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Posted by Lisa on October 07, 2002 at 17:16:04:

Hi,
I have a question re: wheat & gluten. Are they one and the same? I thought there wasn't any bread out there that I could eat if I were avoiding yeast & gluten. I found a bread called Spelt at the health food store. It said "yeast & wheat" free. Does this mean I can eat this if I am trying to avoid yeast and gluten????



Re: wheat/gluten

Posted by Helping You on October 07, 2002 at 18:10:36:

In Reply to: wheat/gluten posted by Lisa on October 07, 2002 at 17:16:04:

Labels can be very tricky. GLUTEN is a component of wheat. However, gluten is also a component of oats, barley, rye, and to a lesser extent in spelt. So, when a label says "yeast and wheat-free", this only means that the product contains no yeast and wheat. However, it can STILL contain gluten. The product must say "gluten-free". However, gluten-free products are usually high on the glycemic index which means that the food gets burned very rapidly. This causes spikes in blood sugar and can increase LDL cholesterol and triglycerides. This also leads to insulin resistance which is at the heart of many disease states. If you need to avoid gluten, avoid ALL grain, including gluten-free ones.

-HY



Re: wheat/gluten

Posted by Lisa on October 07, 2002 at 19:58:33:

In Reply to: wheat/gluten posted by Lisa on October 07, 2002 at 17:16:04:

Helping You,
Thank you for your response. Let me explain: I do not have an allergy or sensitivity to gluten. I DO have LGS which in turn DOES mean that I have Candida, correct? In my various readings on the subject, I believe it has been suggested that with this illness (LGS/Candida) that I try and avoid a lot of different foods, eg., vinegar, sugar, dairy, gluten, yeast, fruit (at least for the first month or so) mushrooms and so on because I have a good chance of developing a sensitivity or allergy to foods. Can you please explain why?Is this because of the Candida and wanting to rid of the yeast? Where does the allergy thing come in?
HY, I have read a lot of your posts and responses to many of us on line and was wondering if you would care to do this via e-mail? It isn't because I don't want to share with others but I feel like I might be writing too much and don't want to take advantage of a good thing. But I am scared of making a wrong move with all of this. I want so to be well again and just want to get the best advice.
Thank you, HY



Re: wheat/gluten

Posted by
Helping You on October 08, 2002 at 00:26:22:

In Reply to: Re: wheat/gluten posted by Lisa on October 07, 2002 at 19:58:33:

LGS is a general term. It means your intestinal environment is hostile. One person may have candida. Another person may have klebsiella. A third person may not have bad bacteria at all but merely a deficiency of benefical flora. So, don't assume that you have candida but it is safe to say that you are suffering from some degree of LGS. The best way to test if you have candida is to get the Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis offered by Great Smokies Labs. I don't like the yeast questionaire because symptoms of candida often mimic symptoms of other problems and you could score high on the questionaire even if you took just one course of antibiotics. The CDSA is more accurate. It shows the balance of good and bad bacteria in your gut and can show WHICH organisms reside there.

Here is how the allergies come in. When the intestinal tract becomes "leaky", larger particles of food that normally would not gain access to the bloodstream are able to get through. The immune system sees this as abnormal and slaps an antibody on it. This way, the immune system can spot this problem molecule the next time it gets into the bloodstream. So, every time that food is eaten, more and more antibodies against the food are created until eventually reactions can be noticed. This is when the immune system has become overwhelmed with dealing with them. Avoiding the food is not the answer. This is because you will soon get allergic to the new foods that you are eating. The best thing to do is to avoid the MOST problematic foods, which are usually 1-3 foods, and to simply rotate the rest of your foods. That way, your body doesn't make too many antibodies to any one food. Food allergies can be measured using blood tests but it won't help you heal the leaky gut. However, the more hypersensitivites you have, the worse the LGS is.

Having bad bugs in your intestinal tract just compounds the leaky gut problem. You begin to feed the organisms more than yourself. Below, is a simple candida diet that will help you reduce or eliminate the bugs within 3 months while at the same time begining to heal your gut lining.

