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Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by
Fatima on May 12, 2002 at 11:28:40:

Dear Dr.,

I am a 30 years old female suffering from chronic bad
breath(Halitosis) since 1991( with knowledge that I went
through this problem before a year or more of that year &
I got rid of it with going under specific medication, as I
remember might the reason was probably returned to presence
of worm in my stomach & anerobic bacteria in my throat)

I've been seen so many different specialist here( in fact
I've gone to all the doctors here in kuwait) as dentists,
ENT, Gatro physician,.... but no one could help me!
During the past 11 years I went through all possible check
up & tests for different part of my body especially ENT &
digestive system & in fact when the doctors were finding
something abnormal although it might didn't have a direct
connection with my problem, they were putting me on so
many medication & oral fresh products & after treatment
when I were telling them that I still have bad breath &
didn't get rid of it at all ( although sometimes just for
short period of time during using some oral medication
for my troat I were feeling that my bad breath just became
less little bit!) they were telling me that we are sorry
but we can not find any physical disorder or disease with
you that cause this problem for you after they were costed
me a lot already !!

I am thinking that might the doctors here are unable to
diagnoses this problem as well & the way of its remedy
because. when I tell a doctor here that I am not just
suffering from bad breath but also from dry mouth &
having bitter taste as a metalic taste all the time which
is bothering me a lot which I think it is a real reason
for my bad breath, they found it strange as they don't
know what is dry mouth as this condition is not even exist
in medical history!! but I have it & I not imagine this.
The problem with the the doctors here is that they don't
look at this problem as a serious matter which is need
some real more care & help from their side.

No matter how well I brush my teeth, use tongue scraper,
Mint gum(I should have it all the time to reduce the smell
of my mouth), floss, still after a very short of time( 5-10
minute) of cleaning my teeth or my mouth, I still have bad
breath!! No matter how plenty water I drink during a day,
avoiding eat some trigger foods for Halitosis as Suger,
garlic, onion, diary products, coffee,....but still I
have this strong bad smell!! I've tried all possible
solutions so far but unfortunately nothing still has
solved my problem!! & I don't know if one day I could find
a miracle to make a end to this horrible disorder which I
think it is the worst disease in the world even more than
a cancer or.... because. of this problem my life has been
a living hell!


After doing some research on Internet about Halitosis I've
found that all the possible reasons for Halitosis or bad
breath could be summerized here on this disorders :

- Poor dental hygiene ( no, I checked & it is good)
- Gum disease (no,same as above)
- Tooth decay (no)
- Heavy metal builup ( I don't know what it is exactly & I asked
the doctors here & they didn't tell me about it!)
- Infection of Respiratory tract( throat, lungs, nose, windpipe) (no)
- Chronic broncitis (no)
- foreign bacteria in the mouth (yes, I have this problem the
most of time (It was shown in my throat swab) but what is amazing
that everytime I got this problem & take proper medicine for it,
mostly Anibiotics or Antiinfections( when I took the treatment
I just feel my bad breath becomes less a littel bit just during
taking them but after I finished them after a while my bad breath
get back to me as strongly as before) & again after period of time
I get this problem again, I mean presence of foreign bacteria in my mouth!!

- Dry mouth( dehydration in the mouth & reduction in the mouth
saliva) [ I can say that I am suffering from this problem all the
time in the day & it is really a big problem for me as the bad breath
is, it made me feel uncomfortable all the time as I feel that there
is something in my throat, I even have difficulty in swalling the
water of my mouth that it is accumulating in my mouth as soapy water
especially after brushing my teeth & if I gargel my mouth with alcohol
free which it bothering me a lot.
By considering the possible reasons for having dry mouth as I got
it from the Internet , I can say that no one of them include me
as - using some certain medications,
using Alcohol, Continued speaking, less of drinking water or dieting
& eating some improper foods, Exercise, smoking !
so what could be the reason of having disorder & what is the real
proper treatment for prventing it !!
It is really very difficult that you have a dry mouth all the time.
- postnasal drip (no)
- Sinusitis (no)
- Diabetes (no, I checked my blood suger recently & it was in range)
- improper diet or fasting (no)
- constipation or diarrhea ( I just complain the most of time from
Diarreah although I don't think this is the real reason of my problem,
because when I take the proper treatment for it & I get better, I still have this bad breath)
- Indigestion ( yes, sometimes as I could realize that from my
stool & its color[ sometimes brown, green & black] as I could see
some food as beans, lentil in it as it is)
- inadequate protein digestion ( I don't know about that & what
kind of tests I need to follow it to know if I have it or not, I
asked about this from some doctors, but they just ignored it & didn't help me with this)
- Too much bacteria in Colon ( before)
- Buildup of toxins or bacteria in gastrointestinal tract( I had
this before as I had a pyloric bacteria in my stomach before 3 years
ago but after I recovered from it completely I were still having
bad breath as before as this means the reason wasn't from it as
the doctors told me as I felt that too)
- Metaboic waste resulting from breakdown of stored fat & protein
for fuel which give unpleasent odor as they are exhaled from lungs.
( I don't think this might be the reason as I don't eat too much
fatty foods & I'm avoiding to eat so much protein foods )
- Liver & kidney malfunction (no)
- Salivery gland disorders ( I don't know if I check about that
before , but when I discussed this matter with my doctor, he said
no, it could not be the reason!)
- smoking (no)
- Alcohol abuse (no)
- Stress ( I think any one who is in my situation, must be live
on her nerve all the time & be on stress, but anyway , I have checked
about this too with myself & tried to forget my problem & don't
be on stress but it wasn't helpful.

