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Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by W on October 30, 2003 at 21:55:34:

No, I don't have it, but was wondering if you recommend getting boosters. I haven't had a tetanus shot in about two decades but was thinking that maybe I should. Yet I know that most people on this site don't believe in vaccines.



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by Mike on October 30, 2003 at 22:18:51:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by W on October 30, 2003 at 21:55:34:

You are right,m any of us do not believe in vaccines or flu shots either. If you get a tetanus, be aware that many places give you a DPT, not just a tetanus shot alone.



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by Luba on October 30, 2003 at 23:03:23:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by Mike on October 30, 2003 at 22:18:51:

It saved my life 10 years ago. I was sitting on the deck one day and the next day there was a bump on my lower arm. I thought it was a mosquito bite so I didn't give it much thought. Within few days it got really big and then burst and at about the dame time I noticed a black line that ran almost to my shoulder, I knew it was blood poisnining so I went to the emergency room and the doctor told me me it looked like it was a brown recluse spider bite and if I didn't come that night, I would be dead within few hours. He gave me Tetanus shot ( which like I didn't have for many years ) and a hefty dose of antibiotic and the next day the blak line was gone. He said that if I had that shot a year or two earlier I wouldn't get the blood poisoning. You can drow your own conclussion from this but my suggestion, your life might be at stake if you don;t have it.

Luba



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? (Archive in immunizations.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 31, 2003 at 08:38:15:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by W on October 30, 2003 at 21:55:34:

Hi, W.

You could get a blood test (tetanus titer) to see if you need it. Theoretically, if you have not had one for 20 years, you will need the entire series again: one a month for 3 doses and then one a year later.

Walt

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Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by For Luba on October 31, 2003 at 18:32:36:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by Luba on October 30, 2003 at 23:03:23:

I didn't know that tetanus was the same thing as blood poisning I know that you have to get three shots in one when you get the tetanus shot. I refused to take the tetanus shot when they wanted to give me one. I was raised on a farm and never did the shot. I live in a large city now and stay inside most the time. Since I am retired from outside work.



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by Janet - to for Luba on October 31, 2003 at 19:01:06:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by For Luba on October 31, 2003 at 18:32:36:

I don't think tetanus is defined as the same as blood poisoning. Tetanus comes from the soil, and usually a person gets a puncture wound which does not bleed - the used to think this was like a rusty nail, but now they know it comes from bacteria. It is sometimes called "lockjaw".
"they" advise having a tetanus booster shot every 7 years.



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by Luba on October 31, 2003 at 20:36:51:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by Janet - to for Luba on October 31, 2003 at 19:01:06:

Hi Janet,

My blood poisnining was from the spider bite and the tetanus shot along the high dose of antibiotic shot saved my life so I am grateful for it. I am going to get another one soon to prevent it from happening again. We have a lot of spiders and other wildlife in our yard as we live next to the National Park. I am all for tetanus shots!

Luba



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by W on October 31, 2003 at 22:03:16:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by Luba on October 31, 2003 at 20:36:51:

Thank you all for your answers. I also always thought that it had to do with rusty metal, not spider bites.
The tetanus vaccine is the kind of thing that's so easy to be lazy about or just to simply forget. I have a feeling that I won't be getting one soon, yet obviously I should.



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by Luba on October 31, 2003 at 23:51:27:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by W on October 31, 2003 at 22:03:16:

I guess when the spider is poinous like the brown recluse and the poison gets into the blood stream, there will be blood poisnoning and it looked pretty scary, thank goodness for tetanus!

Luba

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Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by Luba on October 31, 2003 at 23:54:40:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by For Luba on October 31, 2003 at 18:32:36:

I didn't know about it either but I guess it is supposed to protect us from blood poisoning no matter what source it is coming from. Brown recluse is very poisnous and I am lucky I noticed it in time. I do have a deep hole in my arm now but that is just fine with me!

Luba

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Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by I believe in tetanus shots on November 01, 2003 at 10:17:28:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by W on October 30, 2003 at 21:55:34:

I know of someone that died from NOT getting their tetanus shot...I DEFINITELY believe in getting this kind of shot, I keep tracked of when I'm going to need it next, I had mine done back in 97, so I'll need another one soon. I believe that people NEED certain vaccination shots. Tetanus is when you get cut with something like a nail ect., you can get lockjaw...VERY SERIOUS!!



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by maire on November 01, 2003 at 10:55:14:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by W on October 30, 2003 at 21:55:34:

three of my family members got tetanus shoots at the same time. All got hard half- grapefruit lumps at the injection site. * years later, I had another tetanus shot and got a MAJOR bad reaction.

I've since researched bvaccines and found out that there are bad lots of vaccines, that a minor reaction can indicate you have been sensitized to the vaccine and next time you will be subject to a worse reaction, evben with a 'good' lot.

Vaccines contain poisons such a thimerisol and formadyhyde. They also contain foreign matter from other species.

