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Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial

Posted by NancyN on October 17, 2003 at 14:09:19:

I just wanted to share with Dr. Stoll and the BB success that I am having with MGN-3 for candida.

I have been on a very strict candida diet regimen (no sugar!, and all pure, whole, organic foods) since the beginning of this year, and then added in Nystatin, and probiotics (acidophilus and bifidus) around July. Also added oregano oil extract (enteric coated), Candex ( which is cellulase, an enzyme that eats the out membrane of the candida cell), caprylic acid, and citrus seed extract.

I had very typical die-off symptoms as the candida was dying: abdomnal pain and bloating, headaches, muscles aches, depression, additional fatigue, and burning and stinging of tongue. Then these symptoms went away after about 2 months. (Die off symptoms occur as the yeast cells die by the millions, and the toxic contents of the yeast cells spill out into your system.)

Then 2 weeks ago, I stopped taking everything except the Nystatin and probiotics, and added the MGN-3 (a non-prescription supplement) and started having more of the same die-off symptoms for about 10 days and which have mostly gone away now and I'm now feeling a little stronger than before I started the MGN-3. My immunologist recommended the MGN-3, and says MGN-3 works by tripling the number of natural killer cells in your blood so boosts your immune system. I think the natural killer cells must be killing the candida throughout my system. It is typically given to patients with AIDS and cancer and is very powerful and works by killing the AIDS virus and cancer cells. (My natural killer cells were low normal at 29, with a normal range of 8-170). (Note: too many natural killer cells, i.e., above 170, may cause spontaneous abortions.) Unfortunately, MGN-3 is very expensive, about $100 per month for 4 capsules a day, though 2 capsules a day is probably all most people need at $50 per month and that is more reasonable.....being sick is very expensive!! I don't think the candida can mutate to build a resistance to natural killer cells, so the MGN-3 has that advantage over other anti-candida remedies. You never hear about MGN-3 as a candida remedy, probably because it is so expensive so most people don't try it. But for anyone out there who is not having progress with the other candida remedies, this might be an answer for you. MGN-3 is completely non-toxic, and is made from rice bran extract.

For those of you who are dealing with systemic candida, all I can say is it is VERY slow going, but it is worth it. My GI symptoms have improved dramatically. And many other symptoms have improved, too, including PMS, sensitivities to supplements, and more. But all of these improvements occured very gradually over several months. I am still debilitated by severe fatigue and only have about 3 hours of energy a day, but don't have that sick "flu-like" feeling all day as I did before. I am very hopeful my energy will come back after I completely overcome the systemic candida. It can take a long time to get rid of candida. Many people try the anti-candida program for a month or two and have the die-off symptoms and think they are not getting any better and give up. But don't give up; It took years to get you to the point where you have systemic candida, and so it may take many months, maybe even a year or two to fully overcome the candida depending on how severe a case you have. So I hope you stay with the program!! I will give an update as I progress. Hope this helps anyone who is dealing with severe systemic candida and severe chronic fatigue syndrome.

If anyone else tried MGN-3 for candida and has success with it, please share it with the BB.

NancyN



Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial

Posted by Steve on October 17, 2003 at 14:44:07:

In Reply to: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial posted by NancyN on October 17, 2003 at 14:09:19:

NancyN, You have also helped those of us that don't have candida through your courage..Keep up the good work..Silver Fox!



Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial

Posted by Dahlimama on October 17, 2003 at 15:02:31:

In Reply to: Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial posted by Steve on October 17, 2003 at 14:44:07:

Intresting, I am having similiar results with Transfer Factor also an immune booster. It has made a world of difference for me.

Dahlimama



Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial; transfer factor

Posted by NancyN on October 17, 2003 at 16:43:01:

In Reply to: Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial posted by Dahlimama on October 17, 2003 at 15:02:31:

Dahlimama,

Thank you for your post. That is interesting. Never really knew what transfer factor was, but I just did a search and found this study (see below) on transfer factor and candida. Apparently transfer factor makes the existing natural killer cells more effective at fighting candida. I wonder how they work if taken together (MGN-3 and transfer factor)? .... Might be overkill. Here is info re the transfer factor/candida study:

"In a study presented at the 10th International Symposium on Transfer Factor1, Italian Researchers from the University of Bologna (Italy) tested two transfer factor (TF) preparations on 15 patients suffering from chronic mucocutaneous Candidiasis. The first preparation was an in vitro produced transfer factor specific to Candida albicans antigens, and the second included TF extracted from pooled buffy coats of blood donors. The researchers assessed cell-mediated immunity (CMI) of each patient using the leukocyte migration inhibition test (LMT) and lymphocyte stimulation test (LST). The aim of the study was to evaluate transfer factor treatment and the incidence of positive tests before, during, and after therapy.

"Eighty-seven LMT evaluations were performed for each antigen dose, and researchers found 58.9% (33/56) of the tests were positive during non-treatment or non-specific transfer factor treatment, while 83.9% (26/31) were positive during specific transfer factor treatment. Only during specific TF treatment was a significant increase of reactivity against the Candida antigen noticed, when compared with the period of non-specific treatment. Clinical observations were also encouraging as all but one patient experienced significant improvement during treatment with specific TF. The researchers concluded orally administered specific TF increases the incidence of reactivity against Candida antigens."

