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THREE DAYS OF LOOKING THRU ARCHIVES, NO LUCK...HELP!

Posted by Bonnie Hunnicutt on September 28, 2000 at 02:08:05:

Dr Stoll, I am a 45 yr old superbly healthy woman, other than an occasional cold, allergy attack or flu, I am in the best of health, a non smoker/drinker. Most of my adult life Ive passed semi hard stool with straining. I was never a big liquid drinker or fiber eater. Since June Ive boosted up my fiber, vegetables, water, fiber etc.. I eat normal amounts of these foods, 2 glasses of water a day. My morning bowel movement are always small pieces of semi soft or gushy stool. When I eliminate the above foods, the stool is hard with straining, is there a happy medium? Is very soft, small particles of stool considered a normal movement? Maybe Im use to the hard stuff and assume this is normal...help! I want to get on track. One time 3 years ago I strained SO hard and stood up after, and landed in bed with SEVERE abdominal pain for a full week. It hurt so bad I couldnt even roll over on my side. With this, if I had to pass gas, when it reached a certain spot in my intestine, I had to hold my side (left) because the brief pain as the gas passed by was excrutiating. Same thing with bowel movements all that week. That side was where the worst pain was, this lingrered on for a week. What could I have possibly done? I never went to the dr, came pretty close though. The entire abdomen was tender to the touch. Thank you fr your time. Bonnie



Re: 3 days in the Archives!?!? - a simpler, faster approach for newbies here!

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 28, 2000 at 08:32:21:

In Reply to: THREE DAYS OF LOOKING THRU ARCHIVES, NO LUCK...HELP! posted by Bonnie Hunnicutt on September 28, 2000 at 02:08:05:

Bonnie:

Sorry to hear it if you really spent 3 days in the Archives here without running into info applicable/helpful to your condition. That would certainly be very frustrating.

SoapBox Mode: ON!

Since whatever approach you were taking was obviously ineffective, may I suggest a different approach for you and anyone else new here, for that matter - just start with the Symptoms and Diseases Quick Reference guide. You passed it on your way down the page to posting your question. And it's linked basically everywhere, so no problemo finding it!

Look up your problem/question, in this case "constipation". Click on that link. And get ready to read just a little and to click a little.

Vouella! you are wisked into the Glossary/Index to the that "Constipation" entry where you see something (assuming my HTML cut/paste works out) that looks like:

Constipation  
Walt's Constipation and Stool Withholding Article  
Walt's Constipation Summary
& Q&A Archive
         A
good Constipation Article


Infrequent or difficult evacuation of the faeces.



Walt says: People who are habitually constipated either are eating mainly refined foods or have
LGS.



The classical solution to constipation has always been to drink lots of water.



Prunes are a laxative and, as such, are habit-forming. So long as they work and are only used for a short time, no problem. In cases of chronic constipation, avoiding anything that can be habit -forming would be best.; 


(Assuming that comes out readable here with working links) then simply read that specific entry. Each Glossary entry is my best effort so far to summarize the "meat" of Walt's historical insight/sugestions/explanations down into a few sentences or paragraphs. I'll admit that this particular entry could use some improvement, but I don't see exactly what to do about it, so it will stay as is till further input comes in from Walt or others here in this BBS.

Also find there links to applicable (sometimes voluminous! as in the case of some Q/A Archives!) stuff at this site and sometimes at other sites on the subject of this particular symptom/disease.

Also often find in the body of the entry links to other Glossary entries for sometimes confusing words (in this case, "Refined Foods" and "LGS"

OK, if you read that entry, then the subjects of "water", "refined foods" and "LGS" come to mind as something that may be related to your problem, or to a solution thereto.

Ok, the first link after the word Constipation is about "constipation and stool withholding". That does not sound all that applicable, but it is FIRST in the list - perhaps the most important. There is a clue! Perhaps click that link and read Walt's article. In this case, you will have found something likely very applicable to your specific problem, at the very least to improving your comfort while you address other underlying causes to your constipation problem.

