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LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 29, 1999 at 22:42:25:

In thinking about recent questions here about LGS, I did some web searching and I ran into the following article (linked below). This one article may perhaps be of use to people who want a LOT about LGS in one place (not to mention free!)

I found it interesting that in the section on treatment/cure, they say: "Avoidance of enterotoxic drugs, treatment of intestinal infection or dysbiosis, and an
allergy elimination diet of high nutrient density that is appropriate for the individual patient are the primary
treatment strategies for the Leaky Gut Syndromes." The diet part fits in perfectly with what Robert has been sharing here for a long time.

There are several interesting tables:

Table 1: Diseases Associated with Increased Intestinal Permeability

Inflammatory bowel disease
Infectious enterocolitis
Spondyloarthropathies
Acne
Eczema
Psoriasis
Urticaria
HIV infection
Cystic fibrosis
Pancreatic insufficiency
AIDS, HIV infection
Hepatic dysfunction
Irritable bowel syndrome with food intolerance
CFIDS
Chronic arthritis/pain treated with NSAIDs
Alcoholism
Neoplasia treated with cytotoxic drugs
Celiac disease
Dermatitis herpetiformis
Autism
Childhood hyperactivity
Environmental illness
Multiple food and chemical sensitivities

Table 2
Symptoms Associated with Increased Intestinal Permeability

Fatigue and malaise
Arthralgias
Myalgias
Fevers of unknown origin
Food intolerances
Abdominal pain
Abdominal distension
Diarrhea
Skin rashes
Toxic feelings
Cognitive and memory deficits
Shortness of breath
Poor exercise tolerance

It has 153 references.



Re: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld

Posted by
trish on August 29, 1999 at 23:50:04:

In Reply to: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 29, 1999 at 22:42:25:

Thanks, Jim.

I haven't read the article yet, but the tables might help some people who are looking for lists... :-)

trish



Re: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld

Posted by Rosemarie on August 30, 1999 at 01:28:58:

In Reply to: Re: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld posted by trish on August 29, 1999 at 23:50:04:

Thanks for the article Jim!

It's a little technical at times but most of it is understandable for a layperson like me. I'm wonderting if we would all benefit by adding things like Glutamine, Glutathione, Quercetin and milk thistle to our daily supplements. I'm hoping Dr. Stoll will sort this out for us. Looks like all of us have LGS, more or less.



Re: What ever happened to lactulose/mannitol testing?

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 30, 1999 at 06:45:27:

In Reply to: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 29, 1999 at 22:42:25:

After reading this article from beginning to end this AM, I did a little looking around in the archives for lactulose/mannitol testing. It sounded like a relatively quick/easy test for excessive intestinal permeability. I found only one mention of it in the LGS archives (using the search engine I set up some time ago for that archive).

Apparently we have never talked about this very much here, and apparently not for a long time. Has this testing "gone away"? Or is it still available/suitable?



Re: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld (ARCHIVE under LGS)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 30, 1999 at 11:42:41:

In Reply to: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 29, 1999 at 22:42:25:

Thanks, RHJ.

NOW, if we can just get people to read stuff like this rather than wanting to deny what they do not know (sigh).

Namaste`

Walt



Re: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 30, 1999 at 11:58:32:

In Reply to: Re: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld posted by Rosemarie on August 30, 1999 at 01:28:58:

Hi, Rosemarie.

The statistics that make sense to me say that fully 75% of the adults in the USA have at least some LGS--symptons or not. If we just check the people with chronic symptoms that conventional medicine has no idea what to do about, 100% of then have LGS as at least part of their causes.

Walt



Please READ READ READ

Posted by Brady on August 30, 1999 at 13:52:18:

In Reply to: Re: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld posted by Walt Stoll on August 30, 1999 at 11:58:32:

LGS IS MADE UP !!!!!!! tHERE IS NO SUCH THING AND ALL
THEY WANT YOU DO TO IS BUY SUPPLEMENTS !!!!!



Re: Please READ READ READ

Posted by
Raul Black on August 30, 1999 at 15:39:33:

In Reply to: Please READ READ READ posted by Brady on August 30, 1999 at 13:52:18:

I was once very sick and close to death. I stumbled into many conventional medical doctors offices and at first was met with a pompous better than though more educated and superior attitude. When it turned out they couldn't help me they just wanted me to go away so they didn't have to admit they they had none of the tools and knowledge required that could help me. They were simply parrots who had been taught a lot of knowledge but never had the courage to think outside of the box. In short I was one of the many cases that was never brought up at their family reunion amidst huge tales of bragging on what omni-potent healers they were while repeatedly validating this fact with mention of how much money they are paid for what they do.

The first N.D. I went to visit although a graduate from the prestigious Bastyr University had a similiar attitude and it turned out knew a fraction of what I knew about what was wrong with me and what potential treatment I should undergo. And I knew very little. I was going on pure common sense. Common sense often defies institutional wisdom. Unfortunately I bought this persons superiority act and was misdirected from the course I would eventually assume many months of agony and going way down hill later.

Eventually I got onto the hard earned knowledge of people like Dr. Stoll who actually address an individual with an open mind. Who understand that no person at this point in history can know everything about the human body but who have the courage to buckle down and try new things. It is in doing this process over and over that patterns of change in their patients start to emerge. These patterns of change are then contemplated with great diligence and theories begin to unfold wich eventually lead mankind into the future. What these people do is a lot greater than money can ever replace.

I don't much care if you believe in leaky gut syndrome or not. It was in part my belief in and the treatment of leaky gut syndrome wich brought me from a life of intense neurological torment in wich even alternative physicians refused to treat me because of their fear of the extreme level of my symptomology, to a man with an extremely good life. I was once so sick that all the alternatives would do for me was have suicide hotlines call my home and bug me because in frank honesty I logically concluded that the blackeness of death represented relief from indescribable human torment and suffering.

