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DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by
Jason on May 14, 2003 at 12:35:29:

I was diagnosed with DIVERTICULITIS close to 3 weeks ago now. Went to the hospital and after tests and finally a CT Scan they said I had DIVERTICULITIs. They put me on anti-biotics and the whole bit.

What concearns me is that a day before I had the stomach pain I had pain near/in my testicals. Was very discomforting. I have had it ever since. Some days it is worse than otehers and it seems to almost switch sides. The doctor thinks it is migrating pain. But I am very concearned. It took me about two weeks to stop gettign the very obvious stomach pains and cramps and what not. Now for the past few days I have begun to feel bettr when it comes to pains in my stomach. However the pain in and around my testicles has not subsided.

They have me on NuLev a anti-spazmadal. But it seems to give me a headace and make me feel funny so I do nto like taking it. Also the past 3 days I have felt very out of it. Very tired, unable to focus and weak. I have been eating. Not 100% normal but a lot more than I was last week. I am concearned about feeling week and out of it. I have also been running a temp that varies from normal to 99.6degrees each day for the past few days.

Do you have any idea what is goign on? What should I do? Is this all normal? Will it go away?

I need help.



Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by MaryC on May 14, 2003 at 22:13:23:

In Reply to: DIVERTICULITIS posted by Jason on May 14, 2003 at 12:35:29:

I have had a recent bout of diverticulitis in April and have a colonscopy scheduled on 6-23-03. You should read the Leaky Gut System articles and archives. When I did the bulletin board search here for diverticulitis,I learned that drinking aloe juice will help heal an inflamed colon. Constipation is also a major cause of diverticulitis--I had to follow the stool withholding article protocol to get rid of it. The Western diet of refined foods contributes to it, also. When you feel better, you may need to add fiber to your diet and exercise.

If you're stil feeling this badly, you need to see your doctor again, especially for the pain around your testicles.

What kind of doctor diagnosed you? Maybe you need to see a gastroenterologist.



Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 15, 2003 at 07:16:20:

In Reply to: DIVERTICULITIS posted by Jason on May 14, 2003 at 12:35:29:

Hi, Jason.

Listen to Mary C.

Your life style has finally caused permanent damage to your colon (diverticulae). The -itis is resolvable. Unless you have peritoneal symptoms the antibiotics are worse than worthless (in my opinion).

Let us know what you learn. Knowledge is your best option.

Walt



Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by Matylda on May 15, 2003 at 21:11:55:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS posted by Walt Stoll on May 15, 2003 at 07:16:20:

Dr. Stoll,
I don't understand your answer. Can you explain to me what do you mean by " -itis" is resolvable? PLEASE.
Matylda



Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 16, 2003 at 08:23:36:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS posted by Matylda on May 15, 2003 at 21:11:55:

Hi, Matylda.

"-itis" is added to a medical term to indicate "inflammation". SO, diverticulosis (the pockets) are the permanent damage and diverticulitis is an inflammed pocket that IS resolvable.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by
Jason on May 16, 2003 at 09:02:16:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS posted by Walt Stoll on May 16, 2003 at 08:23:36:

My lifestyle?

I am only 24 years old. I eat like everybody else. Sometimes healthy sometimes now. I have to beleive in some way I was genitically weak and this happend because of that and because of Diet. But there is no history in my family so it is strange.

Still have simptoms. But things have gotten somewhat better. The GI Dr. told me it could take up to 6 weeks for me to feel back to normal cause the flora had to build back up in my system and I had to heal. Goign to do a colonoscopy in 7 weeks.

Still I can not beleive I have this at such a young age. Scares me a lot. And all I want is to be better. I understand I will need to change my diet. But I am willing to do anyhting not to have to suffer through this again.

The new GI Dr. has me on a low fiber/low residue diet for the next few weeks. After that he will tell me to start introducing more and more fiber into my diet. This is the opposite of what the last GI Dr. told me.

Today i noticed a green tint to my stool. What do you make of that?



Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by
jason on May 16, 2003 at 09:04:05:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS posted by MaryC on May 14, 2003 at 22:13:23:

Read my post above. Was a replay I just posted.