The next link is for Walt's Constipation Q/A archive. I'm assuming that you already looked thru that archive. You could spend quite a bit of time there, but considering that the recent entries are supplied in Question form, finding your applicable question and reading thru that/those threads should not take too long. But a person can take as little or as long as they choose. That's what's wonderful about a free public archive.

The next link is for another page at another web site about Constipation. Let me copy/paste here just a portion of what's there:

Common Causes of Constipation

Not enough fiber in diet

Not enough liquids

Lack of exercise

Medications

Irritable bowel syndrome

Changes in life or routine such as pregnancy, older age, and
travel

Abuse of laxatives

Ignoring the urge to have a bowel movement

Specific diseases such as multiple sclerosis and lupus

Problems with the colon and rectum

Problems with intestinal function (Chronic idiopathic
constipation).

-----

If you read thru that list, I'll bet you either see yourself there in spades, or at the very least, you see several subjects for further reading/exploration, perhaps for a trip to the doctor for diagnosis.

Now, then, did that alternate approach take 3 days? I sure hope not!

SoapBox Mode: OFF!

To address specifically your question/problem, you pretty much answered your own question. You seem to me to need to re-evaluate and to likely change your drinking habit, your fiber habit (lack thereof), learn about refined foods, learn about LGS and what you can do about it, and go see your doctor for a long-over due checkup. You may well have caused some serious damage down there with (not) dealing with this problem for so long.

Hope this helps! (and that your next Safarri here will take a lot less than 3 days and will be much more fruitful for you!)
RHJ++




Re: copy/paste HTML - it worked, except for two links

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 28, 2000 at 08:41:36:

In Reply to: Re: 3 days in the Archives!?!? - a simpler, faster approach for newbies here! posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 28, 2000 at 08:32:21:

In trying to help Bonnie, I copied and pasted the Glossary entry for Constipation in .HTML form. Well, that worked, sorta. Got lots of extra line breaks. No big deal there.

The main links work, but the links to Refined Foods and LGS don't. When I look at the .html code, I see that Front Page used a "shortcut" link rather than a full link address. So copying and pasting those particular links into new messages won't be satisfying, without manually fixing each of those links.

Oh well, part of it worked, and I learned something in the experiment! .HTML can be copied here, with care :-)
RHJ++



Re: 3 days in the Archives!?!? - a simpler, faster approach for newbies here!

Posted by Bonnie on September 28, 2000 at 11:37:08:

In Reply to: Re: 3 days in the Archives!?!? - a simpler, faster approach for newbies here! posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 28, 2000 at 08:32:21:

If you read thru that list, I'll bet you either see yourself there in spades, or at the very least, you see several subjects for further reading/exploration, perhaps for a trip to the doctor for diagnosis.

Thank you RocketHealer for your extensive work, but again, what you gave me only helped the constipation part of the problem. I think I forgot to add that many times, even if I havent over done it on the ruffage, I still awaken with straing and end up having mushy type stool. Is this type of stool normal? What is considered 'normal' type of stool? Yesterday all I ate was 4 slices of pizza, (sometimes spaghetti sauces, gravy causes me very soft stool)I had 2 glasses of grape juice, milk and potato chips, and this morning I strain for a good 4 minutes then I have a BM and its all soft like mush (sorry to be so graphic) is this normal??? I tend to alternate lately between hard stool and very very mushy stool...I dont get it. I went to the links you supplied Jim, but all those dealt with hard stool, what about what Im explaining here? Any help you can give me would be great, Im a wreck over this. Seems like Im so use to straining and having hard stool, that when I see mushy stool I panic, Ive never heard of mushy stool coming out with straining...have you?? Thanks




Re: 3 days in the Archives!?!? - a simpler, faster approach for newbies here!

Posted by KMD on September 28, 2000 at 13:01:38:

In Reply to: Re: 3 days in the Archives!?!? - a simpler, faster approach for newbies here! posted by Bonnie on September 28, 2000 at 11:37:08:

Hi Bonnie,

You said, "Ive never heard of mushy stool coming out with straining...have you??" YES! I think this happens when the digestion isn't working perfectly. I doubt it is a big concern, and I think it is a good thing that you aren't passing hard stool anymore with straining. You should try never to strain! Don't be in a hurry. You can experiment with taking the mineral oil/metamucil combination until you get to the right consistency for you. I'm not sure that pizza and grape juice is going to solve the problem!



