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Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 13, 2009 at 10:33:15:

interesting article about smallpox/AIDS/polio/SIDS


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about the 1918 flu

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 13, 2009 at 10:45:33:

In Reply to: vaccines-are they safe? posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 13, 2009 at 10:33:15:

“In 1853 England introduced compulsory vaccination. Before this time the highest death rate from smallpox was 2000 for any two year period. However 20 years later there were 23,062 deaths in England and Wales with smallpox spreading over Europe in all the countries where vaccination was practiced on a large scale. During the same epidemic in Germany 124,948 people died of smallpox. Of the 155 persons admitted to the Smallpox Hospital in the Parish of St. James, Piccadilly, 145 had been vaccinated.” Doctor Phillip Incao MD

1918 Spanish Flu

"Vaccination, Not a Virus, is Responsible for the Spanish Flu Epidemic of 1918." Doctor Robert O. Young

"20,000,000 died of that 1918 flu epidemic, worldwide, and it seemed to be almost universal or as far away as the vaccinations reached. Greece and a few other countries which did not accept the vaccines were the only ones which were not hit by the flu. Doesn't that prove something?" 1918 Pandemic was Man Made

"The army doctors in 1917 knew all these cases of disease and death were due to vaccination and were honest enough to admit it in their medical reports. When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid paratyphoid. But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease Spanish flu. After the war, this was one of the vaccines used to protect a panic-stricken world from the soldiers returning from WWI battlefronts infected with dangerous diseases." How the "Spanish Flu Pandemic" was created

"The best defense against influenza is vaccination." John D Rockefeller 1916

“In the early 1900’s, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses (achieving a vaccination rate of 95%); the death rate quadrupled as a result. Was this a test run for the 1918 epidemic?



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smallpox/bedbugs/vaccine history-fascinationg reading

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 13, 2009 at 10:58:51:

In Reply to: vaccines-are they safe? posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 13, 2009 at 10:33:15:

even some input from Rep.Ron Paul, MD, in this long article


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Re: vaccines-are they safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on October 13, 2009 at 11:30:52:

In Reply to: vaccines-are they safe? posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 13, 2009 at 10:33:15:

Many millions of lives are owed to vaccines.

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Re: vaccines-are they safe?

Posted by Charles [448.7922] on October 13, 2009 at 15:43:07:

In Reply to: vaccines-are they safe? posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 13, 2009 at 10:33:15:

Where are all the deaths in the following years, smallpox vaccinations were mandatory in the 50s and earlier?

That would seem to blow a BIG HOLE in your theory!!!!!!



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Re: vaccines-are they safe?

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 14, 2009 at 09:18:41:

In Reply to: Re: vaccines-are they safe? posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on October 13, 2009 at 11:30:52:

no, that's wrong. The med estab took credit for solutions to diseases that were winding down before the vaccines were even introduced. You really need to read some books about vaccines. You might start with The Virus and The Vaccine about the polio vaccine. It was written by one of Barney Frank's people.

Questioning premises is the mark that education taught you to think instead of memorize.

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smallpox

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 14, 2009 at 09:23:34:

In Reply to: Re: vaccines-are they safe? posted by Charles [448.7922] on October 13, 2009 at 15:43:07:

Smallpox
by Ian Sinclair.

In England, compulsory vaccination against smallpox was first introduced in 1852, yet in the period 1857 to 1859, a smallpox epidemic killed 14,244 people. In 1863 to 1865, a second epidemic claimed 20,059 lives. In 1867, a more stringent compulsory vaccination law was passed and those who evaded vaccination were prosecuted. After an intensive tour year effort to vaccinate the entire population between the ages of 2 - 50, the Chief Medical Officer of England announced in May 1871 that 97.5% had been vaccinated. In the following year, 1872, England experienced its worst ever smallpox epidemic which claimed 44,840 lives. Between 1871-1880, during the period of compulsory vaccination, the death rate from smallpox leapt from 28 to 46 per 100,000 population.

