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Posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

I had my daughter's 1st round of shots done-which I don't agree with, but my husband on the other hand....
Anyway, she had DTP, Hep B, & Pneumococcal. She was very drowsy, cranky, fever etc. and my gut just told me it wasn't right. Anyway, thank God she is ok, but I am really struggling with my husband not to get anymore. Even the Dr. said she would not do the pertussis again.

I know Dr. Stoll recommends the tetanus but I am not sure if that is offered for children without the diptheria. I read through the immunization archives the best I could and he also said that there are some vaccines with benefit, so I am just wondering which should I get for my daughter.

It scared me so much the 2 days she was so different. I cried all day both days. My husband still thinks that we should get them. He won't take the time to educate himself. I thought maybe I could meet him half way if there are some not so dangerous ones. If I had it my way, I would probably only get the tetanus.



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Posted by R. [577.2327] on October 28, 2005 at 00:21:32:

In Reply to: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

he also said that there are some vaccines with benefit, so I am just wondering which should I get for my daughter.

In a recent reply to Bliss, he said that his views have changed over time and that if he had to decide whether to vaccinate his children, he wouldn't do it.

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Posted by AD [169.2321] on October 28, 2005 at 00:30:12:

In Reply to: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

Perhaps you and your husband could meet somewhere in the middle. I am of the opinion that all those vaccines on such a young child is just not a good idea. If he insists on all the vaccinations, perhaps he might agree to letting your baby get them later (hopefully much later), and get one at a time spaced over several years.

It's hard to understand why they want to pump so many of them all at once into these tiny perfect babies then let the mother go home and care for a suddenly sick and crying infant.

Note: My daughter had the first two rounds of shots, but she was so sick after the second one, I refused to have her immunized further. She's all grown up now and was and is the picture of perfect health. I really understand your concern.


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Posted by leon cavallo [1649.20] on October 28, 2005 at 02:10:46:

In Reply to: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

wow
we will pray for you.
try not to cry. do what you can and look for the best. do not live in fear of the worst! and certainly don't dwell on it. even thinking rationally, so many kids have this, and most are fine. we may not agree, but try not to let yourself get all negative.



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Posted by R. [577.2327] on October 28, 2005 at 02:56:18:

In Reply to: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

My husband still thinks that we should get them. He won't take the time to educate himself.

Agree with him if he's able to logically convince you that the vaccines are safe and effective. Is he capable of having rational discussions?

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Posted by ANN [1003.516] on October 28, 2005 at 07:30:43:

In Reply to: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

If your doctor says she wouldn't do the pertussis again, she can write a medical exemption to that vaccine for your daughter and she'll be allowed into daycare or school without having the pertussis vaccine (which is the most dangerous one). I know docotrs can do DT without the P, don't know if they can just do T, but , since the doctor is sympathetic on this particular vaccine- ask her, if T is available alone (better than spending the next two months wondering).
My kids have never been vaccinated. When I married, I didn't believe in vaccines, but my husband was a scientist who had never questioned them. I started reading anti-vaccine books. My husband was super busy with work, so I'd just work a line or two from the book I was reading into the dinner conversation each night- I didn't argue the issue, I just fed him the information along with the telling him about what was happening in the world (he never reads newspapers). After a few weeks of giving him little snippets of info, out of the blue one day, he said, "you know, I don't think we should vaccinate the dogs any more" -I was pregnant with our first child at the time, and, of course, you don't do to a kid what you wouldn't do to a dog.
Note: I explained liability to my husband and he agreed that we could get the dogs rabies shots (I don't believe the rabies shot is safe or effective, but it would be too much hassle if one of the dogs bit an intruder and hadn't had the rabies shot).
My husband stopped getting his annual flu shot after that, also.
People CAN change- don't nag, don't argue-just give him info conversationally in small enough pieces that he can assimilate them.I have friends who vaccinated their first children and stopped doing so with sunsequent children-people DO change, keep a good thought.



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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on October 28, 2005 at 08:07:52:

In Reply to: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

Yeah, me too, Jennifer.

Remember that depends upon raising the child on whole foods (organic as much as possible).

Walt

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Posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 28, 2005 at 08:45:05:

In Reply to: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

Thank you for all your replies.

I begged my husband to sit at the computer for a while to actually see the facts behind these vaccines. He believes they actually protect against diseases, and I told him the facts don't show that. He looked like a deer in headlights and is actually going to read about them-I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I told him I would actually rather my daughter die from a disease than to be maimed for life. I couldn't live with myself if I had taken her little baby self into the doctor with smiles and leave with a really sick baby.

