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Nystatin or Diflucan?

Posted by Ann on November 04, 1999 at 13:56:47:

I have a major yeast problem. All the way up to my throat. I was on antibiotics for 6 months for Lyme Tick Disease. My M.D. wants me to go on Diflucan my Naturpath says it can harm my liver more and I should try Nystatin. My M.D. says Nystatin does not work. Help!



Re: Nystatin or Diflucan?(same question)

Posted by
Rob Roy on November 04, 1999 at 18:58:23:

In Reply to: Nystatin or Diflucan? posted by Ann on November 04, 1999 at 13:56:47:

Ann,

I'm glad you asked this question since I was going to anyway. I have LGS, hiatal hernia, psoriasis, etc., and my next step will be to deal with candida. According to the information I've seen in the archives(sp?) candida and possibly parasites go hand in hand with above.

Anyways, the archives indicate that nystatin is safer than diflucan. However, it is noted (by Robert M. believe) that Diflucan does work better than nystatin. I believe that it has also been noted that acidopholous(sp?) is also necessary during a course of either of the above, however, I'm not certain of that?

I guess my question is how much better does diflucan work than nystatin, and how much more of a risk is it?

Doug



Check book Worst Pills, Best Pills

Posted by Ann B on November 05, 1999 at 01:18:53:

In Reply to: Re: Nystatin or Diflucan?(same question) posted by Rob Roy on November 04, 1999 at 18:58:23:

You can find this book in most public libraries. Bet after you read it you'll choose Nystatin over Diflucan! Bet your doctor said Nystatin 'worked' before Diflucan came along. Bet your doctor will tell patients Diflucan doesn't 'work' when it's out of patent and no longer being pushed and some new drug is being pushed.



More detail

Posted by Ann B on November 05, 1999 at 11:34:39:

In Reply to: Re: Nystatin or Diflucan?(same question) posted by Rob Roy on November 04, 1999 at 18:58:23:

Too tired last night when I wrote previous message to copy out details, so here goes: "Warning: Diflucan has been associated with serious liver toxicity, including deaths." Worst Pills, Best Pills considers it appropriate to use Diflucan for "severe fungal infections, such as meningitis and infections of the mouth or esophagus. Often these infections occur when another condition, such as cancer, organ transplant, or HIV infection, reduces your immunity to infections." "Call your doctor immediately if you experience: unusual bleeding or bruising; abdominal pain, esp on right side under ribs; fever, chills and sore throat; seizures; yellowing of eyes or skin; reddened, blistering, itching or peeling skin or mucous membranes; dark, amber urine,..." Enough? Diflucan does work faster than Nystatin, but is it worth it?



Re: More detail

Posted by
Rob Roy on November 05, 1999 at 16:02:38:

In Reply to: More detail posted by Ann B on November 05, 1999 at 11:34:39:

Ann B.,
I can't thank you enough for the info. I would never have second guessed the use of diflucan without it. Once again, thanks.

Doug (rob roy)



Re: Nystatin or Diflucan? (big sigh)

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 05, 1999 at 21:43:08:

In Reply to: Nystatin or Diflucan? posted by Ann on November 04, 1999 at 13:56:47:

Hi, Ann.

You could not have candida unless you first have LGS with dysbiosis. If your doc says "Nystatin doesn't work." it simply means that he has no concept of LGS or dysbiosis. It also means that he has never used pure Nystatin Powder. He is still using sugar coated tablets which, by their very definition do not start working until the most common reservoir of candida (mouth, throat and esophagus) have been bypassed.

Another pet peeve of mine is why any doc would order Diflucan when it is the same thing as Nizoral (except for the fact that Diflucan costs many times as much).

FIRST, you have to deal with the LGS and dysbiosis. THEN, you have to live by Beth Loiselle, RD's book and use Nystatin powder correctly. Many docs don't even know that TOPICAL Nystatin powder is NOT what we are talking about here.

Walt



LGS with dysbiosis

Posted by
Sue P. on November 06, 1999 at 12:22:21:

In Reply to: Re: Nystatin or Diflucan? (big sigh) posted by Walt Stoll on November 05, 1999 at 21:43:08:

Dr. Stoll,

I have multiple food allergies: mold (big time), gluten, soy and milk, and citris fruits. I also get very sore and sick eating sugar.

My GP and allergist don't seem to be able to help me much. However, my allergist did uncover the mold and my GP has given me nystatin tablets (well, she's doing what she knows).

So, I have been reading your book and your bulletin board for about two months. I am assuming I have LGS. I have eliminated all sugar from my diet. I'm on the whole food plan called Potatoes not Prozac. I excercise three times I week. I practice TM 20 minutes morning and evening. I do feel good if I eat absolutely no sugar, refined carbohydrates and none of my allergy foods.

Now, you write that LSG goes with "dysbiosis." Yikes, what is that? Is there something else I need to know,do?

Sue P.



Re: LGS with dysbiosis NUGGET!