It just hit me!

Posted by KMD on September 28, 2000 at 13:23:53:

In Reply to: Re: 3 days in the Archives!?!? - a simpler, faster approach for newbies here! posted by KMD on September 28, 2000 at 13:01:38:

Bonnie,

Try eliminating milk and milk products for a couple of weeks, see what happens then.



Re: THREE DAYS OF LOOKING THRU ARCHIVES, NO LUCK...HELP! (Archive in colon problems.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 30, 2000 at 09:11:40:

In Reply to: THREE DAYS OF LOOKING THRU ARCHIVES, NO LUCK...HELP! posted by Bonnie Hunnicutt on September 28, 2000 at 02:08:05:

Hi, Bonnie.

Your symptoms are those of diverticulosis aggravated to diverticulitis by your straining episode. Of course, current theory of what causes diverticulosis is chronic constipation and straining at stool.

ANY significant change in diet will take about 6 months for the colon to adjust its ecology and reflexes to settle down. Your habits will eventually even out if you continue with the present program. For the rest of your life, you will have to pay more attention to your stool consistancy, than most people have to, since you are apparently genetically susceptible to this problem. It is more important for YOU because of your diverticulae--look it up (Get a reference less than 2 years old because what we were taught in medical school before that was actually the reverse of what helps.)

Let us know how you do.

Walt




Re: THREE DAYS OF LOOKING THRU ARCHIVES, NO LUCK...HELP! (Archive in colon problems.)

Posted by Bonnie on September 30, 2000 at 14:57:53:

In Reply to: Re: THREE DAYS OF LOOKING THRU ARCHIVES, NO LUCK...HELP! (Archive in colon problems.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 30, 2000 at 09:11:40:

Hi, Bonnie.

Your symptoms are those of diverticulosis aggravated to diverticulitis by your straining episode. Of course, current theory of what causes diverticulosis is chronic constipation and straining at stool.

ANY significant change in diet will take about 6 months for the colon to adjust its ecology and reflexes to settle down. Your habits will eventually even out if you continue with the present program. For the rest of your life, you will have to pay more attention to your stool consistancy, than most people have to, since you are apparently genetically susceptible to this problem. It is more important for YOU because of your diverticulae--look it up (Get a reference less than 2 years old because what we were taught in medical school before that was actually the reverse of what helps.)

Let us know how you do.

Walt

Dr Stoll, thank you for the advice. You mentioned needing to 'watch my stool' may I ask why? My grandfather was operated on for diverticulosis and he developed an ifection and died. So...the mushy stool will occur, and this is okay? I dont want to stop eating the veggies, water etc..




Day #9 on E- diet Help!

Posted by
Debi on October 01, 2000 at 11:52:44:

In Reply to: Re: 3 days in the Archives!?!? - a simpler, faster approach for newbies here! posted by KMD on September 28, 2000 at 13:01:38:

Hi,
Is anyone here on the E-diet? Has anyone recently gone thru this protocol?? I am on day #10 testing stage and I am finding this to be a tad confusing.and getting discouraged... is it okay to test coffee? I think I am a HG type with type 0+ blood...but what IF I am not..
Ahhhhhhhhhh it would just be nice to talk to someone...
Debi, In AB Canada...trying to figure this body out!
I have RA
datts@home.com
Would welcome any input



Re: THREE DAYS OF LOOKING THRU ARCHIVES, NO LUCK...HELP! (Archive in colon problems.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 03, 2000 at 10:02:40:

In Reply to: Re: THREE DAYS OF LOOKING THRU ARCHIVES, NO LUCK...HELP! (Archive in colon problems.) posted by Bonnie on September 30, 2000 at 14:57:53:

Bonnie.

Record your stool characteristics on your calendar for the next year and you will see the improvements. Also, with diverticulosis, you need to be watching for blood as an early sign of diverticulitis which needs to be treated.

Walt



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