Writing in the British Medical Journal (21/1/1928 p116) Dr L Parry questions the vaccination statistics which revealed a higher death rate amongst the vaccinated than the unvaccinated and asks:

"How is it that smallpox is five times as likely to be fatal in the vaccinated as in the unvaccinated?

"How is it that in some of our best vaccinated towns - for example, Bombay and Calcutta - smallpox is rife, whilst in some of our worst vaccinated towns, such as Leicester, it is almost unknown?

"How is it that something like 80 per cent of the cases admitted Into the Metropolitan Asylums Board smallpox hospitals have been vaccinated, whilst only 20 per cent have not been vaccinated?

"How is it that in Germany, the best vaccinated country in the world, there are more deaths in proportion to the population than In England - for example, in 1919, 28 deaths in England, 707 In Germany; In 1920, 30 deaths In England, 354 In Germany In Germany In 1919 There were 5,012 cases of smallpox with 707 deaths; in England In 1925 There were 5,363 cases of smallpox with 6 deaths. What is the explanation?

In Scotland, between 1855-1875, over 9,000 children under 5 died of smallpox despite Scotland being, at that time, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world. In 1907- 1919 with only a third of the children vaccinated, only 7 smallpox deaths were recorded for children under 5 years of age.

In Germany, in the years 1870-1 871, over 1,000,000 people had smallpox of which 120,000 died. 96% of these had been vaccinated. An address sent to the governments of the various German states from Bismarck, the Chancellor of Germany, contained the following comments:

"... the hopes placed in the efficacy of the cowpox virus as preventative of smallpox have proved entirely deceptive".

In the Philippines, prior to US takeover in 1905, case mortality from smallpox was about 10%. In 1905, following the commencement of systematic vaccination enforced by the US Government, an epidemic occurred where the case mortality ranged from 25% to 50% in different parts of the islands. In 1918-1919 with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. Dr V de Jesus, Director of Health, stated that the 1918-1919 smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. The 1920 Report of the Philippines Health Service contains the following comments:

"From the time in which smallpox was practically eradicated In the city of Manila to the year 1918 (about 9 years) in which the epidemic appears certainly In one of its severest forms, hundreds after hundreds of thousands of people were yearly vaccinated with the most unfortunate result that the 1918 epidemic looks prima facie as a flagrant failure of the classic Immunization towards future epidemics".

In Japan, 1885, 13 years after compulsory vaccination commenced in 1872, a law was passed requiring re-vaccination every seven years. From 1886 to 1892, 25,474,370 revaccinations were recorded in Japan. Yet during this same period Japan had 156,175 cases of smallpox with 38,979 deaths representing a case mortality of nearly 25%. In 1896, Japanese Parliament passed another act requiring every Japanese resident to be vaccinated and re-vaccinated every 5 years. Between 1889 and 1908, there were 171,611 smallpox cases with 47,919 deaths, a case mortality of 30%. This case mortality exceeds the smallpox death-rate of the pre-vaccination period when nobody was vaccinated. It is noteworthy that Australia, one of the least vaccinated countries in the world for smallpox had only three smallpox cases. In 15 years, in comparison with Japan's record of 165,775 cases and 28,979 deaths in only 6 years of compulsory vaccination and re-vaccination.

In an article, Vaccination In Italy' which appeared In the New York Medical Journal, July 1899, Chas Rauta, Professor of Hygiene and Material Medical in the University of Perguia, Italy, points out:

"Italy is one of the best vaccinated countries in the world, if not the best of all, for twenty years before 1885, our nation was vaccinated in the proportion of 98.5%. Notwithstanding, the epidemics of smallpox that we have had have been something so frightful that nothing before the invention of vaccination could equal them. During 1887, we had 16,249 deaths from smallpox; in 1888- 18,110 and 1889, 131413".

Professor Rauta has stated:

"Vaccination is a monstrosity a misbegotten offspring of error and ignorance; it should have no place in either hygiene or medicine ....Believe not in vaccinaton, it is a world-wide delusion, an unscientific practice, a fatal superstition with consequences measured today by tears and sorrow without end'.

