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Posted by
Richard on May 25, 1999 at 00:30:10:

Helo, may I ask if you could provide answers to the following:

1) the origins of this parasite
2) how is it picked up - ie how does one get it
3) after treatment, is it likely to re-occur

I have just had an endoscopy and am awaitng the results

Thankyou for your time



Re: heliobacter - answer found using LGS search engine!

Posted by
RocketHealer Jim++ on May 25, 1999 at 05:35:03:

In Reply to: heliobacter posted by Richard on May 25, 1999 at 00:30:10:

Just for jollies, I looked up heliobacter in the LGS Archive search engine and found the following question and reply from Dr. Stoll, which appear to be applicable to this particular question.

RocketHealer Jim



Re: heliobacter - answer found using LGS search engine!

Posted by kathy on May 25, 1999 at 23:36:06:

In Reply to: Re: heliobacter - answer found using LGS search engine! posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on May 25, 1999 at 05:35:03:

I just came from the Dr. A follow-up after endoscopy. Told I had a gastritis infection because of heliobacter. Was given a handful of prescriptions including flagl, tetracycline, and pepto-bismal. I have no desire to use these as I know what it will do to my bowels. Would DGL do just as well and are there other recommendations?



Re: heliobacter - answer found using LGS search engine!

Posted by
Michael Kramer on May 26, 1999 at 12:33:18:

In Reply to: Re: heliobacter - answer found using LGS search engine! posted by kathy on May 25, 1999 at 23:36:06:

Bismuth (the stuff in pepto-bismol) is available as a supplement, without all the dyes, tableting compounds, etc.



Re: Helicobacter Pylori

Posted by MAI on June 01, 1999 at 06:39:48:

In Reply to: heliobacter posted by Richard on May 25, 1999 at 00:30:10:

H.Pylori is an organism which at all time is present in the intestines. However under specific condition it becomes active and starts multiplying. The problem with intestinal infections is more complex.
At the present time the tests for bacteria in the gut are totally neglecting other unknown anaerobic gram negative bacteria. So if you have H. Pylori you likely have other organisma which may not be identified as of yet. There is a new strain of H. Pylori which does not responds at all to antibiotics! The treatments consists of metradonizole, biaxin, and Prilosec, or TRITEC and doxycycline.

The critical issue is that standard perscribed treatment are 10 - 18 days. In many cases it is to short, and treatment shall not be shorter than 6 weeks! contrary to present medical practice! Many treatments are not potent enough to be sucessfull! On other hands are other which are to extensive an cause overmedication.



Re: Helicobacter Pylori

Posted by kathy on June 01, 1999 at 21:20:01:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori posted by MAI on June 01, 1999 at 06:39:48:


MAI

Your information is interesting. Where do you get it from?
What about the claims that DGL (licorice root) is equally effective in treating this bacteria. I have no desire to take the antibiotics but feel that I need to begin some treatment.



Re: Helicobacter Pylori

Posted by
Paul C. on June 02, 1999 at 02:06:07:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori posted by kathy on June 01, 1999 at 21:20:01:


I've read that helicobacter can be killed by garlic or manuka honey. I can't provide any info as to their actual efficacy, but they might be worth investigating.

Also, check out www.helico.com

Paul C.



Re: Helicobacter Pylori

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 02, 1999 at 13:26:26:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori posted by MAI on June 01, 1999 at 06:39:48:

Hi, Mai, Kathy & Paul.

Just remember: NO ONE CAN "GET" HELICOBACTER PYLORI WITHOUT FIRST HAVING LGS! Without dealing with the LGS, the problem frequently recurs. Of course, there is also the consideration of all the other opportunistic pathogens the conventional medical community still does not recognize. Just think how long it took for it to "recognize" Helicobacter!

Walt



Re: Helicobacter Pylori

Posted by
Paul C. on June 02, 1999 at 23:28:26:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori posted by Walt Stoll on June 02, 1999 at 13:26:26:

Dr. Stoll,

Yes, of course, just killing off existing h. pylori without dealing with the underlying causes won't prevent pylori infection from returning.

Furthermore, not everyone who has h. pylori is symptomatic! Once again, stress, LGS, candida, etc. rear their ugly heads.

Paul C.

P.S. For anyone interested, it has been reported that mastic gum will kill h. pylori as well.



Re: Helicobacter Pylori

Posted by kathy on June 04, 1999 at 00:53:44:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori posted by Paul C. on June 02, 1999 at 23:28:26:


Paul,

Where does one find mastic gum and what is it?



Re: Helicobacter Pylori

Posted by MAI on June 04, 1999 at 03:43:20:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori posted by Walt Stoll on June 02, 1999 at 13:26:26:

Helicobacter Pylori was first discovered in Australia by an MD who infected himself with Helicobacter Pylori in 1974. However the power and biggest medical fraud ever committed by GLAXO Pharmaceutical due to billions of dollars to be made pumped partial proceeds into doctors who financialy benefited from kickbacks for prescribing ZANTAC!

There was never bigger medical fraud committed ever before ZANTAC.
Helicobacter Pylori was only recognized with expiration of patent for ZANTAC, and introduction of BIAXIN, when AMA received clearance from GLAXO to do so, and many doctors consoider treatment with BIAXIN, PRILOSEC, and METRADONIZOLE even today very controversial.