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Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by
MaryC on May 16, 2003 at 22:07:37:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS posted by Jason on May 16, 2003 at 09:02:16:

I am glad you are seeing a gastroenterologist. I am 41 and don't have many more answers than you do about how to get thru this thing. My first attack appears to have been less severe than yours. There is also no history in my family of colon problems--plenty of heart disease and varieties of cancer, though. And my GI doctor tells me that diverticulitis is only the tentative diagnosis until he can see what the colonoscopy reveals==and he said it may be cancer or benign polyps. However, my gut, no pun intended, tells me it's diverticulitis, because of my chronic constipation for about the last year, and notoriously bad diet for many years.

I do not think that it's a good idea to introduce abnormal amounts of fiber into your diet if it was not there before and you should probably keep following your doctor's diet recommendations.

When your doctor told you that the flora has to build up in your system for it to heal, he is probably right. You can help this process along by adding yogurt with live cultures to your diet, or even better, use acidophilus to repopulate your colon with "good' bacteria and cultures. Most likely the "good flora" in your system were killed by the antibiotics. My white blood cell count during the attack was 19(way too high according to MD in emergency clinic), so I had to take both Cipro and Flagyl. So I had a yeast infection afterward(wonderful, how doctors keep themselves and the pharmaceutical industry in business).

I have no idea what has caused the change in color of your stool.

I hate to ask you this, but have you had problems with constipation or diarrhea, or combination of both, before you had diverticulitis?? that may help to understand how you got in this situation.

I believe you can get thru this situation because you are younger and your system can probably adapt faster than mine. You will get thru this--it won't happen overnite. After all, it probably took a long time for it to develop.

BTW, have you tried aloe juice?? I don't think it would hurt you.




Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 17, 2003 at 07:52:20:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS posted by Jason on May 16, 2003 at 09:02:16:

Thanks, Jason.

"Eating like everybody else" has created the biggest increase in the rate of diverticuli in the history of medicine. It is now, officially, an epidemic in young people like you. These pockets will always be there for the rest of your life. The best you can do now is not make any more and learn to avoid the complication the inflammation is.

Another quote: "If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you have always gotten."

At your age you will have plenty of years to learn that a purely conventional GI doc will never do you much good. You will have to begin seeing a good holistic doc to not eventually have to have a big section of your colon removed.

There probably is a genetic component to this. All this means is that you will not get away with "eating like everybody else" and will have to put some intention into your diet to keep from being in trouble.

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by Matylda on May 17, 2003 at 09:09:05:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS posted by Walt Stoll on May 16, 2003 at 08:23:36:

Dr. Walt
Thanks, I didn't know that. So, much to learn, I enjoy it very much.
Matylda

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Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by
Jason on May 20, 2003 at 12:16:46:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS posted by MaryC on May 16, 2003 at 22:07:37:

Well I started to get better at the end of last week. What I mean is some pain started to go away a little. But I could always feel something that was not normal in my right and left sides. Two locations that stay in the same place. But some of the residual pain was goign away. However last night and today 5/20/03 I started feeling som residual pain again. Not as bad as a week ago but not as good as two days ago.

So I am still very concearned. I am waiting for results from a blood test that was done last Teusday. The white coult will tell me a lot. I think that if it is high or above normal the GI doctor will probably put me back on a 14day antiobiotic treatment to make sure all the bad bacteria are gone.

So I am waiting to see and still waiting to get better. I realize it doees not get better overnight but my attack occured on 4/25/03. So it is 5 days from being a month now. I just don't know how long it takes mot people to get better. And what I mean but that is to get rid of all the pains and the strange feelings. Doc said some take 6 weeks. But I still want to know what is normal.

My attack was acute and the pain was bad but not as bad as I know it could have been. My white count in the ER was 12500. SO not as high as yours. The thing with mine is that it seems like maybe it was a mild case when it came to the first few days- however it has turned into a long lasting case to become fully better.

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Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.)

Posted by
JAson on May 20, 2003 at 12:22:29:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 17, 2003 at 07:52:20:

What do you mean a GI dr. will not help me?

I do realize that this is life long and that my diet will have to be changed now and forever. I am goign with low fiber low residue like the GI doc said for now. Then in a few weeks when I am better he is goign to slowley bring me up to a high fiber diet.

