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Posted by Stephen Phillips on September 20, 1998 at 09:12:32:

I've been unwell for the past three years after a bout of ebstein-barr virus.
I have spent the last two years researching cfs ,post-viral syndrome and whatever other names they have have come up with to describe this chronic condition.
The thing I'm yet to really find details on is the specific means by which a latent virus might increase intestinal permeability.I've been assured by people/publications that a viral infection can cause leaky gut syndrome but I haven't read much about HOW this occurs.Could you help me here?

I got over my initial symptoms of epstein barr in a couple of months.I then had a year of good health. The serious dramas started about a week after I competed in an ultra-marathon type of event whilst at university.(It was a fifty mile run for which I did barely any training-good 'ol student idiocy) .I suffered from exhaustion ,muscle aches ,insomnia,depression,bloating etcetera etcetera. After wasting a year humouring the obligatory doctor's diagnosis of clinical depression I began to go through the"knowledge is power" type of experience. Since then I have tried acupuncture.yoga,meditation , qi gong, a 100% natural diet vitamin injections and countless natural supplements.I am definitely on the road to recovery at this point in time and have been particularly helped by Ultraclear maintain.
Presuming that leaky gut syndrome is one of my problems.(I have felt that my completely dysfunctional digestive system has been the root of the evil all along) what sort of time frame am I looking at to recover completely once the mucosal lining is restored to a healthy state?
I realise this is a difficult question-I just mean in terms of the liver returning to a non-stressed state and resultant reduction in free radical production etc.

I would also like to be pious and encourage everyone out there who is struggling to try and stay relaxed and positive as this is one of the biggest steps.You have to encompass some buddhist ideals and not succumb to all the shitty negative feelings that naturally surface.Sorry to preach, but I know how much this helped me. Keep searching for the answers because they ARE out there for the people who take the time to help themselves.


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Posted by Robert McFerran on September 20, 1998 at 13:15:30:

In Reply to: L.G.S__C.F.S posted by Stephen Phillips on September 20, 1998 at 09:12:32:

Stephen,

You are REALLY going to find that this web site is an oasis for the drought that you've been going through.

A virus like EBV does not cause leaky gut -- but leaky gut will alter your immunity to the point where a virus (even a very weak virus like Epstein-Barr) can assert itself, multiply and create more woes.

Here is a snippet from a book that I'm writing that disscusses the point more. If you would like to read more of the same go to the archives and read Robert McFerran's book. It's about arthritis BUT I had CFS and EBV two years prior to my diagnosis with rheumatoid arthritis. They were related. I would be very pleased if this information helped you to stop the process now before you develop something even more severe.

I can't agree more with your conlusion KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

Bob


Chapter 7

You see a stagnant pond of water swarming with mosquitoes. Did the mosquitoes cause the pond to stagnate or were the mosquitoes drawn to the static water? This is not a trick question. "It’s obvious" you say "it’s the latter. Mosquitoes can’t cause water to stagnate" and you are right.

We know that while mosquitoes are everywhere they need water to lay their eggs. Are the mosquitoes actually lured from distant places (with the stagnant pond acting as a mosquito magnet) or are we simply witnessing the fact that the few mosquitoes that happened to be in close proximity to the pond are much more successful breeding there?

The same questions need to be addressed concerning the relationship between opportunistic micro-organisms and human disease. Are these micro-organisms the true source of disease or does their presence (in large numbers) really signal that the tissues were already somehow ‘stagnant’? Remember this is the same question that was so hotly debated by Louis Pasteur and his peers. The ‘stagnant water’ of their discussions was the ‘terrain’ of the body.

This question has been totally neglected if not completely forgotten. Researchers routinely build the framework for studies without giving any consideration to the status of the immunity (or ‘terrain’) of their patients.

Dr. Walt Stoll gives a simple yet comprehensive perspective into the importance of immunity in his book SAVING YOURSELF FROM THE DISEASE CARE CRISIS. In it he describes a study where a large number of laboratory rats were injected with rabies virus. The great majority of the rats quickly became rabid and died. There was a surprise however. Some of the rats survived, seemingly unaffected, remaining in good health long after the other animals had perished.

The health of the animals prior to the experiment seemed to be the same. Researchers assumed that if there where differences in immunity they would be insignificant. They were not. Small variations in immunity proved so critical that it literally meant the difference between life and death. For the living animals the key variable was not the injection of rabies virus but rather the high hurdle created by the status of their immunity. It was the key variable for the dead animals as well.

Months later the surviving rats were exposed to a variety of stressors (loud noises, temperature extremes, starvation, etc.). They soon succumbed to rabies and died. It was apparent that the surviving rats possessed a greater reserve of immunity (to deal with the rabies virus) than the other rats. It was equally evident that once these reserves were exhausted (by stress) the rabies virus was no longer innocuous but instead deadly.

Mononucleosis (commonly referred to as mono or ‘kissing disease’) is associated with the presence of EBV (Epstein-Barr Virus). Unlike rabies, EBV is a very weak virus. It has little chance of creating problems unless the immune function of the host is fairly low. Since it is a virus, and no drugs are effective in killing viruses, doctors really have no pharmaceutical weapons to offer. They must rely completely on the natural immunity of the patient to rein the vir



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Posted by Walt Stoll on September 21, 1998 at 09:32:43:

In Reply to: L.G.S__C.F.S posted by Stephen Phillips on September 20, 1998 at 09:12:32:

Hi, Stephen.

Welcome to the BB.

Listen to Bob McFerran. I can't say what you need to hear any better than he has said it.

I would, however, ask you what kind of skilled relaxation technique you presently practice, how you do it, how long you have done it AND how you have proven to yourself that it actually produces the brain rhythms needed to rersolve this kind of chronic condition? In the long run, this is the single most important thing for you to be doing.

You are definitely on the path to resolving this. NOW is the time for you to accelerate your knowledge gathering process. I believe that you already know that or you would not be on this BB.

Namaste` Walt






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Posted by Jen on October 21, 1998 at 21:39:35:

In Reply to: L.G.S__C.F.S posted by Stephen Phillips on September 20, 1998 at 09:12:32:


I just finished reading your article and wanted to tell you I found it to be very interesting. I was told I had Ebstein Barr and Chronic Fatigue about a year ago. This was after I had been tested for everything under the sun. I distinctly remember during all of my testing I was told there seemed to be a abnormality with both my liver functioning and my white blood cell count. Ever since my doctors final decision, I have been unable to find medical help for my mysterious symptoms. To make it worse people have no idea how lonely it is to not be able to function regularly. It is upsetting to say the least. I would appreciate any furthur info. you have on both EBV and Leaky Gut Syndrome. Thankyou.


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Posted by Walt Stoll on October 22, 1998 at 12:26:22:

In Reply to: Re: L.G.S__C.F.S posted by Jen on October 21, 1998 at 21:39:35:

Dear Jen,

You have found yourself to the right place. It is time to put your FAD diagnoses behind you and turn your face to the causes of both. Twenty years from now no one will make these silly diagnoses any more. Is it any wonder that "no one knows how to help you"?

Go to the archives and home page & read everything you can find about your "diagnoses". THEN, if you still have questions, write again. Be sure to read any references recommended if you think what you are reading is making sense to you.

THESE ARE TOTALLY UNNECESSARY CONDITIONS. Please, as you get well, share your experiences with the rest of the participants of this BB. "Helping others move toward wellness is an aspect of our own."

Walt





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