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Posted by Michele M on August 12, 1999 at 12:18:53:

Hello,
I was wondering if you knew anything about Soil Based Organisms. They are bacteria found in soil that are supposed to be good for your gut, but because of the common use of pesticides most people dont get enough of them. I started taking them because they are supposed to give your immune system a super jump. They are also supposed to be very aggressive on candida and other parasites in the gut. I started feeling pretty darn good after starting to take them, (and yes I am still doing SR, eating whole foods and exercising as well)
Have you heard anything about them?
Thanx,
Michele



Re: Soil Based Organisms

Posted by
LuAnn on August 12, 1999 at 22:37:54:

In Reply to: Soil Based Organisms posted by Michele M on August 12, 1999 at 12:18:53:

Michele - I haven't taken SBO's but have considered taking them. Where did you get yours? I heard they were more powerful than the other probiotics. If you are taking them for Candida have you noticed improvement? Thanks,LuAnn



Re: Soil Based Organisms

Posted by
Source of SBO's aka HSO's on August 13, 1999 at 09:31:29:

In Reply to: Re: Soil Based Organisms posted by LuAnn on August 12, 1999 at 22:37:54:

here is the URL to order your own or to tell others



Re: Soil Based Organisms

Posted by Michele M on August 13, 1999 at 14:42:23:

In Reply to: Re: Soil Based Organisms posted by LuAnn on August 12, 1999 at 22:37:54:

LuAnn,
Yes, SBOs are supposed to be very aggressive on candida, I think they actually eat yeast and other parasites. I am taking them for suspected candida (have'nt been officially diagnosed, but am pretty sure) and for an immune system boost. I really really feel much better since I started taking them. I just feel better generally. Some other ways they have helped are: I dont get as severe sugar highs or lows as I did before, my cravings for sweets and carbohydrates have gone down considerably, and I actually crave vegetables now, which is totally new to me. This all makes it a lot easier to stay on the candida diet!
I recommend trying them. Whoever left the post with the URL for HSOs left a good source, lots of info. I buy them off the internet and thats the brand I have been using. Be sure to read the literature that comes with them, its helpful.
Michele

PS: the first couple days I took them I was very jittery and kind of hyped up. It only lasted 1 1/2 days, then went away. I heard of someone else experiencing this too so I assumed it was normal.



Re: Soil Based Organisms

Posted by jackie on August 14, 1999 at 20:46:42:

In Reply to: Re: Soil Based Organisms posted by Michele M on August 13, 1999 at 14:42:23:

Anyone out there is crazy to take soil based organisms!

It's DIRT, so why don't you just go in your backyeard and
eat the soil. The companies who seel these products are
Multi level marketing companies. I would be very suspicious
about miracle cures that this product says it can cure.
And wouldn't you be suspicious if they can't even tell you
what's in the product and where these special soil based organisms come from? I would! Especially if you have
the so called Leaky Gut. The bacteria can get into your blood stream.

Beware of probiotics there have been studies where most of
the products had more bad bacteria than good!!!



Re: Soil Based Organisms (Don't be too hasty!) ARCHIVE in philosophy and NUGGET.

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 17, 1999 at 08:53:25:

In Reply to: Re: Soil Based Organisms posted by jackie on August 14, 1999 at 20:46:42:

Hi, Jackie.

My first impression about this was the same as yours. HOWEVER, if I have learned anything in my amazing (at least to me) journey into the ocean of health care--when I was only taught the "farm pond" in medical school--it is to not act on my "gut feeling" until I have more data.

Within a few minutes after I read your note, my "Science News" came in the mail. This is my favorite subscription since it keeps me up (weekly) in the latest developments in ALL fields of science in just 14 pages. Most articles are an average of less than 1/2 page. This issue (Volume 156, August 14th, 1999) devoted 2 1/2 pages to this subject (pages 108-110).

I hope that with your passion about this that you will take the time to go to your library (no library would be without this journal) and let us know what you think of the science behind this concept.

I have heard inklings of this even while I was in Pre-Med: The curve of polio cases exactly paralleled the curve of soap used in a culture.

Walt



Re: Soil Based Organisms (Don't be too hasty!) ARCHIVE in philosophy and NUGGET.

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 18, 1999 at 14:46:08:

In Reply to: Re: Soil Based Organisms (Don't be too hasty!) ARCHIVE in philosophy and NUGGET. posted by Walt Stoll on August 17, 1999 at 08:53:25:

Friends,

By the way, I just noticed that I didn't give the title of the article. It is:

"Modern Hygeine's Dirty Tricks (The clean life may throw off a delicate balance in the immune system.)" It is the cover story for that issue and the cover says; "Germs of Endearment"

Enjoy! I think this is an important subject.