In my thinking the real reason of my bad breath refers to
presence of a white coating or rather a whitish layer on
my tongue especially in the back of it which I believe the
real problem could be found in the back of my tongue as if
I put my finger or anything else in the end of my tongue
, It is containing the same strong offensive odor that I
could smell it from my mouth!I think it might be probably
because of the presence of anaerobic bacteria(VLC'S)there &
on my tongue which I am sure there is but the question is
why I could not get rid of this bacteria no matter what
I use from all certain products for that as I used many
of them so far either I got it from doctors here or even
order it from some familar centers that are specialist in
remedy of Halitosis & plus having dry mouth all the time &
why me? why must just me & some specific people have this
bacteria in their throat all the time!!!

*** I would like to knowledge you that I did a CBC &
Candida test( I did this test from myself because It
might has a connection with my bad breath !) recently
which I could fax it to you if it was necessary , any
way the results could be summarized as below: In CBC : -
SUSPECTED ABNORMAL POPULATIONS :

WBC Diff Alert

- USER- DEFINED ABNORMALITIES
Neutrophilia
As MANUAL DIFFERENTIAL WAS AS BELOW :
NEU = 72%
LYMPH = 23%
MONO = 4%
EOSIN =1%

My Candida test result:
- Candida IgG 3.4 H should be less than 1.0
- Candida IgA 1.8 H
- Candida IgM

The Lab. doctor has told me that I have candida but not
that much that I need to take treatment for it as I just
could eliminate the amount of it but eating some good
food for that purpose as Garlic, green apple, yoghurt &
there is no relation between candida & having bad breath.
Anyway I just took Mega Acidophilus(90 tablets, one
capsule each day) as I am knowing that it is helpful in
reducing Candida amount & to see if I could get better
with my bad breath, but I didn't.


I am feeling so depressed & hopeless & scarding from this
thought that I might must live with this terrible problem
for the rest of my life especially after I have been to
many Health site of Halitosis & had read the enclosed
information , articles, & true stories about the people
who is suffering of this disaster for the long time of
their life without finding a real remedy for it, So is
it my destiny to just be one of them & live with that
suffering & grief for the rest of my life!!!( in fact I
prefer to die to just live like that)or I might could find
a miracle solution with a ingenious doctor!!

I really would be appreciated if you could help me with
any solution or suggestion with knowledge that I am unable
to go outside of Kuwait for getting any possible help for
my problem because of my family situation as they don't
know anything about that.

I wish I could find with you a new hope for living without
this nightmare.

Thank you so much for taking time to read my very long
e-mail, I anxiety look forward to get your response as
soon as possible.

Sincerely,

Fatima




Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by u on May 12, 2002 at 12:22:22:

In Reply to: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Fatima on May 12, 2002 at 11:28:40:

I hope they can give some usefull information on this because I too suffer from this. I tried everything and still same thing. I tried the scrapping and flossing and constantly brushing and I dont use sugar any more. Good luck I hope you find the info you need. I think if you look in the archives you might find something I am going to do more research on the archives as well. Im looking forward to the response to you.



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by B.B. on May 12, 2002 at 12:35:48:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by u on May 12, 2002 at 12:22:22:

Fatima,

Here's a link to the archives of this BB while you're waiting for a reply by Dr Stoll.

Hope this helps.

