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Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by
Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 06, 2009 at 17:49:02:

I was diagnosed with uncontrollable high blood pressure in January 2006. I
have been seeing a cardiologist since then with no success in getting my b/p
under control. I have been able to take diovan 160 twice a day and cardizem
LA180 once a day which takes my b/p down about 20 to 30 points. My doctor has
asked me to try at least 10 other medications and diuretics with no success. I had side effects with all of them.
I do not know what to do. Can you give me some advice? My b/p is running
at about 170/100 in the am when I get up and as I take my meds throughout the day it takes it
down to 140/70 some days. Other days even with the meds it stays at about
the same as when I get up in the morning. I stopped going to my cardiologist and I am going to start working on this problem with my family doctor.



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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by MJ [4308.7228] on January 06, 2009 at 18:38:19:

In Reply to: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 06, 2009 at 17:49:02:

Have you been checked for a pheochromocytoma? Here's a link to some info:

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec13/ch164/ch164f.html

It may be worth asking your GP to run the test. Uncontrollable high blood pressure is a symptom.

Best,
Melissa Jane


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 06, 2009 at 19:30:14:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by MJ [4308.7228] on January 06, 2009 at 18:38:19:

yes, I was checked for pheochromocytoma in February 2006. No, I do not have this.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 06, 2009 at 19:43:59:

In Reply to: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 06, 2009 at 17:49:02:

Is this coming from one of your renal arteries, Elizabeth? What else have they ruled out?


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on January 06, 2009 at 23:36:08:

In Reply to: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 06, 2009 at 17:49:02:

Hi Elizabeth,

How much overweight are you?

Do you have any other symptoms of heightened response
to any stimulus.. overreacting?
Are you a very nervous person? Easily startled, always
expecting to be surprised... Are you continually bracing?

Is one of the meds that you have been put on.. Valium/Xanax?


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.6593] on January 07, 2009 at 05:02:47:

In Reply to: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 06, 2009 at 17:49:02:

Hi Elizabeth,

What's your lifestyle.... diet, exercise, etc. Do you have a regular relaxation program?

I know many people who have brought their high blood pressure down by making lifestyle changes.... in particular the 3LS Wellness Program recommended on this website. Skilled relaxation may be the most important thing. See the article, How to be Healthy, link below.

Best wishes,
Jan



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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 07:28:17:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.6593] on January 07, 2009 at 05:02:47:

I live a healthy lifestyle, I follow the Weight Watchers Program - I do not drink or smoke and I try to do SR 2 times a week and I exercise 2 times a week and I do yoga 1 time a week.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 07:31:38:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Ron [5412.2287] on January 06, 2009 at 23:36:08:

I weight 133 and I am 5 ft tall. I am very laid back.
Maybe sometime too laid back. I am Hypothryoid.
I have never taken Valium or Xanax.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 07:34:36:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 06, 2009 at 19:43:59:

My kidneys have been checked. I had an Ultra Sound and a Cat Scan. I went to a nephrologist and the only interest she had was my blood - at the time I was anemic so she gave me procrit shots and that was it.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on January 07, 2009 at 08:17:12:

In Reply to: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 06, 2009 at 17:49:02:

Elizabeth,

Your BP is partially controlled with the meds and not at a critical level yet. What have you done for the causes of hypertension in general (archives)? In the meantime you should be less spastic about your current levels of BP while the causes are being addressed. You will need monitoring at home and constant surveillance by your doc in the meantime.

Walt


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 07, 2009 at 08:18:26:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 07:34:36:

This is a real puzzle after reading all your responses. I had a friend whose renal artery was so narrow and they ended putting a shunt at the base of her skull (if I remember) to reduce the blood pressure.
So that was what they checked on you?


