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Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 18, 2006 at 14:15:27:

I don't mean this to be a stupid question, but why is it that so many people get sick after getting the flu shot? Most of the time the flu shot that is actually given isn't even for the type of flu going around? Does it really help people?

I always believed that people get the flu/or sick after getting the flu shot, because of the shot itself. My husband who is in the medical profession, (not a DR)......says that is a myth. You don't get sick from the flu shot. If a person gets sick after getting the flu shot they were going to get sick anyway.

I think its too much of a coinsidence.



Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by J [114.1351] on November 18, 2006 at 14:40:50:

In Reply to: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 18, 2006 at 14:15:27:

Also, I hope this isn't a stupid question. I know flu shot helps protect against a certain type of flu, but does getting the shot help your immunity in general?



Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by PhillyLady [5066.1351] on November 18, 2006 at 14:49:39:

In Reply to: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 18, 2006 at 14:15:27:

Hi Barb:

Here is some information I received on the flu shot. You'll have to click on the links inside the article for more info.



Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by lissa [2571.8] on November 18, 2006 at 15:30:47:

In Reply to: Re: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by J [114.1351] on November 18, 2006 at 14:40:50:

Not a stupid question. The answer is maybe.

One study indicated people who get flu shots have less time off work and respiratory illness than people who don't, in the months after receiving the shot.

But I don't know how thorough the study was, or if it's just a coincidence. I'm sure it's not conclusive.


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Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by Charles [854.1351] on November 18, 2006 at 15:32:19:

In Reply to: Re: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by J [114.1351] on November 18, 2006 at 14:40:50:

Well here is another stupid question, is a flu shot just a small shot of the flu that will make our body make antibodies that will repel it, like an inoculation for mumps, measles, rubella, and smallpox?



Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by lissa [2571.8] on November 18, 2006 at 15:38:42:

In Reply to: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 18, 2006 at 14:15:27:

Would you believe, it's IN THEIR HEADS? people who get placebo shots have had the same reaction.....

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Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 18, 2006 at 18:10:32:

In Reply to: Re: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by PhillyLady [5066.1351] on November 18, 2006 at 14:49:39:

Thanks Philly, excellent information.

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Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by lissa [2032.8] on November 18, 2006 at 18:46:55:

In Reply to: Re: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by PhillyLady [5066.1351] on November 18, 2006 at 14:49:39:

Hi Phillylady,

My bf's mom is in a nursing home. they've "diagnosed" her with leukemia and I don't really even think she has it. I think her drugs are causing her immune system to act the way it does, and they haven't "confirmed" it with further tests or anything, just basing it on her blood counts. But I don't think she should get a flu shot (if it could cause the flu)when she's already immuno-suppressed, and neither does he. So she hasn't gotten any and hasn't died from the flu. (or leukemia either, which hasn't been treated because they haven't given a GOOD reason to believe she has it really)

So thanks for the link from me too.


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My girlfriend is an MD... and she says...

Posted by Michele [6.829] on November 18, 2006 at 21:58:01:

In Reply to: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 18, 2006 at 14:15:27:

that the flu shot can make you ill. They even legally have to give warnings out that you will or may, get flu symptoms for a week or more.

In fact, she said that not only does it initially weaken your system (why HIV folks can't get it and such) but during that time you are even more apt to get the flu or a virus on top of the symptoms.

I got sick every time I took that shot. It was the pits. I haven't had the shot and have only had a minor virus here and there when everyone else was very ill.



Re: My girlfriend is an MD... and she says...

Posted by lissa [2571.8] on November 18, 2006 at 22:04:01:

In Reply to: My girlfriend is an MD... and she says... posted by Michele [6.829] on November 18, 2006 at 21:58:01:

That's what I think too. I think they like to lie about it though. saying it's safe and effective etc. And that's why I don't think my bf's mom should have one with her immune system already not working too well.



Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by lissa [2571.8] on November 18, 2006 at 22:10:47:

In Reply to: Re: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by Charles [854.1351] on November 18, 2006 at 15:32:19:

Here's what I don't get. How do they make a vaccine to fight what they think will be going around? how many strains of flu are there? And how many new strains come about each year?

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Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?the point

Posted by lissa [2571.8] on November 18, 2006 at 22:54:38:

In Reply to: Re: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by Charles [854.1351] on November 18, 2006 at 15:32:19:

The flu shots are (supposedly) effective against "this season's (anticipated) flu only" That's why they make them every year.

I think the whole thing is probably a crock because they don't know what's going to be going around, I don't know if the shots make you immune to anything at all. And if you don't catch it it might just be because you weren't exposed, and not because you got a shot. But I do think they use a flu in the vaccine (not sure though)

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Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by Vince F [4572.2919] on November 18, 2006 at 23:43:45:

In Reply to: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 18, 2006 at 14:15:27:

I think the shots are More dangerous for the people they Say should get them, the very young and old.

I don't see Any need for me to get them, since I can knock out any cold or flu symptoms fast.

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Re: Walt - is it a myth or true? MY OPINION. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on November 19, 2006 at 08:25:16:

In Reply to: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 18, 2006 at 14:15:27:

Thanks, Barb.

In my opinion (CYA) the allopathic monopoly participants are the last people who would dare to admit this connection--the very people who should be honest with their "victims" in this regard. They risk losing their VERY LUCRATIVE licenses to "practice" if they do.

Now, having said that, I have not had a flu shot in 30 years and will not have one. For the past 25 years, I have been in the prime group of the population that "must get the flu shot": age, chonic severe diabetes, heart disease, kidney failure, failing vision (diabetic retinoppathy), etc.

All I have done is maintain my immunity, to the best of my ability, and take esterified vitamin C to tolerance at the first sign of a viral infection coming on.

I have not had the flu or cold for those 30 years!

For the first 15 years of my practice, I faithfully recommended the flu shots to my patients--as I had been taught in medical school--and saw them get the flu as often as those who did not take them and often have the febrile reactions that were expected in many people after each "immunization". I kept recommending them, like a good little allopath, even so and believed what I was told all those years.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Walt - is it a myth or true? MY OPINION. Archive.

Posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 19, 2006 at 10:36:24:

In Reply to: Re: Walt - is it a myth or true? MY OPINION. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on November 19, 2006 at 08:25:16:

Thanks Walt!

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Re: My girlfriend is an MD... and she says...

Posted by Ron [2014.2966] on November 20, 2006 at 03:14:54:

In Reply to: Re: My girlfriend is an MD... and she says... posted by lissa [2571.8] on November 18, 2006 at 22:04:01:

Hi Lissa,

She might be better off getting a vaccination to prevent Pneumonia.. That one works by preventing any flu or bacteria from causing serious lung problems.
see link

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Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by Steve [3019.1399] on November 20, 2006 at 15:21:30:

In Reply to: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 18, 2006 at 14:15:27:

Barb,

I read that they give you a little dose of flu and then your body becomes immune to the flu. So some get sick.

Like Walt I refuse to take then because they contain other toxins. I prefer to work on my immune system, keeping it as strong as I can. Thus stopping flu and anything else in its tracks.

Silver Fox!

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Re: Walt - is it a myth or true?

Posted by Sally [7059.1192] on November 20, 2006 at 17:46:11:

In Reply to: Walt - is it a myth or true? posted by Barb (1) [5186.2765] on November 18, 2006 at 14:15:27:

Hi Barb, I was hoping someone like Labrat would give a real analysis of the flu shot. I have read they use particles of the virus in a protein ( used to be egg white) just enough for the body to recognize and create antibodies. But the particles do not constitute the real virus so they should not make you ill.
Barry Seares says that a corticosteroids will make your white blood cell count similar to an Aids patient.... as long as you're talking about immunity.

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