From his book, The Vaccination Superstition, Dr J W Hodge writes:

"After a careful consideration of the history of vaccination gleaned from an impartial and comprehensive study of vital statistics, and pertinent data from every reliable source, and after an experience derived from having vaccinated 31000 subjects, I am firmly convinced that vaccination cannot be shown to have any logical relation to the diminution of cases of smallpox....

"Vaccination does not protect, it actually renders its subjects more susceptible by depressing vital power and diminishing natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated'.

In the USA, June 25th, 1937, Dr William Howard Hay addressed the Medical Freedom Society on the Lemke Bill to abolish compulsory vaccination. He stated:

"l have thought many times of all the insane things we have advocated in medicine, that is one of the most insane - to insist on the vaccination of children, or anybody else, for the prevention of smallpox when, as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove that vaccination saved one man from smallpox....

"I know of one epidemic of smallpox comprising nine hundred and some cases, in which 95 per cent of the infected had been vaccinated, and most of them recently....

"it is now thirty years since I have been confining myself to the treatment of chronic disease ... I have run across so many histories of children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who... have never seen a well day since....

"In England, where statistics are kept a little more frankly and accurately and above board... than in this country the actual official records show 3 times as many deaths directly from vaccinations as from smallpox for the past twenty one years... I will guarantee you that there are 3 times as many deaths that were not recorded, that are directly traceable to vaccinations. That doesn't take into account the many many cases of encephalitis or sleeping sickness, and of this or that form of degeneration, that occurs as the result of vaccination....

"it is nonsense to think that you can Inject pus - and it is usually from the pustule end of the dead smallpox victim... it is unthinkable that you can inject that into a little child and in any way improve its health. What is true of vaccination is exactly as true of all forms of serum immunization, so called...if we could by any means build up a natural resistance to disease through these artificial means, I would applaud it to the echo, but we can't do it....

"The body has its own methods of defence. These depend on the vitality of the body at the time. If it is vital enough, it will resist all infections; if it Isn't vital enough, it won't, and you can't change the vitality of the body for the better by introducing poison of any kind into it".

According to the official figures of the Register General of England only 109 children (under 5) in England and Wales died of smallpox in the twenty-three years ending December 1933, but 270 died of vaccinations in the same period in these two countries. Between 1934 and 1961, not one smallpox death was recorded and yet during this same period 115 children under 5 years of age died as a result of the smallpox vaccination. This ultimately forced the government to repeal the Vaccination Act for smallpox.

The situation was just as bad in the USA. An article in the July 1969 issue of Prevention Magazine stated that 300 children in the USA died from the complications of smallpox vaccine since 1948. Yet during that same period there was not one reported case of smallpox in the country. In October 1971, Dr Samuel Katz, Duke University Medical Centre, speaking at the annual meeting of the American Academy of Pediatrics said that an average of six to nine Individuals die each year from smallpox vaccinations. Authorities eventually abandoned the vaccine as Dr Archie Kalokerinos points out:

"About 10 - 15 years ago some of my colleagues in the United States gave me some very interesting information. They said that smallpox vaccination had been stopped, not because smallpox had been wiped out, but because they were having trouble with the vaccine. They would vaccinate an individual and that individual would give active smallpox to a contact. The whole thing was out of control and they weren't game to use it'.

This is probably why Professor Ari Zuckerman, a member of the World Health organisation's advisory panel on viruses has stated, "Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous that the disease itself'. Even the British Medical Journal (1/5/1976) states:

"It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection In Britain"'.

On May 11th 1987, the London Times ran a front-page story, headlines, "SMALLPOX VACCINE TRIGGERED AIDS VIRUS". The gist of the story was that, somehow, the World Health Organisation (WHO) in its efforts to eradicate smallpox in the third world, had triggered millions of AIDS cases in Africa, Haiti, and Brazil. A WHO adviser said:

"I thought it was lust a coincidence until we studied the latest findings about the reactions which can be caused by Vaccination. Now I believe the smallpox vaccine theory is the explanation to The AIDS explosion".