I am fine with that. I will change my diet and do what needs to be done. What I meant by what I said was that I eat no worse than anybody I kow. Actually I eat better than most of my friends. So to see everybody else being healthy and not having such problems is a suprise to me. Seems like my system was weak and prone to this. Either way I hear what you are saying.

You said"It is now, officially, an epidemic in young people like you". Where did you get that information from? Who told you about it being an epidemic? Just curious. I never really new about it till I had it. And I think more people should know about it before they get it.

What exactly with a holistic doc do for me?



Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 21, 2003 at 07:26:07:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) posted by JAson on May 20, 2003 at 12:22:29:

Hi, Jason.

You need to learn a totally different way of looking at things. That is what a holistic doc can do for you.

In order or your questions:

The more highly specialized a doc is the more he will be steeped in the "Tolstoy Syndrome" and the less likely he will be able to cure any complex and chronic GI problem (Use the glossary for any unfamiliar terms and if it is not there use the search engine.)

This is the right way to go about the diet, so far as it goes. This has been the recommendations for the past 40 years. MUCH has been learned in the past 20 years that this doc is ignoring. I have yet to see a permanent resolution with diet alone.

If you are unwilling to learn about a whole foods diet, and WHY it is important in healing stuff like this, let us know in a few years when your problem is still bothering you.

Now that you have it you will begin to hear about others with it. How many people are YOU going to tell about YOUR problem? Go to the medicus index for research about this info. When I first started practice this was never seen in anyone younger than 50. That was only 40 years ago.

See Jim Hare's note of 5/21/03 about "What's for lunch."

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) for Walt

Posted by Happygal on May 21, 2003 at 13:58:28:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 21, 2003 at 07:26:07:

Hi Walt,

What's in the medicus index?

Thanks.

Namaste`
Happygal



Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.)

Posted by
jason on May 21, 2003 at 14:36:02:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 21, 2003 at 07:26:07:

First of all why are so negative?

I will learn what I can and do everything thing that I can to change over to a proper diet and hopefully forgo another attack.

I still don't understand why you think a specialist is no good. They specialize in the GI system so of course I am goign to go see a specialist to help me with this.

I do realize that I have to take a lot on myself and change habits and diet.

And can you please explain what you mean by this statment

"This is the right way to go about the diet, so far as it goes. This has been the recommendations for the past 40 years. MUCH has been learned in the past 20 years that this doc is ignoring. I have yet to see a permanent resolution with diet alone. "

And why do you capatilize things to make me feel like I am all alone in this. I just don't understand you negativity.

I just wanted to find out more about the condition and talk to people who had gone through it to see what they experienced.

I was feeling better last weekend and now I am back to having some pains in my abdomen (left and right sides) as well as some residual pains in the groin area and testical area. This pain had been absent for about 3 days and now it is back but not as bad as before (at least not yet.) These are the things that I want to talk to other people about. I want to see if others when through the same processes. I want to know if this is part of the healing process or if thsi is abnormal.

I talk to my GI doc tomorrow on the phone. He wanted me to check in after a weeks time. And I will. I am goign to tell him about the pains and discomforts that have come back. My blood test from a week ago when I was experienceing these pains came back as unremarkable. My White count was 7100 or normal. SO I am not sure what the GI doc is going to do. If My count was higher and I had pain then I bet he would put me on a 14 day antibiotic treatment. But now I don't know what he is going t otell me to do.

It has been close to a month since the original acute attack. I knwo it can take up to 6 weeks for full recovery but in the past few days I seem to have taken a step in the negative direction when I feel each day I should be taking steps (small) in the positive direction.

Dr. Stoll. Please don't be so negative. I am just looking for advice and wisdom and experience from you as a Dr. and other people that have gone through this. I am willing to do whatever it takes to be healthy. I am willing to change anyhting that needs to be changes so as to minimize my changes of getting this again or any other illness like this again. I am just hoping and praying that I get over this first attack ( and I hope it happens sometime soon) The past month has taken a lot out of me.



Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 22, 2003 at 08:43:23:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) posted by jason on May 21, 2003 at 14:36:02:

Jason,

I am not being any more negative than the facts, as they have been presented to me, indicate.

Walt



Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) for Walt

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 22, 2003 at 08:44:35:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) for Walt posted by Happygal on May 21, 2003 at 13:58:28:

Hi, Happygal.