Luckily, my state is a right to refuse based on personal reasons so I don't have to fight anyone about it in the school systems. Even the doctor said it's a very hard decision and all these vaccines were not written in stone that I have to get them. She actually has an open mind about them!

Thank you again.



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Posted by ANN [1003.516] on October 28, 2005 at 09:35:07:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 28, 2005 at 08:45:05:

you might want your husband to read this

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Posted by skippy [568.1351] on October 28, 2005 at 14:22:14:

In Reply to: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

ok, I'm confused. Walt didn't answer the question. Vaccinations, yes or no???



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Posted by Sue [3468.1881] on October 28, 2005 at 14:45:52:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by ANN [1003.516] on October 28, 2005 at 07:30:43:

Ann,
I have been struggeling with this issue for a while now. My son is fully vaccinated up to 1 year ( thats when I found out about side effects/risks).My question for you is how often are your children sick (colds,ear infections, etc) and have they had any major diseases (measles, etc)My worry is if I dont vaccinate the next child what are the chances of getting pertusis,measles, etc. Just read about a polio outbreak in Minnesota in the mennonite community.



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Posted by R. [577.2327] on October 28, 2005 at 15:06:27:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 28, 2005 at 08:45:05:

Also have him peruse http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php. There he find data that contradicts the widely spread opinion that vaccines have eradicated smallpox, polio, etc. Trends for those diseases were already downward by the time vaccines were introduced, and the vaccines didn't seem to improve anything. So, this addresses the "vaccines are effective" belief.

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Posted by R. [577.2327] on October 28, 2005 at 15:25:09:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Sue [3468.1881] on October 28, 2005 at 14:45:52:

if I dont vaccinate the next child what are the chances of getting pertusis,measles, etc.

You can't know that. You can only find out average statistics, but that is quite irrelevant for an individual because susceptibility to various diseases varies from a person to person widely.

But even if you knew the risk, there's a question whether vaccines will help. And there is evidence that they won't. Here's one of sources with such information:

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Posted by Jennifer [4650.2291] on October 28, 2005 at 16:02:49:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by skippy [568.1351] on October 28, 2005 at 14:22:14:

He did answer the question. He said me too which was agreeing with what I said about if it was my choice I would only get the tetanus.

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Posted by Jayne S. [819.4] on October 28, 2005 at 16:44:36:

In Reply to: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

Jennifer.....here is my 2 cents worth.......after hearing the horror story of a friend's grandchild who had just gotten the DPT shot, and began to have seizures, I learned about www.909shot.com -

That will really bring tears to your eyes!

Maybe you can print that for your husband..........

My children had shots years ago, but I refused one in 4th grade for one child, and never had to worry about them again!!

good luck :-)

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Posted by ANN [1003.516] on October 28, 2005 at 18:15:56:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Sue [3468.1881] on October 28, 2005 at 14:45:52:

two of my kids have type 1 diabetes, which no one claims comes from not vaccinating (my town has an epidemic of type 1, so we suspect environmental factors).
The kids tend to each have about one cold every two years. No earaches until we started using the community pool when my second child was about 6. He gets one earache a year during swimming season. None of the others get earaches. No flu or other illnesses EXCEPT- first kid diagnosed with diabete was kept in the hospital 14 days. on the 10th day, he came down with strep throat (at age 7) and got his first ever antibiotics. After that, he got sick frequently for the next two years, until we figured out he had developed a gluten allergy (probably from the strep). Once he was off gluten, he stopped getting those sicknesses. It also helped that another mom finally told me that antibiotics need to be counterbalanced with acidophilus (I hadn't known that). I believe he got strep in the hospital.
There are no guarantees, but I believe that natural immunity is superior to vaccines and that childhood diseases serve the purpose of building the imune system. I suspect that baby boomers problems with cancer, lupus, and type 2 diabetes are related to their being the first multiply vaccinated generation.
I believe vaccines are responsible for multiple allergies and for learning disabilities.
A site I like is www.909shot.com

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Posted by blissy [4.1399] on October 28, 2005 at 20:48:49:

In Reply to: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 27, 2005 at 23:04:17:

Hi Jennifer

I ahve been going through the same very mixed emotions on this issue. Wanting to do the best for my child's health, and not expose him to any of those horrid chemicals in the vaccinations.