Re: Helicobacter Pylori

Posted by MAI on June 04, 1999 at 04:06:17:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori posted by kathy on June 01, 1999 at 21:20:01:

Unfortunatelly there is a new bread if Helicobacter Pylori which is drug resistant, and very difficult to eridicate.

I will never depend on treatments which as in case of H. P. are not potent enough.
As much as I would like to get away from conventional medicine GARLIC will not wipe out Helicobacter Pylori.

What many do not know that bacterial infection as such are neglected by MDs. Helicobacter Pylori is only one of present bacteria which is recognized. There is a group of Gram negative bacteria which are even more damaging than HP, but there is no diagnostic tests for such.
The alternative treatment is with Doxycycline, and TRITEC for at least six weeks. Unfortunatelly many doctors are trying to cure it with substandard doses for to short period of time (usually less than 14 days).

As far as where I do get my info?
I have PhD in Internet search!

I am not medical doctor, and have nothing to do with medicine, but if I could revoke licenses of many physicians it is because their stubborness, lack of intellectual capacity, and religious following of AMA.
Unfortunatelly the doctors who well serve their patients are loosing medical licenses because of association of QUACKS also known as AMA.

At the present time the biggest medical fraud is involved around dental amalgam! 95 % of all illnessess are related to systemic dental mercury poisoning.

Dental amalgam causes many good medications totaly not effective, and totally useless, disregarding what the official opinions of practitioners are!

(I gave PhD to myself! if there is any such information posted on the WEB, I will find it using several search technics).




Re: Helicobacter Pylori - Mastic Gum

Posted by
Paul C. on June 04, 1999 at 16:06:53:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori posted by kathy on June 04, 1999 at 00:53:44:


Mastic is a resin extracted from a Mediterranean (mainly Greece) plant/tree. It is used as a spice.

Mastic has been shown to kill the standard h. pylori strain plus at least 6 variants, including 3 metronidazole resistant strains.

You can read about it in a correspondence appearing in the New England Journal of Medicine at www.nejm.org. Just use the search engine, search for "mastic gum." Be sure to check the correction linked at the bottom of the article. There was a typo: the dosage should read 1 gram, not 1 mg.

The website should be linked below. If you have trouble retrieving the article, I will email it to you. Just contact me by email.

Getting mastic gum: since it is a spice, you can probably find it at your local spice-specialty store. It isn't cheap. I did a quick check on the web, costs around $8 per ounce. The problem with getting the spice in loose form is measuring it properly. If you want to avoid that hassle, you might want to look at this prepackaged stuff called "Bye-Lori." No joke! That can be found at www.life-enhancement.com under their product listings. Costs extra of course!

If you decide to try this stuff or anything else, don't do it as a substitute for diet and lifestyle changes - and do your SR.

Paul C.




Re: Helicobacter Pylori - Mastic Gum (archive in GI)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 05, 1999 at 09:48:05:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori - Mastic Gum posted by Paul C. on June 04, 1999 at 16:06:53:

Thanks, Paul.

Considering that they are recommending 1 gram of mastic a day for 2 weeks, and there are more than 28 grams per ounce, I would say that the cost you quoted was REALLY reasonable compared to the "standard allopathic practice" for this condition.

It will be very "interesting" to see how long it takes this to "catch on" in the medical "profession".

Walt



Re: Helicobacter Pylori (Don't forget susceptibility factors.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 05, 1999 at 10:17:29:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori posted by MAI on June 04, 1999 at 04:06:17:

Hi, MAI.

We are of a mind.

I would, however, like to remind you that another of the things suppressed by the AMA has been that no one can GET any of this stuff without having LGS. Resolving LGS is still the most effective thing anyone can do in the long run.

Has the new "resistant strain of Helicobacter" become resistant to Mastic Gum as well? If you are not aware of this stuff, take a look at 15401.html on this 'site.

Namaste` Walt




Re: Helicobacter Pylori - Mastic Gum - Cost

Posted by
Paul C. on June 05, 1999 at 14:59:26:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori - Mastic Gum (archive in GI) posted by Walt Stoll on June 05, 1999 at 09:48:05:


Yes, it is considerably cheaper than the cost for allopathic treatment of h. pylori infection. However, it is more expensive than the average nutritional supplement (or spice for that matter).

As you know, one of the big obstacles to non-allopathic medicine is the alliance between health insurance companies and allopathic medicine. I don't think any of the insurance companies will cover the purchase of mastic gum. So buying mastic gum will come out of your own pocket.

Paul C.



Re: Helicobacter Pylori - Mastic Gum - Cost

Posted by kathy on June 06, 1999 at 22:16:33:

In Reply to: Re: Helicobacter Pylori - Mastic Gum - Cost posted by Paul C. on June 05, 1999 at 14:59:26:


Thanks Paul,

You answered my question as to an alternative to all of the antibiotic prescriptions. Can't wait to try the Mastic Gum.
Right now I'm using DGL (also thought to be effective) and ginger. I feel just as well as I did when I was using Prilosec (which I've been off of for several weeks.) I'll let everyone know how this all works.

Kathy



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