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 07, 1999 at 11:00:55:

In Reply to: LGS with dysbiosis posted by Sue P. on November 06, 1999 at 12:22:21:

Hi, Sue.

Congratulations on how far you have come already.

Some points that will help:

First, go to the homepage and read the article about "Sugar vs Refined Carbohydrates". Unless you are free of refined carbohydrates, your sugar effort will be much less effective and your withdrawal symptoms much more. Remember, Nystatin Tablets are coated in sugar.

There are about 500+ varieties of normal bacteria in the gut that work together to create an environment that discourages all kinds of pathogenic bacteria and parasites (of which candida is just one). An imbalance of that ecology is called dysbiosis. ALL people with LGS will eventually get dysbiosis and then eventually get parasitosis. Once they get to this stage they all will have environmental sensitivities (of which food is just the easiest to deal with).

Hope this is making sense to you.

How did you check out your TM to be sure you are in the 49% of TMers who are actually reaching the "relaxation response" we have been talking about?

Walt




Re: LGS with dysbiosis NUGGET!

Posted by
Sue P. on November 07, 1999 at 20:09:14:

In Reply to: Re: LGS with dysbiosis NUGGET! posted by Walt Stoll on November 07, 1999 at 11:00:55:

Thanks Dr. Stoll.

I've been doing my homework as you suggest, and biofeedback is on my list. I made a matrix with that has my "symptoms" then my "tentative diagnosis" then "what science can tell me,(scientific diagnosis)" then "treatment" and then "follow up on treatment" across the top--across the top row and then filled in the column. I think this exercise would be very helpful to newbies.

My health had gone to hell in handbasket after the age of 30. I had gained 132 lbs. between the ages of 30 and 46. But I'm turning that around now.

All this is prelude to telling you that biofeedback isn't on the top of my list. Should it be? All the following steps are *time consuming.*

Step number 1 (below) took two months!!! After all, I live in mid-Michigan, not exactly a progressive place. Here are my priorities:

1. Find a doctor (which I think I did just this weekend!) who can actually diagnose and treat candida and LGS. He is an allergist who *I believe* is a clinical ecologist.

2. Learn applied kinesiology. Or see a kinesiologist/acupunturist about allergies. Or learn about dynamometers (see Rocket Jim, I've been reading your stuff too!) I had something yesterday that shot my whole day. I feel this is important!

3. Get my estrified vitamin C.

4. Biofeedback.

5. Read Dr. Stoll's long list of books. LOL

In case you are curious, here are my symptoms as of April, 1999.

1. Night sweats,
2. Insomnia,
3. Passing gallstones,
4. Gastroesophageal reflux,
5. Heel spurs and plantar flasciitis,
6. Asthma,
7. Gagging and throwing up food unexpectedly,
8. Arthritic feeling in my hip,
9. Pimples (?) on my scalp, (donít know what they were, but doc was treating them with elocon)
10. aching legs,
11. tired all day long,
12. yawning whether I tired or not,
13. Constant sweets craving,
14. Weighed 132 more on 46th birthday than on 30th birthday
15. PMS that started out a couple days a months and became all month long. LOL

Symptoms as of November 1999:
1. Numbers 1-13 GONE! Amazing. If I ever win the lottery (which I will never do, because I don't enter them), I am going to give you $100 thousand of it and Kathleen DesMaison's $100 thousand for all you've done for me. But my husband and daughter thank you!
2. Crash and burn from allergies about once every three days
3. Still PMS a few days before menstration
4. Weight *only* 100 lbs. more than on my 30th birthday.

I will review your "refined carbohydrates" article. That is the hardest part for me *because* wheat makes me crazy, weak, and my ears blow up with mucus when I eat it, so occassionally I let myself have a piece of plain old white bread. The immediate result is much nicer than the whole wheat stuff.

Does it sound like I am following the right course?

Sue P.

What is a NUGGET?



Re: LGS with dysbiosis NUGGET! [Testimonial!]

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 08, 1999 at 11:03:02:

In Reply to: Re: LGS with dysbiosis NUGGET! posted by Sue P. on November 07, 1999 at 20:09:14:

Hi, Sue.

Congratulations on your progress to date.

The SR needs to be at the top of your list. If biofeedback is the way to be CERTAIN of its effectiveness, then IT needs to be at the top of your list. Once you have this nailed down, you will have plenty of time to read all those books.

NUGGET is for RocketHealer Jim's benefit and, through him, for the benefit of everyone who lurks this BB. He uses this as a sign that he needs to enter it in his wonderful glossary or in more appropriate places for people to understand concepts.

Walt



Re: LGS with dysbiosis NUGGET! [Testimonial!]

Posted by
Sue P. on November 08, 1999 at 20:54:14:

In Reply to: Re: LGS with dysbiosis NUGGET! [Testimonial!] posted by Walt Stoll on November 08, 1999 at 11:03:02:

Thank you. I'll follow your advise and get back to you. Sue P.



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