Health statistics from WHO reveal that the greatest spread of HIV (AIDS virus) Infection coincides with the areas having the most intensive vaccination programs. It has been speculated that smallpox vaccine given to millions throughout Africa, Haiti and Brazil has the potential to weaken the immune system of susceptible individuals. This can result in the dormant AIDS viruses present In such people to become activated and assume virulent powers. Dr Robert Gallo, America's number one AIDS researcher has stated:

"I have been saying for some years that the use of live vaccines such as that used from smallpox can activate a dormant infection such as HIV (AIDS)."

WHY VACCINATION CONTINUES

"The propaganda in favour of Immunization has won the minds of the masses and has Influenced medical thinking, and government and international measures, relating to disease control. This has been at the expense of methods which might have raised the real level of well-being of the people at risk. This begins to impinge upon the realms of politics and economics, for the gains are great In this area, and the truth is not always palatable. The removal of the idea of protection, via immunization, and the implementation of expensive measures to improve nutrition in countries which can hardly make ends meet, would not be welcome themes for politicians, even if they could be made to listen to the facts.------Leon Chaitow

"That vaccination continues to this day is not because of its 'assumed' benefits, but (1) because it yields millions of dollars profit to the Drug Industry, (2) because it is one of the foundation stones of Medical Science upon which they have undeservedly built their power and prestige, and for that reason, must remain In place, and (3) because the majority of the public, brainwashed by medical propaganda, and unwilling to think for themselves, blindly accept it."—Ian Sinclair

"If humanity Is to pass safely through its present crisis on earth, ft will be because a majority of individuals are now doing their own thinking". Buckminster Fuller

Reproduced with permission from Vaccination The "Hidden" Facts by Ian Sinclair, 5 Ivy St, Ryde NSW 2112, Australia. Ph (015) 294 817.

Smallpox vaccine http://pages.prodigy.com/gval/small.htm



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cycles

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 14, 2009 at 09:42:37:

In Reply to: Re: vaccines-are they safe? posted by Charles [448.7922] on October 13, 2009 at 15:43:07:

disease occurs in cycles-one of the reasons we don't expect a flu pandemic every year-why did it occur in 1918-1919 but not in 1920 or 1925?
When you read up on vaccines, you find the incidence of many diseases was dwindling before the vaccines were introduced, but the vaccine makers took credit.

Why do diseases die out? Improved santitation, improved medical treatment (like washing the sheets before putting the next patient in a bed someone died in in the hospital and doctors washing their hands). Improved nutrition. Death of the weakest and most vulnerable in previous years, so there are fewer people left likely to catch whatever disease.

Why do we keep having 65,000 deaths from flu each year? Have you seen any articles that say, "on, those deaths were in the unvaccinated population?"
Me, neither.


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Re: vaccines-are they safe?

Posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on October 14, 2009 at 10:29:36:

In Reply to: Re: vaccines-are they safe? posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 14, 2009 at 09:18:41:

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Re: smallpox

Posted by Charles [448.7922] on October 14, 2009 at 12:01:21:

In Reply to: smallpox posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 14, 2009 at 09:23:34:

You think they still use the same vaccine?

You think as many people die now from being operated on as they did then?

I don't think so.

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Re: smallpox -- Archive in immunization. A big "con"?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on October 14, 2009 at 12:03:15:

In Reply to: smallpox posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 14, 2009 at 09:23:34:

Thanks, Samm.

It needed to be said!

Walt

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Re: smallpox

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 14, 2009 at 15:28:10:

In Reply to: Re: smallpox posted by Charles [448.7922] on October 14, 2009 at 12:01:21:

being over 50, you'll be avoiding the smallpox vaccine anyway, should it be recommended again. You shouldlook at your state health board web site for the various people who should NOT take the smallpox vaccine. Has it been improved lately? There's a question!

As for people dying of operations. We know that doctors have learned to wash their hands. We know that sheets are changed between patients. We know the doctors are no longer killing moms by delivering their babies without washing up first. So, we have some improvements. We also have 195,000 , at least, medical error deaths a year.

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speechless?