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=8942677&pageid=r&mode=ALL&query=Halitosis&mode=Match+ANY



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by R. on May 12, 2002 at 16:15:46:

In Reply to: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Fatima on May 12, 2002 at 11:28:40:

Is your tongue coated?



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by Raisa on May 12, 2002 at 17:20:21:

In Reply to: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Fatima on May 12, 2002 at 11:28:40:

Hi, Fatima - Since you said that the back of your tongue has a coating with a foul odor, is it possible that that is coming from your tonsils and does not affect your breath odor? Has anyone actually told you that your breath smells bad? Sometimes people think thay have bad breath when, if fact, they really don't. Raisa



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 13, 2002 at 08:53:02:

In Reply to: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Fatima on May 12, 2002 at 11:28:40:

Hi, Fatima.

No wonder you have not resolved your halitosis. You have missed the most common cause of it's persistance: LGS.

When you have LGS, nearly all of your halitosis comes from the lungs doing their best to eliminate toxins via your blood stream that the GI tract/liver is not coping with.

What have you learned from the halitosis archives?

Your entire history is related to unresolved LGS.

Walt



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by
Fatima on May 14, 2002 at 13:42:50:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Raisa on May 12, 2002 at 17:20:21:

Dear Mrs. Raisa,

I had removed my tonsils from long time ago because the doctor said that the present infection on it is the reason of my bad breath!

Regarding to if the others smell my bad breath or me?
in fact we both do, I can smell my offensive breath odor which I am sure it is related to a problem to my throat( as if I put my finger in the end of my tongue or rather to be said in the back of my tongue I can smell the same strong bad smell, I don't know what it might be!! it may be due to a problem in my pharynx or gland or...! I just wish I were a doctor to at least could know what is wrong with me exactly & why I can not live as a normal person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am wondering how is the possibility to it related to a problem to my nose & its secretion or my gland although I didn't take any help from all the doctors who I had been seen here about that!

Thank you for your cooperation,

Sincerely,

Fatima



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by
Fatima on May 14, 2002 at 13:49:28:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by R. on May 12, 2002 at 16:15:46:

Yes, with a whitish coating which I have it all the time no matter how many times I use tongue scaper!!

Thank you,



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by Raisa on May 14, 2002 at 15:27:12:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Fatima on May 14, 2002 at 13:42:50:

Hi, Fatima -
Sometimes tonsils grow back - you could have that checked out. Also, are you sure that you don't have a post-nasal drip? I know you listed that and sinusitis as the things it can't be, but sometimes a post-nasal drip is there without the person's realizing it. This certainly is a mystery! Raisa

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Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by
Fatima on May 14, 2002 at 18:14:51:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! (Archive in LGS.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 13, 2002 at 08:53:02:

Dear Mr. Walt,

I thought that my bad breath might be due to a problem with my Lung, but none of the doctors who I have been met until now mentioned me that I have a problem with LGS or my long!

I am wondering if I could send u or any available suggested Halitisis clinic or center to send the recent x-ray of my nose ,my lungs & a copy of all my Lab. test to see if it is possible to find any physical disorder with me!!

So far I didn't find the real reason & helpful solution for my Bad breath & dry mouth which I think it is the real reason of my bad breath from what did I read from Halitosis archives!!

Thank you for your cooperation.



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by R. on May 14, 2002 at 22:54:52:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Fatima on May 14, 2002 at 13:49:28:

I strongly believe this coating (and smell comes from it) is an indicator of either LGS or liver/gallbladder problems or both. I know you said that you don't have problems with your liver/gallbladder, but how did you determine that? By liver enzyme tests performed by your doctors? That is not enough as these tests are not sensitive enough.

I've had the same problems you do; although, to a significantly smaller degree (I hope). I was able to get rid of my tongue coating (along with bad breath) for about a week or so. Then it came back. I am trying to determine what effected it. I thought it was lemon juice in warm water upon rising. I also thought it was possibly caused by taking magnesium to improve bowel function, and it did improve. I was also taking L-glutamine and selenium regularly. There have been multifactor changes in my routine, and I don't know what was key factor. I am still working on finding that out. But the bottom line is that I am sure the coating is connected to digestive system (the whole system). Look in this direction. Unless you have a very serious problem, your regular doctors probably will not find the cause.



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 15, 2002 at 08:17:22:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Fatima on May 14, 2002 at 13:42:50:

Fatima,

Did you read my response to your note a few days ago?

Walt



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 15, 2002 at 08:58:38:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! (Archive in LGS.) posted by Fatima on May 14, 2002 at 18:14:51:

Hi, Fatima.