Reference:

1. Masi, M., De Vinci, C., Baricordi, O.R. “Transfer factor in chronic mucocutaneous candidiasis.” Biotherapy. 1996; 9(1-3)97-103.




Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial

Posted by NancyN on October 17, 2003 at 16:45:09:

In Reply to: Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial posted by Steve on October 17, 2003 at 14:44:07:

Steve,

Thank you for your kind and supportive words. Very much appreciated. :o)

NancyN

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Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial

Posted by NancyN on October 17, 2003 at 16:45:14:

In Reply to: Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial posted by Steve on October 17, 2003 at 14:44:07:

Steve,

Thank you for your kind and supportive words. Very much appreciated. :o)

NancyN

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Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial Another option?

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 18, 2003 at 08:14:45:

In Reply to: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial posted by NancyN on October 17, 2003 at 14:09:19:

Thanks, NancyN.

Do you know what the letters stand for (MGN)?

I would be interested in looking into it.

Keep up the good work!

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial Another option?

Posted by NancyN on October 18, 2003 at 12:36:33:

In Reply to: Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial Another option? posted by Walt Stoll on October 18, 2003 at 08:14:45:

Thank you, Dr. Stoll,

I can't find any explanation on the web for what the letters MGN stand for. The best explanations I can find as to what MGN is this:

MGN3 is a patented “arabinoxylan” from rice bran treated with (Shitake) mushroom ..... MGN3 is NOT a mushroom supplement. It is polysaccharides that contain /3 -1.4 xylopyramose hemicellulose. Developed in Japan, MGN-3 was offered by Daiwa Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd. Tokyo, Japan.

Actually, after reading more on the web, it seems that MGN-3 makes the existing natural killer cells function better (rather than increasing the numbers of natural killer cells), just as transfer factor does, but they seem to do so by different mechanisms.

Click here for more info on MGN-3. Also, this site also has a page for several published research studies on MGN-3 for cancer, AIDS, and chronic fatigue syndrome which can be viewed at this address: http://www.publishedresearch.com/MGN3/MGN3.html

NancyN



Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial Another option?

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 19, 2003 at 08:27:32:

In Reply to: Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial Another option? posted by NancyN on October 18, 2003 at 12:36:33:

Thanks, Nancy N.

If I can find these articles, I think it is amazing that AIDS researchers are not recommending this for all their AIDS patients--even all HIV positive people. Non-toxic and relatively inexpensive, it's only real drawback is that it would not require a prescription and thus would bypass the allopathic monopoly! Of course it would be embarrassing for the allopaths to admit that something nutritional might help anyone--after fighting against that concept for nearly 100 years.

Walt



Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial; transfer factor

Posted by Dahlimama on October 19, 2003 at 08:45:40:

In Reply to: Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial; transfer factor posted by NancyN on October 17, 2003 at 16:43:01:

Thanks Nancy...I had the same thought regarding the use of both products. I'm also wondering about Moducare have you looked into to that?

All I know is that since concentrating on the immune system I have seen dramatic changes.


Good Luck, Dahlimama




Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial; transfer factor

Posted by NancyN on October 19, 2003 at 22:11:39:

In Reply to: Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial; transfer factor posted by Dahlimama on October 19, 2003 at 08:45:40:

Hi Dahlimama,

I haven't heard of Moducare, but will check it out. I am already dealing with the candida die-off symptoms, which get less each day, and plan on increasing the MGN3 as I become able to tolerate more. Then if I can, I may add in the transfer factor. I think I'll talk to my immunologist about it, and see what he says. I'll also ask him about the Moducare. He specializes in AIDS and so knows a lot about the immune system. He is the one who recommended the MGN3. He also feels chronic fatigue syndrome is an immune dysfunction, and I'm now thinking that he is right.

Do you mind sharing with me what your main symptoms are, and how long you've been on the transfer factor, and how much improvement you've had? On a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being totally debilitated, and 10 feeling 100%), how bad were you, and where are you at right now? I think you're right, focusing on the immune system seems to be the way to go.

Thanks for your feedback,

NancyN

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Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial Another option?

Posted by NancyN on October 19, 2003 at 22:22:36:

In Reply to: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial Another option? posted by Walt Stoll on October 19, 2003 at 08:27:32:

Dr. Stoll,

My immunologist actually recommended the MGN3, but it took me years with this illness to find doctor who even had an inkling as to how to treat chronic fatigue syndrome. My primary physician practices complementary medicine, but mainly uses only natural supplements to treat her patients. And my immunologist, who specializes in AIDS, was the one who recommended the MGN3. These doctors are definitely exceptions to the allopathic monopoly that does exist. Hopefully in time more doctors will hear of these natural remedies and the success that people like me are having with them.

Thank you always for your help,

NancyN



Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial Another option?

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 20, 2003 at 07:45:09:

In Reply to: Re: Having Success with MGN-3 for Candida - testimonial Another option? posted by NancyN on October 19, 2003 at 22:22:36:

Congratulations, NancyN, for finding the advanced physicians.

Amen!

Walt

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