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by craig [3862.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 08:49:39:

In Reply to: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 06, 2009 at 17:49:02:

Hypothyroid was mentioned. Are your Docs dismissive of that possibility? I'd ask a good Endocrinologist.
In the meantime heres a couple of suggestions.First off look into a high quality Pomegranate Extract. Some studies show dramatic lowering of BP from daily dose of Pomy. Go to lef.org and use search function to read studies. Prepare to be amazed at what happened to accumulated plaque (as measured by ultrasound on carotid artey's)of study participants. A secondary obsrvation was dramatic drop in BP.
Here's another, go to BPdown.com and read. Simple technique of squeezing / releasing forearm muscles in specified manner causes significant drop in BP. There are several devices costing in range of 300 bucks that are proven to work and BP down technique much cheaper and just as effective. Doubters refer to Harvard Med to confirm this NATURAL technique works! Good luck and I hope you'll report back what you've learned from above.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 07, 2009 at 09:55:42:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by craig [3862.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 08:49:39:

Pretty fascinating reply, craig. Are you in the medical field or student in alternative? I love pomegranates.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 11:05:16:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 07, 2009 at 08:18:26:

Yes, the cardiogist spoke about putting a stent in my kidney. They did find on the Cat Scan that one kidney was smaller than the other. But the Ultra Sound said both kidneys were normal.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 11:10:39:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on January 07, 2009 at 08:17:12:

I have been monitoring at home for the past two years and I have been seeing a cardiologist every 2 months also. I have tried many B/P medications and have had side effects except for the two I am presently taking. I have read the archives and still cannot find a solution to this problem.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 11:18:49:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by craig [3862.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 08:49:39:

I have been seeing a Endocrinologist for 25 years. I am Hypothyroid. My thyroid is under control. This doctor is the one that did the testing for a pheo and then sent me to the Cardiologist. I see the Endo annually. I have been looking at Resperate, a device that I found online.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 07, 2009 at 11:29:04:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 11:05:16:

I'm sorry to be harping on this but I'm not clear if we are talking about the same thing. There are two sometimes three arteries involved, and not the kidney per se that matters. Does your doctor say whether any of these arteries are causing the HBP? I think you need the test where they inject the dye and they can see the blood vessels. Is that what you had? I forget if it's called an IVP or not.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on January 07, 2009 at 12:22:15:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 11:05:16:

Elizabeth,

If a stent is being considered it should be placed without delay. The longer the narrowing persists the less likely the stent will do any good.

Walt


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Ron [3468.2287] on January 07, 2009 at 13:43:18:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 07:31:38:

Hi Elizabeth,

Having your Thyroid TSH checked and loosing 20 pounds
should solve the High BP

see link



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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 14:10:11:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 07, 2009 at 11:29:04:

yes - I did have the test with dye but that was about 2 - 3 years ago. Should it be done agaln?


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 14:17:23:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Ron [3468.2287] on January 07, 2009 at 13:43:18:

My thyroid is checked every year and it is in the low end of the normal range. Last time it was .086. I follow the Weight Watcher Program and I am 5 lbs over my goal. WW allows 2lbs over. So maybe I should get the 5 lbs off.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by craig [3862.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 16:39:32:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 07, 2009 at 09:55:42:

AT... Heh, nope just a health nut who reads a lot. I have proof that many supplements can be used theraputically and try and pass along what I know to be effective.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by craig [3862.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 16:48:50:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by craig [3862.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 08:49:39:

Elizabeth, The Resperate device DEFINITELY works as discussed I believe on their website regarding the Harvad study. I have a close friend who has one and has successfuly lowered his BP rather dramatically. I mentioned the "BP Down" site because they use simple rubber balls to achieve the same results and you save 250 bucks!It's a shame Docs fall prey to the "Pharma Mafia" and keep pushing dangerous drugs instead of starting with, "Lose weight, excercise and try this natural proven method BEFORE I load you up with dangerous and mostly innefective and costly drugs".


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by craig [3862.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 16:48:52:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by craig [3862.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 08:49:39:

Elizabeth, The Resperate device DEFINITELY works as discussed I believe on their website regarding the Harvad study. I have a close friend who has one and has successfuly lowered his BP rather dramatically. I mentioned the "BP Down" site because they use simple rubber balls to achieve the same results and you save 250 bucks!It's a shame Docs fall prey to the "Pharma Mafia" and keep pushing dangerous drugs instead of starting with, "Lose weight, excercise and try this natural proven method BEFORE I load you up with dangerous and mostly innefective and costly drugs".


