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Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together?

Posted by Jane on May 13, 2002 at 15:32:33:

I've been working on my Candida/LGS issue for the past 2 months through a series of anti-fungals, an anti-parasite concentrate, and colon cleansing and am ready to begin re-building my intestinal system. I've purchased both FloraSource and Intestive. Does anyone know if it's okay to take these products at the same time??



Re: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together?

Posted by one question on May 13, 2002 at 15:36:22:

In Reply to: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together? posted by Jane on May 13, 2002 at 15:32:33:

Are you sure your candida is taken care of? It usually takes up to 6 months to make sure...I'm asking because
FloraSource is not good to take while you have candida.
Just wondering..



Re: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together?

Posted by Jane on May 13, 2002 at 16:17:27:

In Reply to: Re: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together? posted by one question on May 13, 2002 at 15:36:22:

I am curious why you say that FloraSource not a good thing to take if you might still be dealing with Candida? I have read in several places on this board that a good probiotic (such as FloraSource) is suggested while dealing with LGS and/or Candida?




Re: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together?

Posted by question on May 13, 2002 at 16:54:38:

In Reply to: Re: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together? posted by Jane on May 13, 2002 at 16:17:27:

As far as I know, the only probiotic to take while you have Candida is Primal Defence. The Flora Source is a food source for Candida....Now I could be wrong, but I waited until I knew my candida was gone before starting FS.
Helping You is the best authority on this one.

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Re: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together?

Posted by Michael on May 14, 2002 at 04:23:07:

In Reply to: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together? posted by Jane on May 13, 2002 at 15:32:33:

Hy has said this before. Make sure Candida is taken care of before starting any kind of probiotic as it feeds the candida. But, how do you know when candida is gone and it is safe to take the probiotics?



Re: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together? (To Hy)

Posted by Jane on May 14, 2002 at 09:51:46:

In Reply to: Re: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together? posted by Michael on May 14, 2002 at 04:23:07:

Hy-

Could we get your opinion on these posts? Is it safe to take a probiotic if there's a possibility that there might still be a Candida problem? What about Intestive??

Thank you!

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Probiotics and candida

Posted by Helping You on May 14, 2002 at 10:21:37:

In Reply to: Can FloraSource and Intestive be taken together? posted by Jane on May 13, 2002 at 15:32:33:

Hi Everyone,

The whole probiotic/candida timing issue is not an exact science. However, certain theories seem to be playing out in the clinical setting and I personally have been having fantastic results doing things this way (explaination below). Other collegues and friends of mine that are using this model are also having consistantly reliable results so you might want to take this into consideration. The below summary is brief and to the point.

As far as taking probiotics while having candida, here is the general concencsous -- Probiotics can become food for candida and other opportunistic bacteria ONLY when the bad outnumber the good and the intestinal environment is not condusive to benefical bacteria. Even if the probiotics did not become food for these bacteria, the tough internal terrain, as a result of LGS, would surely be too harsh for most benefical bacteria to survive making probiotic supplementation at this time, pre-mature. However, there is a small group of researchers and doctors that have discovered a type of "probiotic" that appears to be stronger and more aggressive than traditional probiotics. They are dubbed "soil organisms". Much information about them is available on the internet so I suggest that anyone wishing to learn more about them do a search on google.com. These organisms are not RESIDENT but are TRANSIENT meaning that they only stay in the GI tract for a short time. They do their work and then they pass through with bowel movements. We consumed these organisms daily on fresh organic fruits/vegetables when our soils were more pristine. However, with todays' farming methods, these organisms are all but wiped out and therefore need to be grown on a special whole-foods substrate like in Primal Defense. The great thing about these soil organisms, is that they cannot be eaten by opportunistic bacteria no matter how much they are outnumbered. They start to literally EAT the coating from these bugs making them suseptible to the immune system for erradication. Soil organsims take over the receptor sites of bad bugs leaving them nowhere to go. Think of it like this. Bad bugs are occupying 85% of the seats on a train. These soil organisms come aboard, and literaly toss them out of their seats. With nowhere to go, they simply leave the train. This is what happens when taking soil organisms.