The best selection of vaccine- awareness books is available from New Atlatean books in Santa Fe NM- they do mail order.

Research this subject before you have kids.

The medical establishment is hiding behind the excuse 'genetic' for lots of ailments today, but baby boomers ( the first really vaccinated generation are dying sooner than their parents- read obituraries of people under 55- their parents are ofter both still alive and they've often been pre-deceased by a sibling. The baby boomers children have as ridiculous incxidence of learning disabilities.

Are vaccines poison?yes.

Are diseases nature's way of building our immune system? I believe so.

Should people too weak to survive nature's challenges be artificially kept alive by avoiding those diseases long enough to reproduce?- I think we are vaccinating ourselves into extinction.

since you asked



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by Luba on November 01, 2003 at 12:02:16:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by I believe in tetanus shots on November 01, 2003 at 10:17:28:

So do I. And it protects not only from blood pisoning from cuts but poisonous bites too. It saved my life after a brown recluse spider bite when I already had blood poisnoning that almost killed me.

Luba

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Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by For Maire on November 02, 2003 at 18:59:28:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by maire on November 01, 2003 at 10:55:14:

So do you believe children, well & adults do not need Tetanus shots? Seems like even Dr Stoll thinks we should.



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by maire on November 04, 2003 at 09:56:35:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by For Maire on November 02, 2003 at 18:59:28:

yes, I believe in avoiding all vaccines.Wounds should be cleaned and carefully treated- epsom salt soaks and liberal applications of bacitracin ointment are time consuming, but they work.
Vaccines are often given as a time saver and convenience- which is the wrong reason to give a medicine.
Vaccines have a nasty kick- sometimes so far down the road, that it's hard to establish cause and effect, but as cancer and diabetes go epidemic in my generation, among people whose parents did not get those diseases,I think it's time to seriously question the premises upon which everything that's been done to us medically are based.

Disease builds the immune system.
Dirt builds the immune system. The CDC has actually said that children should be allowed to play in the dirt- finally- a sensible statement from our gov't!!
Pets, in the first year of a child's life, reduce the chance of animal allergies- you have to be exposed to life to survive it.
Articles on the antibiotic problem have mentioned the anti-bacterial household cleaners are part of the problem.

I understand the emotional basis that led to the development of vaccines. My mom was one of 17 kids, one of 7 who lived to adulthood. It's got to be traumatic to lose all those siblings. I'll bet lots of researchers and doctors of her generation lost a sibling or cousin to a childhood disease ( though their families were probably smaller to start.
It was the most natural thing in the world for them to want to wipe out disease.

BUT IT WAS ARROGANT

the world is interconnected. Nature is a sensible, interactive system.
some people die. it is very sad, but it works. The weak died in childhood. The strong lived long enough to reproduce.It made all of humanity stronger. It improved our chances for survival as a species.

Now, most people live long enough to reproduce. We've got a lot of people dying in their 40's and 50's of immune disorders. I believe, if we continue on this course, the human race will soon be extinct.This is stupid.

It is not the place of scientists to mess with what nature or g_d has designed.
Do you know why we have genetically engineered crops? Because scientists think they can improve upon Nature.

Do you know why there is mad cow disease? Because ranchers thought they knew better than the cow what the cow should be eating. Cows eat grass. If you feed them sheep brains, they can get mad cow disease. If you feed them grain, you get a heavier cow for making $$$$, but you also get more cholestrol in the meat.

There are a lot of theories of where AIDS came from.
In The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS they said that needles in vaccination programs in Africa were re-used until they broke. Our science knew by then not to re-use needles without sterilizing in between. Science knew other diseases could be spread through shared blood. But the peoplke doing these programs believed that their goals- to vaccinate as many people as possible, as cheaply and possible, were more important than other goals- like medical hygiene.
Another theory of AIDS is the unrecognized retrovirus in the polio vaccine.
Another theory has to do with a clinic in NYC that mostly treated gay men. The clinic experimented with polio vaccine in the treatment of hepatitis. SURPRISE!!
These guys were already having health problems, with the hepatitis.It was a time in America befiore 'safe' sex and of drug popularity, which is also bad for the immune system.
This epidemic was probably caused by well-meaning medical people who only wanted to help people.

We've got to stop messing with Nature, while there's still time.



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by For Maire on November 04, 2003 at 17:57:33:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by maire on November 04, 2003 at 09:56:35:

I agree with you 100%, its just when Dr Stoll says you should have the Tetanus vaccine, i was thinking well maybe this one i should have. But i just dont agree with them full stop. I just feel support the immune system.



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by maire on November 04, 2003 at 19:55:09:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by For Maire on November 04, 2003 at 17:57:33:

there is a risk to avoiding vaccines- I just figure that they have enough long term ill effects that the risk is worth it- that's me, we each have to make up our own minds.



Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus?

Posted by For Maire on November 05, 2003 at 06:47:56:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll: Tetanus? posted by maire on November 04, 2003 at 19:55:09:

Yep, thats me too!

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