It is the organized way to access all peer reviewed and published medical research in the world.

Walt



Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.)

Posted by
jason on May 22, 2003 at 10:35:16:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 22, 2003 at 08:43:23:

Excuse me.

YOu are being very negative. I am looking for support and suggestions and help. I am not looking for somebody to tell me that I am unhealthy and do do or eat the right things and that I basically had this coming. Cause I am no worse or better than anybody else. Diet plays a role but you can take 10 people feed them the same diet for 5 years and one might have a problem and the other 9 will be fine. To me that means ceartain peopl have an inherient weakness for ceartain things.

I did not ask for this. Now all I want is to control it as best I can.

I write a long message with many questions and concearns and you write a one sentence response.

I thought you were supposed to help people and give them good advice.

By the way what kind of Dr. are you? Just wondering. YOu seem to knwo a little about everyhting out there. And that is a good thing. Just wondering what your speciality was if you had one.

At this point I just don't understand why I am still experiencing pain/discomfort. Still getting residual pain in my testical area. I talk to my GI dr. today. I am waiting for him to call me back.



Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by
jason on May 22, 2003 at 10:37:36:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS posted by MaryC on May 16, 2003 at 22:07:37:

Did you hear anyhting new? Did you have a colonoscopy yet?

Another question for you is how did they diagnose that you had Diverticulitus? Did they do a CAT Scan on you?

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Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) for Walt

Posted by Happygal on May 22, 2003 at 23:19:48:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) for Walt posted by Walt Stoll on May 22, 2003 at 08:44:35:

Thanks, Walt.

Is it useful or accessable for the layperson?

Best wishes,
Happygal



Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 23, 2003 at 07:16:54:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) posted by jason on May 22, 2003 at 10:35:16:

Thanks, Jason.

You have chosen your path.

Let us know how you do.

I suggest you make hard copies of what I suggested so, when you have suffered enough, you will have something to fall back on.

"Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow you may die."

Walt



Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) for Walt

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 23, 2003 at 08:38:19:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) for Walt posted by Happygal on May 22, 2003 at 23:19:48:

Yes, Happygal.

That is what it was called back before the internet. I hope no one saw a reason for changing it: "Index Medicus"

Let me know what you learn.

Walt

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Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.)

Posted by
jason on May 27, 2003 at 07:08:57:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 23, 2003 at 07:16:54:

YOu call yourself a DR. ????

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Re: DIVERTICULITIS

Posted by
Jason on May 27, 2003 at 07:09:49:

In Reply to: DIVERTICULITIS posted by Jason on May 14, 2003 at 12:35:29:

NEW-

Well Some of the pain in my stomach has finaly gone. But not all of it. And the pain in my testicles is back. I talked to my GI dr. and he told me that the pains and the places they were in are not normal for diverticulitus.

My white count was normal 2 weeks ago and I had nothing wrong with my urine cultures. However I have pains in the testicles and they can run up into my lower abdomen.

The GI Dr. asked to look at my CT scan again. He wanted to review it in detail. So he did and he called me at the end of last week to tell me that after lookign at it again that it was pretty unremarkable. Basically that he did not even think that I had diverticulitus. He said he did not see much. HE said I could have one in my small intestine (they saw somehting there) but that would not be the cause of my pain. HE also said I could have one large one lower down but he was not cearatin.

So his answer is for me to now go see a Urologist. So I am going today. I just want to be better at this point. I want somebody to figure out what is wrong and tell me what I have to do to fix it. I am just praying that it is something that does not involve and crazy procedures. I am hopign medication can do the trick.

I just have no idea what is wrong. The pain is in the testicles. Always a bit disscomforting. Movement seems to make things worse. Also ceartain positions are worse and I can almost feel pain run up into my lower abdomen. It does not hurt to urinate and flow is fine. So I have no idea.

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Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.)

Posted by
jason on May 27, 2003 at 07:11:41:

In Reply to: Re: DIVERTICULITIS (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 23, 2003 at 07:16:54:

And exactly how have I chosen my path. I am still looking for the right path to take.

YOu are such a jerk.

You don't even tell me what kind of Dr. you are. If you even are one.?.?

I just want help here.

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