Plus geeeeeeez, how do I break it to my husband?! That was going to be hard. After all this is not just MY child, but his as well!!!

So I went through some of my research posts from another healthboard (and also got him to read Walt's reply to me) It was a real eye opener for him let me tell you!

Also, have you thought about homeopathic vaccines.

I don't like the idea of the allopathic vaccines, but I also don't like the idea of leaving my son open to the diseases out there. I mean, what if he contracts polio or something because I decided NOT to vaccinate him. Sure you can keep him healthy, but as it is,he already contracted chickenpox, and he is going to be around lots of other kids (granted most ofthem will have had their shots) but still there is a risk, right?

So I am looking into the homeopathic way for now. The man here in Australia who came out with homeopathic vaccines, did so because his children were badly injured by the regular vaccinations.

His name is Isaac Golden, if youwant to do a bit of research.

It's a really hard subject to broach with family or friends. LThey don't understand, and can really put fear into you if you decide against the regular allopathic vaccinations.

So I just think that I have to do what is in the best interests of my son, but there is always that little doubt. Will he be adequately protected if I choose against regular vaccinations????



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Posted by blissy [4.1399] on October 28, 2005 at 21:21:21:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by leon cavallo [1649.20] on October 28, 2005 at 02:10:46:

***try not to cry.***

That is SO hard to do as a mother, Leon! if you see your child in pain, a child that you carried in your body for 9months, watch him/her grow, there is such a strong maternal attachment, that it DOES break a mothers heart to see her child suffer. and if it's because of the mother's decision, then it's double the pain, for mother and child!

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Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll (Are there different policies for different U.S. States?)

Posted by blissy [4.1399] on October 28, 2005 at 21:22:34:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by Jennifer [3514.2291] on October 28, 2005 at 08:45:05:

***Luckily, my state is a right to refuse based on personal reasons so I don't have to fight anyone about it in the school systems.***

So in some states it is mandatory???



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Posted by Blissy [4.1399] on October 28, 2005 at 21:24:21:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by blissy [4.1399] on October 28, 2005 at 20:48:49:

My husband has read SOME of the research on the net that i have done, but just made the comment that maybe we should ask our regular family doctor about the homeopathic vaccines.

But I already know what the doc is going to say. (sigh)

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Posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 28, 2005 at 21:57:12:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll (Are there different policies for different U.S. States?) posted by blissy [4.1399] on October 28, 2005 at 21:22:34:

Hi Blissy,

I don't believe it is mandatory in any state, but that people are generally led to believe that it is.

However, If you refuse to vaccinate your child, you must sign a paper that states:I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact with.

(that's what it says in my state anyway)

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Posted by R. [577.2327] on October 28, 2005 at 22:07:38:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll posted by blissy [4.1399] on October 28, 2005 at 20:48:49:

Bliss, have you had the conversation with the vaccine center people? If so, how did they answer your questions?

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Posted by ANN [1003.516] on October 29, 2005 at 07:46:22:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll (Are there different policies for different U.S. States?) posted by blissy [4.1399] on October 28, 2005 at 21:22:34:

there are three kinds of exemptions in the US-medical, religious, and philosophical. Medical exemptions are like, if one of you kids has a reaction to a specific vaccine, the doctor may exempt that kid and possibly subsequent siblings from receiving more doses of that vaccine. Religious exemptions are when a parent signs a statement that vaccine sviolate their religion (our supreme court has ruled you don't have to belong to an organized religion to claim religious beliefs). Third is philosophic exemption- available in only about half of our states, but probably passed to help people who have ore intellectual objections and/or are atheists and don't feel comfortable claiming a religious exemption.
Amedical exemption to flu shots would be if you were allergic to eggs or chicken, but we don't have mandatory flu shots (except for members of the military and maybe prisoners). There are quite a lot of medical exemptions to the smallpox vaccine, which could become mandatory in a time of biological warfare or threat-it is considered danfgerous for people over 50, pregnant people and for household members of pregnant people, so those people might qualify for medical exemptions.



Vaccines (Are there different policies for different U.S. States?) Archive

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on October 30, 2005 at 06:46:18:

In Reply to: Re: Vaccines-Dr. Stoll (Are there different policies for different U.S. States?) posted by ANN [1003.516] on October 29, 2005 at 07:46:22:

Thanks, Ann.

Good summary.

Walt

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