DIET
40% protein
40% non-starchy vegetables (broccoli, asparagus, ect.)
10% low-sugar fruits (see below), and nuts (no peanuts)
10% starches (see below), and beans

FRUITS
Granny smith apple
Berries of all kinds

STARCHES
sweet potato
carrots
peas
brown rice
beans (lentils, ect.)

FATS
Always but some oil or butter on your vegetables and starches. It will help you absorb your minerals and fat-soluble vitamins as well as slow the absorption of sugar to your bloodstream
Olive oil
Coconut oil
Avocados
Butter
Fish oil

Lastly, if you wish, you could do the Primal Defense protocol that works so well. You slowly work your way up to 12-20 caps per day. Maintain the high dose for 3 months. Then follow the maintainence dose. I have seen extreme cases of candida problems eliminated in 3 months using Primal Defense. It is a special type of probiotic that implants in the colon regardless of how many bad bugs occupy the colon. Some people do fine on 6-12 caps per day and some people need a higher dose. Doing a CDSA before and after the PD protocol helps to decifer the correct dose. A CDSA can be purchased at www.crohns.net. You can also get a holistic doctor to order it for you. You can email me if you like but people will get more from your experience if you post here

-HY




Re: wheat/gluten (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 08, 2002 at 08:10:41:

In Reply to: Re: wheat/gluten posted by Helping You on October 08, 2002 at 00:26:22:

Thanks, HY.

Wonderful response!!!

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: wheat/gluten

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 08, 2002 at 08:14:50:

In Reply to: wheat/gluten posted by Lisa on October 07, 2002 at 17:16:04:

Hi, Lisa.

Listen to HY.

By the way, I think that if you will look at gluten elimination lists you will find Spelt listed there. To MY knowledge, Spelt is a form of wheat--as is triticale.

Those hypersensitive to gluten do not have to give up bread forever. Just for at least 6 months after the gut is no longer leaky. THEN nearly all can restart the gluten gently without recurrence of symptoms.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: wheat/gluten

Posted by Lisa on October 08, 2002 at 13:36:54:

In Reply to: Re: wheat/gluten posted by Helping You on October 08, 2002 at 00:26:22:

HY,
You have NO idea how much you helped me!!!!!!!!! You have given me some very valuable information and I am so very greatful to you. This is going to be a long haul but I'm up for it, and with people like you and Dr. Stoll to suppport and encourage along the way, (not forgetting to mention the grace of God)I CANNOT LOSE!!!!!!!!!
I DO have a few follow up questions but will address those later today.
Lisa

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Re: wheat/gluten

Posted by
Myelin Man on October 08, 2002 at 18:34:22:

In Reply to: Re: wheat/gluten posted by Helping You on October 07, 2002 at 18:10:36:

I thought the jury was still out, or at least leaning towards oats not being glutenous (sic)?

If you buy sprouted wheat or any other sprouted glutenous grain, the gluten is much more easily handled and won't result in the same allergic reaction (as I understand it)



Re: wheat/gluten

Posted by
Chris M. on October 09, 2002 at 08:46:44:

In Reply to: wheat/gluten posted by Lisa on October 07, 2002 at 17:16:04:

I have Gluten Sensitivity and can't touch bread. Spelt always gave me bad problems just as much as wheat like: prickly, burning pains; foggyheaded; fatigue; etc.

If you have a GOOD health food store near by, they might have pre-cooked , frozen breads made w/ Rice or Brown Rice.
They have an EXCELLENT brand made by "Food for Life".

See if you can find this. My whole family eats it!

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Re: wheat/gluten

Posted by Helping You on October 14, 2002 at 00:34:31:

In Reply to: Re: wheat/gluten posted by Myelin Man on October 08, 2002 at 18:34:22:

It is true that while oats don't bother some celiacs, it still bothers others.

You are right that sprouting the grains can help disasemble much of the gluten but a true celiac will still react. If you read, "Breaking The Vicious Cycle" available at www.crohns.net, you will add to the knowlegde that you are already displaying here. Thanks for the post.

-HY

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