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 07, 2009 at 17:04:21:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 14:10:11:

Elizabeth, did you read Walt's last comment about the stent? They probably place it by going through the groin which is actually the angiogram that would also show the arteries and not the IVP as I first said.
I wonder if there is another way around this if it is the cause of your HBP. Are you seeing a urologist?


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 17:42:37:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 07, 2009 at 17:04:21:

No I am not seeing a Urologist. Why would I see a Urologist? I was seeing a Cardologist every 2 months for the last two years with no success in getting my b/p under control. I think he was getting frustrated with me. He was taking 10 days to two weeks to answer my calls about side effects with the medications and he would forbid me to stop taking it before I talked to him. For the last two months I have been seeing my family doc once a month. He increased my diovan to twice a day. I am fine with this but I am not sure if it is taking the b/p down much more. I have good days and bad days where it will not move from around 170/100. I will be seeing the family doc on Friday.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on January 07, 2009 at 18:05:01:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 17:42:37:

This possibly has more to do with your kidneys than your heart.
Ask your GP.



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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.6593] on January 07, 2009 at 18:34:03:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 07:28:17:

Hi Elizabeth,

Did you mean you do SR two times a day?

Best wishes,
Jan


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 19:34:17:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.6593] on January 07, 2009 at 18:34:03:

I know that is what I should be doing but no - I do SR only 2 times a week.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure--big SIGH! Archive in hypertension.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on January 08, 2009 at 06:51:37:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 17:42:37:

Elizabeth,

You really need a urologist on this case! It is the reduction in flow of one artery to the kidney that causes about 5% of correctible, incorrigable hypertension like you are describing. That is why you have had a stent suggested, Unfortunately, the longer this restricted flow is present the more irreversible changes happen to the kidney where this flow goes and the less benefits you can get by re-establishing the flow with the stent. Have not your current docs explained this to you?

Walt


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.6593] on January 08, 2009 at 08:43:30:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 19:34:17:

Aha!

That's the missing link! At my massage office, one of my clients, a scientist, started doing SR twice a day for his high blood pressure. He scientifically charted his results as he went along, and discovered that the SR not only lowered his blood pressure during his SR sessions but also all the time. He's now an enthusiastic believer in the results of SR to lower blood pressure. He even gave me a testimonial for the book because he went on to make even more health improvements.

But we already know that SR works very effectively for high blood pressure --- but you DO have to do it twice a day AND make sure you are reaching the relaxation response (alpha brainwave) each time.

Best wishes,
Jan


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure--big SIGH! Archive in hypertension.

Posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 08, 2009 at 10:01:24:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure--big SIGH! Archive in hypertension. posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on January 08, 2009 at 06:51:37:

I did see a nephrologist and after I had an Ultra Sound and Cat Scan of the kidney, she no longer talked about a stent so I am assuming everything was alright with the test except some slight narrowing of the arties.


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure--big SIGH! Archive in hypertension.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on January 08, 2009 at 13:04:41:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure--big SIGH! Archive in hypertension. posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 08, 2009 at 10:01:24:

Thanks, Elizabeth.

How long ago did you see the nephrologist? It does not take much of an arterial narrowing to put you in the catagory of the BP becoming controllable this way. Since only 5% of persistant hypertension can be helped if there is a significant narrowing of any renal artery, this deserves serious consideration. If the experts say that this is not an option the only thing I have to offer are the things in the hypertension archives and the 3LS.

Walt


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on January 08, 2009 at 19:01:00:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 11:10:39:

Try eating oranges, tangerines and date palms but not all at the same time. They are the top of the list for antihypertensive activity.

Antihypertensive 1,000-4,000 mg/man/day


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on January 08, 2009 at 19:01:05:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by Elizabeth [4954.2765] on January 07, 2009 at 11:10:39:

Try eating oranges, tangerines and date palms but not all at the same time. They are the top of the list for antihypertensive activity.

Antihypertensive 1,000-4,000 mg/man/day


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Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on January 09, 2009 at 08:11:11:

In Reply to: Re: Uncontrollable High Blood Pressure posted by craig [3862.2761] on January 07, 2009 at 08:49:39:

You're probably right about plaque and pomegranates.

Antiatherosclerotic 400 mg/day 500 mg/day




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