I hope those who are interested enough to learn about this will share their "take" with the rest of us.

Walt



Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more....

Posted by
Rosemarie on August 19, 1999 at 23:41:23:

In Reply to: Re: Soil Based Organisms (Don't be too hasty!) ARCHIVE in philosophy and NUGGET. posted by Walt Stoll on August 18, 1999 at 14:46:08:

Hi Dr. Stoll,

I found it alright, in the library, just as you said.

The article suggested a correlation between early exposure to "dirt" in childhood to a more efficient immune system later in life particularly for allergies, and asthma. But in the end admitted that nothing was conclusive and lots of work needed yet to be done.

BTW, I'm the youngest of 3 and have an allergy to dust mites and ink, etc. but non of my siblings do. Plus I loved playing in dirt when I was a child. So there goes that theory...

Some thoughts that came to mind while reading it....

1. If dirt is such a deciding factor in a strong immune system then why is it that primitive people who certainly get their share of daily exposure to bacteria and "dirt" routinely get sick soon after they start associating with "civilized" people? Seems to me that this would be a real- life test situation for researchers to study. (I'm not a scientist so I may be missing something very obvious here!)

2. I just finished a fascinating book by Weston A. Price, DDS, called "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration". In the 1930's this dentist travelled literally from one end of the earth to the other in search of tribes or populations that had remained untouched by civilization. He wanted to study their eating habits and its effect on their teeth as well as other physiological changes.

He discovered 14 different groups as diverse as Swiss living in an isolated Alpine valley (who ate lots of dairy products, some meat and vegetables and much rye bread) people from the Outer Hebrides (who ate mostly oat products, fish and NO dairy food) to groups in the South Pacific, Africa, Eskimos, etc.

All these people were extremely healthy, strong and handsome. Their diet consisted of what their land provided and they all ate some form of animal protein. Many had no fruits and little vegetables. (According to our belief system that would surely spell disaster. But it didn't; they knew how to carefully select different parts and tissues of animals and fish to get all the vitamins they needed, according to Dr. Price.)

What usually brought on their physical demise - as quickly as the next generation - was contact with civilization - the partaking of devitalized, processed food: white bread, polished rice, sugar, sweets, etc.

Dr. Price, has documented his book extremely well and has some terrific pictures to prove what he saw. He also mentioned that the few people he encountered that were total vegetarians were not as strong and healthy looking as those who ate animal protein (fish, game, milk etc.) Caused me to stop and think!

Well, I highly recommend this book. I got it from the library. It's crammed full of information so don't get intimited when you first open it up. Just start reading. I had trouble putting it down.

I better stop here.

BTW, does anyone know who recommended this book?

All the best
Rosemarie



Re: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more....

Posted by
trish on August 20, 1999 at 00:20:15:

In Reply to: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more.... posted by Rosemarie on August 19, 1999 at 23:41:23:

Hi Rosemarie!

I think I can answer part of your question number 1, though I'm sure Bob and other more learned folks can add to and/or correct this.

The daily exposure to dirt and bacteria theory works IF people stay near where they are born. They become "innoculated" against THAT particular bunch of dirt and bacteria... You can't build up a resistance to something you've never been exposed to. The "civilized" people are carrying many NEW bacteria into these previously isolated populations.

This explains the "montezuma's revenge" that North Americans get in Mexico (the Mexicans don't get it), and also ties in with Dr. Price's diet observations and Bob McFerran's metabolic diets...genetic mixing is causing us to be not as well adapted and genetically "pure" people would be. It also explains why these isolated tribes get sick = they have not been exposed to any of the more "modern" maladies, and so have no immunity to them. This happened here in the States with the Native American indians when the Europeans first moved in.

People never used to move around the way we do now. In general, individuals and whole groups of people were born, lived and died within a relatively small geographical area (like your isolated tribes). I guess biologically, it makes a lot of sense that our immune systems make antibodies only to stuff we are exposed to...why make them if we are not exposed to something?

That's my take on it, incomplete as it may be. So, have at it everyone!

trish



Re: So should we collect dirt from all over the World!!??

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 20, 1999 at 12:40:54:

In Reply to: Re: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more.... posted by trish on August 20, 1999 at 00:20:15:

Thanks, Trish for your insights on this.

Wonder... ought we collect dirt samples from all over the world, mix them all together, and vouilla! immunity against everything that we might ever encounter?

Or would this more likely make us deathly sick trying to cope with it all at once?

Perhaps a "dirt of the month" club? :-)



Re: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more....