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 14, 2009 at 15:31:00:

In Reply to: Re: vaccines-are they safe? posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on October 14, 2009 at 10:29:36:

your response was blank

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Re: speechless?

Posted by ukchris [1490.7642] on October 14, 2009 at 16:33:40:

In Reply to: speechless? posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 14, 2009 at 15:31:00:

It's hard for me to believe that anyone doesn't think vaccines are a legitimate defence against disease. You've told me to read books, but there's no need. The evidence is written in the history of human civilisation.

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Re: speechless?

Posted by ukchris [1490.7642] on October 14, 2009 at 16:56:08:

In Reply to: Re: speechless? posted by ukchris [1490.7642] on October 14, 2009 at 16:33:40:

E.G.

"Benjamin Franklin's changed his mind and later supported variolation after his unvaccinated 4-year-old son died of smallpox. He wrote in his autobiography that he "regretted bitterly" not vaccinating his child against smallpox."

"the 7-year-old daughter of the Roald Dahl, the author of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, died from a measles infection in 1962, the year before a measles vaccine became available. He went on to become a strong supporter of vaccines, saying "In my opinion parents who now refuse to have their children immunized are putting the lives of those children at risk. In America, where measles immunization is compulsory, measles like smallpox, has been virtually wiped out. Here in Britain, because so many parents refuse, either out of obstinacy or ignorance or fear, to allow their children to be immunized, we still have a hundred thousand cases of measles every year." "

"Franklin D. Roosevelt, president of the United States from 1933 to 1945, likely contracted polio in 1921 and was paralyzed from the waist down. The first polio vaccine didn't become available until 1955."

"Abraham Lincoln's 3-year-old son died of diphtheria in 1850 and the daughter of President Grover Cleveland died of diphtheria in 1904 (which is supposedly why we have the Baby Ruth candy bar). The diphtheria vaccine became available in 1923 and began to be widely used in the 1930s."

"the last person to naturally contract smallpox was a healthcare worker who was too frightened to get the smallpox vaccine. He fortunately survived and became an advocate for vaccinating other people."



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Re: vaccines-are they safe?

Posted by ukchris [1490.7642] on October 14, 2009 at 17:01:48:

In Reply to: Re: vaccines-are they safe? posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 14, 2009 at 09:18:41:

"Questioning premises is the mark that education taught you to think instead of memorize."

I do fundamentally agree with this, but it's no good having such an open mind that your brain falls out. Also, isn't this a strange thing to say for someone who I'm guessing was probably indoctrinated with a religious belief? Just sayin'.

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Re: speechless?

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 17, 2009 at 09:02:20:

In Reply to: Re: speechless? posted by ukchris [1490.7642] on October 14, 2009 at 16:33:40:

the 'history' has been misstated. The actual statistics are in books that explain the true history of vaccines and disease.

Deaths are often due to poor treatment. George Washington died because it didn't occur to the doctors who were bleeding him that there was a limited amount of blood in the human body. Past medical treatments, such as lobotomy, unlimited bleeding, lack of sanitation in hospitals and among doctors, before Lister said, "hey, let's try washing our hands and changing the sheets"-so much that's grimly laughable today.

I remember news shows in the 60's, when yogurt was becoming popular, would feature doctors putting down the product- "it's a waste of money" , "Ithas no health benefits", "It's just an expensive glass of milk"

When my eldest had his first course of antibiotics (from hospital -acquired strep throat), he kept getting sick after that. The mommy network told me to feed him acidophilus. Several YEARS later, a pharmacist offered the same advice. The kids' doctor still hasn't suggested it. Medicine is slow to acknowledge their mistakes or to innovate.
Too many doctors still don't know much about nutrition or food intolerances-they add meds instead of taking away the source of the problems.




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Re: speechless?

Posted by Ponderer [4789.7957] on October 30, 2009 at 23:40:56:

In Reply to: Re: speechless? posted by ukchris [1490.7642] on October 14, 2009 at 16:56:08:

Every single person cited there is a PLAYER!!

Learn about the Illuminati. It will open your eyes.

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