I do however take great issue with you posting nonsense like you have posted that could very likely lead to one or more persons who are currently or going to be in the condition that I once was not getting the treatment that they need to save their life. People at this site have made monumental human sacrifices to bring the knowledge into the light that saves peoples lives like my own. I don't know if you can appreciate what it means to be dieing and thrown away but I ask you not to interfere by posting such pompous statements of ignorance wich historically have proven to create so much documented human suffering.

I am not a doctor and have only an infintismile fraction of the knowledge that many such as Dr. Stoll do but I am a patient who has been and is still going around the block and I can only state the truth. That truth is that I am the luckiest man alive and the proof of this is in the pudding.

If you have developed an attitude toward healing that others are supposed to do the work of healing for you while you lay around and complain then you have a hard lesson to learn. If your not sick now you'll learn it when you are. The only chance of getting better many here have is to consult with the leading emerging wisdom and take their lives into their own hands. It isn't easy for any of us. We are here for one reason and one reason only. Because people are getting results here that they could not get anywhere else.

I will also state one last very important thing. Had I not believed I could or would ever get any better I would be dead right now. I had plenty of people along the way that spoke just as you do now in a seeming effort to get me to stop believing. I have kicked some serious ass. It has so far been indescribably difficult but I have made converts out of even the most hardened skeptics. Like I say the proof is in the pudding. Figure out what it is you really want out of life and then go do it.

Raul Black



Please READ READ READ yourself, Brady

Posted by
trish on August 30, 1999 at 15:40:57:

In Reply to: Please READ READ READ posted by Brady on August 30, 1999 at 13:52:18:

Where did you get your info???

I HAVE LGS. It is NOT made up...and Nobody has tried to sell me anything...and I don't sell anything either.

Who are these people who are tryiing to sell you supplements???

Please read the link that Rockethealer Jim posted. That article on LGS has over a hundred references.

Where are your references???
trish

trish



Re: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld

Posted by Michele M on August 30, 1999 at 18:06:32:

In Reply to: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 29, 1999 at 22:42:25:

RHJ,
That was a great article but I feel like I need a translator to read it. I found it HIGHLY technical. Im a little frustrated. Everything I wanted to know is right there and I couldnt understand it all. Maybe I need a medical dictionary.

quick question: does Ibuprofen irritate LGS? I was unclear on that.
Thanx
Michele



Re: What ever happened to lactulose/mannitol testing?

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 31, 1999 at 11:30:58:

In Reply to: Re: What ever happened to lactulose/mannitol testing? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 30, 1999 at 06:45:27:

Hi, RHJ.

It is available at Great Smokies Labs. The time will come when there are many other tests for LGS. Right now, that one is the only one I am familiar with.

Walt



Re: Please READ READ READ

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 31, 1999 at 12:28:56:

In Reply to: Please READ READ READ posted by Brady on August 30, 1999 at 13:52:18:

Brady,

What supplements have I been selling?

HOw silly are you going to feel 10 years form now when everyone knows about LGS?

Listen to trish and Raul. Given your present state of mind, you probably think their experiences are all placebo.

How come my patients, who I finally learned had LGS, did not get well with the "placebo effect" I gave them with conventional medicine but when I gave them the placebo effect of LGS they got well?

You really have a lot to learn.

Walt



Re: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 31, 1999 at 12:51:07:

In Reply to: Re: LGS Leaky Gut Syndrome article at HealthWorld posted by Michele M on August 30, 1999 at 18:06:32:

Hi, Michele.

ALL NSAIDS (Non-stearoidal anti-inflammatory drugs) worsen LGS.

Walt



Is this what is called the Indican Test?

Posted by
trish on August 31, 1999 at 15:54:32:

In Reply to: Re: What ever happened to lactulose/mannitol testing? posted by Walt Stoll on August 31, 1999 at 11:30:58:

That's what my doc used to diagnose my LGS...

trish



Re: Is this what is called the Indican Test?

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 01, 1999 at 10:30:22:

In Reply to: Is this what is called the Indican Test? posted by trish on August 31, 1999 at 15:54:32:

Hi, trish.

The indican test is one of the first tests that were used for this condition. One of its advantages is that it is easy to do and can be done in the physician's office in a few minutes. The mannitol test is more accurate, costs more and is much more difficlut to do.

Walt



Re: Please READ READ READ

Posted by vickir on September 01, 1999 at 13:11:31:

In Reply to: Please READ READ READ posted by Brady on August 30, 1999 at 13:52:18:

Dear Brady,
I don't know who "they" are, but no one has ever tried to sell me supplements for leaky gut. I have read in books and articles about digestive tract problems that there are some supplements that seem to promote healing of the gut (e.g., glutamine and N-acetyl glucosamine), but that is a far cry from trying to sell me supplements. In fact, in my opinion, taking supplements without addressing what caused the gut to become hyperpermeable in the first place would be a total waste of time and money. The reason I--and so many others--come to this BB is exactly because Walt helps us understand and address the CAUSE of a leaky gut. I personally have never seen where he has recommended any supplement to heal a leaky gut.

I think the reason some folks have trouble with the leaky gut concept is that it can manifest itself in different individuals in different ways. Actually, though, you don't have to "believe in" a leaky gut in order to treat it. If you just believe in and practice proper diet, adequate exercise, and effective stress relief, your leaky gut will likely heal without any conscious intervention on your part. And if you happen not to have a leaky gut, doing those three things will STILL be the best gift you could give your body.

Wishing you good health,
Vicki



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