If you find any other cause than your lung working overtime to excrete stuff in your blood from colonic LGS, I will be totally amazed.

Walt

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Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by Sally on May 15, 2002 at 10:56:00:

In Reply to: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Fatima on May 12, 2002 at 11:28:40:

Fatima, I had read an article quite awhile ago and it gave the two bacteria that cause the odor, one of which was klebsiella. I'm sorry I can't find the article now, but someone said that tanal root will attack this bacteria. I don't know anything more, sorry no details but perhaps you could research this. If I find the article, I will post the information on this thread later.

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Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by
Fatima on May 15, 2002 at 17:32:19:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Walt Stoll on May 15, 2002 at 08:17:22:

Dear Mr. Walt,

Yes I did & I reply to you too!

Thank you for your attention.

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Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by
Fatima on May 15, 2002 at 17:54:56:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by R. on May 14, 2002 at 22:54:52:


So what kind of test I need to do to know if I have problem with liver/gallbladder?
The problem with doctors here is that they don't aware of Halitosis & dry mouth that I think somehow it related to whitish coating on my tongue which contain the same offensive smell that came from my mouth & it might be the real reason of my problem, I think if I get ride of my dry mouth & that coating, I might get ride of my bad smell too.

I think the mystry with my bad smell might refer to a problem in my throat such as presence of so much harmful bacteria in the back or end of my tongue & in my throat in general!!

Thank you for your attention.

Fatima



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by R. on May 15, 2002 at 20:09:38:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by Fatima on May 15, 2002 at 17:54:56:

I can't tell you exactly where to go for a liver/gallbladder test. I haven't done it myself. And I probably don't need it. The coated tongue is a test by itself. Either liver/gallbladder are not functioning optimally or you have LGS or both. Perhaps, you should visit an Oriental medicine doctor, one that uses Chinese medicine. I wouldn't bother going to traditional Western medicine doctors as I don't think they've evolved to curing chronic health problems.

To start, though, you could try what's described in



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by
James D on May 16, 2002 at 01:10:56:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by B.B. on May 12, 2002 at 12:35:48:

I too had chronic dry mouth. I then decided that I would conciously up my saliva production just like that. I would keep a bit of saliva in my mouth swishing it around abit the more you do usually the more your mouth will water.If you need help think of eating things that make your mouth water, I use pickles or sour lemon drops, swallow the over produced saliva once in awhile before speaking or just whenever you feel the need. Start over never letting it get to the point of total dryness and open your mouth slightly also when you get the hang of it. After a bit of habit forming and practive you can stop and do it only perodically still recongnizing dryness before it happens. A good Gum may help saliva production as a crutch. Now you need to learn how not to spit on people instead of breathing on them. hahahah

Lighten up! Oh ya breath through the nose mostly and try it also while ya sleep if you drool on the pillow you know its working.I hope this helps, this is a simple fix that I had to share in the hope of helping someone fight bad breath and cavities.

P.S. I believe stress,anxiety,depression,drug use,fight or flight,bracing,muscle tension,lgs,muscle knots, out of rythm breathing/breath holding the list goes on.. could be possible bad breath/dry mouth ROOT causes. Fight to get to the root with good information and you own wits.

"Form good habits and make them your master"

Spell check not



Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by
Fatima on May 16, 2002 at 06:55:39:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by R. on May 15, 2002 at 20:09:38:

Dear Sir,

Thank you for forwarding me with that site regarding to benefits of lemon juice & Extra virgin olive oil, I don't know it would be helpful in my situation or it might make it worst!! because in some related sites of Halitosis it is mentioning that the foods which contain citric acids like some juices( Lemon, Orange, Grape fruit) tomato will trigger this problem more & they are not good for bad breath!!!
& in some other sites I read the opposit idea that they are good, so I am amazing about what it might be the correct!!

Thank you for your attention,

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Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!!

Posted by
Fatima on May 16, 2002 at 07:20:00:

In Reply to: Re: Halitosis( can I find a real cure for it & for ever)!!! posted by James D on May 16, 2002 at 01:10:56:

Thank you for your advices, I am really grateful for your attention.

In fact I did all of what did u mention in your massage but unfortunately I didn't get any result so far & I really don't know why I can not find a answer for my problem.

I believe that my bad breath is due to having dry mouth all the time of day no matter how plenty water, juices I drink & avoid the trigger foods for bad breath or use saliva production Gum, still I have bad breath & my mouth is dry all the time & this is amazing me especially that no doctor has could to know what is wrong with me!!!
My problem is really a mystry! :(

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