So, my basic candida elimination protocol, involves taking soil-organisms alone for 3 months while following a candida diet and practicing SR. At the end of 3 months, if the protocol was adhered to, 90% of the dysbiosis would have been eliminated in MOST cases. At this point, it would be pretty safe to assume that taking a probiotic at this time would not result in problems. Not only does the SBO's take out the yeast, they change the intestinal environment so that only benefical flora want to live there. So, taking a probiotic at that time results in an increase of good bacteria and the remaining bad bugs are driven out. I have seen this work in literally everyone who has done it correctly. The therapuetic dose seems to be anywhere from 12-18 caps per day for 3 to 3 1/2 months. I have seen CDSA's with 3 or more species of candida at 4+ get reduced to only 1 species of candida at 1+ in only 3.5 months.

Anti-fungals have their place, but overall, I believe that the PD approach is the most consistantly reliable.

So, to actually answer the original question, I would have to say, I really don't know. I am not familiar with intensive and don't know how the organisms will react to them. In general, anything that purges the bowel would not be wise to take with probiotics or SBO's. Further, how does one know when the candida is gone? Well, there are 2 ways: 1)Symptoms dissapear, 2)Testing shows no dysbiosis. Personally, I like to have testing done in order to know for sure. If you can't, it's best to keep treating for an extra couple of months just to make sure. That would involve 3-5 months of PD, SR, and Diet followed up by a potent probiotic such as Flora Source.

I hope this helps

-HY



Re: Probiotics and candida (To Hy)

Posted by Jane on May 14, 2002 at 18:48:48:

In Reply to: Probiotics and candida posted by Helping You on May 14, 2002 at 10:21:37:

In response to your comment:

"So, to actually answer the original question, I would have to say, I really don't know. I am not familiar with intensive and don't know how the organisms will react to them."

This is what is listed on the Intestive label:

"Incoporating Seacure, an easy-to-absorb protein concentrate of nearly 100% assimilable nutrients naturally derived from white fish. Intestive supplies the body with protein elements and omega-3 fatty acids necessary for proper hormonal, immune and neurological functions. The proteins provided by Intestive are in their simplest forms - bioactive peptides (60%) and amino acids (40%) -and therefore are readily absorbed."

Does this sound safe to consume if there is still a possible Candida problem?

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Re: Probiotics and candida (To Hy)

Posted by Jane on May 14, 2002 at 19:14:18:

In Reply to: Probiotics and candida posted by Helping You on May 14, 2002 at 10:21:37:

In response to your comment:

"So, to actually answer the original question, I would have to say, I really don't know. I am not familiar with intensive and don't know how the organisms will react to them."

This is what is listed on the Intestive label:

"Incoporating Seacure, an easy-to-absorb protein concentrate of nearly 100% assimilable nutrients naturally derived from white fish. Intestive supplies the body with protein elements and omega-3 fatty acids necessary for proper hormonal, immune and neurological functions. The proteins provided by Intestive are in their simplest forms - bioactive peptides (60%) and amino acids (40%) -and therefore are readily absorbed."

Does this sound safe to consume if there is still a possible Candida problem?



Re: Probiotics and candida (Archive in candida.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 15, 2002 at 07:31:08:

In Reply to: Probiotics and candida posted by Helping You on May 14, 2002 at 10:21:37:

Thanks, HY!

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Probiotics and candida (To Hy)

Posted by Helping You on May 17, 2002 at 13:32:37:

In Reply to: Re: Probiotics and candida (To Hy) posted by Jane on May 14, 2002 at 19:14:18:

Heck-yeah!! This type of peptide product is benefical for anybody that does not digest protein very well. It will be fine with PD

-HY

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