done your homework. Testoterone can do that for some women. It can also give them an nice beard and mustache. Well...a little hairier, I'm serious. It can also cause depression in some women. I tried it and it made me very blah.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [120.14] on October 04, 2006 at 16:38:24:
No Naya, women make testosterone in your reproductive system. Maybe that is why some women are higher sexed than other, they make more!!!!!!
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 04, 2006 at 08:56:37:
I'd like for you to be happy, I have nothing against you, in fact you can be a lot of fun.
Are you waiting for me to jerk the rug out from under you? :)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [5425.1351] on October 04, 2006 at 18:50:43:
I am happy with the status quo of my relationsip. Does that make you happy?
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 04, 2006 at 19:10:13:
I'm happy for you if you're happy!
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [5425.1351] on October 04, 2006 at 18:48:12:
Sorry, I was referring to hormone replacement therapy which sometimes includes testosterone to boost sexual desire. If you are post-menopausal or have had a complete hysterectomy, you lose your testosterone as well as the estrogen and progesterone.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Naya [2016.14] on October 05, 2006 at 16:34:46:
Naya, isn't a womans' ovaries what produces an orgasm for her? That would seem to say they are still working even though they aren't producing eggs anymore and thus it would seem that the ovaries still produce hormones, am I incorrect?
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [5350.1351] on October 05, 2006 at 19:25:23:
Charles:
Ovaries do not produce orgasms. Even women without ovaries and/or uterus can have orgasms. They are the result of clitoral stimulation (the area is full of nerve endings). Orgasms can also be achieved well into old age in women.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [5350.1351] on October 05, 2006 at 19:25:23:
heard of vaginal and clitoral orgasms, but never an ovary one.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [5350.1351] on October 05, 2006 at 19:25:23:
LOL Charles. Study up.
Ovaries produce ova and nothing else (hopefully)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse (Bingo!!!) - Naya posted by Naya [120.14] on October 04, 2006 at 16:32:28:
No,sorry, I don't. It sounded like the woman used regular estrogen creme. Had been using it for 20 years.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 05, 2006 at 20:22:18:
Ova as in eggs???????/
Ovaries also produce hormones — including estrogen, progesterone and androgens — throughout the life-cycle, though the amounts they produce change (not necessarily declining), depending upon a woman’s age. It has been commonly thought that ovaries become essentially nonfunctional after a woman stops having periods, but studies in healthy women have proven that ovaries maintain their ability to produce steroid hormones for several decades after menopause. (See Reference 1, link below.) Parts of the ovaries do start to decrease in size when a woman is in her thirties, and they do lose mass more rapidly after age 45 on average, but they are not the inert fibrous tissue masses they’ve been thought to be.
As women age, only the outermost covering (theca) of the ovary regresses, the part where the eggs grow and develop and where physiological (“functional”) cysts form. In midlife, the innermost part of the ovary (inner stroma) becomes quite active for the first time in our lives (see Reference 2, link below). Studies have shown that our ovaries can produce androgens, as well as progesterone and estradiol, long after menopause. These hormones are significant in preventing osteoporosis and also maintaining energy and libido.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by PhillyLady [5066.2728] on October 05, 2006 at 19:31:02:
I know they don't but I know orgasms affect the ovaries because if my wife has more than 3 orgasms in a day she has problems with her ovaries.
What I was attempting to say was that orgasms triggers the ovaries to release fluids.
If this is not the fluid that females release at orgasm, where does it come from in women?
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [4668.1351] on October 05, 2006 at 22:28:35:
Maybe you need to read up, Lissa!
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [4668.1351] on October 05, 2006 at 22:28:35:
dang. you got me. but I don't think they have a thing to do with osteoporosis.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [4668.1351] on October 05, 2006 at 22:28:35:
Charles,
supposedly estrogen retards bone loss putting women at higher risk of osteoporosis, but I would think if that were true men would be at higher risk than they are, so what gives with that?
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [4668.1351] on October 05, 2006 at 22:36:52:
Charles:
Pre-orgasmic fluids come from the Bartholin gland and actual orgasmic fluid (if you mean female ejaculation)comes from pariurethral glands (the equivalent of the prostate).
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by lissa [2571.8] on October 06, 2006 at 08:18:16:
Still can't cut loose with those 3 little words, can you? :)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by PhillyLady [5444.1351] on October 06, 2006 at 08:34:59:
Female ejaculation comes out through the urethea, doesn't it?
So what about the fluid that comes out of the vagina at orgasm?
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [854.1351] on October 06, 2006 at 17:40:50:
Charles:
Must be the epithelium tissues. You can do a search for more info.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by PhillyLady [5066.1351] on October 06, 2006 at 20:01:00:
Light goes on, bells go off and maybe the vagina just weeps. :)
I don't understand why my wife would have problems with her ovaries because of how many orgasms she has if it isn't connected to orgasms. The articles I read said that a womans' ovaries and a males' testes are both called gonads. I once had so many orgasms, I went dry and even though I had another orgasm, there was nothing in the gun and I had this dull hollow pain in my testicles. That is why I think an orgasm has an effect on the womens' ovaries.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [5739.1351] on October 06, 2006 at 22:56:40:
Charles:
Maybe the pains were connected to muscles spasms? Could it have been the constriction and relaxation of the muscles that caused the pain? Or, you think swelling of the tissues had something to do with it? Yeah, that's it.....swelling & muscle spasms:-)
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by PhillyLady [5066.2728] on October 07, 2006 at 09:36:09:
Are you talking about me or my wife? In my case the pain remained long after the spasms had subsided. :)
I think the problem was being thirsty and going to the well only to find out the well was dry. :)
In her case, she had soreness and pain in her lower belly.
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by Charles [5350.1351] on October 05, 2006 at 19:25:23:
Charles, if you still have your ovaries, even after menopause, they do still produce some lower levels of hormones. You answered yourself below. But - if you have had your ovaries removed along with your uterus, you're outta luck unless you take HRT.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: Painful intercourse posted by PhillyLady [5066.2728] on October 07, 2006 at 09:36:09:
I have read that high levels of testosterone causes men to go bald.
All of my brothers have hair on their head, not me. :)
I had a receeding hair line when I was very young. :)
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Re: Painful intercourse
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Re: Painful intercourse
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Re: Painful intercourse
Posted by PhillyLady [5444.1351] on October 06, 2006 at 08:34:59:
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Re: Painful intercourse
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Re: Painful intercourse
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Re: Painful intercourse
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Re: Painful intercourse
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