Posted by
Robert McFerran on August 20, 1999 at 20:56:17:

In Reply to: Re: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more.... posted by trish on August 20, 1999 at 00:20:15:

Hi Trish and Rosemary,

I've tried to find out more about what EXACTLY is in this stuff but to no avail.

If a certain population is asymptomatic (no apparent symptoms) when infected by a micro-organism that yields symptoms for other individuals there are reasons.

The first and most important is that the asymptomatic population simply has better overall immunity.

The second is that the asymptomatic population has been exposed to the micro-organism MUCH longer (thousands of years) while it is rather new to the symptomatic population.

There are lots of good examples.

Today h. pylori is almost ALWAYS present in individuals in India (and many other 3rd world countries). The incidence of peptic ulcer in these individuals is very low. In the U.S. a h. pylori infection has a very good chance of generating gastro-intestinal problems, including peptic ulcer.

When Europeans first came to the Americas they communicated gonorrhea (an Old World disease) to the indigenous Indians while the Indians shared syphilis (a New World disease) with the explorers.

The interesting thing is that syphilis was very common amoung Indians and for the most part they were asymptomatic. Syphilis created huge problems in Europe where most of the infected population was quite symptomatic.

Not all 'new' germs created devastation among indigenous populations. American Indians routinely traded with Europeans and never contracted contagious diseases like pneumonia -- until they changed their diets and way of life. Epidemics of 'new' diseases would predictably follow.
Dr. Weston Price describes several similar scenarios in his book NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL DEGENERATION.

The 'newness' of the infectious agent certainly plays some role but innate IMMUNITY plays a much more important role in the past AND in the future.

Bob


Much has been made of this exchange



Re: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more....

Posted by Rosemarie on August 20, 1999 at 23:17:10:

In Reply to: Re: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more.... posted by Robert McFerran on August 20, 1999 at 20:56:17:

Thanks Trish and Bob for your informative answers.

And so Bob, does "innate" Immunity come from quality food/diet? (That's what I like to believe.)

Rosemarie




Re: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more....

Posted by
Robert McFerran on August 20, 1999 at 23:51:27:

In Reply to: Re: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more.... posted by Rosemarie on August 20, 1999 at 23:17:10:

Rosemarie,

I tend to believe that 'innate' immunity comes from thousands of years of adaptation (via natural selection).

We WERE well adapted to things like diet until civilization in all its genius decided to make some BIG changes.

By eating the proper diet I think that you and I can re-capture some of that adaptation that was programmed into our ancestors.

Basically we become a little less mal-adapted, which in turn results in improvement in immune function (at least compared to our other 20th century counterparts).

Bob



Re: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more..(Archive under diet.)..

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 21, 1999 at 13:30:11:

In Reply to: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more.... posted by Rosemarie on August 19, 1999 at 23:41:23:

Thanks, Rosemarie.

Your thoughtful article will help others put this in perspective.

I am not saying that any of this is the be all and end all. What I am saying is that this is not something to ignore since it is one more piece of the puzzle.

If you will recall, I got pulled into this discussion when someone said it is just a foolish concept. My note was to say that it is NOT foolish.

Walt



So, Bob, do you think SBOs are worth a shot?

Posted by
trish on August 21, 1999 at 13:39:15:

In Reply to: Re: Here's MY take on the article (Science News) and more.... posted by Robert McFerran on August 20, 1999 at 20:56:17:

Say, with my candida problem (currently of unknown severity)? I bought some of the Prime Defense for mom when we found out about her cancer late last year... I got if from a website for chemotherapy help. It was horribly expensive, if I recall correctly. But mom did get some detox symptoms when she took it, so I assume it did SOMETHING. She never replenished her supply of it due to the cost.

Have you seen any benefits from this for people with LGS or candida?

trish

and thanks for expounding on the immunity stuff - very interesting!



Re: So, Bob, do you think SBOs are worth a shot?

Posted by
Robert McFerran on August 21, 1999 at 22:03:29:

In Reply to: So, Bob, do you think SBOs are worth a shot? posted by trish on August 21, 1999 at 13:39:15:

Trish,

I haven't tried the stuff basically because I don't 'buy' the idea that we don't get exposed to soil based organisms anymore due to the fact that pesticides have been extensively used.

The fact that most bacteria can replicate (and mutate) every 20 minutes leads me to believe that we have LOTS of soil based organisms which we are routinely coming in contact. Like yeast, we're swimming in them!

Now if someone could tell me what the special fu-fu dust (the specific micro-organism) that is involved I'd be willing to look at the product closer.

Once again I have no experience with it.

Bob



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